Darth, listen to me, VGchartz numbers, are not, final, until, they are, confirmed, by a platform holder, and to a lesser extent, NPD, SuperData, and a few others who cover specific regions and POS transactions. Therefore, therefore, any other sales source, shows estimates, can be way off, can be close, but regardless, it is an ESTIMATE.

And yeah it is speculation, because u don’t know the full picture, but u have REASONS, to come to a conclusion. In many cases, such as with The Order & Sunset, the numbers given by VGchartz is based on their collection of METHODS, which may or may not be close to the actual number. Either ur estimating numbers, or u KNOW, lol, like Microsoft or Sony and to a lesser extent, the other professional data mining firms.

Thus, thus, any time someone uses these estimates, unless confirmed by an official authority, cannot, again, CEMENT, their argument with FACT. Haha. When using logic, someone might say “If, these VGchartz numbers are accurate, blah blah blah”. Not ” VGchartz numbers says, blah blah blah. I rest my case” lol. It’s a flawed statement, cuz VGchartz estimates! So, to suggest ur VGchartz numbers in an argument is logically fine, so long as u mention the they’re estimates. Otherwise those numbers need confirmation, to be held as FACT. C’mon man, what are we talkin about here?

Conclusion; ur numbers are based on methods that comprise a slice of factual data, estimates, and probabilities. Thus, ur debating opponent doesn’t have to recognize them as fact. And yes, I like facts, not estimates which may or may not be actual. Less we just love arguing bout nothin lol.

Oh and I’d have to call this method by VGchartz a bit questionable –
All data is regularly checked against manufacturer shipments and data released publicly from other tracking firms to ensure accuracy.

Concerning Sunset O, pretty much only Insomniac & Microsoft know actual sales. “Not sure where you got those sales numbers from (they are not accurate in the slightest), but neither Microsoft nor us release sales numbers”. Bang. Get bak to me when u get those reel numbers lol.

As i said before. Look for your d@mn self im not doing anything for you. If yiu want it bad enough you will stop bring lazy. Is that in plain english or do i need to break it down in syllables

@kma99:disqus aka TheLiar

Yes i did say the official numbers where over 900,000

Which was a LIE, which I have demonstrated already.

you also failed to mention that i said that insomniac never gave anyone exact numbers so you failed.

Again ANOTHER LIE!!! Let me quote the message that I revealed that you were a liar…

You said 2 messages ago…

The official numbers released for sunset were at over 900,000 not including digital sales

Now you are saying…

The never released true numbers

The should be They (poor spelling on your part).

They would be Insomniac. See I can read just fine even your broken English.

That last tid bit was germane to revealing your untruthful nature. So there is no fail on my part and yet another lie on your part. 🙂

You know what google is you search for it yourself. You found vg charts it shouldn’t be to hard for you. Stop being lazy and do your own research im not holding your hand.

You really can’t be this dense can you? Look you are the one making a claim that Sunset Overdrive sold over 830,000 units. I am taking you to task on that claim so it is up to you to share your source for that data.

Otherwise I have to assume you are making things up again given our brief history here. I didn’t ask you to search for anything to support my claims, I made them available as I made the claims.

That being said if you are engaged in a debate with another it is intellectually lazy on your part to tell the other person they should do the research to prove YOUR point. How about you just provide the link
or if GamingBolt doesn’t allow links give me the title of the article so I can quickly find it in Google.

If you don’t provide a link or a title, given your history I have to assume you are just making up tall tales, again!

Oh and where didi say that you claimed thry only sold 320,000 i said they debunk the myth that 330,000 were sold. Did you fail reading in school?

You really want to bring up my reading skills when your writing skills look about as robust as a middle school dropout? 🙂

I never said that you said I made that claim, I was just pointing out to you that I never made that claim, and the source of that 300K figure wasn’t VGChartz but an article or forum post quoting VGChartz non-updated numbers.

Now seriously put up or shut up. I want a link or an article title. Your claims can’t be trusted as I have proven here.

Yes i did say the official numbers where over 900,000 but you also failed to mention that i said that insomniac never gave anyone exact numbers so you failed. You know what google is you search for it yourself. You found vg charts it shouldn’t be to hard for you. Stop being lazy and do your own research im not holding your hand.
Oh and where didi say that you claimed thry only sold 320,000 i said they debunk the myth that 330,000 were sold. Did you fail reading in school?

@kma99:disqus

I never claimed they only sold 300K units that claim was made a long time ago on a website (or some forums) and that wasn’t VGChartz updated figures. It was repeated in this thread of comments by MisterIndie.

Give me some links or the article titles please. So far you are not a credible source. For one you just LIED!

You said 2 messages ago…

The official numbers released for sunset were at over 900,000 not including digital sales

Now you are saying…

The never released true numbers

I think the problem here is you are allowing your feelings to cloud the facts. Which is why you pulled that 900K number out of thin air.

You feel Sunset Overdrive was a great game and a success so you are saying anything to buttress that feeling yet not providing any material evidence in the real world to support said claims.

@kfalballi:disqus

If you have enough money for 2 consoles and only buy 1 that is $400 more for games. 🙂

The never released true numbers amd insomniac debunked that stupid myth that they only sold 320,000 . Believe what you must but the fact is sunset sold more with less install base than the order with more. Bg charts doesn’t count difital and wal mart isn’t a member of that vg charts thing. All vg charts does is guestimate so i wouldnt go around cutting and pasting any numbers from them if you dont care to get laughed at. Keep googling you will find more concrete numbers.

@kma99:disqus

The official numbers released for sunset were at over 900,000 not including digital sales

VGChartz’s number is over 830K. Where were the “official” numbers released? Can you provide a link? Or at least give me enough information to find it via Google? How about the article title?

Lol not even remotely true. The official numbers released for sunset were at over 900,000 not including digital sales but you keep that little chart where did you find it on vg lol.

@kma99:disqus

The Order did outsell Sunset Overdrive.