Xbox Scorpio Shouldn’t Be Priced Over $399, Michael Pachter Says

How high is too high for the upcoming Scorpio?

Posted By | On 20th, Jan. 2017 Under News | Follow This Author @Pramath1605


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The question of the Xbox One Scorpio’s price is one that continues to loom- we know that Microsoft are building the Scorpio to be the most powerful system ever, so we understand that it can’t necessarily be priced cheap from the off. We also have hints from Xbox boss Phil Spencer, suggesting that the system will be priced like a ‘premium’ console, which seems to indicate that it may be a more expensive, higher end SKU put on the market to be sold alongside the standard Xbox One.

But Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter believes that there is a cap to how high Microsoft can price the Scorpio- and that cap is $400. If the Scorpio is priced over that, Microsoft could have a problem. Speaking to Gamertag Radio (via DualShockers), Pachter explained the challenges that currently face Microsoft with the Scorpio.

“Well, I mean, consistent with my criticism of Nintendo- if Microsoft prices this thing higher, they’ve got a problem,” Pachter said. “I know that the guts are pretty powerful, and I know they’re trying to build something that’s a mid cycle upgrade, a huge upgrade over Xbox One. So if the Xbox One is still $300 next Christmas, which I don’t think it will be, they might have the guts to charge more than $399, but I think PS4 is laying the gauntlet down, that’s the price of the PS4 Pro. So, I don’t see Scorpio charging more- if they do, they’re going to have to explain why it’s better. And if Sony’s smart, and they are, PS4 Pro is going to be $349 next Christmas. So, what’s Microsoft going to tell you? ‘You gotta buy ours just in case you buy a 4KTV?’

“Now, the only thing these guys have going for them is that 4KTVs have become what LED TVs became a few years ago. Where when you first got a big screen flat screen TV, it was LCD or plasma, but now you can’t even find LCD or plasma TVs on the market, it’s all 4K. That’s what 4KTVs are going to be in 2-3 years. There’s not going to be a reason to not get a 4KTV by that time. So maybe people will buy a 4KTV and a console that powers games in 4K, but you still need developers to develop 4K games. I think that several games will come be out for launch. So, $399, anything more is asking for trouble.”

I personally agree that the system can’t be priced higher than $400- I believe that’s the cap for how high a system can be and still be appealing to the mass market. As the Xbox One and PS3 have shown us, anything more, and the system simply will not sell. Hopefully, Microsoft remembers this when they decide on their pricing for the Scorpio.


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  • Andy Maas

    If it’s $500 dollars it won’t sell

  • Luke Skywalker

    I’d buy at $500 anything above that I’d wait for a price drop down to $400.
    I believe that if the ps4pro goes down to $350 as a permanent price drop after 1 year then Sony would be losing money, that’s not good economics. Well unless they make enough money from ps4 and game sales to balance it out.

    • LifeOnMars

      Sony will be more than ready to rain on Micrsofts parade.PS4 Pro will be at the very least $60 cheaper than Scorpio at launch and will be bundled with a AAA title. and who knows they may drop the PS5 bombshell (late 2018).

    • efnet

      Lol already talking about ps5

    • lol already trembling ?

    • efnet

      Lol why on earth would i be trembling???
      That makes absolutely no sense lol

    • Holeybartender

      At PS4 and Xbox One’s launch they were already talking about 4k and look what happened 3 years after that,the PS4 Pro and Scorpio were revealed. PS5 will be in 2020.

    • LifeOnMars

      The thing is, that Sony does not need a PS5. Microsoft needs Scorpio

    • kma99

      Sony doesn’t need a ps pro yet they made one lol. Yeah that make sense

    • LifeOnMars

      It makes perfect sense to release the pro.It was put their to snuff out the Scorpio’s chances of survival, and think it might just do that.

    • kma99

      Lol. You actually believe that lol. The pro hasn’t even sold a million units yet so i dont see it snuffing out anything lol

    • LifeOnMars

      Scorpio has not sold any consols at all.Sony can’t keep uk demand for PS4 Pro has been out of stock since Xmas at Amazon UK.

    • kma99

      And when did i say anything about Scorpio sales? You can walk into any store in the US and pick up a pro. Best buy has stacks of them so stop trying to convince me of this shortage.

    • LifeOnMars

      So sorry although Trump may say it .America is not the world.

    • Gamez Rule

      As well as GAME / Tesco / Currys, etc. And as soon as they become available they sell out straight away.

    • Luke Skywalker

      so you’re saying sony will be able to save over $80 (60 reduction + cost of bundle) AND make a profit in just 1 year of availability in market?

