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		By: Burnz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Burnz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 06:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I smell BS. There were script leaks around a year ago. This was planned. I feel like throwing up on the computer screen I&#039;m so disgusted.]]></description>
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		By: Dean		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/bioware-mass-effect-3-dlc-was-created-after-the-main-game#comment-125366</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 02:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Taking into account everything that Bioware has said, this is still the argument:  

Day One DLC is acceptable if it is COSMETIC in nature.  We are well aware that the debugging process is lengthy and that the Art team has nothing to do during that time, so it&#039;s a great outlet for them and helps support a segment of game development that gamers take for granted.

That being said, the content of this DLC is not cosmetic.  It has implications on the story.  It introduces a character that could have drastic effects on the continuity of the ME Universe.  This is content that, had this been ANY OTHER ERA in Video Gaming, would have been included in the finished game for no extra charge.  That makes this move unacceptable, because it is blatantly disrespectful to their audience.

It doesn&#039;t matter if the development team created this content during the debugging phase; it was completed with enough time to be included in release.  Bioware can tell us all they want that it&#039;s not necessary content for the gamer to have; it is absolutely necessary, and they know it.  They know how gamers think, and they&#039;re taking advantage of consumer psychology for the sole purpose of profit.

You can&#039;t argue that this supports the production crew.  Below-the-line workers don&#039;t get paid in residuals; they are salaried employees.  The only people this supports are the investors at the top.  They are the producers who sunk their money into the product, and they are the ones who receive the returns.  

Think of it like Vegas - you&#039;re a guy who walks in to a casino, sits down at a Blackjack table and bets $50 Million Dollars on a single hand.  Now obviously, you can&#039;t guarantee that you&#039;ll win, and that&#039;s scary.  So what can you do?  You can either develop skill and talent and trust in it when you take the risk, or you can do everything in your power beforehand to stack the deck in your favor and make sure you win before you even gamble. 

The former is called Hard Work; the latter is called Cheating.  Think about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking into account everything that Bioware has said, this is still the argument:  </p>
<p>Day One DLC is acceptable if it is COSMETIC in nature.  We are well aware that the debugging process is lengthy and that the Art team has nothing to do during that time, so it&#8217;s a great outlet for them and helps support a segment of game development that gamers take for granted.</p>
<p>That being said, the content of this DLC is not cosmetic.  It has implications on the story.  It introduces a character that could have drastic effects on the continuity of the ME Universe.  This is content that, had this been ANY OTHER ERA in Video Gaming, would have been included in the finished game for no extra charge.  That makes this move unacceptable, because it is blatantly disrespectful to their audience.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if the development team created this content during the debugging phase; it was completed with enough time to be included in release.  Bioware can tell us all they want that it&#8217;s not necessary content for the gamer to have; it is absolutely necessary, and they know it.  They know how gamers think, and they&#8217;re taking advantage of consumer psychology for the sole purpose of profit.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t argue that this supports the production crew.  Below-the-line workers don&#8217;t get paid in residuals; they are salaried employees.  The only people this supports are the investors at the top.  They are the producers who sunk their money into the product, and they are the ones who receive the returns.  </p>
<p>Think of it like Vegas &#8211; you&#8217;re a guy who walks in to a casino, sits down at a Blackjack table and bets $50 Million Dollars on a single hand.  Now obviously, you can&#8217;t guarantee that you&#8217;ll win, and that&#8217;s scary.  So what can you do?  You can either develop skill and talent and trust in it when you take the risk, or you can do everything in your power beforehand to stack the deck in your favor and make sure you win before you even gamble. </p>
<p>The former is called Hard Work; the latter is called Cheating.  Think about it.</p>
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		By: Drew		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/bioware-mass-effect-3-dlc-was-created-after-the-main-game#comment-125363</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 02:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is very justified. They told everyone a year ago there was gonna be a secret character. So WE ALL KNEW there was Day 1 DLC being made. Nobody said shit the entire time, but once people learned the character was a Prothean they wanted to start crying and saying &quot;We are entitled to this character&quot;. So honestly if you&#039;re waiting now to speak up then you should just stay quiet. You aren&#039;t getting the character for free. Even us people with the CE have to pay for it so why are you so damn mad? Pay the $10 or don&#039;t. If you do, great, enjoy the extra content. If you don&#039;t then that&#039;s ok too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very justified. They told everyone a year ago there was gonna be a secret character. So WE ALL KNEW there was Day 1 DLC being made. Nobody said shit the entire time, but once people learned the character was a Prothean they wanted to start crying and saying &#8220;We are entitled to this character&#8221;. So honestly if you&#8217;re waiting now to speak up then you should just stay quiet. You aren&#8217;t getting the character for free. Even us people with the CE have to pay for it so why are you so damn mad? Pay the $10 or don&#8217;t. If you do, great, enjoy the extra content. If you don&#8217;t then that&#8217;s ok too.</p>
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		By: Joe Bold		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/bioware-mass-effect-3-dlc-was-created-after-the-main-game#comment-125353</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Bold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 22:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would have no problem with this DLC if it wouldn&#039;t be a Character that has a big meaning to the myth that was build up over the last two titles all around the Protheans and their extinction. The Mass Effect games so far dealt with Reapers and Protheans and how they vanished the last time the Reapers hit the galaxy. And now they introduce this living Prothean Char that can and probably will shed light on all this dust around this myth but instead of making it a free DLC for everyone they charge for it, except the CE and DD buyers.

