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	Comments on: AMD: Calling PS4 And Xbox One “PCs In A Box” Is Patently Untrue	</title>
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		By: Dan		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-202424</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200849&quot;&gt;Matt&lt;/a&gt;.

No $400 PC bought new is going to come close to the power of a new $400 
PS4 (which includes a $50 Dualshock4 controller). To build your own PC 
you will need nearer $900, or &#062;$1000 from a manufacturer. A recent 
Steam survey show the vast majority of PC gamers have PC rigs which are 
much less powerful than the next gen consoles. So just ignore the 
trolling from PC Elitists.]]></description>
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<p>No $400 PC bought new is going to come close to the power of a new $400<br />
PS4 (which includes a $50 Dualshock4 controller). To build your own PC<br />
you will need nearer $900, or &gt;$1000 from a manufacturer. A recent<br />
Steam survey show the vast majority of PC gamers have PC rigs which are<br />
much less powerful than the next gen consoles. So just ignore the<br />
trolling from PC Elitists.</p>
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		By: Abba Okoro		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-201095</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abba Okoro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-201048&quot;&gt;Matt&lt;/a&gt;.

DX is for Windows Derp]]></description>
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<p>DX is for Windows Derp</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-201048</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 07:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-201039&quot;&gt;Abba Okoro&lt;/a&gt;.

Why did you link me to that OXM article? 

There&#039;s almost no difference in the capabilities of DX11 vs OpenGL 4.x. DX has built in optimizations that anyone coding for OpenGL would have to write themselves taking up development time. OpenGL works faster in certain area&#039;s on PC but the DX version being used in the XB1 will be optimized for one set of specs instead of having to go through a universal layer. There&#039;s no real benefit in favor of either API.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-201039">Abba Okoro</a>.</p>
<p>Why did you link me to that OXM article? </p>
<p>There&#8217;s almost no difference in the capabilities of DX11 vs OpenGL 4.x. DX has built in optimizations that anyone coding for OpenGL would have to write themselves taking up development time. OpenGL works faster in certain area&#8217;s on PC but the DX version being used in the XB1 will be optimized for one set of specs instead of having to go through a universal layer. There&#8217;s no real benefit in favor of either API.</p>
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		By: Abba Okoro		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-201039</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abba Okoro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200843&quot;&gt;Matt&lt;/a&gt;.

Yup LOL Corporate slave downplaying shit again 

http://www.oxm.co.uk/58919/will-it-be-easier-to-port-from-pc-to-xbox-one-yes-and-no-says-microsoft/



HAVASEAT]]></description>
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<p>Yup LOL Corporate slave downplaying shit again </p>
<p><a href="http://www.oxm.co.uk/58919/will-it-be-easier-to-port-from-pc-to-xbox-one-yes-and-no-says-microsoft/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.oxm.co.uk/58919/will-it-be-easier-to-port-from-pc-to-xbox-one-yes-and-no-says-microsoft/</a></p>
<p>HAVASEAT</p>
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		By: Axe99		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200854</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Axe99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200849&quot;&gt;Matt&lt;/a&gt;.

Totally agree, but if I had a dollar for every time I&#039;d seen a PC fanboy post that on message boards, it&#039;d cover the cost of a PS4 and XB1 ;).]]></description>
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<p>Totally agree, but if I had a dollar for every time I&#8217;d seen a PC fanboy post that on message boards, it&#8217;d cover the cost of a PS4 and XB1 ;).</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200850</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200847&quot;&gt;Axe99&lt;/a&gt;.

Haha... the CPU in the PS4 and XB1 was specifically designed for tablets by AMD. Is that bad... not really, considering the computations per watt with is really what matters with consoles. Video games don&#039;t require that much CPU power and  it&#039;s all benchmarks for PC anyways but as time goes on it might be more beneficial in terms of AI or Physics but games are looking to be tied more towards the GPU than the Cpu in the long run... There&#039;s no telling the future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200847">Axe99</a>.</p>
<p>Haha&#8230; the CPU in the PS4 and XB1 was specifically designed for tablets by AMD. Is that bad&#8230; not really, considering the computations per watt with is really what matters with consoles. Video games don&#8217;t require that much CPU power and  it&#8217;s all benchmarks for PC anyways but as time goes on it might be more beneficial in terms of AI or Physics but games are looking to be tied more towards the GPU than the Cpu in the long run&#8230; There&#8217;s no telling the future.</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200849</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200848&quot;&gt;Axe99&lt;/a&gt;.