    • LifeOnMars

      The PS4 with a price cut will still be sold at a profit, one year on after launch, component prices cost less and consoles have a price cut.
      There will be no need for Sony to rush release the true next gen PS5 as Scorpio will not make much of a dent in PS4 sales. I think will will see a PS4 Pro slim 2018 and PS5 late 2019.

    • Luke Skywalker

      I appreciate that you went and thought about it and clearly see that a ps5 2018 release isn’t the wisest of thoughts seeing that their upgraded ps4pro console would only be a year old. I agree with a late 2019/2020 release. If Microsoft holds their 4 year cycle then they’d have a new release in 2021. so it begs the question will sony hold out until 2021 and try to upstage Microsoft on specs, excusives and brand?
      or will they launch early (2019) but lose a crap ton of people when the next xbox launch with vastly more powerful hardware 2 years later?

    • Holeybartender

      Naw,2020 will be the year of the PS5.Also,when have you known Sony to price drop the PS4 because of what Microsoft is doing? Bundles are more than likely going to be the case.

    • Holeybartender

      Sony didn’t price drop until a full year after Microsoft did so why would they need to? If the Scorpio is more than the PS4 Pro at launch why would they need to then also? Sony price drops when the time is right and since these consoles are considered mid-cycle upgrades I can’t see that happening until a year after Scorpio releases. If the lifespan of this generation of console is going to be 6 years as expected then it’s almost a guarantee we will see a PS5 coming to fruition by 2020 with the PS4 Pro price drop a year before.

    • Luke Skywalker

      in 2014 Microsoft removed the Kinect requirement which ultimately split the console creating 2 skus. the base sku was sold at 400 while the full sku was sold at 500. this is technically not a price drop but that they removed a bundled peripheral.
      A real price drop came in 2015 around E3 when the xbox price was lowered to $350 (without Kinect) and 450 (with Kinect). Sony lowered their price about 2 or 3 months after that.

      unless sony makes enough money through base ps4 sales + the royalties from games sales to balance out whatever early losses they might encounter from a ps4pro price drop then it can be done.

    • LifeOnMars

      Cool a price drop it is then.

  • Gamez Rule

    See thing is by the time Scorpio gets released ( late 2017 ) this gen could be classed as getting old hat by gamers and a new gen could be started within a year or two of Scorpio’s release ( 2019 as example ) so IMO that idea could go against the MS console sales.

    Sony will drop the PS4 prices again, and then PS4-Pro will see a price drop OR come with an extra controller & a games bundle with a slight price drop just to make people happy with their purchase.

    Think of it like this.. Most people use PS4 this gen, then out comes a new Xbone Scorpio priced £400-£500 while PS4-Pro is at £250-£300 do people really believe that people will support Scorpio more than any PS4? Most people are playing the PS4 nowadays and until a new gen gets started I really can’t see MS selling the Scorpio like they want too.

    • Luke Skywalker

      I guess we’ll see how things turn out later on in the year. I can see bundles, but a perma price cut at that time would be pretty much selling at margin or at a loss.
      – I believe xbox gamers will upgrade asap when scorpio launches, it’s just a matter of how many gamers Microsoft can take back. the gamers that went ps because of performance I believe will buy a scorpio at some point. 
      (buys cheap ps4 for their exclusives + buys scorpio for the multiplats).

    • Gamez Rule

      A powerful hardware console with no exclusives is really hard to sell at any price let alone set at a higher price than other consoles on the market which offer more game support for less cost. This is another reason MS Scorpio could be a white elephant when compared to PS4-Pro that already has more game support as well as VR support.

      Why does PS4 still outsell PS4-Pro? So why do some people think Scorpio will outsell Xbone?

      I believe although the new console will sell, it will still move less hardware than Xbone/s as PS4 does with PS4-Pro.

    • Luke Skywalker

      a powerful hardware that plays muliplats better won’t really be a hard sell, it might be more expensive but I doubt it’d be much.
      it’s a hard fact that gamers buy more multiplatform games than they do exclusives. lets not try to fool ourselves and act as if exclusives is the be-all-end-all of a console’s success as a matter of fact the ps4 doesn’t have that much, roughly 15 in all. if exclusives were what kept gamers then none would fail, they all would sell in astronomical numbers.

      sure the ps4/pro will still sell but I believe the scorpio will sell well too. there’s a ton of xbox gamers looking to upgrade for various reasons, 1 being the power deficit and jeering they’ve endured for the past 3 years.

      the ps4pro is selling at a rate of less than 16% to the base ps4. I believe the xbox scorpio will do a much better number than that.
      you shouldn’t try to use what is happening to the pro as some sort of indication of what will happen to scorpio because their audiences are quite different. anyway, not much people see the viability in the pro, but xbox gamers are looking for more power. what i’m saying is that the xbox will have much more demand and hype behind it and that will push it forward at a much rapid pace.

      a lot of people are looking to trade in/sell asap…suddenly a $500 console becomes $300 to $350 depending on what’s being traded in/sold. if it’s launched at a price less than that then even better for them and their consumers.

