The Success of PS4 Pro Can Only Mean Good Things For Xbox Scorpio

The PS4 Pro’s success paves the way for other iterative consoles to come.

Posted By | On 19th, Nov. 2016 Under Article, Editorials | Follow This Author @Pramath1605


There were many arguments to be made, in the lead up to the launch of the PlayStation 4 Pro, that Sony were dropping the ball when it came to their new console. As the makers of the very first mid generation iterative console ever, Sony had a responsibility to actually introduce the concept in a way that would be palatable to the masses, and… it was arguable whether or not they were actually doing that properly. But once again, Sony have surprised us with their sheer acumen, and the power of their brand- while it’s too early to call it just yet, given that the PS4 Pro launched just last week, and that we don’t have either global numbers, nor sustained numbers, so far, it is now evident that the PS4 Pro has gotten off to a good start.

In Japan, a market increasingly averse to home consoles, a market that everyone was convinced the PS4 Pro would barely post any numbers in, with the Slim instead accounting for most of the PS4 sales in the region, the PS4 Pro sold over 65,000 units in its first four days on the market. Just for reference, that number is not only higher than what the standard PS4 Slim sold in that same week in Japan, but also higher than the numbers the Slim posted in its launch week in the country.

PS4 Pro’s Japanese numbers are incredibly compelling but not necessarily conclusive. Things usually launch well in Japan (remember how the PlayStation VR launched well there, before dropping off like a rock?), and sales trends in Japan are not necessarily indicative of trends in the rest of the world. Which is why the PS4 Pro’s performance in the UK is encouraging, too- the PS4 had been outsold by the Xbox One in the country for a while now, but the PS4 Pro galvanized Sony’s console, leading to a sharp spike in sales that Sony are hopefully able to sustain.

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"The takeaway here is that the market is not opposed to the notion of iterative consoles by definition, and that customers are more than willing to buy a new, upgraded console."

The takeaway here is that the market is not opposed to the notion of iterative consoles by definition, and that customers are more than willing to buy a new, upgraded console- provided there is a compelling proposition on offer. While the question of whether or not Sony actually managed to communicate a compelling proposition is one we can argue on all day and night, it is indisputable that the PS4 Pro’s price alone makes it highly attractive- instead of spending $300 on a PS4, why not spend just $100 more, and get a better PS4 that will make all your games look even better?

This, then, is a vindication of the iterative console concept- which, you will remember, is something that we have been espousing the benefits of for a very long time, now. It means that the market is more than willing to entertain the notion of console refreshes every few years, along with all the benefits that go with that- continuous game development libraries and pipelines, no discrete breaks in game compatibility and ecosystems, and a constant evolution of technology. Continuously refreshed hardware has long been common for gaming arcades, smartphones, PCs, tablets, and handhelds- in other words, for anything that plays games except for consoles. But now, it is clear that it can be applied to the console gaming market as well. And that is big, important, and significant.

Most importantly, it establishes, right away, that Microsoft’s Scorpio can also do well now. Presuming that Microsoft don’t do something stupid, like pricing it too high (admittedly something that is not yet confirmed, given that they keep hinting that the console will be a ‘premium’ console), the Scorpio is not something that will be fundamentally rejected by the market. In fact, one might argue that (again, presuming that Microsoft does nothing stupid, which we can never be sure of with this company- remember, this is the company that tried to sell an underpowered, laden with Kinect, always online and connected console for $500) Microsoft could do better with the Scorpio than Sony have done with the Pro.

xbox scorpio

"It establishes, right away, that Microsoft’s Scorpio can also do well now."

This is not necessarily talking about the Scorpio’s power advantage over the Pro (though I imagine that is something that will come into play, too especially if Microsoft make it a chief marketing point)- instead, this is more about keeping the Scorpio’s release timing in mind. By the time the Scorpio launches, the PS4 Pro will have been on the market for a year (or longer). This means that Microsoft will have had a year to study what Sony did that worked, what they did that didn’t, how they should market their console, and what all they should avoid. Theoretically, they can learn from Sony’s mistakes and from their successes, and do a far more convincing and compelling job of selling the Scorpio than Sony has done with the Pro- and given how successful the Pro is in spite of Sony’s mixed messaging, the Scorpio could do even better.

But even stepping away from the confines of this unnecessarily trumped up PlayStation versus Xbox console war, that mandates that we pit the Scorpio against the Pro by definition, I think the Pro’s success is good news- it means that iterative consoles are likely to catch on, likely to be something that each company pushes out, and likely to constantly do well. It means that consoles become actual platforms, rather than discrete, isolated standards that increasingly fall out of sync with the rest of the gaming industry.

