Albert Penello Done Explaining Xbox One Architecture Benefits

But in a sporting, cooperative way.

Posted By | On 16th, Sep. 2013 Under News


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Over the past several months, Albert Penello, who leads planning for Xbox One, Xbox 360 and Kinect for Microsoft, has been facing an uphill task. It was first with the comments he made in regards to the power of both the PS4 and Xbox One being irrelevant, and how the games were more important. Then events took another turn when an ex-People May Fly developer talked about how the PS4 was more powerful, leading to Penello famously stating that he had never heard of them, despite Gears of War: Judgment (exclusive to the Xbox 360).

Responding to a user on NeoGAF (on a thread regarding EDGE’s recent article about the PS4 being more powerful according to various developers) who stated that “we will get nothing from Albert again concerning numbers” and “Prepare to have none of your questions answered. That may be a good thing but embarrassing for Albert”, Penello stated that, “If you go back an look at my posts during the big numbers debate, I said as much. I fully admitted that, since people had asked, I went to the engineering team to provide more detail on the numbers.

“You will see more from us on the numbers and explaining things we’ve done with AMD. You won’t see more from *me* on this – but I said that part already – hence why I’m not jumping in to the debate again. I’d like to, believe me, but learned my lesson on that. This type of info needs to come directly from the architects.

“I will continue (and did today) answer questions about the platform where I can. But I’m tapping out on this one for now!”

Which begs the question: Will being more powerful effect either console’s chance of success when the PS4 releases on November 15th in North America and November 29th in Europe and the Xbox One launches worldwide on November 22nd.


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  • Jabba

    IF PS4 really powerful enough, then why some Sony-sided developers and fangirls are still concern about the XB1 hardware?? 🙂

    • jukka

      Lol….you know the self esteem in pauperstation dorks have been very low ever since the PS brand going downhill from PS1/PS2 era. Thanks to other new brands like Apple, Samsung, etc. in the game industry, Sony wouldn’t be able to monopolize it. Alternatives are good for competition.

    • cozomel

      Its you Xbots that have low self esteem, trying to defend the X1’s weaker specs hard! Whatever makes you’s feel better. And p.s. Killzone’s single player ,ode sh*ts all over everything on X1.

      720p Killer Instinct, Titanfall not confirmed to run at 60fps on X1, Forza with last gen smoke and mirrors effects to achieve 1080/60fps, Ryse and Dead Rising 3 struggling to keep a sustain 30fps. Yeah Sony devs should be worried. The system can barely run its games

    • Jim Neerland

      Or insecure Sony fans trying to belittle the competition to make themselves feel important? You want to jerk off to specs? Go buy a PC

    • Matthew Bryant

      Because power never makes a difference when it comes to games right? Look, I don’t care if you want to buy a Xbox One over a PS4. You’re more than entitled to do so. Nobody is forcing you to buy a PS4 and nobody is trying to pretend you won’t enjoy your Xbox One. Stop pretending that power doesn’t give developers more potential to make better games though. That’s just blatant denial. More power is good. It’s never bad when it comes to game consoles. Ever. That doesn’t mean the power will always be used well, and it doesn’t assure the console will get amazing games. Still, if the console has more power then it has the potential to have better games. That’s just reality.

    • Gavin

      Hey, quick question: does reality exist?

    • Matthew Bryant

      Special.

    • Jim Neerland

      I never said power was a bad thing, but the constant “50% moar!” thing is misleading and was clarified by that same dev. Listen, I know the PS4 is more powerful and I’m fine with that, as I really don’t think it will lead to much in the next couple years. 4+ years we’ll start to see a difference imo, but the world of technology is a fast paced, evolving beast. Maybe the cloud will make big difference, maybe Google fiber will be mere relevant and available to help support it, we don’t know. Simply saying one console is more powerful now, doesn’t really say a lot for the future of this next gen. It definitely would’ve if we were still stuck in 2005 however.

    • Matthew Bryant

      That developer never said 50% more. He stated that all the developers he knows have stated 50% more. Furthermore, other developers came out and said 50% more in the Edge Magazine article. The hardware alone puts the PS4 at 30-40% more powerful. So the idea that the PS4 could have an extra 10% advantage in the API isn’t overly surprising. Multiple developers in the past have stated that the PS4’s IDE and API are more developed than Microsoft’s. The Edge Magazine article states that this is still true. You can cast doubt on the Edge Magazine article because of its anonymity if you’d like, but I have no idea why they’d lie and risk their good name. They’re an incredibly well known publication in the video game industry. They aren’t known for spreading FUD.

