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		By: Dakan45		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dakan45]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/mark-cerny-ps4-gpu-features-significant-customisation-explains-compute-process#comment-198809&quot;&gt;lelly&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;PC and a PS3 that the games I mentioned have given me a great experience that PC games haven&#039;t&quot;

What are you talking about?

Console graphics are trash in comparison and all games play alike.

Great experiances? Is there anything like slender on consoles? No they killed off horror games to sell you more samey action games. Is there anything like antichamber? Ofcourse not, that wil take brains which casual morons on consoles lack. Is there anything like shadowrun returns? Nope, they turn games like this to fps.

&quot;  I haven&#039;t seen a developer exclusively cater for mid to high end PCs that makes me think I don&#039;t need a PS3 anymore,&quot;

Games you play on consoles are on low-medium settings at this point. Developers cater to midrange systems and thus upgrade the graphics, making the games more demanding and pc gaming more expensive for a reason, BETTER GRAPHICS.

Arma 3, crysis 3, metro last light, all those are high end focused games.

So you are wrong on that one.

&quot;developers will cater for the bigger market&quot;

Which you do not reallize but its a problem, they take horror games and rpgs and turn them into actions, they kill innovations.

Do you think the last of us would be made if sony didnt pay for its development? Ofcourse not, most publishers would think that it wont sell well, ironicly most developers hate exlusivity becasue they get less sales. Had the last of us being on multiple systems it would get more sales. No one is making exlusives anymore unless paid to do it or not having the budget to go multiplat.

&quot;you won&#039;t see a game that is as good as The Last Of Us running on a 7 year old PC&#039;


No you wont because every pc game is getting enchanced shaders and lighting and graphics. So while you could logicaly play it with a 7 year old card on console settings, the game has been enchanced so you need a better videocard.




A good example of this is crysis 3, it requires a dx11 card by default, which means that dx10 cards cant play it but even if you play it at the lowest settings you still playing at better graphics than the console version. Does that mean that consoles somehow get the upper hand because they SIMPLY run the game with ancient graphics an on a diffirent api?


NOPE.


But let me put that theory to the test, lets pick a game from 2007 that looks better than the last of us, cryisis. It has better geometry, it has far better lighting, and better textures. So when a game is made specifically for pc, it looks miles better than the consoles and that game was pretty unoptimized.


There is no argument here, pick quake 2, looked better on pc, pick morrowind and oblivion, also looked better on pc, pick medal of honor games also looked better on pc.


So you got a console coming out, say x360 and a still a pc runs oblivion with better visuals. Same case now with bf4, it will look better on pc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/mark-cerny-ps4-gpu-features-significant-customisation-explains-compute-process#comment-198809">lelly</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;PC and a PS3 that the games I mentioned have given me a great experience that PC games haven&#8217;t&#8221;</p>
<p>What are you talking about?</p>
<p>Console graphics are trash in comparison and all games play alike.</p>
<p>Great experiances? Is there anything like slender on consoles? No they killed off horror games to sell you more samey action games. Is there anything like antichamber? Ofcourse not, that wil take brains which casual morons on consoles lack. Is there anything like shadowrun returns? Nope, they turn games like this to fps.</p>
<p>&#8221;  I haven&#8217;t seen a developer exclusively cater for mid to high end PCs that makes me think I don&#8217;t need a PS3 anymore,&#8221;</p>
<p>Games you play on consoles are on low-medium settings at this point. Developers cater to midrange systems and thus upgrade the graphics, making the games more demanding and pc gaming more expensive for a reason, BETTER GRAPHICS.</p>
<p>Arma 3, crysis 3, metro last light, all those are high end focused games.</p>
<p>So you are wrong on that one.</p>
<p>&#8220;developers will cater for the bigger market&#8221;</p>
<p>Which you do not reallize but its a problem, they take horror games and rpgs and turn them into actions, they kill innovations.</p>
<p>Do you think the last of us would be made if sony didnt pay for its development? Ofcourse not, most publishers would think that it wont sell well, ironicly most developers hate exlusivity becasue they get less sales. Had the last of us being on multiple systems it would get more sales. No one is making exlusives anymore unless paid to do it or not having the budget to go multiplat.</p>
<p>&#8220;you won&#8217;t see a game that is as good as The Last Of Us running on a 7 year old PC&#8217;</p>
<p>No you wont because every pc game is getting enchanced shaders and lighting and graphics. So while you could logicaly play it with a 7 year old card on console settings, the game has been enchanced so you need a better videocard.</p>
<p>A good example of this is crysis 3, it requires a dx11 card by default, which means that dx10 cards cant play it but even if you play it at the lowest settings you still playing at better graphics than the console version. Does that mean that consoles somehow get the upper hand because they SIMPLY run the game with ancient graphics an on a diffirent api?</p>
<p>NOPE.</p>
<p>But let me put that theory to the test, lets pick a game from 2007 that looks better than the last of us, cryisis. It has better geometry, it has far better lighting, and better textures. So when a game is made specifically for pc, it looks miles better than the consoles and that game was pretty unoptimized.</p>
<p>There is no argument here, pick quake 2, looked better on pc, pick morrowind and oblivion, also looked better on pc, pick medal of honor games also looked better on pc.</p>
<p>So you got a console coming out, say x360 and a still a pc runs oblivion with better visuals. Same case now with bf4, it will look better on pc.</p>
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		By: Dakan45		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dakan45]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/mark-cerny-ps4-gpu-features-significant-customisation-explains-compute-process#comment-198819&quot;&gt;GDDR5&lt;/a&gt;.

