Microsoft Cloud Improving Particle FX Unlikely In Upcoming Years Due To Infrastructure Latency

If connections really allow for computation offloading to servers then it could be a possibility.

Posted By | On 10th, May. 2014 Under News | Follow This Author @GamingBoltTweet


When Microsoft showcased the so called power of the cloud at the recent Microsoft Build event, many were taken aback by the potential of this technology. After all Microsoft has claimed that the cloud could make the Xbox One 32 times more powerful than it already is. But is that really the case? GamingBolt spoke to Persistant Studios’ CEO Camille Mirey to find out.

Persistant are working on PopcornFX, a middleware tool that focuses on 3D real time particles in video games. The middleware is being used AAA titles like Black Desert and is currently available for PC, PS4, Xbox 360, Xbox One and PS3. PopcornFX is mostly dependent on the CPU for compute power and since the cloud promises more compute power, this should ideally enhance particle effects. But Camille believes that the technology is still a few good years away to realize its full potential.

“This question is a bit hard to answer! Probably in the future, if connections really allow for computation offloading to servers or if full streaming becomes a widespread solution (unlikely in the upcoming years due to latency of current infrastructures). Even with ever-increasing compute power, our challenge is to get the best of any hardware with tailored optimizations!,” Camille explained to GamingBolt.

Given that Microsoft has been pushing the cloud on the Xbox One for some time, it’s high time that they show us a practical demonstration of the power of cloud running in real time on the Xbox One. May be the upcoming E3 will have some answers.

This is just a snippet of our interview with Persistant Studios and we will have more in the coming days.


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  • Bob

    MS are doing exactly I would expect of them. Counter negative press relating to somewhat inferior specs this generation with vague and empty promises to install faith back into the brand. It will work because it seems that people are generally puppets and MS is not only excellent at pulling their strings but they succeed in actually making them loyal and protective at the same time. They must have a right laugh at their fans expense at the board meetings…..

    • Reddz Foxx

      MS never said cloud compute was releasing this year or next year…Just letting you know what they are working on for the future. The start was using servers to handle AI in Titanfall. Obviously they will continue to challenge developers to keep adding more workload to the cloud little by little which lets them test and improve the major goal which you saw a demonstration of a month or 2 ago.

      Basically the ultimate idea was the demonstration shown so how long it takes to get there…. people will wait to see but the concept of what it could potentially lead up to could change as well.

      Mocking technology and the future is what cavemen do… Join modern society and encourage and embrace ideas that are stepping stones to making life more enjoyable.

    • ps4lol

      Remote servers hosting FPS games is nothing new.

    • Reddz Foxx

      The servers are hosting and handling the AI. Baby steps. and yeah I know the AI isnt very intelligent but they were never meant to be they are bots.. But bots in multiplayer are the reason I dislike titanfall.

  • John Doe

    Basically this kind of technical demonstration is usual during the hype of pre launch … not after.
    MS should really quickly propose us a game with real utilization (I mean which give a real differentiation again competitors) of cloud computing.

  • Dangerousjo 1985

    So pretty much this guy is saying he doesn’t know s%#5 and has to wait and see what ms has been working on like everybody else…

    • ps4lol

      Apparently shills are too dumb to understand concepts like internet latency.

    • HalfBlackCanuck

      And apparently idiots don’t understand the exponential growth of technological advancements. Call it bull now but in a few years when 10 times as many people have broadband access and this will be a great horse to have bet on early.

    • ps4lol

      LOL internet latency isn’t going anywhere.

      Bu bu bu just wait.. Xbox is secretly more powerful and will catch up in sales! Xbox Won!!1

    • HalfBlackCanuck

      Cool. Didn’t say either one of those things, but okay.
      What I am saying is that 5 years ago the idea of a tablet was absurd. A slab of screen and processors that didn’t have a disc drive, needed dedicated peripherals, and relied on data connections to get any content was a frivolous waste to the masses. Two years ago tablets were the death of laptops. A lot changes in a few years.
      Additionally, I’m sure you are fully aware of the bandwidth needed, in and out, for this to work. I say this because you sound positive that these calculations need anything more than the streaming speed for a YouTube video. Or that it even needs to be consistent without, say, a buffer allowing for a dropped connection for a period of time. Because you are an engineer obviously working on this tech you understand so well yet have no faith in whatsoever.

    • Squinty

      You need to look up the concept of internet latency, because it has nothing to do with how many people will have access to broadband in 10 years.

      The “exponential growth of technological advancement” in cloud computing is irrelevant in this case. That means cloud computing cannot be used for what M$ has promised, until the issue of internet latency is resolved. And that cannot be resolved on the current infrastructure. Simple as that. These are just facts.

    • ps4lol

      Microsoft fanboys are typically stupid, gullible, and delusional like that.