      So is it possible that it’s really 30% or 40% instead of 50%? Sure. However, all of the developers who have used an actual number have said 50%. Until I hear otherwise, I’m guessing 50% is the number to go with. They’d know better than I would.

      The only way the Cloud will become relevant for graphics is if the average bandwidth increases from 2 MB/s to around 200 MB/s. Then it’ll make a 5-10% difference. That won’t happen. NVidia even stated that cloud computing for graphic use is not plausible in the forseeable future after doing extensive research on it. That’s a dead end argument right there.

    • Chris Sanchez

      You’re ridiculous buddy, just like this stupid spec war. PS4’s 1.8Tflops is barely mid range hardware. We’ll reach over 5Tflops in 2014 with new AMD GPU’s. PS4 is 0.40Tflops more powerful and you fools jubilate over that ? Don’t you see the difference is ridiculous ? Whatever the outcome of this stupid “war”, PC will trash next-gen consoles in a few months. Xbox One and PS4 games will be identical, except a few exclusives in 5-6 years, so you guys can masturbate on a few bade of grass. *facepalm*

    • todd Wright

      exclusives exclusives exclusives exclusives SHUT THE FUCK UP they make games people dont want to play.

    • Yldefonso Then

      You fools have being belittled for quite too long, at least we don’t mimic company executives words, believe in everything they say, bought 6 Halos, 4 Forzas, 4 Gears Of Wars, and being apologetic about RROD, and basing your version of a game being better based on vegetation, grass and trees, these delusionals are known as Xbots, these are the definition of low self steem individuals.

    • Chris Sanchez

      I think you need to relax and take deep breaths.
      It’s just video games pal, VIDEO GAMES.
      You’re quite the company man …

    • cozomel

      Pathetic! you mad bro?! cuz you seem hurt. I dont care about Sony, i just think you MS fanboys are pathetic! Losers!

    • Jim Neerland

      Insulting people must make you feel like a grown up doesn’t it? Here’s the thing, it makes you look like a child, especially using the anonymity of the internet. Seeing your comments here though you’ll probably just have some other snarky remark to blow me off. Good luck with your future purchase, life, etc etc

    • cozomel

      hm, so making a “snarky” remark means i have a bad life? Ok! Maybe its your life you should be worrying about, not mine, Im fine. And where does this nonsense come from that adults dont do “insults”?

    • cozomel

      Kid! I aint trying to “belittle the competition” to make myself feel better, Im just setting the record straight and calling it how it is. The X1 is the weaker system, deal with it. Did you hear the news of Ryse being 900p? or that Dead Rising 3 uses a dynamic resolution? (in other words, drops lower than 1080p) and the Titanfall devs wont confirm either a 1080p resolution or 60 frame per second? I dont need to put down MS or X1 to feel important. Im just tired of hearing all the stupid little fanboys spew their shit. I like facts, i like reality and im sick of all the FUD from you retards. And p.s. Im not a Sony fanboy, Im not that impressed with the PS4 either. You think a weak tablet processor or a 2nd tier laptop GPU is going to impress me? Now stop crying, cuz you sound like your hurt. Dont cry, its ok, you’ll get through this, Im sure MS will throw you Xbots a couple of bones

    • Gavin

      Are you serious? It’s a video game console and you’re getting this vitriolic? That’s pretty sad. Think about it, you’re calling people names and talking about insecurities. You must be able to see the rampant hypocrisy there. Don’t bother calling me an Xbot or whatever douche bag term you want to use because I’m a Playstation owner. Saying that kind of stuff just makes you sound like an immature little prick with nothing better to do. Go get some friends or something.

    • Matthew Bryant

      Either you didn’t read the post he replied to, or you’re a hypocrite. Either way, your reply makes no sense. Jukka was twice as rude as he was. Reality exists.

    • Gavin

      Cool dude, you get any light down there in mom and dad’s basement?

    • Matthew Bryant

      Irony is insulting someone after belittling someone else for using insults. LOL, pathetic much?

    • Yldefonso Then

      “I’m a Playstation owner” it’s so easy to say these days, it’s as easy as complaining about it, Xbot.

    • Gavin

      Cool story little buddy. Remember to be nice to mommy and daddy so they buy you a new game console in a couple months.

    • cozomel

      But spewing all the shit you just spewed doesnt make you look like a vitriolic fanboy, You better check yourself fanboy, along with all the other fanboys that agreed with you. Pathetic! mad much, fanboys?