You got that right, apparently pc has 5 times as many exslusives as consoles, we pay on kickstarter for developers to make pc gamers that the moronic publishers dont want to fund because they want to turn them into shooters with 10 million sales, steam is giving the chance to small studios to sell their games and a massive economical shift happens every summer thanks to steam selling games -66% off.


Wake up, piracy is not the problem, its bad service and consolish crap. When they make good games the sales are there and no pc will NEVER reach console sales since console gaming has become a casual interactive experiance with heavy marketing and attention trying to sell it to everyone and even failing to reach those unreallistic goals.


As if that was not the case with vista and xp, ms may wish to sell an os nearly every year but we dont have to buy their phone os crap.


Amd who makes cheap ass cpus and advertizes them as super powerfull, yet an inferior intel cpu is beating its ass all over the floor is telling you that APUs are the future hwen apus have proven to be weak.


PS4 is actually alot weaker than it appears to be because its an AMD apu device.


DDR3 will always be faster for cpu since the memory controllers are on cpus. Current games are x32, using only 3.25gb, when games become x64, then 16-32 gb will be used. Ps4 will just keep on having a weak cpu with poor interaction with its ram and thats the bottleneck right there.


Consoles= hype lies.]]></description>
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<p>You got that right, apparently pc has 5 times as many exslusives as consoles, we pay on kickstarter for developers to make pc gamers that the moronic publishers dont want to fund because they want to turn them into shooters with 10 million sales, steam is giving the chance to small studios to sell their games and a massive economical shift happens every summer thanks to steam selling games -66% off.</p>
<p>Wake up, piracy is not the problem, its bad service and consolish crap. When they make good games the sales are there and no pc will NEVER reach console sales since console gaming has become a casual interactive experiance with heavy marketing and attention trying to sell it to everyone and even failing to reach those unreallistic goals.</p>
<p>As if that was not the case with vista and xp, ms may wish to sell an os nearly every year but we dont have to buy their phone os crap.</p>
<p>Amd who makes cheap ass cpus and advertizes them as super powerfull, yet an inferior intel cpu is beating its ass all over the floor is telling you that APUs are the future hwen apus have proven to be weak.</p>
<p>PS4 is actually alot weaker than it appears to be because its an AMD apu device.</p>
<p>DDR3 will always be faster for cpu since the memory controllers are on cpus. Current games are x32, using only 3.25gb, when games become x64, then 16-32 gb will be used. Ps4 will just keep on having a weak cpu with poor interaction with its ram and thats the bottleneck right there.</p>
<p>Consoles= hype lies.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: GDDR5		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/mark-cerny-ps4-gpu-features-significant-customisation-explains-compute-process#comment-198796&quot;&gt;Dakan45&lt;/a&gt;.