If it would be a Character as meaningless to the core lore like Zaeed Massani or Kasumi Goto from ME2, nobody would mind, but this is just unacceptable.

I can recommend this Youtube Video from TotalBiscuit where he describes the Problem pretty well: http://youtu.be/Ri0vrJ-y2zM

The fact that Bioware made it a secret that it is this specific Char, everybody knew about pretty soon after they first announced the game, whom they now charge for a overpriced DLC all none CE and DD buyers, that is just outrageous. This is badly prepared. As this tactic now is in place they can&#039;t just change it to a free DLC because that would upset the &quot;CE&quot; and DD owners and they would cry for compensation. Can&#039;t believe Bioware did such a stupid &quot;mistake&quot;. -.-

Besides, the so called CE is just a joke from a real collector person&#039;s point of view and they should have named it Special Phsysical Fan Edition or somethin&#039; like that and it shouldn&#039;t be limited, because as they said: &quot;the version many fans would be likely to purchase&quot;. No real collector gives a shit about the digital bonuses and the real physical items are just mainstream BS. The art book for instance that will be provided with the ME3 &quot;CE&quot; is phenomenally small compared to other big titles and only filled with 70 pages of content that are half of a A4 sheet in size and so it is also not worth buying - For comparison the Skyrim art book has over 200 A4 sized pages of art content, as has the WoW art book and the Age of Conan art book has over 120 A4 sized pages.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have no problem with this DLC if it wouldn&#8217;t be a Character that has a big meaning to the myth that was build up over the last two titles all around the Protheans and their extinction. The Mass Effect games so far dealt with Reapers and Protheans and how they vanished the last time the Reapers hit the galaxy. And now they introduce this living Prothean Char that can and probably will shed light on all this dust around this myth but instead of making it a free DLC for everyone they charge for it, except the CE and DD buyers.</p>
<p>If it would be a Character as meaningless to the core lore like Zaeed Massani or Kasumi Goto from ME2, nobody would mind, but this is just unacceptable.</p>
<p>I can recommend this Youtube Video from TotalBiscuit where he describes the Problem pretty well: <a href="http://youtu.be/Ri0vrJ-y2zM" rel="nofollow ugc">http://youtu.be/Ri0vrJ-y2zM</a></p>
<p>The fact that Bioware made it a secret that it is this specific Char, everybody knew about pretty soon after they first announced the game, whom they now charge for a overpriced DLC all none CE and DD buyers, that is just outrageous. This is badly prepared. As this tactic now is in place they can&#8217;t just change it to a free DLC because that would upset the &#8220;CE&#8221; and DD owners and they would cry for compensation. Can&#8217;t believe Bioware did such a stupid &#8220;mistake&#8221;. -.-</p>
<p>Besides, the so called CE is just a joke from a real collector person&#8217;s point of view and they should have named it Special Phsysical Fan Edition or somethin&#8217; like that and it shouldn&#8217;t be limited, because as they said: &#8220;the version many fans would be likely to purchase&#8221;. No real collector gives a shit about the digital bonuses and the real physical items are just mainstream BS. The art book for instance that will be provided with the ME3 &#8220;CE&#8221; is phenomenally small compared to other big titles and only filled with 70 pages of content that are half of a A4 sheet in size and so it is also not worth buying &#8211; For comparison the Skyrim art book has over 200 A4 sized pages of art content, as has the WoW art book and the Age of Conan art book has over 120 A4 sized pages.</p>
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		By: Daniel		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/bioware-mass-effect-3-dlc-was-created-after-the-main-game#comment-125349</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just not going to buy any EA products until they pull their heads out of their asses and listen to their consumer base]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just not going to buy any EA products until they pull their heads out of their asses and listen to their consumer base</p>
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		By: MasterOrSlave		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/bioware-mass-effect-3-dlc-was-created-after-the-main-game#comment-125339</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MasterOrSlave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s pure Damage control from Bioware,]]></description>
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		By: Daren		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/bioware-mass-effect-3-dlc-was-created-after-the-main-game#comment-125335</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey guys i hate how this is going as well but honestly stop bitching about it. if day 1 keeps the people who make the games we love away from the unemployment line then hell yea by all means go ahead. it keeps the people who worked on the earlier stages of the game working and secures their jobs. more people are going to buy it than not no matter what you do. and if this was made during the certification stage of the main game, what in the world makes you think that they can just add it on? that just restarts the certification process which means a delay that is completely unnecessary. Also why would they give it away for free? that&#039;s like your boss (assuming you have a job) called you in to work an extra day every week for a month but didn&#039;t pay you for your time. would you want that? no you wouldn&#039;t. dose this whole thing suck? Fuck yea it dose, and I&#039;m annoyed by it thoroughly. but that just it . . . I&#039;m annoyed.

This kind of act isn&#039;t going to end unless you the vast majority of people chose to not buy the game or its DLC, and lets all be freaking honest with each other here, more then half you guys who are talking shit on here are still going to buy the game and its dlc. so stop bitching about it. (its not appealing to the opposite sex when you do that.(the bitching thing is their job.(I would like to formally say that i am sorry for the rude remarkes made about women in this post, not all of them bitch allot.(but many of you gamers make up for them i guess huh?))

