no i did this for a guy on a forum which was originally going to put a pentium G3258 in or someat and i said if you buy a system with that you may as well wipe your bum with your money and flush it down the toilet. So did him an AMD system on a budget of $500-600 which is how much the other one would of cost him and this one would be alot more capable. ive got an i7, my next build in 2 years will be £1500-2500 pending on if i shift to 4K or not. definately going 1440p though.. only got a 280x in atm but a 980 isnt powerful enough for what i want so im waiting for the 20nm AMD’s/GM200 maxwell

Shadow of mordor and evil within only require that much vram on ultra textures. using high youll be fine with 2-3GB. 2GB is more the low end. Consoles run high texture but lower settings on everything else and a weak AA implementation to keep within there ram limits.

I know what you mean about consoles ive got a PS4 to but if you want maxiumum level of graphics PC is the only choice for multiplats also i think ill be getting an Oculus Rift to which needs alot of power as consumer version maybe 1440p @ 75-90hz

So you made a 530 bucks already outdated computer, which probably won’t even be able to play all the new AAA relaeses by next year, new games like shadow of mordor and the evil within already require 3-4 GB of vram to run properly, The evil within especially require a minimium quad core intel i7 just to run on lowest settings and I doubt your AMD will be up to task, and I prefer to pay to pay 10 bucks more for a game because I won’t have to spend 200-400 dollars each year to update my computer so it’s still cheaper than a pc

Huh? A mentally handicapped 12 year old is calling me “kid”? Go back to Tumb1r, snowflake.

im in the UK to, pcpartpicker is available in multiple countries just have to change region. ive found amazon to not be good for core system components, things they can shift in high volume like drives yeah but generally, overclockers, ebuyer, aria are a few places that do good deals on core system components.

They are 2 different markets consoles and PC, with PC theres different markets to… causal gamer, gamer that wants decent gfx but doesnt want spend alot right upto hardcore enthusiast that wants the best. My next full build in 2 years from now will cost between £1500-2500 pending on if i go 4K or not but i want the best gfx and console cant give me that. well mostly in the multiplatform area… as far as the exclusives go there really not up my street i dont think. I think Uncharted 4 is going to pretty much max the system. The thing with consoles are a big part of development is to create more efficient ways of doing things and can guarantee it takes up alot of money trying to figure it out.

Consoles are good for the casual plug and play market and PS fanboys are like GPGPU gonna save everything when its really not. It has to be used cus the CPU sux.

I think Star Citizen is going to be the new benchmark for graphical fidelity, its going be insane if they get the similar levels of fidelity with the characters and environment as the ships its going blow everything away. Think its one game that really will benefit from a higher resolution like 1440p or 4K. I got a lowly 280x atm and i dont think the 980 is going be powerful enough for SC and dont want go SLI/xfire so going wait for AMD 390x and nvidias GM200

Regarding windows 10 well i think thats the only OS that support DX12 but there releasing 11.3 which includes most of the feature set of dx12 for win 8 and win 7 and only a small bit needs win10 to run

I looked on that website of yours, for cost much was actually cheaper on Amazon.

I must say I’m not American, I live in the UK and Amazon are actually one of the most competitive retailers of PC parts that a regular person can use.

The very fact that Sony are making anything off of their hardware is proof that they aren’t selling at cost, now you could argue that Sony gets parts for cheaper than you would buy PC parts at retail, but that’s a different thing entirely.

The cost of PC always has a barrier to entry that consoles get much cheaper than in time.

No one’s denying that significantly more powerful hardware is available on PC, that’s a fact, but it’s not something that console gamers on the whole largely care about.

The users that buy a console aren’t all the same as those that buy a PC to game on (there’s some overlap, but mostly they’re different camps of consumers).

That GTX 960 is actually going to retail for $249, not $200.

By this time next year PS4 will likely be below $349, it’s already £329 here in the UK and a GTX 970 costs about £260.

These new GPUs still require a reasonable CPU so as not to bottleneck them, something like an i5 or FX 8320, with the cost of those to combined you’re talking about more than the price of a PS4.

When 20nm becomes a thing in GPU hardware you’ll actually see a price increase, to cover the cost of the fab size decrease, you know because going smaller and more efficient isn’t this free thing that companies like TSMC give away for no extra cost over the last process, actually being a newer node it costs more, it’s not until later in the generation that costs will come down.

TBH a PS4 will likely be a sub $150 console in 4 years time, considering that even when PS2 was the market leader by several miles Sony dropped it’s price from $299 down to $199 in the space of 2 years.