    • Squinty

      Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

    • jent

      To imagine that internet latency is not going to decrease is to not understand how the internet infrastructure is changing in the US. I cannot speak to other countries, but with fiber to the home (which is growing and will be widespread in just a few years in major cities) latency will decrease significantly. Just check out Google Fiber info if you’d like to know more.

      Whether the internet latency issue will be the magic bullet for the Xbox One I have no idea. I do understand that MS is already using compute on the cloud. MS is not currently using full streaming but that is just a matter of time. I think the interviewer in the article was talking about issues related more to the latency side of streaming. This will affect the spread of such services as Gaikai and OnLive until internet latency is reduced through advancements such as fiber to the home. IMO.

    • Squinty

      Google Fiber?…. I don’t think you understand what the internet backbone is. Or what latency is.
      It is a fundamental bottleneck of the cloud gaming concept. You think you can beat the speed of light through optical fiber in 10 years, Einstein? Your computer has to send a request to the cloud gaming server (over an infrastructure of lanes, routers and servers), which has to do the rendering, then send the data packets back your computer (over that same infrastructure). This isn’t an instantaneous process.

      Stop confusing connection speed with latency. You will always have LAG using the cloud, lag which is virtually nonexistent if the game is rendered locally. It’s not that hard to understand.
      DO SOME RESEARCH before having opinions.

    • jent

      It is my understanding that latency is the time it takes for information to travel between the server and the client. This can be measured by the ping (time to connect to the server) and the connection speed (speed of the data transfer). The processing time for the server is so fast that its time is practically negligible. You are correct that local rendering can be faster, but if latency is low enough the difference is almost undetectable.

      I have done my research, you should be careful before you assume that I hadn’t. Perhaps I was not clear enough in my earlier post. I try not to base my statements on opinions (and when I do I say its an opinion) but I am not perfect and it seems neither are you.

    • Squinty

      I assume that you haven’t done research because it doesn’t sound like you know what you’re talking about.
      If you knew what’s up, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

      There is server latency and there is NETWORK latency. The delays may not even be between you and your ISP. Fiber to the house does nothing to improve network latency, because the bottleneck is the network itself, not that last mile of fiber to your house. That fiber connects houses to a data center, and the data center connects them to the internet backbone, via numerous gateway nodes. It doesn’t travel in a straight line. Those nodes is where delays happen. That is what is meant by infrastructure.

      Like I said before, the speed of light is the ultimate limiting factor, regardless of how fast the server is.
      Under perfect theoretical conditions, it takes light at least 7.5 milliseconds to travel 1000 miles across fiber. However, in reality it takes a lot more, because the data tends to distort along the way, and needs to be amplified or regenerated (which again adds more lag).

      Your ping is determined by the PHYSICAL distance between you and your server. The time it takes for the data to travel to the server and back, that’s ping. There is a latency that no new technology can overcome due to physical limitations in the speed at which data packets can travel, where the only solution would be to move closer to the server.

      To better understand the problem, think of a car analogy – you have a car (your internet connection). But this car has to use a system of roads and highways to get from point A to point B (the internet infrastructure). It cannot take the shortest possible route (a straight line), it has to use the infrastructure. That’s basiclaly where the lag occurs – your car gets “stuck in traffic”, or is delayed at stops, or is forced down slower lanes.

    • Reddz Foxx

      Then I wonder how PS now magically works… There must be secret sauce in the Sony TV’s to allow full streaming on on the interwebz. Or I bet ps4’s are just so powerful that the extra HP they have radiates across the globe only making Sony’s products able to do things that defy the laws of physics and bypass all infrastructure limitations.

      It couldnt be transferring data to the TV’s onboard CPU or CPU/GPU because obviously a gaming bolt article said so as a quote from a middleware particle effects developer who must be a part time infrastructure development engineer on the weekends.

      Gaming bolt should run a Dentistry website and ask then go ask podiatrists on the future of dentistry.. I mean a doctor is a doctor and a developer is a developer right… vice versa.

    • Squinty

      I’m sorry, what?

    • Reddz Foxx

      Apology accepted.

    • Squinty

      It wasn’t an apology

    • jent

      Thank you for your reply. I understand how the internet backbone works. I guess I was unclear in how I stated my understanding.

      On an interesting note I did some additional digging and found that services like Gaikai and Microsoft Azure have been working to reduce the number of nodes and links between clients and servers. They have dedicated and direct connections between the major ISPs in the US and their datacenters. This should reduce the number of hops needed to connect client and server. While it won’t necessarily reduce latency to nothing it will help. I don’t think people should write off cloud computing and gaming. I think it has potential and so do many high profile companies. But who knows they could all be wrong. 🙂

    • Squinty

      We aren’t writing it off completely, it’s just not something that is doable in the foreseeable future. And definitely not to the extent prophesied by M$. It’s not gonna happen during the Xbox One’s lifespan for sure.
      Right now, there is a much much simpler and cost effective alternative in the form of local rendering.