Microsoft have already hinted that they are now looking at a ‘world without generations.’ Nintendo has already hinted that the Switch is the start of a new platform for them, which will become a ‘family of devices, implying that they are looking at evolving and iterating the system over time. Sony have technically promised that they will have a proper next gen PS5- but they have never said that there won’t be a PS5 Pro. And given the success of the PS4 Pro, they’d be stupid not to push one out in the future.

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"A rising tide lifts all boats, and that is never as true in any other industry as it is in the gaming one."

In other words, the success of the Pro is the final proof that was needed that the console market is now forever and irrevocably changed. The era of discrete game generations is now over- instead, we will now have continuous Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo platforms, evolving and iterating over time, and never resetting your game libraries, or game developers’ development pipelines, completely. This was necessary for the future health of the console gaming industry, and so it is good to see that the PS4 Pro has done well, indeed. After all- a rising tide lifts all boats, and that is never as true in any other industry as it is in the gaming one.

Note: The views expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of, and should not be attributed to, GamingBolt as an organization


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  • crazy_black_man-

    The success of the PS4 Pro represents the overall continued success of the Playstation brand. Period. I would highly doubt that it means that anything changes for the Xbox brand. This ‘hopeful’ article comes long before the price of the Scorpio has even been announced. More than anything else, the price of the new console next year will determine its success, and its success depends entirely of how much of a continued loss on hardware sales that Microsoft are willing to take. In that perspective, with Phil Spencer and team already saying repeatedly that this will be a ‘premium’ console, its sounding more like they aren’t willing to continue taking losses on hardware with the Scorpio, which can only mean one thing…..a higher price point beyond $500-600USD will be suicide for the Xbox brand. Power differences considered, there really aren’t enough reasons to bring more people over to the brand with a more powerful Scorpio, who’ve not already succumbed to the previous Xbox marketing in the past 3 years. Let just be honest about the whole thing. The “Xbox Play Anywhere” marketing initiative has already failed. Moving exclusive games to PC has not helped the brand at all. Whats left to tout for the brand? True 4K gaming on Scorpio? Don’t believe it folks. It probably won’t even prove to be that powerful after all the false hype dies down. Right now, as it stands today and looking back at past history, everyone should keep an open mind, and expect nothing more from Scorpio than the continued failure for the Xbox brand.

    • Mark

      Personally I don’t even care if the dam thing sells wells, I just want it for the performance! I have seen a good number of people hyped for it, but if it drops at 600 quid, that’s gonna be a downer to alot. But I think Microsoft knows they wouldn’t do sell out Box Office numbers at such a price. Ultimately tho as a gamer I could care less about sales, of course I’d like to see it catch fire, but if it sells 100 units at launch, regardless I’ma be one happy mutha-lova. What do u feel about the Switch? I think it’s cool, but I ain’t gettin it lol.

    • crazy_black_man-

      I don’t care for Nintendo at all.

  • Mark

    Good to see the Pro doin it’s thing. If u got tha cash, why not cop it? I would. Saw a SF V bundle that looked sweet. Sony should make some Pro Limited Editions this holdiay. Anyway my funds are being drained by others so no can do for me. Next year tho I plan to go all in; I want the best dam 4K Samsung or LG I can get for around 1500 beans (240HZ, HDR, low latency, 50″). I’m gonna get the TV and Scorpio all in the same day, spend like an hour configuring the setup!

  • quantum

    If I didn’t already own a PS4 I would buy the PRO for sure, likewise if you don’t own an xbox when the scorpio comes out you should buy that. As long as it isn’t way more expensive than the current xbox.

    • Mark

      That’s a good gameplan. U could get one base model, while also having a different suped up system

    • quantum

      I may pick up an xbox one s if it comes down to 200 quid on black friday, but I will only get a year out of it because of the Scorpio. I think that will come out about £400. I will have bought a 4K TV by then if not sooner.

    • Mark

      Good. Just make sure u do ur homework on gettin the best possible 4K TV in ur price range; get one with low latency, HDR, atleast 120HZ refresh speed, and there’s a few more things to consider. Don’t wanna get the wrong TV lol

    • quantum

      Thanks for the heads up, trust me I will do my homework before shelling out about £1500 on a TV. I feel sorry for them who have already bought a 4k TV which doesn’t have HDR, they must be gutted.

  • LifeOnMars

    I think Microsoft have messed up big time..
    Xbox One S should have had the power of PS4 Pro ( it’s still weaker the PS4 Slim) and they should have left the Scorpio for an extra year when it can be sold at a competitiive lower price.
    Microsoft will be underpowered for over a year.