    • Gavin

      Funny part is I’m a PS owner and fan (but I also like Xbox because I’m a video game fan unlike you). Did you conveniently ignore that? Again, you just look like a little bitch coming on a website and spouting off about a game console. Don’t you see how irrelevant you are? Check myself? I promise you that you wouldn’t say that if you weren’t able to hide behind a computer screen. But keep it coming, cupcake.

    • cozomel

      Nigga please, you dont know me, i’d say it to your face and you wouldnt do shit about it. I aint hiding behind “internet anonymity” anymore than you are. So get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. You look like a little bitch getting all bent out of shape over it. So get over it son, cuz its a lot tougher world out there than, “oh somebody hurt my feelings insulting my beloved video game company”. So you be better recognize kid, also, Im a 360 owner so whats your point?

    • Demetre HG

      Stfu troll none of your ps4 games run more then 25fps so stfu look at your console fool powerful ya right when pigs fly

    • Matthew Bryant

      You’d be right, except that all of them run at 30 or 60 FPS. Nice try though.

    • cozomel

      pathetic, how old are you? and you got 2 agrees? sad! You Xbots are a sad bunch

    • kreator

      Get a life fag!

    • cozomel

      after you “fag”

    • mydreamsofhonor

      I am owner of a xbox 360 and have a xbox live acc. I like to have Microsoft fight back with every fact at there hands. To take the time to make an one to two hour answer and question show! All questions answered the good with the bad. As for the sony fan-boys or microsoft haters the truth stop even them. Yes I want to say I have this console ( in my case Xbox one) system. Here is why it better at this and why it important. This is why it is weaker than ps4 and how much why it OK! Because the truth set you free to pick what right for you! Fact Give You A Clear Picture of what your getting? So give me the fact Please.

    • Yldefonso Then

      Shut the fuck up dumbass, at least Sony didn’t buy the name pauperstation like MS did for Xbone for being insulting, moron.

    • Gamer

      ah ok which sony devs are worried about X1 hardware?? Sony devs will make better exclusive games, both gameplay and graphics wise, that is if the PS4 is more powerful than the X1. Until both consoles are released and people have played with them, i think people should hold their judgement on which console is better or more powerful.

    • Matthew Bryant

      Can’t imagine why we should hold our judgement when we know which console has more powerful hardware. The only question is which console has a more efficient API. What we know suggests that would be the PS4 as well. Is it possible that the Xbox One is more powerful? Sure. Is it likely? Not very likely at all at this point. Microsoft have the burden of proof. They need to show us why their API can close the hardware power gap. Until they do, it’s logically sound to assume that the PS4 is more powerful.

    • Guest

      exclusives exclusives exclusives exclusives SHUT THE FUCK UP they make games people dont want to play

    • Matthew Bryant

      Funny, because all I see is a bunch of denial from the Xbox fans. We know that the PS4 has more powerful hardware. We’ve known this for months. We have no reason to believe that the Xbox One overcomes this hardware power gap in any other areas. No proof that supports this idea. So why wouldn’t the PS4 be more powerful? All information we currently have points to the most likely scenario: that the PS4 is definitely more powerful. If you want to state otherwise the burden of proof is definitely on you right now. Microsoft needs to prove that their console isn’t underpowered, because more than enough evidence has been supplied to point in the PS4’s favor. Until Microsoft refutes that evidence or counterbalances it, all logic indicates that the PS4 is more powerful. Reality exists.

    • Gavin

      Does reality exist?

    • Matthew Bryant

      It does, but apparently you like ignoring it. Are you actually going to respond to my argument? Because right now you’re just an immature troll.

    • Gavin

      The reality is that no one has a final Xbox One or PS4. Therefore, you can say whatever you want but real-world benchmarking has yet to be done. All you’re doing now is grasping at paper stats. Reality, it totally exists. That shit is existentialistic right there.

    • Matthew Bryant

      So your argument is that failing to have an actual console in our hands means that we can’t use real world comparisons of hardware with similar specs? Nonsense. We know the majority of the hardware in each console. We know the parts that make the most difference for graphic quality in games. The evidence so far is overwhelmingly in PS4’s favor. So instead of admitting that the PS4 is most likely the more powerful console, you want to completely ignore that just because we don’t have a head to head comparison? The fact that developers are showing almost every single multiplatform on either a PC or the PS4 should be a pretty good indicator of what we’re about to see. I’m not stating that it isn’t possible for the Xbox One to be more powerful, but that has yet to be proven. What we know right now is that everything else equal, the hardware makes the PS4 much more powerful than the Xbox One. I don’t care for your neutrality nonsense. This isn’t a PR show. Common sense says the PS4 is probably more powerful. Either prove otherwise, or just admit it.