      A game has about 16 milliseconds to render a frame at 60 frames per second. That means that the request has to be sent to the cloud gaming server, processed and sent back in less than 16 ms. Currently, this can’t be reliably achieved even with Google Fiber. Let’s not even consider gaming at over 60 fps.
      Not only does the latency need to be 16 ms or less, but it needs to be like that all the time, it needs to be very solid. In reality, latency is very volatile, it fluctuates on a minute by minute basis, but for most stuff we do on the internet, it’s not really a deal breaker. For gaming, it would be.
      M$ and Sony cannot guarantee a solid low latency, no matter what they do, because it’s an infrastructure issue.
      With local rendering, delay is only in the order of nanoseconds.

      Latency isn’t caused by any one problem, but by a sum of factors that contribute to it. Main problem isn’t with the part of the infrastructure that M$ and Sony can control, but with the rest of the things that they have no control over.

      If you’re curious for more in depth information, I recommend this very detailed article, it explains everything better than I can: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-xbox-one-cloud-transform-gaming

    • HalfBlackCanuck

      So you’re saying latency hasn’t gone down since dial-up modems became consumer available?

    • Squinty

      Are you dense? Dial-up requires no infrastructure outside of the telephone network. We are talking about the broadband internet backbone, not dial up.

    • Phillyblunz

      For the cloud to drop latency I heard the best way to do it is to replace the server machines with ultra fast RAM drives.

      Most of the latency in cloud computing is the HDD seek time of the remote device apparently.

      It has been proposed that using RAM drives could reduce latency by around 100 times I think it was.

      So 30ms ping now could be a 30us ping with this type of setup. You would still have the base ping which is a factor of the speed an electron travels through a wire. So say of that 30ms, 15ms is the HDD seek and 15ms is the time of flight, you could still see an improvement of 100%.

      Guess what? MS servers are not using RAM drives.

    • Squinty

      Yeah, I don’t see that happening. Also I doubt the improvements would be as dramatic.

      Like I’ve said in my other replies below, latency is caused by a bunch of things, including, like you yourself mentioned, physical limitations to the speed at which light can travel undistorted through fiber optic cable, and a bunch of other things. There isn’t just one culprit. The best way to cut latency significantly would be an internet infrastructure overhaul, with everything that entails. It isn’t really up to MS.

    • ps4lol

      LOL you have nothing but JUST WAIT!!1 and pointless shilling and FUD.

      Bu bu bu just wait for the directx 12 cloud low latency ESRAM tiled resources move engine offloading special sauce!!1

      How does it feel being constantly wrong and delusional all the time?

      Wait for the esram dx12 move engine cloud special sauce, Xbox is really as or more powerful!!1

      Wait for titanfall tier 2 price drop China more countries, Xbox will outsell PS4!!1 PS4 has no games indiestation durrrrr!!1

      It’s kind of sad how you keep grasping at delusional straws and failing over and over again. You must enjoy eating crow.

      You sound upset that PS4 has more powerful hardware, more developer support, is outselling Xbox nearly 2:1 globally, and will continue doing so for the entire gen.

    • Dangerousjo 1985

      Lol apparently you don’t understand the purpose of why ms has bought so many servers..

    • Reddz Foxx

      He thinks they look pretty with all the flashy lights. He thinks it should just be a solid large LED light like on his ps4 controller. While PS4 kiddies have a dumbed down touchpad real people are using Smart glass on phones to interact with their xbox ones .

      Sony boss” What else can we do to the Playstation?”

      Sony exec ” MOAR LIGHTS!!!!”
      Whole room applauds!

  • Guest

    Still better than anything $0N¥ PauperStation NOTwork can come up with.

    • TristanPR77

      Your denial won’t change the truth. Oh and remember that Sony owns you since they have the leading next gen console. Die in peace.

    • ps4lol

      Get help for your brain disease.

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  • me3x12

    Forza 5 already shows the great benefits of the cloud. It has the best AI in a racer to date and it has the best AI leader boards ghost racing against your friends. The AI is your friends through the cloud and it’s superb. It’s also 60fps 1080p. Haters gonna hate but it’s just because you can’t relate. With Exclusive games like Titanfall using the cloud it’s more examples of things that are already being done. And with games like Halo5 5 and Gears Of War it’s already being said those games are going to have bleeding edge graphics so expect a big incorporation of the cloud in those games.

    • ps4lol

      LOL remote servers hosting FPS games is nothing new.

      Durr duh cloud will give bleeding edge graphics!1 Stay delusional and wrong.

    • me3x12

      Have fun playing indies why I’m playing the most big budget first party exclusives.

    • ps4lol

      Playstation 4 will have the most AAA 1st party games. Evil and lying microsoft shill.

      You seem upset at PS4’s stronger hardware, ~3 million sales lead, and larger developer support. It must suck that most or all of your claims and predictions turn out WRONG.