P.S. If you down vote enough times you might get to see me still not give a shit about down votes.(unless you have a new argument other then the generic &quot;EA is evil!!&quot; &quot;BioWare is corrupt!!&quot; &quot;All they care about if getting more of my fucking money!!! and I&#039;m going to completely gloss over the fact that they are a business and that kindda the whole point in making a business in a vastly growing industry in the first place!!!!&quot; &quot;LIBBY DA! LIBBY DA! LITTY DA! DA! DA!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys i hate how this is going as well but honestly stop bitching about it. if day 1 keeps the people who make the games we love away from the unemployment line then hell yea by all means go ahead. it keeps the people who worked on the earlier stages of the game working and secures their jobs. more people are going to buy it than not no matter what you do. and if this was made during the certification stage of the main game, what in the world makes you think that they can just add it on? that just restarts the certification process which means a delay that is completely unnecessary. Also why would they give it away for free? that&#8217;s like your boss (assuming you have a job) called you in to work an extra day every week for a month but didn&#8217;t pay you for your time. would you want that? no you wouldn&#8217;t. dose this whole thing suck? Fuck yea it dose, and I&#8217;m annoyed by it thoroughly. but that just it . . . I&#8217;m annoyed.</p>
<p>This kind of act isn&#8217;t going to end unless you the vast majority of people chose to not buy the game or its DLC, and lets all be freaking honest with each other here, more then half you guys who are talking shit on here are still going to buy the game and its dlc. so stop bitching about it. (its not appealing to the opposite sex when you do that.(the bitching thing is their job.(I would like to formally say that i am sorry for the rude remarkes made about women in this post, not all of them bitch allot.(but many of you gamers make up for them i guess huh?))</p>
<p>P.S. If you down vote enough times you might get to see me still not give a shit about down votes.(unless you have a new argument other then the generic &#8220;EA is evil!!&#8221; &#8220;BioWare is corrupt!!&#8221; &#8220;All they care about if getting more of my fucking money!!! and I&#8217;m going to completely gloss over the fact that they are a business and that kindda the whole point in making a business in a vastly growing industry in the first place!!!!&#8221; &#8220;LIBBY DA! LIBBY DA! LITTY DA! DA! DA!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Travis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Travis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Only real problem is that this is a Prothean and another Zaeed/Kasumi. More of any other alien race would be fine. Just not a Prothean.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only real problem is that this is a Prothean and another Zaeed/Kasumi. More of any other alien race would be fine. Just not a Prothean.</p>
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		By: Kael		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/bioware-mass-effect-3-dlc-was-created-after-the-main-game#comment-125318</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course its justifiable. You can not just simply add content to a game at will, their is a huge process of review, testing, manufacturing recall (games are not in-store but they are being created and shipped). Because DLC does not require a hard copy, it is much easier for them to debug in the time period after a game &quot;is gold&quot; to the launch, since updating it is much easier. 