    • Gavin

      Oh, I’d bet the PS4 is more powerful. Just not 50% more powerful. I think that’s just ridiculous. MSFT would’t let that happen. Sony and MS talk. To think that they kept their plans under wraps from each other is a little silly. The developers from Sony and MS went to school together, maybe worked together previously, etc. They are friends, they have beers together, they chat. MS has known what Sony was putting out there and vice versa for a long time. My only point is that until we have final versions of the hardware sitting in living rooms, we’re really just guessing and it’s getting really pointless (and clearly very amusing for me).

      MS is betting on the “full living room experience” while PS is focusing on gaming. It’s really that simple. I have a Playstation right now and I love it. I turn into Indiana Jones when I play Uncharted. Sony has the best exclusives, no doubt. I haven’t decided which to buy going forward because on one hand I’m a graphics whore and on the other I love the idea of having my cable box and gaming console integrated into one machine.

    • Matthew Bryant

      So you’d bet that developers are lying just for shits and giggles? Microsoft wouldn’t let that happen? Oh that’s a valid argument. Logic says that Microsoft wouldn’t allow their opponent’s console that they knew nothing about until February to be more powerful than their own console, so there’s no way it could possibly be true. After all, Microsoft INVENTED DIRECTX! I’ve heard the argument before. It’s wishful thinking crap. It means nothing. The PS4 can definitely be 50% more powerful. It wouldn’t be the first time we’ve seen that large of a power difference in consoles.

      Sony kept their plans under wraps from their own developers. Even Guerilla didn’t know that the PS4 would have 8 GBs of GDDR5 until the reveal. Microsoft did know the leaked information, but that was suspect. They also knew that they wanted the Xbox One to be affordable and include an improved version of Kinect. The Xbox One HAS to be less expensive, and to do that they have to make sacrifices when it comes to power. This is pretty simple logic, and I don’t know why people make such a big deal about it. Arguing that it’s just not possible that the PS4 could be 50% more powerful has no basis in logic. Yes, it is possible. Developers are stating it’s true. Prove otherwise.

      We’re not guessing. We know the hardware. There are other factors other than just the hardware, but the hardware DOES make a huge difference in potential power. You can’t make that disappear. The power difference in hardware alone is 40%. The API could definitely provide the extra 10%. It’s not that hard to believe that the PS4 is 50% more powerful.

      It is that simple. So again, it shouldn’t be surprising that the PS4 will be more powerful for gaming. So why are we still arguing about it? Especially when you just agreed with me.

      Just buy a media server, hook the PS4 and your cable box up to it, and use voice recognition through it. Problem solved.

    • Gavin

      Where have devs stated that it’s 50% more powerful? I’ve heard the story about that one guy saying something like that but then having to backtrack because what he meant was that PS4 was 50% faster when it came to developing games (per his anonymous sources). That of course isn’t the same thing as what you are saying. Is there another anonymous dev saying specifically that the PS4 has 50% more power, period?

    • Matthew Bryant

      No, he didn’t say that it was 50% faster when it comes to developing games. He said that the PS4 is 50% faster right now during development, but that it could change later on. He never backed up on his claims. He just stated that what happens at the beginning of the generation isn’t necessarily true for the entire generation. Then again, he’s a creative director and his friends are developers.

      There’s a number of anonymous developers stating that the PS4 is 50% more powerful.

      http://www.edge-online.com/news/power-struggle-the-real-differences-between-ps4-and-xbox-one-performance/

      There’s a considerable amount of detail there and quotes from different developers. They’re anonymous because they obviously don’t want to lose their jobs, but Edge isn’t exactly known for pushing rumors as fact.

    • Matthew Bryant

      “One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at ’20-something’ FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. ‘Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,’ concluded one developer.”

      That’s a pretty significant difference right there.

    • Yldefonso Then

      A Gears Of War: Judgement guy, meaning he also worked with MS, has nothing to do with Sony, moronic fool, lol.

    • kreator

      Same thoughts here!

    • AnonymUce

      Show us a link where Sony Dev are concerned about the XB1 hardware! oh wait…you don’t have one.

  • X1 All Day

    Microsoft will spill the beans soon lol, you can have great hardware but you need good code and software to run it which is why the Xbox One might perform better even though they say its “weaker” then the PS4.

    Microsoft’s version of the chip is Custom, while the ps4’s version of the same chip is off the shelf.