      You don’t understand business, sales, or hardware specs, all you can do is fling feces and scream like a rabid animal. Microsoft fanboy shills don’t love their console they just hate the success of others.

    • me3x12

      No I can post FACTS and it’s a FACT due to the FACT that Sony is in complete company liquidation selling off most of their divisions and their credit is listed as JUNK!!! and they just reported an abysmal revenue quarter. Sony is in FACT having tons of indies on PS4 to help fill the void because they are cashed strapped and can no longer fund nearly as many first party games like they did before.

      Sony has indies and are doing repacking of last gen games like GT6 again on PS4 same with TLOU. Sorry currenrtly MS has.

      Kinect Sports

      Fable legends

      DR3

      KI

      RYSE

      Titanfall

      Quantum Break

      Sunset Overdrive

      Gears Of War

      Forza 5

      Eden Fall

      Forza Horizon 2

      RYSE 2

      Battletoads

      Perfect Dark

      Echoblack

      Crackdown Skyline

      You just got DESTROYED!!!

      http://www.winbeta.org/news/de

    • ps4lol

      Another typical dumb, delusional, malicious, constantly wrong microsoft fanboy that has no clue about technology or sales, just feces flinging and screaming like an imbecile. Not coincidentally, all of your predictions END UP WRONG.

      You have little or no understanding of sales, business, or technology, you just want to fling feces while lying and screaming “XBOX WON!!1”

      Sony has the largest AAA 1st party studios.
      PS4 will have the most AAA 1st party games.
      MS relies on paying 3rd parties for exclusives.

      Sony’s 1st parties are ALL working on PS4 games. The gaming division is making a profit and is well funded.

      The gaming division and first party studios are well funded and making a profit. During the quarter ending 31st December 2013 the Game business made a profit of $172m off the back of an impressive 64.6 per cent rise in sales year on year.

      PS4 has the superior version of all console AAA multiplats, The Order, Driveclub, MLB 14: The Show, Deep Down, Uncharted 4, TLOU Remake, more dev support including indies, free to play games and MMOs like FFXIV and Warframe, and unannounced 1st party games (Gran Turismo, God of War, Media Molecule, Quantic Dream, etc.) Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on PS4.

      Recently Sony has filed trademarks or had leaks for no less than 6 games. Entwined, Kill Strain, Blood Borne, Dark Chronicles, Project Beast and Guns Up. Expect a big E3 reveal of new games.

      No sony won’t go bankrupt stop trolling and lying you are too stupid to understand business beyond the level of a dumb fanboy.

      PS4 is currently outselling Xbox almost 2:1 globally, 7 million to ~4.2 million as of April 6 2014. The sales gap is growing wider despite price drops and free Titanfall bundles. PS4 is still very supply constrained in some non-US countries.

      MS shipped 5 million to stores, sold ~4.2 mil to consumers, with ~800k rotting on store shelves. Most console gamers are ignoring MS fanboy apologizing, denial, and damage control and buying PS4s. Playstation is a net profit and PS4 will gain on that profit.

      “2nd fastest selling console ever!!1” Yeah no, sales cratered after the one time delusional fanboy frenzy at launch. It’s going to get WORSE as time goes on, not better. Xbox is shipping under 360 numbers and will soon be selling under 360 numbers.

      Xbox will hardly sell anything in smaller “tier 2” markets already dominated by PS3 and PS4. The global gap is growing wider, Xbox will never surpass PS4 in global sales.

      The 13 countries Xbox One launched in already account for ~90% of 360’s sales. Remaining countries will be 10% at best, but probably less since it’s launching late, more expensive, and less global appeal than the MURICA’ NFL TV box. I estimate the % of sales from non-launch countries around 5-6% at best.

      Furthermore, Xbox is ALREADY AVAILABLE in pretty much every European country as a grey market import. They’re stacked on the shelves of “unlaunched” European countries. That leaves Asia, South America, Middle East, and African countries.

      These markets for Xbox are so tiny they might as well be rounding errors. In other words, barely enough to move the global needle, let alone keep it from tracking under the 360 shipped numbers.

      I can’t wait for September’s “launch” to arrive with all the sales force of a wet fart. Microsoft fanboys will be left gobbling up a mountain of crow yet again while scrambling for more excuses and straw grasping. Same with this China straw grasping. I’m sorry but that’s reality and if you think Xbox sales are going to skyrocket in September you’re in for some serious crow eating.

      Xbox does not have access to all of MS’s money, they’re given a budget by shareholders and expected to turn a profit. MS shareholders aren’t going to throw endless billions into the Xbox brand that shows little or no sign of turning a profit.

      The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. Why do you think Microsoft investors keep calling for it to be sold off? Xbox, Bing, Surface, and Windows Phones are all in the same general area of failure and net loss. MS’s consumer products besides Windows have almost all been failures.

