PS4/Xbox One Frame Rate “More Important Than Pixel Count”, Economics Worsen With Better Fidelity

Industry veteran Jordan Weisman discusses current generation development with GamingBolt.

Posted By | On 23rd, Mar. 2014 Under News


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While the Xbox One and PS4 are under constant scrutiny in terms of which games run at 1080p/60 FPS and which don’t – and more importantly, which ones can deliver a consistent performance beyond touted numbers – there have views from developers stating that frame-rate is significantly more important than resolution.

Shadowrun Returns creator and Harebrained Schemes founder Jordan Weisman believes this is the case, especially for twitch-related games (such as first person shooters). When asked about the controversies surrounding the graphical performance of games on current gen consoles, Weisman stated that, “I don’t have any special insights into it. Beyond occasionally playing, I haven’t dug into the specs on either of them. I think ultimately, as a player of games, it doesn’t matter that much to me. Framerate is more important than pixel count if you’re playing a high twitch game.”

However, there is a more worrying trend – that as the visual fidelity increases, the overall cost of development becomes more unrealistic. “As a content creator, actually, every time the fidelity of a platform goes up, it is a liability – actually, liability is too strong of a term – it is a challenge as a content creator, because as fidelity goes up, costs of creating stuff that takes advantage of that fidelity go up, so the economics of the business just get worse and worse as the fidelity gets better.

“If you just look at fidelity on one curve, and you look at install based and price point on another curve, to see what your potential revenue is versus your cost of producing that fidelity, those two curves are crossed in the worst possible way for content creators.”

Do you agree with Weisman’s views, and for that matter, is frame rate more paramount to enjoying a game than resolution? Thinking back to how horrible frame rates hampered games like The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on the PS3 and Castlevania: Lords of Shadow on both Xbox 360 and PS3, we’re inclined to agree. But let us know your thoughts in the comments below.


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  • Xtreme Derp

    One of the big pushes for next gen game engines like Unity 5, Unreal 4, and Cryengine is ease of development. PS4 was also built around ease of development.

    Framerate, res, and effects are all tradeoffs. Most devs seem to prefer 30 fps and higher image quality.

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      exactly sitty on the ps4 its all framerate, res, and efftct are all tyradeioff to get it on there… so delusion fanboyism thinks its bin touched by the divine power of yoshida or whatever his name is

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  • Johnny

    Game play and a great experience is what we all should be about and unite around rather than platform. When we argue about platforms we let the game experience go to the wayside and allow developers off the hook when a subpar game is released.

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  • Bryce S.

    FPS inconsistency is more noticeable than 900p to 1080p

    • Psionicinversion

      you right thats why X1 hgas higher consistency they choose to lower rs than sacrifice fps

    • datdude

      Sure, that’s like saying you CHOOSE to run slower than Usain Bolt because you don’t want to perspire. Excuses, excuses from the xbox lot. Titanfall is 792p and they strove for 60fps, but have drops in the 30’s. If what you claim is true, they would have locked at 30fps. Go home to mommy, you’re done here.

    • kinisking

      Knack on ps4 drops to 30s. That’s disgusting. On the other hand cod, thief, and basically every multiplatform is more consistent on Xbox. Who’s crying now.

    • Psionicinversion

      i wouldnt go talking about thief cus its basdically dog sh** of everything

    • Gamez Rule

      Agreed, while Xbone being the worst of the turds☺

    • Psionicinversion

      you cant blame the Xbox for Thief i got it free from AMD never settle bundle, glad about that cus i wouldnt pay £5 for it… was funny it was 50% on steam like the day it was released maybe even before and everyone whose made it either bin kayed off or “moved on to other projects”

    • Gamez Rule

      I don’t blame Xbone as Thief is poor on all platforms.

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      im tempted load theif up just to see if mantle improves things cus the thief driver is out

    • Gamez Rule

      Thief drops framerates lower than PS4, and is more consistent on PS4 too, analyst showed this.

      CODG was poor on PC too, yet PS4 even with higher resolution didn’t drop below 40fps in the most demanding scenes while Xbone was dropping to 30fps. So simply put the game isn’t optimised quite as well as they should be on all platforms.

    • Psionicinversion

      optmisation on Thief is a joke cant believe sony is allowing them to do a VR version, its going to suck just as hard as playing the normal game

    • Gamez Rule

      Well count me out. lol

    • datdude

      The turds of troll don’t understand reason and knowledge. They are used to being fed a steady diet of bullshot from Microsoft. Forgive their confusion. They proceed to spout the overabundance of bullshot from their gaping mouths, as they are stuffed to the gills with the stuff. They can’t help themselves. If you see them in the street, give them a wide berth, they’re about to bust from all the backed up filth in their systems. There is no helping these poor unfortunates.