I also don&#039;t see how it is an incomplete game, the DLC is almost entirely cosmetic besides a companion and 2 side missions (when there are already hundreds in-game). We don&#039;t even know how involved the character is, it could simply be a npc in the vanilla game that you still interact with. People are jumping to conclusions and using illogical thoughts without understanding how a game is created and reviewed for release. It is not a two step process that takes a day, it takes weeks. This stuff is extra content made after the games completion, if they gave it out free it would mean that they aren&#039;t truly getting paid for their work. 
Not to mention that this is in no way Bioware or EAs fault. This is the state of the market, a state that we the consumer allowed to happen. People call for boycotts and get involved only when this occurs with a major game, but it happens all the time. Boycotting one game will not change anything (see BF3, we boycotted and it changed only that one game), if you really hate this policy, boycott all games that have it, make an uproar to all those developers and publishers. Everyone is so quick to jump on the TB bandwagon because he is respected in the community, but in this case (and in the past) he has made very grievous errors, didn&#039;t do the research he normally does, and made blatant generalizations and used fallacy to create his major argument. It is not something of his normal standards and he should take a closer look, as should all the people that just blindly follow his word.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course its justifiable. You can not just simply add content to a game at will, their is a huge process of review, testing, manufacturing recall (games are not in-store but they are being created and shipped). Because DLC does not require a hard copy, it is much easier for them to debug in the time period after a game &#8220;is gold&#8221; to the launch, since updating it is much easier.<br />
I also don&#8217;t see how it is an incomplete game, the DLC is almost entirely cosmetic besides a companion and 2 side missions (when there are already hundreds in-game). We don&#8217;t even know how involved the character is, it could simply be a npc in the vanilla game that you still interact with. People are jumping to conclusions and using illogical thoughts without understanding how a game is created and reviewed for release. It is not a two step process that takes a day, it takes weeks. This stuff is extra content made after the games completion, if they gave it out free it would mean that they aren&#8217;t truly getting paid for their work.<br />
Not to mention that this is in no way Bioware or EAs fault. This is the state of the market, a state that we the consumer allowed to happen. People call for boycotts and get involved only when this occurs with a major game, but it happens all the time. Boycotting one game will not change anything (see BF3, we boycotted and it changed only that one game), if you really hate this policy, boycott all games that have it, make an uproar to all those developers and publishers. Everyone is so quick to jump on the TB bandwagon because he is respected in the community, but in this case (and in the past) he has made very grievous errors, didn&#8217;t do the research he normally does, and made blatant generalizations and used fallacy to create his major argument. It is not something of his normal standards and he should take a closer look, as should all the people that just blindly follow his word.</p>
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		By: adouchebag		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/bioware-mass-effect-3-dlc-was-created-after-the-main-game#comment-125316</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adouchebag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the content that has everyone so angry you rubes.  For those of you that don&#039;t know, the From Ashes DLC provides us with a new squad mate--a Prothean.  Yes, one of the most mysterious and integral races of the ME universe can be a member of your squad, with backstory and extra information to help flesh out the entire trilogy.  Bioware, you are withholding a crucial aspect of the entire saga hostage, and forcing us to shell out an extra $10 so we can get the ENTIRE story.