      The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. MS shareholders (that don’t exist to please delusional microsoft fanboys) will continue demanding it be sold off or shut down. It will be sad for you when that happens.

      Your favorite piece of plastic is getting dominated by PS4 in sales, games performance, and dev support, causing you to harbor fevered delusions about Sony going bankrupt. Sorry, won’t happen anytime soon.

      Sony’s 1st parties are ALL working on PS4 games. The gaming division is making a profit and is well funded.

      The gaming division and first party studios are well funded and making a profit. During the quarter ending 31st December 2013 the Game business made a profit of $172m off the back of an impressive 64.6 per cent rise in sales year on year.

      PS4 has the superior version of all console AAA multiplats, The Order, Driveclub, MLB 14: The Show, Deep Down, Uncharted 4, TLOU Remake, more dev support including indies, free to play games and MMOs like FFXIV and Warframe, and unannounced 1st party games (Gran Turismo, God of War, Media Molecule, Quantic Dream, etc.) Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on PS4.

      Recently Sony has filed trademarks or had leaks for no less than 6 games. Entwined, Kill Strain, Blood Borne, Dark Chronicles, Project Beast and Guns Up. Expect a big E3 reveal of new games.

      Sony is selling or splitting off their lossy businesses (Vaio, TVs) and focusing on their profitable divisions. This means they’ll soon cut their losses and start turning a profit. You should be worried if Sony WASN’T cutting those losing divisions, but they’re making the right business decisions. They won’t ever be an empire again but they aren’t going under.

      The gaming division and first party studios are well funded and making a profit. During the quarter ending 31st December 2013 the Game business made a profit of $172m off the back of an impressive 64.6 per cent rise in sales year on year. Sony is in for a year or two of losses and restructuring, then provided their profitable divisions stay profitable, they’ll be on solid ground.

      Sony is still worth 18.5 billion. They just aren’t bringing in enough revenue or profits to bring that number up, and for a time, and probably for a few quarters here or there for the next few years, they might lose money. They also obviously have working capital, because they have games in development right now, and are able to market their newest system and do what they have to do to sell their products. If Sony were on the brink of bankruptcy, we wouldn’t be seeing AAA game announcements with budgets ranging from $50-100 million dollars. If they were on the brink of bankruptcy, they wouldn’t be buying Gaikai, or investing in new tech such as Morpheus or the PS4. PS4 will make a net profit, and Sony won’t go bankrupt.

      Sony Game, Financial Services, Devices, Music, Mobile Products & Communications, and Pictures are all profitable divisions.

      Sony’s market cap is 18.65 billion as of today (2014).
      Market cap in 2013 was 17.6 billion it has gone up since then.
      Sony is ranked #80 in world as the most valuable brand 2013.

      Sony is ranked #506 in the global 2000
      #87 in Sales
      #171 in Assets
      #547 in Market value
      78.52 billion dollars in sales in 2013

    • Reddz Foxx

      I hope your getting paid to troll cause you spend way too much time spreading your propaganda to be doing it as a fanboy… Its like you have to reply to every single person on every single article that has xbox in it.. But your no where to be found in a Sony article.

      If your not getting paid to troll and spread your “opinion” then you should be playing PS4 since its so much better.

    • ps4lol

      Another typical dumb, delusional, malicious, constantly wrong microsoft
      fanboy that has no clue about technology or sales, just feces flinging
      and screaming like an imbecile. Not coincidentally, all of your
      predictions END UP WRONG.

      You have little or no understanding of
      sales, business, or technology, you just want to fling feces while lying
      and screaming “XBOX WON!!1”

      Sony has the largest AAA 1st party studios.
      PS4 will have the most AAA 1st party games.
      MS relies on paying 3rd parties for exclusives.

      Sony’s 1st parties are ALL working on PS4 games. The gaming division is making a profit and is well funded.

      The
      gaming division and first party studios are well funded and making a
      profit. During the quarter ending 31st December 2013 the Game business
      made a profit of $172m off the back of an impressive 64.6 per cent rise
      in sales year on year.

      PS4 has the superior version of all
      console AAA multiplats, The Order, Driveclub, MLB 14: The Show, Deep
      Down, Uncharted 4, TLOU Remake, more dev support including indies, free
      to play games and MMOs like FFXIV and Warframe, and unannounced 1st
      party games (Gran Turismo, God of War, Media Molecule, Quantic Dream,
      etc.) Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on
      PS4.

      Recently Sony has filed trademarks or had leaks for no less
      than 6 games. Entwined, Kill Strain, Blood Borne, Dark Chronicles,
      Project Beast and Guns Up. Expect a big E3 reveal of new games.

      No sony won’t go bankrupt stop trolling and lying you are too stupid to understand business beyond the level of a dumb fanboy.

      PS4
      is currently outselling Xbox almost 2:1 globally, 7 million to ~4.2
      million as of April 6 2014. The sales gap is growing wider despite price
      drops and free Titanfall bundles. PS4 is still very supply constrained
      in some non-US countries.