  • Vagelis v

    I don’t know how this article came to be with no actual solid numbers to back it up. No one really knows if the ps4pro is indeed a success. No numbers by sony who are usually red hot to brag about sales within 24h if a machine is doing well is something curious. The sales spike it had in the UK when taken into context was actually not great, and selling 60 something thousand consoles in the weakest and most insignificant console market on planet earth says nothing really.

    • Hvd

      its trying to fool people in to thinking the ps4 pro is a success. which its not..lmao

    • Aenea

      It’s not? Can YOU back that up with a source?

    • efnet

      https://youtu.be/IRcL5lOjH-I
      You told me to prove it….im waiting on your rationalization. Because i know you’ve got one

    • Holeybartender

      And to every video like that there is one where the PS4 Pro works fine.

    • efnet

      Im sure there is but how is that helping me ?
      My pro isn’t working.

    • Dougdec92

      Well the fact that your ps4 pro isn’t working doesn’t mean Sony’s done a bad job of the ps4 pro, that’s why there are warranties and guarantees and their likes, go change it, people make hardware and people ain’t perfect

    • -youjustgotburned-

      Damn, that PS4 Pro of yours wants to take off like a plane XD
      Mine thankfully wants to stay on the ground XD

      Well at least you prove the naysayers wrong of your issue.

    • Aenea

      Ehh no, I asked Hvd to prove that the Pro is not a success, you posting a video showing YOU have issues with your Pro is not proving that the Pro is not a success!

      Also yes, your Pro is making way too much noise! Mine is not like that at all. I also don’t have those audio issues nor the screen flickering. Since you claim you already tried 3 different PS4 Pros you seem to think they all have that, well it’s not the case. Maybe something else is not okay then? Do you have it set up in a way that it isn’t getting enough airflow? Overheating GPUs can show artefacts on screen, still wouldn’t explain the audio stuff tho.

      It seems highly unlikely that you are so unlucky to get 3 faulty Pros so it seems way more likely something else is messing it up.

    • crazy_black_man-

      He probably staged the whole thing. He’s probably got something else running creating excess noise.

    • -youjustgotburned-

      LOL! The denial in you is strong.

    • crazy_black_man-

      Me? YOU were the one who called him out on it.

    • -youjustgotburned-

      I never did call him out on it, all I said was that I wasn’t having the same issues as him that’s all. Because if you didn’t know technology isn’t perfect. They all have their problems.

    • crazy_black_man-

      And he bought 3 consoles with the same problem? Hilariousness. He’s clearly an idiot.

    • -youjustgotburned-

      Bet if it was the Xbox you wouldn’t be singing the same tune but we all know why that is.

    • crazy_black_man-

      “but we all know why that is.”

      LOL. Because the Xbox is a janky piece of sh**?

    • -youjustgotburned-

      Typical response from a guy who takes being a corporate slave to a whole new level. The “famous” clown Crazy_Black_Man aka Doggystyle. The notorious PS Fanboy Troll who talks and searches more about the console he says he detests than the console he says is the coming of Jesus. The insecure little mindless insect who always tries to validate to everyone he made the right purchase even though his words say other wise.

      Guess you and efnet are not so different after all.

      Of course what I just said will go through one of your ears and out the other since you only want to hear what you want to hear.

      So say one of your usual rhetorics and then when you think you thought of something better edit it.

    • crazy_black_man-

      Through one ear? LOL, I’m sorry, did you just say something? All I heard was crying.

    • -youjustgotburned-

      Then you should stop crying so you can hear better.

    • -youjustgotburned-

      Oh nice edit there…what’s funny about what you just added is that I see a lot of projection, but that doesn’t surprise me from someone like you.

    • crazy_black_man-

      Ok Dr Phil. You got me.

    • -youjustgotburned-

      Do you need more time to think of something relevant or is that it?

    • crazy_black_man-

      Thats it.

    • -youjustgotburned-

      Also I am not making excuses.

    • Dougdec92

      40million plus people own a ps4, I don’t think all of them would be endeared to the pro, especially when you’ve to leave your 1080p set and buy a 4k HDR compatible TV just to play a game the base model they already own does already.

    • Aenea

      I bought a Pro and don’t have a 4k set. Differences are rather noticeable, besides for €200 I got a new and faster and way quieter PS4! I’m good 🙂

      (I do have PSVR tho and will get a 4k TV next year)

    • Tomaterrrx

      Actually the UK is a pretty significant market.