Look, as far as DLC goes, important plot developments are unacceptable.  You want to give us DLC?  Fine, give us new outfits, new gun skins, music packs--you can&#039;t look at World of Warcraft and tell me that people won&#039;t pay out the nose for unique armors and helmets for our squads.  Give us COSMETIC DLCs, don&#039;t ripe parts of the narrative out and say, &quot;To be continued...for one easy payment of $9.99.&quot;  That&#039;s like ripping a chapter out of a new novel and offering it to us as a DLC, and then saying, &quot;Well, the book was already finished, and we worked on this extra chapter while they were proofreading it.&quot;  None of us upset over this shady cash grab practice you guys are employing are going to be appeased by your lame diatribe up there--WE know it&#039;s wrong, YOU know it&#039;s wrong.  How about showing a little respect and appreciation for those of us that have been lining your pockets since the first ME came out, instead of trying to blackmail us into giving you more.

I will not be purchasing this game if the current business practice stands.  Heck, I&#039;ll go one better--I WILL buy it, but I&#039;ll buy it used from Gamestop so you guys don&#039;t see one red cent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the content that has everyone so angry you rubes.  For those of you that don&#8217;t know, the From Ashes DLC provides us with a new squad mate&#8211;a Prothean.  Yes, one of the most mysterious and integral races of the ME universe can be a member of your squad, with backstory and extra information to help flesh out the entire trilogy.  Bioware, you are withholding a crucial aspect of the entire saga hostage, and forcing us to shell out an extra $10 so we can get the ENTIRE story.</p>
<p>Look, as far as DLC goes, important plot developments are unacceptable.  You want to give us DLC?  Fine, give us new outfits, new gun skins, music packs&#8211;you can&#8217;t look at World of Warcraft and tell me that people won&#8217;t pay out the nose for unique armors and helmets for our squads.  Give us COSMETIC DLCs, don&#8217;t ripe parts of the narrative out and say, &#8220;To be continued&#8230;for one easy payment of $9.99.&#8221;  That&#8217;s like ripping a chapter out of a new novel and offering it to us as a DLC, and then saying, &#8220;Well, the book was already finished, and we worked on this extra chapter while they were proofreading it.&#8221;  None of us upset over this shady cash grab practice you guys are employing are going to be appeased by your lame diatribe up there&#8211;WE know it&#8217;s wrong, YOU know it&#8217;s wrong.  How about showing a little respect and appreciation for those of us that have been lining your pockets since the first ME came out, instead of trying to blackmail us into giving you more.</p>
<p>I will not be purchasing this game if the current business practice stands.  Heck, I&#8217;ll go one better&#8211;I WILL buy it, but I&#8217;ll buy it used from Gamestop so you guys don&#8217;t see one red cent.</p>
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