      MS shipped 5 million to stores, sold
      ~4.2 mil to consumers, with ~800k rotting on store shelves. Most console
      gamers are ignoring MS fanboy apologizing, denial, and damage control
      and buying PS4s. Playstation is a net profit and PS4 will gain on that
      profit.

      “2nd fastest selling console ever!!1” Yeah no, sales
      cratered after the one time delusional fanboy frenzy at launch. It’s
      going to get WORSE as time goes on, not better. Xbox is shipping under
      360 numbers and will soon be selling under 360 numbers.

      Xbox will
      hardly sell anything in smaller “tier 2” markets already dominated by
      PS3 and PS4. The global gap is growing wider, Xbox will never surpass
      PS4 in global sales.

      The 13 countries Xbox One launched in
      already account for ~90% of 360’s sales. Remaining countries will be 10%
      at best, but probably less since it’s launching late, more expensive,
      and less global appeal than the MURICA’ NFL TV box. I estimate the % of
      sales from non-launch countries around 5-6% at best.

      Furthermore,
      Xbox is ALREADY AVAILABLE in pretty much every European country as a
      grey market import. They’re stacked on the shelves of “unlaunched”
      European countries. That leaves Asia, South America, Middle East, and
      African countries.

      These markets for Xbox are so tiny they might
      as well be rounding errors. In other words, barely enough to move the
      global needle, let alone keep it from tracking under the 360 shipped
      numbers.

      I can’t wait for September’s “launch” to arrive with all
      the sales force of a wet fart. Microsoft fanboys will be left gobbling
      up a mountain of crow yet again while scrambling for more excuses and
      straw grasping. Same with this China straw grasping. I’m sorry but
      that’s reality and if you think Xbox sales are going to skyrocket in
      September you’re in for some serious crow eating.

      Xbox does not
      have access to all of MS’s money, they’re given a budget by shareholders
      and expected to turn a profit. MS shareholders aren’t going to throw
      endless billions into the Xbox brand that shows little or no sign of
      turning a profit.

      The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of
      dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. Why do you think
      Microsoft investors keep calling for it to be sold off? Xbox, Bing,
      Surface, and Windows Phones are all in the same general area of failure
      and net loss. MS’s consumer products besides Windows have almost all
      been failures.

      The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of
      dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. MS shareholders (that
      don’t exist to please delusional microsoft fanboys) will continue
      demanding it be sold off or shut down. It will be sad for you when that
      happens.

      Your favorite piece of plastic is getting dominated by
      PS4 in sales, games performance, and dev support, causing you to harbor
      fevered delusions about Sony going bankrupt. Sorry, won’t happen anytime
      soon.

      Sony’s 1st parties are ALL working on PS4 games. The gaming division is making a profit and is well funded.

      The
      gaming division and first party studios are well funded and making a
      profit. During the quarter ending 31st December 2013 the Game business
      made a profit of $172m off the back of an impressive 64.6 per cent rise
      in sales year on year.

      PS4 has the superior version of all
      console AAA multiplats, The Order, Driveclub, MLB 14: The Show, Deep
      Down, Uncharted 4, TLOU Remake, more dev support including indies, free
      to play games and MMOs like FFXIV and Warframe, and unannounced 1st
      party games (Gran Turismo, God of War, Media Molecule, Quantic Dream,
      etc.) Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on
      PS4.

      Recently Sony has filed trademarks or had leaks for no less
      than 6 games. Entwined, Kill Strain, Blood Borne, Dark Chronicles,
      Project Beast and Guns Up. Expect a big E3 reveal of new games.

      Sony
      is selling or splitting off their lossy businesses (Vaio, TVs) and
      focusing on their profitable divisions. This means they’ll soon cut
      their losses and start turning a profit. You should be worried if Sony
      WASN’T cutting those losing divisions, but they’re making the right
      business decisions. They won’t ever be an empire again but they aren’t
      going under.

      The gaming division and first party studios are well
      funded and making a profit. During the quarter ending 31st December
      2013 the Game business made a profit of $172m off the back of an
      impressive 64.6 per cent rise in sales year on year. Sony is in for a
      year or two of losses and restructuring, then provided their profitable
      divisions stay profitable, they’ll be on solid ground.

      Sony is
      still worth 18.5 billion. They just aren’t bringing in enough revenue or
      profits to bring that number up, and for a time, and probably for a few
      quarters here or there for the next few years, they might lose money.
      They also obviously have working capital, because they have games in
      development right now, and are able to market their newest system and do
      what they have to do to sell their products. If Sony were on the brink
      of bankruptcy, we wouldn’t be seeing AAA game announcements with budgets
      ranging from $50-100 million dollars. If they were on the brink of
      bankruptcy, they wouldn’t be buying Gaikai, or investing in new tech
      such as Morpheus or the PS4. PS4 will make a net profit, and Sony won’t
      go bankrupt.