1st off..im not a boy.. and its just the hardware inovation of a system that interests me.like I said I work for a wholesale computer company! We sell to the shops YOU buy from! I have been in the industry for 10 years plus!

Secondly by the use of troll and noob and all other related pc terms I take it you&#039;re 100% geek orientated and the boy comment would be you?

3. when did I say pc gaming is dying? I did not say such a thing and you shouldn&#039;t really be puting words in my mouth.. I was trying to say sales for DESKTOPS in general you twat! However laptops and especially all in one and tablets are increasing!! Whats killing it for pc gamers is your own self..instead of buying the copy and supporting the pc games market you get the bootleg..your own fault..where as on console there isnt as much of it going on..

4. What software are you talking about windows 8? Because even that in sales isnt doing anywhere as good as windows 7 which is still available and my clinets and their customers still prefer is 70/30 in fsvour of win7.

Your missing the point all together..for you pc uses alot of resources..bottlenecks throu pcie etc etc..I realy dont have mych more time to go through this all but for 399 like I said if people want to by it then let them be dumb...but your the smart one because yourcthe pc gamer right?

Yep

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/mark-cerny-ps4-gpu-features-significant-customisation-explains-compute-process#comment-198796">Dakan45</a>.</p>
<p>1st off..im not a boy.. and its just the hardware inovation of a system that interests me.like I said I work for a wholesale computer company! We sell to the shops YOU buy from! I have been in the industry for 10 years plus!</p>
<p>Secondly by the use of troll and noob and all other related pc terms I take it you&#8217;re 100% geek orientated and the boy comment would be you?</p>
<p>3. when did I say pc gaming is dying? I did not say such a thing and you shouldn&#8217;t really be puting words in my mouth.. I was trying to say sales for DESKTOPS in general you twat! However laptops and especially all in one and tablets are increasing!! Whats killing it for pc gamers is your own self..instead of buying the copy and supporting the pc games market you get the bootleg..your own fault..where as on console there isnt as much of it going on..</p>
<p>4. What software are you talking about windows 8? Because even that in sales isnt doing anywhere as good as windows 7 which is still available and my clinets and their customers still prefer is 70/30 in fsvour of win7.</p>
<p>Your missing the point all together..for you pc uses alot of resources..bottlenecks throu pcie etc etc..I realy dont have mych more time to go through this all but for 399 like I said if people want to by it then let them be dumb&#8230;but your the smart one because yourcthe pc gamer right?</p>
<p>Yep</p>
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		By: lelly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/mark-cerny-ps4-gpu-features-significant-customisation-explains-compute-process#comment-198731&quot;&gt;Dakan45&lt;/a&gt;.

What im trying to tell you is that we know PCs are superior in terms of power and they will be when you spend considerately more than a console but I was saying as I game on PC and a PS3 that the games I mentioned have given me a great experience that PC games haven&#039;t,  I haven&#039;t seen a developer exclusively cater for mid to high end PCs that makes me think I don&#039;t need a PS3 anymore, also we&#039;ll see how much sales project cars gets compared to Driveclub before we compare it to the beast which is Gran Turismo, developers will cater for the bigger market which is an most likely always to be consoles, you won&#039;t see a game that is as good as The Last Of Us running on a 7 year old PC, not because of the power but because developers would rather target a bigger audience which is the consoles. Just remember its not always about how pretty a game looks, its the experience you get and most people have a better experience on consoles hence why more games are bought for consoles rather than their PC counter part, we&#039;ll see if developers make games 100X better for the PC which im sure Sony and MS wouldn&#039;t allow developers to do as it would drive console sales away from them if we could get 10000X better experience on the PC, we&#039;ll see.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/mark-cerny-ps4-gpu-features-significant-customisation-explains-compute-process#comment-198731">Dakan45</a>.</p>
<p>What im trying to tell you is that we know PCs are superior in terms of power and they will be when you spend considerately more than a console but I was saying as I game on PC and a PS3 that the games I mentioned have given me a great experience that PC games haven&#8217;t,  I haven&#8217;t seen a developer exclusively cater for mid to high end PCs that makes me think I don&#8217;t need a PS3 anymore, also we&#8217;ll see how much sales project cars gets compared to Driveclub before we compare it to the beast which is Gran Turismo, developers will cater for the bigger market which is an most likely always to be consoles, you won&#8217;t see a game that is as good as The Last Of Us running on a 7 year old PC, not because of the power but because developers would rather target a bigger audience which is the consoles. Just remember its not always about how pretty a game looks, its the experience you get and most people have a better experience on consoles hence why more games are bought for consoles rather than their PC counter part, we&#8217;ll see if developers make games 100X better for the PC which im sure Sony and MS wouldn&#8217;t allow developers to do as it would drive console sales away from them if we could get 10000X better experience on the PC, we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		By: Dakan45		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dakan45]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/mark-cerny-ps4-gpu-features-significant-customisation-explains-compute-process#comment-198744&quot;&gt;GDDR5&lt;/a&gt;.