    • Mark

      Awhile back I posted how crazy Nintendo WiiU exclusives sell; it has like 6 exclusives that push more than 5m! Now to me, if there ever was an argument that claims said system is being bought because of its exclusives, Nintendo takes that debate home. But for X1 and PS4, I’m seeing way lower numbers, and that’s on a much larger install base.

    • theduckofdeath

      You make good points. I’m someone who is always looking for better performance, and will pay for it. My multi-platform gaming is done overwhelmingly on PC. Console exclusives (not on PC) are played on an XB1. The specs were disappointing at launch (as were those of PS4, to a lesser extent) and I would welcome the Scorpio. Much of it’s punch is undermined by my PC, yet there is still get utility in my case. The XB1 would end up at my parents house so I no longer have to travel with it on holidays.

      People need to consider the power/performance differential between XB1 and Scorpio versus PS4 and PS4-Pro. Even if Scorpio’s pricing exceeds $399, the console could be the XBOX option for a greater percentage of customers, perhaps coming close to XB1 sales in time. Many potential buyers have not joined the generation or have a PS4, and in time grow curious. Yes, MS have to expand the exclusive library and bring distinct, tangible & practical features to Scorpio. Identifiable utility in bounds will attract a wide variety of customers.

    • Holeybartender

      PS5 will more than likely release,or at the very least revealed,by 2020. The bundle is your better bet by 2019.

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  • Holeybartender

    If it’s $500 then they are dead on arrival,it’ll be the Xbox One launch all over again.

    I highly doubt they will be able to justify $200 more than the current Xbox S when you aren’t getting much more for it. Anyone with knowledge knows 6 teraflops is not capable of native 4k gaming and at a minimum will still be upscaled like the PS4 Pro,just a little better but without the pre-rendering tricks. $400 puts it on par with PS4 Pro and brings it’s own kinda extra much like the Xbox One S with a 4k player in it did compared to the PS4 Slim. With 26 million Xbox One’s sold,10 million sold by holiday 2017 (a big if there because you can’t ignore the lull in PS4 sales before Pro hit,same could happen to Microsoft) and maybe 5 million Scorpio sold during the first few months of release, Sony will still come on top by the end of 2017.

    I also don’t see the PS4 Pro dropping in price by the time Scorpio arrives as it’s not Sony’s style to do so. Sony didn’t price drop a full year after Microsoft did because they were on top and they will remain on top atleast on into 2018.

    • theduckofdeath

      Sony could do a $50 off sale on PS4 Pro at holiday 2017. Considering the power differential and bad press surrounding this gen’s launch, MS could have done an XB1 SKU at $350 w/o Kinect. Cementing a pack-in that adds $100-150 who’s utility, reliability and desirability was questionable at best was a huge mistake. The policy changes intended for XB1’s launch were obviously suicidal, and I don’t know how the team went with them. Perhaps it was under duress. Options should have been made available for all potential customers.

    • Holeybartender

      Well we know retailers will have all kinds of bundles and sales so Sony doesn’t have to.

  • Mr Xrat

    Of course it shouldn’t, that’s basic common sense. Philly made his promises to appease a nasty fanbase so now he has to meet them though.

  • Riggybro

    It’ll be $399 or less easy.

    Honestly, I know Uncle Phil is using some clever marketing speak but in late 2017/2018 the 6 TF GPU he is promising is not really that expensive or cutting edge in the greater scheme of things. And the CPU will just be cut back laptop processor nice and cheap – gets the job done.
    Look at what the Pro can do with a mobile phone CPU and 4.2 TF and thats not far off Phil’s magical “4K” (and is at the good price).

    So yeah Scorpio will hit 4K/30fps graphics mid setting and be $399 or under. No biggie.
    However… will it sell well outside of ♏️ brand loyalists? Hmmm I think there may be issues with their marketing and exclusives for consumers outside the US.

  • LifeOnMars

    I would choose PS4 slim over the Xbox one S every time (better graphics, better exclusives and more games also VR compatible. ).
    Scorpio does not exist for another 10 months. (Still no games available )


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