$249 looks likely in 1-2 years from now, especially as it would have a huge impact on sales with all of the software Sony will be releasing in that time.

Now as for PS Plus vs steam, looking at the cost of the games that have already been released on PS+ it’s actually worked out much cheaper than steam.

You can do a costing yourself using this list and steam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Instant_Game_Collection_games_%28PAL_region%29#PlayStation_4

When the likes of Trine 2 cost $19.99 and you realize that just on PS4 Sony has included 20 games (PS3 has had much more than that and far better titles) it’s incredible value, that only increases as Sony offers better games.

Titles like Strider and maybe one or two other games are worth the price of entry alone.
Even at the cheapest you can buy games for on steam you can’t really match the value included with the service.

As for Windows, Windows 10 would likely be necessary to play games, 8.1 still costs $90 for the regular person who doesn’t have some special deal available to them.
You need windows to play most games, maybe that will change if a different OS takes over, which may or may not seem likely, but even without that you’re still looking at a higher price than PS4, for a system with an equivalent GPU and as time goes on developers will get more performance out of that hardware, relative to the same spec of PC, so at least a bit more hardware will be needed and that adds to the cost of entry.

Looking at the kind of games PS Plus offered to PS3 owners only a few years after launch, along with the bigger install base of PS4 in the same amount of time it’s likely better games will come much sooner.
When the likes of big PS3 exclusives like Infamous 2, LBP2 and Motorstorm came at about 2 years after the service launched and we’re already getting access to a decent amount of content from Driveclub it’s probably not far off before multiplats start to become included.

It’s a fallacy that Steam offers better value than PS Plus and because of PS Plus the saving on cost is actually still a factor.
Maybe the service won’t give you access to all of the games you could want, but for the cost of a game users get access to a full library of content.
It’s actually great value.

When your talking about outperforming the PS4 thats got nothing to do with a bluray drive thats core hardware. I dont really own any blurays or films, ive got a netflix subscription, just use that or download via nefarious ways!!!. Also people are moving towards digital content for there needs and i think i read its taking a big hit to bluray disc manufacture cus theres not as much demand for them anymore. unless youve got a bluray and a stream side by side your not going notice cus you adjust to what your seeing. Anyone whose an avid film buff aint going to use a PS4 to play a bluray on it or a PC, the person will have some insane bluray unit attatched to an amazing home cinema system and that will probably be connected to NAS to stream stuff.

You cant include mounting it on wood, because if someone did the same to a PS4 can you add the cost of that on to it to?? kb+m is extremely cheap and hdmi is like £2 is not worth adding it, well might add like extra $15-20

Sure you cant get same performance atm for $399 give it a cpl years and you might be surprised at how much more power will be going for a really low cost

Ok. Good talk. But what does that have to do with building a better running pc WITH all aspect covered that beats the 399 console? I get your point, but it hinders the build to compete. Streaming media has yet to compete against bluray quality. In order to compete, you have to be able to do all things one thing can do or better. Bluray>streaming. I whole heartedly agree that both Sony and Microsoft will release one without but, to the average consumer, this will not be successful for some years to come. People like holding what they own.
On the ps4, Apple TV, any Netflix streaming etc, if your internet goes down, you have no movies, games or music.(getting lost)
My point, if someone has to bring up competition between two physical pieces of hardware they must match. Can not nit pick and offer scraps from pc builders of ways to cut corners. We are not talking hobbiest when talking about competing products.
I am saying, for 399 you can not put a pc on your TV and have outperform a ps4.

To add, one group of guy took on the challenge. They got it to 499 but used the “old keyboard mouse laying around or find them cheap” never adding in the cost. Hdmi. Not adding the cost. Mounted it on wood never putting in the cost to cover it and os. The real build was 599 and it was a core gaming machine with no real os use(of which is a console) but, it also had no bluray and they had to warn that using the stuff they bought could be questionable on reliability.

well seeing as a bluray player is extremely cheap id probably say most people will have one, anyway, i wouldnt rely on having a console to play a film tbh. if your a student at uni or something then yeah would be good for family man the console/computer maybe kicked out of the living room anyway. a bluray drive isnt something you NEED, wouldnt surpirse me in a few years if sony release a console wihout a bluray drive especially if there seeing there digital sales business booming. For the moment a bluray drive is a NECESSITY for a console, its not for a PC though

It does when you are talking about competing products so that I can watch 3d bluray movies on my tv if I am not gaming for 399