  • Bad Wolf

    Ps4 pro a success?

  • Hvd

    what success if bombed in japan 64k in the first week…lmao…

    thats a failure.

    • LifeOnMars

      It won’t be very long before PS4 Pro overtakes Xbox One in Japan, what does that make Xbox ?

    • Hvd

      the ps4 runs better then the ps4 pro which means the xbox one runs better then the ps4 pro.just wait next year until xbox scorpio launches.
      it will destroy the ps4 pro.

      why do you think your digital foundry stopped doing frame rate tests..lmao.

    • LifeOnMars

      Just listen to yourself, you are one deluded narrow minded little fanboy.
      A few glitches on a few games will be very shortly resolved, this does not make Xbone more powerful than PS4 Pro. by the way have you seen assasins creed 2 graphics on xbox one.
      Just enjoy your long wait on a underpowered console for over a year. Oh I realy do hope that Scorpio does not dissapoint you and I hope it gets some games, I do hope you can afford it.
      I suggest that you YouTube PS4 Pro and see what you are missing out on for the next 12 to 14 months. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/532309de9ab07eb6ab7ec0c0f19bc20961e80cf0ca1d3df94c0fd29e78addd49.png

    • Hvd

      why do you think digital foundry doesnt do frame rate tests on the ps4 pro at all now?watch their last of of remastered video the ps4 version runs better then the ps4 pro.thats why they dont.

      xbox one has a better cpu and many games have ran better on the xbox one over the ps4.

      common sense use it.

    • LifeOnMars

      Just enjoy your wait.

    • Hvd

      enjoy you waiting for AAA exclusives on the delay station where delays await…lol

      maybe some time next year you will get a AAA exclusive..lmao

    • efnet

      Bro check out my ps4 pro in action…. see what the media and die hards dont want you to see

      https://youtu.be/IRcL5lOjH-I

    • Holeybartender

      There are two ports,one for 4k/60fps and one for 4k/30fps.Plug in the right one? Just asking.

    • LifeOnMars

      Have you seen Assasins creed 2 onXbox One ?

    • Holeybartender

      They just released a video this past week yo.
      http://wccftech.com/final-fantasy-xv-ps4-pro-analysis/

    • LifeOnMars

      Thanks a fair review of what looks to be a great game.

    • Aenea

      Go to youtube for this video then click on Digital Foundry, then videos and you will see a nice list of their latest videos, most are about the Pro!

      (I tried adding the link in this post but Diqus tries to attach a video to it instead)

      -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UerFogW1m-0

    • Holeybartender

      Xbox One hasn’t even reached 64k in Japan,have they?

    • Aenea

      If I remember correctly 64k in a few days is NOT a failure for Japan…

      But keep dreaming buddy!

  • Holeybartender

    Idk,some people… Look, I’m not calling you an idiot just using process of elimination to address the problem.

    Is it plugged directly from the TV to the Pro or through a receiver? Did you use Sony’s HDMI or did you buy one? Maybe the vibration from the fan is causing a loose connection. I don’t know man,just trying to help.

    • efnet

      Ive tried it all …i had it since launch and its been this way for 3 ps4 pros only after the update is installed ….its always fine until you install ps4 fw update

    • Holeybartender

      This past PS4 update has been kinda weird lately. My Internet cuts out on my PS4 when the fan kicks it into high gear and the input from my controller has been possessed since then,the Internet browser sends it into error status and says the system needs updated. The 4.06 patch has eliminated all that except the fan thing so far,could be I need to have mine looked at too.

    • LifeOnMars

      Thanks for the heads up on the PS4 problems, I will wait a while until it’s rectified before before purchasing mine , I don’t want to end up like I did when I purchased my Xbox 360’s.

    • Aenea

      LOL, do what you have to but the issues efnet is having aren’t going to be solved by Sony since he’s the only one having these issues!

      He claims to have tried 3 different Pros and all have the same issue. Then why is mine and the ones of 1000s of others not doing the same thing and working as it’s supposed to?

    • LifeOnMars

      I would try another hdmi cable, then try another TV, If all fails just take it back to the retailer an wait for Scorpio ( lets hope that works Ok)

    • Aenea

      Have you tried hooking it up to another TV? have you moved the console to a spot with nothing constricting airflow? Or did you put all 3 in the exact same spot and connected them the exact same way?

    • Tomaterrrx

      Have you tried it on a friends TV? This happened to my Wii and 360 years ago and testing the console on a friends TV made me realize the TV was the problem, not the console. If 3 pros have been doing this than I think it is pretty likely that the TV could be the problem.