    • LOL X1 sucks

      LOL cell chip was custom aaand look at what it did to the PS3. besides developers have been saying that developing for the Xbox 1 is a pain in the ass. furthermore an off the shelf chip is much more easier for devs to develop on because its widely known.

    • Gavin

      I don’t really care about this console “mine is bigger than yours” crap but I would say that the customization on the PS3 chip took a long time to come to fruition but The Last of Us shows what it can do. Might be the same with X1, might not.

    • Matthew Bryant

      eSRAM is not the cell processor. There’s no way it can make that big of a difference.

    • Gavin

      You would know because you went to college and you’re a software engineer. Or you have a job directly related to the industry. Or you work for MSFT or Sony. Maybe you work for both? Oh, you also have inside information about the hardware architecture of each one. You can totally tell me what eSRAM stands for without using Google.

    • SwappingFrom360toPS4

      embedded static random access memory =)

      and eSRAM is not a GPU, it does not produce graphics. lmao.

    • Gavin

      Looks like MattyB doesn’t have to use Google anymore thanks to you. I wasn’t referring to what role eSRAM may or may not have in producing graphics (I didn’t even mention it). I was just stating that the Cell took a long time to master in terms of programming but, once it was mature, it showed what it could do with TLOU. Therefore, difficulty in development is a short-term issue and may not be down the road. Bottom line is that we don’t know right now.

    • Matthew Bryant

      More than likely the eSRAM will be used for “free” AA just like it was in the 360. Of course, 32 MBs isn’t large enough to hold a 1080p image, just like 10 MBs wasn’t large enough to hold a 720p image, so developers will have to tile the image (basically split it into parts). The developers then perform AA on each smaller image, piece the images back together through the GPU, and then send out the final image to be displayed. The real issue is that this doesn’t equate to free AA. The image takes up storage space in RAM (though a fairly small amount) and uses GPU resources to juxtapose (I love that word) the final image together. It isn’t very expensive, but it’s no longer free.

      Developers also hate tiling. It’s a pain. In fact when the 360 first released many developers either didn’t use the eDRAM at all or made the native resolution 640p or below (Halo 3 for instance) to allow the full image to be placed in eDRAM. Microsoft is making tiling easier with DirectX 11.2 for Xbox One apparently, but it’s not currently available and it’s questionable how much easier it will become. Regardless, eSRAM is not a huge part of the console like the cell processor was for the PS3. It’s only a 32 MB cache. It can only store and transfer 32 MBs of data at a time (well 64 MBs out and then in during certain cycles apparently). It won’t be capable of holding much data for graphical tasks.

      There’s a reason why modern video cards have 2-4 GBs of GDDR5 RAM. It’s not because 32 MBs is enough. 32 MBs is a lot of cache and will help tremendously at reducing redundancy on the CPU side of things (that’s assuming it’s an automated cache, which is still up for debate), but graphically we’re unlikely to see anything other than “free” AA. It’s just not big enough to do anything worth doing. Graphic work requires a lot of RAM. HD textures are not small. The eSRAM in the Xbox One is far too small for that.

    • Matthew Bryant

      I actually did go to college for computer engineering and I do have a degree. I’m proficient in 4 languages, not including my proficiency in web development. So yeah, I would know. 32 MBs is not 8 GBs. It’s not a difficult concept. The eSRAM is far too small to make up for the bandwidth difference in DDR3 and GDDR5, not to mention that GDDR5 is actually considerably faster at sending data one way than eSRAM. Microsoft claims that they can send data both ways during certain cycles, but they didn’t clarify how often those certain cycles occur, and even during those certain cycles their bandwidth only increases to about 15% more than GDDR5. Again, comparing 32 MBs of RAM that is at most 15% faster than 8 GBs of RAM won’t get you very far. At all. eSRAM is not the savior of DDR3 that you want it to be. It’s a cache. It won’t fix DDR3’s bandwidth issues. The difference will show in areas like texture streaming, LOD, and reflections. PS4 versions will look better if developers decide to use the extra bandwidth.

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    • Matthew Bryant

      Not to mention that arguing that Microsoft “might” have a better API and a more efficient OS is a useless argument without any proof to back it up. We KNOW that the PS4 has more powerful hardware. We don’t know that the Xbox One has a better API (in fact developer sources seem to indicate the opposite). So all evidence points to the PS4 being more powerful right now. Burden of proof rests on you. You can’t simply state “Well, the Xbox One COULD be more powerful, so therefore the PS4 hardware doesn’t matter.” That’s a load of crap. Prove it or stop talking.