      Sony Game, Financial Services, Devices, Music, Mobile Products & Communications, and Pictures are all profitable divisions.

      Sony’s market cap is 18.65 billion as of today (2014).
      Market cap in 2013 was 17.6 billion it has gone up since then.
      Sony is ranked #80 in world as the most valuable brand 2013.

      Sony is ranked #506 in the global 2000
      #87 in Sales
      #171 in Assets
      #547 in Market value
      78.52 billion dollars in sales in 2013,

    • jent

      Why in the world would you want cloud computing to fail? It will help all the consoles. I am sure that Sony has plans for doing some of the same things that MS is working on. If they are not then they probably should start. Google Fiber can achieve ping times to servers of 1ms (in the same state mostly) and around 35ms (across the country). I think your use of the term delusional is overblown.

    • Johnny

      Because he is a tool. I don’t mean to sound harsh but it is what it is. I tried reasoning with the guy but he just keeps going to troll mood. He just cant help himself. I don’t understand his consistent negativity but that is what he is about. If xone is involved its instant failure with him.

    • ps4lol

      Another typical dumb, delusional, malicious, constantly wrong microsoft
      fanboy that has no clue about technology or sales, just feces flinging
      and screaming like an imbecile. Not coincidentally, all of your
      predictions END UP WRONG.

      You have little or no understanding of
      sales, business, or technology, you just want to fling feces while lying
      and screaming “XBOX WON!!1”

      Sony has the largest AAA 1st party studios.
      PS4 will have the most AAA 1st party games.
      MS relies on paying 3rd parties for exclusives.

      Sony’s 1st parties are ALL working on PS4 games. The gaming division is making a profit and is well funded.

      The
      gaming division and first party studios are well funded and making a
      profit. During the quarter ending 31st December 2013 the Game business
      made a profit of $172m off the back of an impressive 64.6 per cent rise
      in sales year on year.

      PS4 has the superior version of all
      console AAA multiplats, The Order, Driveclub, MLB 14: The Show, Deep
      Down, Uncharted 4, TLOU Remake, more dev support including indies, free
      to play games and MMOs like FFXIV and Warframe, and unannounced 1st
      party games (Gran Turismo, God of War, Media Molecule, Quantic Dream,
      etc.) Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on
      PS4.

      Recently Sony has filed trademarks or had leaks for no less
      than 6 games. Entwined, Kill Strain, Blood Borne, Dark Chronicles,
      Project Beast and Guns Up. Expect a big E3 reveal of new games.

      No sony won’t go bankrupt stop trolling and lying you are too stupid to understand business beyond the level of a dumb fanboy.

      PS4
      is currently outselling Xbox almost 2:1 globally, 7 million to ~4.2
      million as of April 6 2014. The sales gap is growing wider despite price
      drops and free Titanfall bundles. PS4 is still very supply constrained
      in some non-US countries.

      MS shipped 5 million to stores, sold
      ~4.2 mil to consumers, with ~800k rotting on store shelves. Most console
      gamers are ignoring MS fanboy apologizing, denial, and damage control
      and buying PS4s. Playstation is a net profit and PS4 will gain on that
      profit.

      “2nd fastest selling console ever!!1” Yeah no, sales
      cratered after the one time delusional fanboy frenzy at launch. It’s
      going to get WORSE as time goes on, not better. Xbox is shipping under
      360 numbers and will soon be selling under 360 numbers.

      Xbox will
      hardly sell anything in smaller “tier 2” markets already dominated by
      PS3 and PS4. The global gap is growing wider, Xbox will never surpass
      PS4 in global sales.

      The 13 countries Xbox One launched in
      already account for ~90% of 360’s sales. Remaining countries will be 10%
      at best, but probably less since it’s launching late, more expensive,
      and less global appeal than the MURICA’ NFL TV box. I estimate the % of
      sales from non-launch countries around 5-6% at best.

      Furthermore,
      Xbox is ALREADY AVAILABLE in pretty much every European country as a
      grey market import. They’re stacked on the shelves of “unlaunched”
      European countries. That leaves Asia, South America, Middle East, and
      African countries.

      These markets for Xbox are so tiny they might
      as well be rounding errors. In other words, barely enough to move the
      global needle, let alone keep it from tracking under the 360 shipped
      numbers.

      I can’t wait for September’s “launch” to arrive with all
      the sales force of a wet fart. Microsoft fanboys will be left gobbling
      up a mountain of crow yet again while scrambling for more excuses and
      straw grasping. Same with this China straw grasping. I’m sorry but
      that’s reality and if you think Xbox sales are going to skyrocket in
      September you’re in for some serious crow eating.

      Xbox does not
      have access to all of MS’s money, they’re given a budget by shareholders
      and expected to turn a profit. MS shareholders aren’t going to throw
      endless billions into the Xbox brand that shows little or no sign of
      turning a profit.