    • efnet

      Its not the tvs its the fw sony released because all 3 of them preformed like they should until i installed the fw and thats when it went bonkers , i took it back got a nother one and it wqs fine until the fw was installed.
      So again im pretty confident its sony and no one else.

  • BelAirBoss

    How many times does Microsoft have to say “premium” console, before people understand it isn’t going to come cheap? I would like to know what this author would consider “pricing it too high”. For me, I would rather they don’t skimp on the hardware and give us the beast they are promising, as opposed to cutting back to hit a price by not doing enough to upgrade the cpu and/or memory, thereby compromising the enhancements to the gpu. Do it right, or don’t do it at all.

    This will be a console for enthusiasts, I’m quite sure. If they don’t skimp, that means it’s going to cost. If you’re hoping for 400 dollars, I think that’s unrealistic based on what we’ve heard. I really wouldn’t be at all surprised if it’s 549 or even higher. If they sell it for less than 549, that may be at a loss, without an elite controller or game bundled in.

    The reason I say all this is that I seriously doubt Microsoft is going to come a year later than the Pro with a box that struggles to hit the marks they have touted….the Pro is proving to be capable to checkerboard 4k@30fps well enough. Microsoft is going to have to prove their system is native, without compromise, without upscaling, without frame rate drops…..otherwise, why by it when the Pro will be “good enough” for most gamers and presumably far cheaper than it already is by the time the Scorpio launches in late 2017? You already know Sony will drop the price of the Pro significantly right before Scorpio launches……so Scorpio needs to be special.

    • Holeybartender

      They promised “True 4k” but can’t say it’s “Native 4k”? We all know 6 teraflops isn’t enough (8 teraflops is) to do native 4k so they have got to be skimping on something…

      Even with cutting back the cost there’s no way it will be cheaper or do native 4k.

    • BelAirBoss

      The fact is you don’t know, nor does anybody, what the actual final specs of the Scorpio will be. And saying “we all know 6 teraflops isn’t enough to do native 4k” is silly….the Pro is doing some games at native 4k with 4.2 teraflops. So to say it flat out isn’t possible is ridiculous, it apparently is. Sony is doing it with less, so it’s not impossible.

      I have no idea what the Scorpio will or will not do, and neither do you. But for you to make blanket statements of fact without having enough information says more about you than it does about anything else.

    • Holeybartender

      We are talking about PS4 and Xbox One quality level of games when we say 6 teraflops isn’t enough. Sure you can get an indie or PS3 remaster to do native 4k but 8 teraflops is ideal for anything more. The console needing 8 teraflops is from the devs themselves and I’d take their word before anyone elses.

    • ESO is native 4k on the Pro and isn’t an indie or PS3 remaster.

    • Dougdec92

      I agree with you on this one, how many people play 3hrs into a game in the middle of a difficult boss fight and start counting pixels or admiring shaders and textures and the like?, 4k, upscaled or no doesn’t make a game unplayable, Xbox or ms for that matter should continue a steady stream of exclusives and stop trying to outdo Sony, MS started right back on track when they decided to be their own competitors and believe me developers would add so much bells and whistles 6tflops could relatively flop hypewise in just 2018

  • Mr Xrat

    Shows that there’s a market for mid-gen upgrades. However, being a year late, a dollar short and having no exclusives dooms it outside of a launch spurt when the few remaining Xgimps buy three each.

  • Aenea
    • efnet

      Lol im not questioning anything you’ve said to the other individual, i simply posted the picture of you telling me to “prove” my issues and i did . ..
      All thus other BS you’re talking about is nothing but you trying to deny facts.

    • Aenea

      You replied to the post where I asked Hvd for proof of the Pro not being a success.

      You also replied to another post of mine where I asked you proof for your issues, seems you think they are one and the same, they are not 🙂

  • JuneMas

    So the PS5 will have an 8-9 teraflop GPU with a hopefully powerful CPU not Apu and 16GB’s of RAM in 2019-2020 shortly after that the next Xbox will be what it is then a PS5 Pro after that. Generational upgrades were easier because most console manufactures launched within the same timeframe. It’s all screwy now so I could def see consoles dying in the next decade. Nintendo might be right with the direction their going over Microsoft and Sony.

  • Hvd

    this article is trying to fool you that its about xbox.they are lying about the ps4 pro right to your face.65k for a sony console at launch is horrible.the ps2,ps3,ps4 all sold out

    they are trying to lie to you about the ps4 pro success which its a failure..lmao

    • Aenea

      65k only in Japan!


 

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