    • Gavin

      Because reality exists.

  • SwappingFrom360toPS4

    I can’t wait for both systems to release… so that a real comparison of the PS4 & Xbone can be done… and shut up all the fanboys!

    We all know which console is going to have the better performance. It is only a matter of time before it can be 100% proven.

    • Matthew Bryant

      We do know, denial is a powerful drug though.

    • jcatups

      Was the PS3 as powerful as they said it would be?

  • Sheldon Prescott

    From what I’ve seen and read, even though PS4 is more powerful, it wont lead to drastic differences in graphics between the two consoles. It might, but I doubt it. I guess we should wait until the consoles launch huh?

    • jdp12

      50% is pretty huge, we’ll start to see differences in 2014/2015 third party titles imo.

    • Gavin

      That would be if 50% was the right number. It’s not.

    • Matthew Bryant

      Your post might be relevant if you were another developer. Of course, you’re not. So you have no idea what the right number is.

    • Gavin

      I’m such an idiot! I forgot that reality exists!!!

    • Matthew Bryant

      The first half of your post is correct.

    • Steven P. Henry

      that 50% referred to one very specific memory function not the over all power. the article went on to say that in a different very specific memory function the x-1 was faster. It was just a statement taken out of context to get people whipped up.

    • Matthew Bryant

      No, 50% WAS the over all power. You’re pretending that the PS4 doesn’t have a much more powerful GPU, a better API, and a better coprocessor according to the article. It DOES have all of those things. Apparently you need to read the article again.

      Besides, the only real advantage that you’ll see from DDR3 instead of GDDR5 is in multitasking, as GDDR5 can easily keep up with 60 FPS and that’s all that matters for games. So the Xbox One will be better at switching between apps, while the PS4 will have better looking games. My choice is better looking games. It’s why I’m buying a PS4 in the first place. Feel free to choose faster multitasking if you’d like.

    • Gavin

      And that’s based in reality! I love reality because it exists!

    • Steven P. Henry

      You have no Ida what you are talking about. They are both use an x86 chip. Sony’s is off the shelf MS had theirs optimised for their platform. The 50% referee to a specific RAM function. Not to mention the X-1 will use direct X11.2 and ps4 will use 11.1. So X-1 will be able to stream high fez textures and mapping from the cloud. Not even an option for ps4. And yes I will want faster multitasking when I snap a game guide to half the screen. And am able to watch it and play at the same time, or skype and play at the same time. Again ps4 does not have those options. If you want to get your self off to hardware specs buy a gaming PC cuz it will blow both systems out of the water. I want the console that will have the most functions on my Tv. And that’s X-1 end of story.

    • Steven P. Henry

      Mobile post loads of auto correct…..lol. my point remains.

    • Jim Neerland

      You may want to read the update from that same dev who said it was 50% faster…
      http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=672097

    • Matthew Bryant

      You might want to read the Edge article from multiple developers who all said it was 50% faster.

    • Jim Neerland

      Ugh I’m done arguing specs its pointless, buy the console with the games that look the best to you, buy it for specs if you really feel that’s what you care about, buy it for the online infrastructure, XBL vs PSN, whatever. I’m just sick of being told the X1 is a waste of money because of a power difference. Like the same dev said, if you think one game is going to have a huge lead over another because of this, those people are delusional. Enjoy whatever console you purchase for the reasons you chose that console. Period.

    • Matthew Bryant

      Specs aren’t the only thing I care about. I’d still probably buy a PS4 if it had worse specs because I love Sony exclusives. I also love JRPGs and we both know Xbox One isn’t likely to get many of those. I’m not a big online shooter fan, and Microsoft seems to really push that genre in their exclusives. So the decision for me is pretty obvious.

      That being said, power is a very real reason to prefer one console over another. It’s not the only reason, but it definitely is a factor in which console a lot of people may or may not choose. Downplaying power and pretending it will never make a difference is just nonsense. Nintendo did the same thing with the Wii U and all the Nintendo fans came out and yelled about how power doesn’t matter. Well, obviously it does. Core gamers DO care about power. Nintendo found that out the hard way. Granted lack of exclusives and third party support doesn’t help either, but the Wii U is terribly underpowered compared to the PS4 and Xbox One. If Xbox One really is 50% less powerful, then it will make a different in which console gamers buy. You know that, so I’m not sure why you’re pretending it doesn’t matter. It does matter. More power = more potential. If developers have more power to make better games, that’s a win-win situation. I can’t imagine why you’d argue that more power is a bad thing. Power does matter. Let’s stop pretending it won’t ever make a difference. Of course it does.