You can&#039;t build a $400 PC that will outdo the PS4... that&#039;s the main point of the consoles. I would gladly throw out that amount for that power even as a PC enthusiast... you&#039;d be stupid to think otherwise for the next couple of years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200848">Axe99</a>.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t build a $400 PC that will outdo the PS4&#8230; that&#8217;s the main point of the consoles. I would gladly throw out that amount for that power even as a PC enthusiast&#8230; you&#8217;d be stupid to think otherwise for the next couple of years.</p>
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		By: Axe99		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200848</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Axe99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200845&quot;&gt;Matt&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m not sure how easy they&#039;ll be to hack, per se - that depends a lot on the operating system and finickity things in the hardware I don&#039;t know enough to comment on ;).  But totally agree with what you say.  You find some &quot;PC Master Race&quot; types talking about how you could build a machine with equivalent parts for $400 so why buy a console, and that&#039;s what I think he&#039;s addressing (as you can&#039;t in any event, and even if you could there&#039;s no way you&#039;d get console-equivalent performance).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200845">Matt</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how easy they&#8217;ll be to hack, per se &#8211; that depends a lot on the operating system and finickity things in the hardware I don&#8217;t know enough to comment on ;).  But totally agree with what you say.  You find some &#8220;PC Master Race&#8221; types talking about how you could build a machine with equivalent parts for $400 so why buy a console, and that&#8217;s what I think he&#8217;s addressing (as you can&#8217;t in any event, and even if you could there&#8217;s no way you&#8217;d get console-equivalent performance).</p>
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		By: Axe99		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Axe99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200844&quot;&gt;Matt&lt;/a&gt;.

Totally agree in terms of performance, but most PC games are GPU-limited rather than CPU-limited at the moment, so pushing the resources to relatively more powerful GPUs in the console design looks sensible at the moment (I&#039;ve got an i7 3770 in my PC, and it doesn&#039;t work up a sweat, it&#039;s the GTX 660 that&#039;s the main limiting factor in terms of performance).


But the disagree was that it&#039;s going to give tablet/laptop performance in a gaming sense - you&#039;ll get far better than that from next-gen consoles, at least around launch - most of the examples we&#039;ve seen of next-gen games in action compare favourably with all but the highest-end PCs (with the exception of BF4 on PS4 seen at Gamescom, but I&#039;d wager this is unoptimised code).  I still think it was wittily put :).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200844">Matt</a>.</p>
<p>Totally agree in terms of performance, but most PC games are GPU-limited rather than CPU-limited at the moment, so pushing the resources to relatively more powerful GPUs in the console design looks sensible at the moment (I&#8217;ve got an i7 3770 in my PC, and it doesn&#8217;t work up a sweat, it&#8217;s the GTX 660 that&#8217;s the main limiting factor in terms of performance).</p>
<p>But the disagree was that it&#8217;s going to give tablet/laptop performance in a gaming sense &#8211; you&#8217;ll get far better than that from next-gen consoles, at least around launch &#8211; most of the examples we&#8217;ve seen of next-gen games in action compare favourably with all but the highest-end PCs (with the exception of BF4 on PS4 seen at Gamescom, but I&#8217;d wager this is unoptimised code).  I still think it was wittily put :).</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200823&quot;&gt;Axe99&lt;/a&gt;.

x86 is the basic language coders know... what I see from next gen are completely hackable systems without any force fields at all. I mean it saves both Sony and microsoft resources in accepting that fact since both the PS3 and Xbox 360 were unable to thwart the efforts of hackers regardless of the massive amounts of effort put into preventing it. The real effort will be in the firmware for the online functionality just the way it is now which is pretty effective just as long as it&#039;s constantly being updated... I&#039;m not biased at all but being honest there can&#039;t be any direct comparisons with current desktop cards considering there are no APU&#039;s that can compete with whats in the PS4 (it&#039;s the most powerful between XB1/PS4). The direct communication between the CPU and GPU are what the main points of interest are in consoles but PC&#039;s are capable of out powering that advantage depending on the tech in your computer... Consoles will be able to keep up but PC will ultimately retain the graphics crown overall.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/amd-calling-ps4-and-xbox-one-pcs-in-a-box-is-patently-untrue#comment-200823">Axe99</a>.</p>
<p>x86 is the basic language coders know&#8230; what I see from next gen are completely hackable systems without any force fields at all. I mean it saves both Sony and microsoft resources in accepting that fact since both the PS3 and Xbox 360 were unable to thwart the efforts of hackers regardless of the massive amounts of effort put into preventing it. The real effort will be in the firmware for the online functionality just the way it is now which is pretty effective just as long as it&#8217;s constantly being updated&#8230; I&#8217;m not biased at all but being honest there can&#8217;t be any direct comparisons with current desktop cards considering there are no APU&#8217;s that can compete with whats in the PS4 (it&#8217;s the most powerful between XB1/PS4). The direct communication between the CPU and GPU are what the main points of interest are in consoles but PC&#8217;s are capable of out powering that advantage depending on the tech in your computer&#8230; Consoles will be able to keep up but PC will ultimately retain the graphics crown overall.</p>
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