      The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of
      dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. Why do you think
      Microsoft investors keep calling for it to be sold off? Xbox, Bing,
      Surface, and Windows Phones are all in the same general area of failure
      and net loss. MS’s consumer products besides Windows have almost all
      been failures.

      The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of
      dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. MS shareholders (that
      don’t exist to please delusional microsoft fanboys) will continue
      demanding it be sold off or shut down. It will be sad for you when that
      happens.

      Your favorite piece of plastic is getting dominated by
      PS4 in sales, games performance, and dev support, causing you to harbor
      fevered delusions about Sony going bankrupt. Sorry, won’t happen anytime
      soon.

      Sony’s 1st parties are ALL working on PS4 games. The gaming division is making a profit and is well funded.

      The
      gaming division and first party studios are well funded and making a
      profit. During the quarter ending 31st December 2013 the Game business
      made a profit of $172m off the back of an impressive 64.6 per cent rise
      in sales year on year.

      PS4 has the superior version of all
      console AAA multiplats, The Order, Driveclub, MLB 14: The Show, Deep
      Down, Uncharted 4, TLOU Remake, more dev support including indies, free
      to play games and MMOs like FFXIV and Warframe, and unannounced 1st
      party games (Gran Turismo, God of War, Media Molecule, Quantic Dream,
      etc.) Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on
      PS4.

      Recently Sony has filed trademarks or had leaks for no less
      than 6 games. Entwined, Kill Strain, Blood Borne, Dark Chronicles,
      Project Beast and Guns Up. Expect a big E3 reveal of new games.

      Sony
      is selling or splitting off their lossy businesses (Vaio, TVs) and
      focusing on their profitable divisions. This means they’ll soon cut
      their losses and start turning a profit. You should be worried if Sony
      WASN’T cutting those losing divisions, but they’re making the right
      business decisions. They won’t ever be an empire again but they aren’t
      going under.

      The gaming division and first party studios are well
      funded and making a profit. During the quarter ending 31st December
      2013 the Game business made a profit of $172m off the back of an
      impressive 64.6 per cent rise in sales year on year. Sony is in for a
      year or two of losses and restructuring, then provided their profitable
      divisions stay profitable, they’ll be on solid ground.

      Sony is
      still worth 18.5 billion. They just aren’t bringing in enough revenue or
      profits to bring that number up, and for a time, and probably for a few
      quarters here or there for the next few years, they might lose money.
      They also obviously have working capital, because they have games in
      development right now, and are able to market their newest system and do
      what they have to do to sell their products. If Sony were on the brink
      of bankruptcy, we wouldn’t be seeing AAA game announcements with budgets
      ranging from $50-100 million dollars. If they were on the brink of
      bankruptcy, they wouldn’t be buying Gaikai, or investing in new tech
      such as Morpheus or the PS4. PS4 will make a net profit, and Sony won’t
      go bankrupt.

      Sony Game, Financial Services, Devices, Music, Mobile Products & Communications, and Pictures are all profitable divisions.

      Sony’s market cap is 18.65 billion as of today (2014).
      Market cap in 2013 was 17.6 billion it has gone up since then.
      Sony is ranked #80 in world as the most valuable brand 2013.

      Sony is ranked #506 in the global 2000
      #87 in Sales
      #171 in Assets
      #547 in Market value
      78.52 billion dollars in sales in 2013,,

    • me3x12

      Have fun looking at sales charts and playing lots of low budget trashy indies why I’m playing the most and best big budget first party games. You just got DESTROYED again.

    • me3x12
    • ps4lol

      You have little or no understanding of sales, business, or technology, you just want to fling feces while lying and screaming “XBOX WON!!1”

    • ps4lol

      You have little or no understanding of sales, business, or technology, you just want to fling feces while lying and screaming “XBOX WON!!1”

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  • JerkDaNERD7

    Way to add on your bit (unlikely in the upcoming years due to latency of current infrastructures), man these articles come off as desperate.

    • ps4lol

      Desperate is the PR bull being shoveled out by microsoft to excuse their underpowered, overpriced console.

    • JerkDaNERD7

      Just wondering, do you play games for fun or are you this dense? Do you even enjoy anything?

  • corvusmd

    How can you take an article like this seriously? If they misquote MS about 32 times more powerful….when did MS say that? They said it’s 32 times more powerful than 360… clearly no actual research was done here. Move along, these aren’t the facts you are looking for.

    • jent

      A lot of gaming media online is simply rehashing of bad information from secondary and tertiary sources. I don’t think I have seen any original reporting from Gamingbolt in quite some time. Its all about the clicks and the mob mentality. They figure that other sites do it so if they don’t as well they will be left behind.

    • ps4lol

      All of those “x times more powerful with teh cloud” numbers by MS are bullsh*t.

  • Dennis

    I welcome reveals at E3 and later this year.


 

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