you cant do 4k/60fps with a r9 290x.the gtx 1080 which stomps the r9 290x cant do 4k/60fps only the titan x pascal can do 4k/60fps on games and as i said before its $1200.

you can do 4k/30fps consoles fps.

ill stay 1080p/60fps unlil a mid range card can do 4k/60fps as 90% of pc gamers will do.

ps i dont read 15 paragraph posts.

its not 4k/60fps its you are playing at console fps if thats fine.plus the r9 290x is only $300ish right now.and that tdp tho…lol.you have an old 290x card right now i have a r9 380x i can do 4k as well on low settings its still 4k.

i guess you didnt know im a pc/xbox guy?????

ill stay 1080p/60fps

I have a gaming PC that cost $3000 to build and I still own all the consoles. All of them, so that’s not really a valid reason for anything. The ps pro will be the first console I don’t buy since… forever because it’s absolutely pointless and a waste of money. The benefits for 1080p games will be minimal and it won’t be running 4k native games unless they are simple titles. I have zero interest in running 1440p content upscaled.
I will however buy a Scorpio because then I can move one of my Xbox ones into my bedroom and it will take the place of a Chromecast for media and I’ll also play stuff on it when someone is using the TV downstairs. If the hardware upgrade was as minor as the ps pro I wouldn’t buy the Scorpio either but it isn’t minor, it will be able to hit 4k, it will be able to do VR at the proper 90hz without some frame duplication trickery like the PlayStation and it will have a uhd Blu-ray drive which I’ll use. I also prefer Xbox live a great deal over PSN. PSN is slow…it took 10 hours to download killzone 4 yesterday on my 130mbps connection. By comparison downloading something that same size on xbl or steam would take 20ish min. No matter when I download off PSN it’s slow, I hate slow. I also hate it’s multiplayer system, it’s menu system, it’s store setup and the fact that Sony is building walls around it while Microsoft is opening their platform up.

That last one is a big one for me. It likes android vs iPhone. I’ll take android any day because I can do whatever I want, no walled garden. By the same token on Xbox I can be on pc and play games with friends on Xbox. That’s great and its something that’s only going to get bigger going forward. It’s also something Sony outright refuses to do just like mods in fallout 4 and Skyrim…another thing Microsoft allows freely.

Sony is becoming less gamer friendly in an attempt to protect their brand because PlayStation is the ONLY thing earning them money but in building all these silly barriers they are going to push people away.

You as a claimed pc gamer should fully understand that.

Interesting because my 290x runs Witcher 3, Doom, Mankind Divided and plenty more titles at 4k 30fps and the Scorpio has more powerful and far more efficient GPU.

As for a mid gen upgrade…yea the ps pro is but the Scorpio isn’t. The difference in power between the xbox one and the Scorpio is quite significant and I’m not talking about a marketing buzzword like flops. Flops are the new bits.

You can go on believing whatever you want but fact is right now pc games are being authored with 4k in mind. Games that are already out and most big games going forward.

The ps pro was never designed for 4k that’s just a lie. It was designed for a single purpose and that’s psvr. The ps4 can’t handle vr, it just can’t and Sony backed themselves into a corner. Their solution was a new slightly more powerful console but still a console not powerful enough for decent VR. The GPU is fine but using those same ancient inefficient Jaguar cores with a small overclock isn’t going to cut it.

Expect the Scorpio to use a more modern revision on the amd APU and if we get real lucky it will be Zen based which looks more likely by the day. Even at an identical clock speed a CPU can be made more efficient. That’s why you can’t buy CPU X and overclock it to the same spec as CPU Y where CPU Y is a more efficient design and expect CPU X to have the same performance.

Number of cores and clock speed are the only thing that determine performance just like tflops on a GPU isn’t. It can give you a basic idea but it’s a small slice of the pie but again…you believe whatever you want but you should probably try to convince someone other than me because I will never agree with you assessment as it ignores some fundamental truths about how technology works.

yep

ill agree with you their its mainly for lab tops to get a stronger external gpu and its not for consoles.we will get consoles every 3 years now hopefully that wont last. i like 6 to 7 years out of mine.

i can also you my yearly tax return to upgrade my pc so why would i even bother buying a mid gen console at all when i can up grade my pc every year if i wanted with my tax return

why do i need consoles anyway i have a pc..lol

sure if you want to pay $3000 or more for it the titan x pascal is the only card out right now that can do 4k/60fps game on a single card and its $1200.a $600 pc can hot 1080p/60fps no problems with the rx 480 and thats a $200 gpu.

by the time a few multiplats get on the xbox scorpio the xbox two will be out since they have confirmed that they are ALREADY working on it.there is no point to buy these mid gen upgrades.consoles take a few years to plan so 3 years after the xbox scorpio launches we will have xbox two.

remember its is a mid generation upgrade so a consoles life span is 6yrs just like you can expect the ps5 to be out by 2018 if the xbox scorpio stomps all over the ps4 pro which it will.

I know…I said that right in the first sentence =P

thats because x1 has a better cpu then the ps4 thats why fallout 4 on the ps4 drops belorw 20 fps at times and also thats why the 5 years old jaguar cpu is bottlenecking the ps4 pro and cod if cant run 60fps its drops to 39fps…lol

Wrong. Why? Easy, pc gaming is at 4k right now. Games are generally designed around the most powerful console and then upgraded for pc. Going forward the Scorpio is capable of 4k 30fps in AAA quality titles so what’s going to happen is the pc and Xbox versions will be authored for 4k and simply downgraded for the ps4 pro.

Not a difficult concept.