      One game can easily have a huge difference over another because of power. I also think that developer was a little delusional himself. Stating that the PS3 was the less powerful console, even if he did amend it. It’s pretty much common knowledge that the PS3 was more powerful overall, but that it was much more difficult to develop for. The 50% comments were made by his friends though, not him. He’s also a creative director, not a developer. The Edge article also has nothing to do with him. So we’re gong back to the same argument and completely ignoring the Edge Magazine article.

      Anyway, power obviously isn’t everything, but it can make a difference and often does. You can’t honestly believe otherwise. The Last of Us proves that.

    • Matthew Bryant

      By the way, I’d never argue that the Xbox One is a waste of money. It’s obviously not a waste of money and both consoles offer a different experience for different demographics. If you’re more interested in the experience the Xbox One provides, then buy a Xbox One. I don’t think that it’s an inferior console. I just think it’s almost definitely a less powerful console. That doesn’t make it bad. It just makes it less powerful. Buy what you want to buy, stop worrying about what other people think. I would never pretend that either console is inherently better than the other. That’s all opinion. However, pretending that power doesn’t make a difference is nonsense. It does make a difference. That doesn’t mean it will make the value of one console inherently more than its competitor for all people, but it does make a difference. So just buy what you like and let real life happen. ^^

    • Matthew Bryant

      Third party developers are already stating that one version of their game will look better than the other. I’m sure you can guess which version that is. Besides, the PS3 is not 50% more powerful than the Xbox 360 and The Last of Us is a HUGE difference between the two consoles. What do you expect to happen on the PS4? It will make a difference. More power = more potential, and Sony definitely has the developers to take advantage of it.

    • Gavin

      REALITY! IT EXISTS!

    • SwappingFrom360toPS4

      Here is 1 to back you up =)

      “I think we’re going to have both those consoles pretty much on parity – maybe one sticking up a little bit. And I think that one will look as good as the PC.” – Need for speed Rivals Developer.

      Although it’s fairly generalized…
      it is about best we can get until all the developers Non-Disclosure Agreements expire, and can speak specifically on the topic =)

    • Matthew Bryant

      DICE is another. In fact developer after developer at DICE came right out and said that the PS4 is the console to buy next generation.

    • Gavin

      “Both consoles pretty much on parity”… “MAYBE one sticking up A LITTLE BIT”… yup, sounds like the PS4 has 50% more power. Dude, just go tug at mommy’s ankles and make her take you to Walmart in November so she can buy you a PS4. It’s really cute you think you’re changing the world by shouting at the top of your lungs about the PS4 and how amazing it is (it’s just a game console right, does it cure cancer now?) but you aren’t. I’m just trolling you because I think it’s hilarious. I really don’t give two shits about Xbox or PS.

    • Matthew Bryant

      “And I think that one will look as good as the PC.”

      You missed the key quote. I’m sure it was on accident.

      No, you’re trolling me because you’re immature. Your idea of refuting arguments is throwing around insults. Way to go kid. I enjoy debating, so I do it. You apparently enjoy insulting people because you never got over the elementary school mentality. Good for you. Act like you’re 10 on the internet as much as you want. You’re a great example of how to look like an idiot. I’ll be sure to show my kids when they’re old enough to read it. Don’t be like this person. People will just think you’re special. 😉

    • Gavin

      So, simple reasoning would dictate that the Xbox One would look ALMOST as good as a PC? That’s pretty impressive for such an inferior piece of hardware. Most people would be good with that.

      Again you can read my other posts because I’m not a fanboy of either console, I just think it’s a little ridiculous at the level this has gotten to. You like PS4? Cool man, get it and enjoy. I haven’t decided on which one to buy yet because I see plusses and minuses for both. Better graphics/developers/exclusives on the PS4 but a better controller and better entertainment integration with the XBox One.

    • Matthew Bryant

      What is almost as good as PC? Does that mean a framerate difference? Does that mean lower quality textures? Does that mean a lower resolution? If there is a noticeable difference between the two, people will notice it. Besides, Infamous Second Son blows away the visuals of every other title we’ve seen except for Destiny and the Division which have only been shown on the PS4. Some Xbox One titles honestly look pretty terrible for next gen, Dead Rising 3 for instance. I’m honestly not impressed with the Xbox One graphically. I’ve seen nothing on their platform that’s truly impressed other than Ryse, and Ryse is cookie cutter to the extreme. They reuse textures and models like they’re going out of style.