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    • JumpIf NotZero

      I love those cherry picked pictures! … Those are from Eurogamer’s digitalfoundry… Now if I remember right… Which version did your own source say was better again?

      Oh, the X1, almost forgot.

    • datdude

      You’re confused, as Digital Foundry has compared every game common to ps4 and xbone and EVERY SINGLE ONE they say the higher resolution, higher framerate, and better experience is found on ps4. They hammered both version of Thief on consoles, so you’re out to lunch. So sorry. Better luck next time.

    • Gamez Rule

      PS4 had the more consistent frame-rate while PC is the better version to have from the same source☺

    • datdude

      Sure it is. Digital Foundry is your friend. And they say both versions of Thief suck compared to pc. Better luck next time, as Digital Foundry has compared every game available for both ps4 and xbone and for games on both systems they routinely say the ps4 version has superior resolution, framerates, and offers the better overall experience. That, troll, is called getting zipped up. It just happened to you. Good luck with that.

    • Psionicinversion

      Usain Bolt runs on McDonalds chicken Nuggets so if he can dio that MS can with its software upgrades!!!

    • datdude

      Athletes who train as hard as track and field athletes do can eat thousands more calories a day than a person who sits on the couch and does nothing. They burn those calories. The xbone is no superior athlete. It’s trying to catch up performance wise to the ps4. It can’t afford the extra.

    • Psionicinversion

      wrong and ecietful fanboy and all that stuff

    • JumpIf NotZero

      How does Titanfall run on PS4 again?

    • datdude

      How does Infamous run on xbone again? Oh, that’s right, it couldn’t. Case closed. 792p 6v6 multiplayer only with no destruction in the environment is getting set to run on the 360, with marginal loss of resolution and framerate, and runs much better on pc. Second Son, the real next gen title, says hello, goodbye, and good luck to dat bone that can’t keep up.

    • Gamez Rule

      “thats why X1 hgas higher consistency they choose to lower rs than sacrifice fps”

      Nonsense. Lets look at facts while looking at Ryse: Son Of Rome.

      Running at 900p and STILL dropping way below 30FPS ( 16FPS ) when the going gets tough. If what you stated was correct about *X1 choosing to lower rs than sacrifice fps .. Ryse should have been dropped even further from 900P to 720p to run at better frame-rates. But developers / MS didn’t do such a thing, they just left the game looking pretty☺( with bad framerates )

      Now look at Titanfall on Xbone.

      Just look at all the screen-tearing, as well as the poor frame-rate drops. ( 60FPS dropping to under 30FPS most of the time ) If MS was worried about higher consistency these frame-rate problems wouldn’t be a concern, and this game would have also had the resolution dropped so that frame-rate wouldn’t be sacrificed. But yet again that didn’t happen.

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      That you’re into animals?☺

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    • JumpIf NotZero

      After looking at all your posts here…. Is that posted ironically?

    • datdude

      Don’t waste your time on the dopes who can’t manage reality, and point to the clooouuudddzzz for salvation. They are lost souls, destined to suffer a generation of lackluster resolutions and inferior framerates. Leave them to their misery and enjoy the better multiplat performance, more varied and greater in number indie titles, better first party exclusives, better free games, better hardware performance, etc. etc. etc., ps4.

  • datdude

    Why should a new gen console have to choose? Why not 1080p and 60fps? PS4 is having more success in that regard than the xbone. PS4 is plenty capable of 1080p 60fps, while the xbone is not. And games that are common to both consoles are higher res and higher framerate on ps4. End of story. Both consoles need to be better optimized to stablilize framerates, with both suffering drops at times, but those are the facts of the moment, and they aren’t changing anytime soon, if ever. When one of the main engineers (Greg Williams) who designed the xbone comes out and says “The xbox one doesn’t target high end graphics”, that pretty much puts the nail in it.

    • T.W. Dee

      I agree with you, I’ve yet to take the plunge for a new PS4 or XBone (wating for more games), but at this point, I’d pick the PS4 for it’s apparently superior specs and as such, future value.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      “I want more games”
      “I think I’ll get a PS4”

      You funny.

    • T.W. Dee

      Good one…I have a PS3 and Xbox 360…I use and like the Xbox best to be honest…and a piece of that is because it has more games.

      Regardless, both of the new consoles look like great machines…I’ll just start with the PS4.

  • T.W. Dee

    I think it’s all about frame rate myself, because if you’re not getting the frame rate you need, you’re dead in a twitich related shooters.

    I get the development cost issues vs profitability, but build it better and let the consumer pay the price or not…any losses will determine the future of the frame-rates vs pixels argument. Also I would think any discussion re frame-rate vs pixels, also has to give consideration to the consumer’s need for additional bandwidth to support those capabilities. Bottom line, how much realiism do people want to buy.


 

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