    • Gavin

      Then what exactly does 50% “more powerful” mean? 50% more FPS? 50% higher resolution?

      To your second point, I’m not impressed with either console to be honest. Neither one has truly “blown me away,” not even Infamous (which I don’t think is the prettiest next-gen game anyway). Ryse is the prettiest I’ve seen so far but I’ll agree that it’s cookie-cutter and the game play looks like shit (typical Crytek).

    • Matthew Bryant

      It means the hardware can process 50% more instructions in the same amount of time. That’s what it means. That obviously can translate to more FPS, a higher resolution, more effects, etc. It means nothing by itself, it just increases the potential that developers have to work with. Framerate, graphics effects, and resolution can all be increased more on the console with more power. That doesn’t mean you’re going to see 50% more FPS in one version, or a higher resolution, or better effects. Most likely you’ll see better lighting, LOD, textures, etc. on the PS4 version. You might not see any difference at all in some games. However, the potential to make a game look better exists. That’s the difference.

      Ryse looks fantasy pretty, but the effects are pretty underwhelming and the only reason it looks as good as it does is because every model looks the same which saves tremendously on resources when rendering and placing textures. It also brings us back to PS2 days in development practice. There’s a reason why most developers gave up graphic quality for variety in games. It was a huge step forward in this generation over last generation. It makes the world much more believable and the game much more immersive.

    • Gavin

      Grasping at straws. You probably still think PS4 supports hUMA and XB1 doesn’t.

    • Matthew Bryant

      They both support it to a degree. Xbox One does support it less out of necessity because of the eSRAM. What difference that will make is anyone’s guess. The PS4 is still likely more powerful than the Xbox One. I don’t see why that’s such a problem, or why you care so much. It’s probably more powerful. Why is that such a big deal?

    • Gavin

      I think I have already said I would bet the PS4 is more powerful. It’s really not a big deal. I’m not trying to defend either console, I’m still on the fence as to which one I’ll get. I’m just willing to bet the 50% number is total BS and the reality that we’ll see in terms of difference is 10%-15%. I’d argue that nothing on either console is even 10% better in terms of graphical fidelity/quality. Frankly, they are both underwhelming.

    • Matthew Bryant

      Destiny did not look underwhelming. Not in the slightest.

  • wordsworth

    no it won’t-didn’t last time-microsoft still crushed because of the games

    • Matthew Bryant

      If you’re pretending that the 360 crushed the PS3 when it came to exclusives then you’re spouting opinionated drivel. The PS3 had a lot of great exclusives. Just stop talking.

    • You seem a bit rattled. Nowhere did he say exclusives. He said games. 360>PS3 this gen. Sorry. You have the powerful PS4 to look forward to.

    • Matthew Bryant

      Except Microsoft didn’t “crush” because of the games. They still sold less consoles even with an extra year on the market. <.< Are we talking about the multiplats for the first 3 years that looked better on the 360? I'll agree those existed and I'll agree that some later games had performance issues on the PS3. There weren't many after 2009. So while you're correct that Microsoft did have a huge advantage at the beginning of this generation, that advantage pretty much ceased to exist for the second half of the generation. Don't be sorry, just be accurate.

  • mydreamsofhonor

    Please has anyone heard of who Albert Penello said will answer about xbox one specs vs ps4? Or Do they they really think not answering will sale there console? I am going to wait until the end of Oct. before I give-up my order on xbox one. Should have order the ps4 too! But this will put me off microsoft if they hide there specs by saying it too hard for someone like you to understand just believe us it as good maybe better than ps4! Oh benchmark testing that’s so old school! If you want to see for yourself buy both play them together see both are great? Right Albert Penello tell us who is going to do the talking and when???????????????????

  • alchemistx24x7

    So was the ps3 more powerful, How that work out…On paper ps4 is more powerful everyone admits that but with that said i guarantee you won’t be able to tell the difference between the the games on both systems so all this talk of who has the most power is all for nothing..Call me old school but i grew up in a time where the gameplay was the measure of games and gaming systems not “pretty” looking water effects..

  • AnonymUce

    It doesn’t really matter if the PS4 is more powerful than the XBONE. Because most of 3rd Party games will developed on the XB1, and port to PS4. It’s the lowest denominator. It’s easier to work on a weaker console than port it. Some already knows this, and I’m sure most of you don’t. But you can look it up yourselves, don’t take my word for it. Either way, can’t wait for the PS4 and XBONE


 

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