Listen troll. STATISTICS show that DESKTOP are in an all time low, HP and other prebuild crap. If you dont know that, the you are either a newbie or you just read an article and think you can pass yourself as smart, but judging by your comments you are a ps4 fanboy with no actual knowledge on hardware.

The reason Desktop sles are low is quite simple, tablets. If all you want to do is trivial pc tasks both from a price and efficiency perspective, it doesnt worth getting a overpiced prebuilt pc.

On the other hand hardware sales such as gaming pc parts are on the rise.

Also hand  Nviida has stated that pc is the most important platform right now with higher hardware sales than ever.

PC shipments in ONE quarter (3 months): 79 million. 


Xbox shipments in 8 years 77 million.

Pc is dying eh?

Also pc pc gaming software has reached 20 billion in 2012 and its growing.

My pc is from 2008, still plays most games on high while consoles ran them on low.

Meaning, if you bought part to upgrade last year you are good to go for 3-4 years.

Prebuilt crap are dying, casuals get tablets and pc gamers buy upgrades and build pcs more powerfull than the consoles.]]></description>
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<p>Listen troll. STATISTICS show that DESKTOP are in an all time low, HP and other prebuild crap. If you dont know that, the you are either a newbie or you just read an article and think you can pass yourself as smart, but judging by your comments you are a ps4 fanboy with no actual knowledge on hardware.</p>
<p>The reason Desktop sles are low is quite simple, tablets. If all you want to do is trivial pc tasks both from a price and efficiency perspective, it doesnt worth getting a overpiced prebuilt pc.</p>
<p>On the other hand hardware sales such as gaming pc parts are on the rise.</p>
<p>Also hand  Nviida has stated that pc is the most important platform right now with higher hardware sales than ever.</p>
<p>PC shipments in ONE quarter (3 months): 79 million. </p>
<p>Xbox shipments in 8 years 77 million.</p>
<p>Pc is dying eh?</p>
<p>Also pc pc gaming software has reached 20 billion in 2012 and its growing.</p>
<p>My pc is from 2008, still plays most games on high while consoles ran them on low.</p>
<p>Meaning, if you bought part to upgrade last year you are good to go for 3-4 years.</p>
<p>Prebuilt crap are dying, casuals get tablets and pc gamers buy upgrades and build pcs more powerfull than the consoles.</p>
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		By: salim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[salim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/mark-cerny-ps4-gpu-features-significant-customisation-explains-compute-process#comment-198737&quot;&gt;Dakan45&lt;/a&gt;.

You have some good points here...but i have problemes withs my desktop, thats why i moved to consoles]]></description>
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<p>You have some good points here&#8230;but i have problemes withs my desktop, thats why i moved to consoles</p>
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		By: GDDR5		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GDDR5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Hahahahah I can so picture what these guys look like..their keyboards must be really filthy]]></description>
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<p>Hahahahah I can so picture what these guys look like..their keyboards must be really filthy</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GDDR5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/mark-cerny-ps4-gpu-features-significant-customisation-explains-compute-process#comment-198730&quot;&gt;Dakan45&lt;/a&gt;.

STFU I work in wholesale computer parts...statistics show that desktop sales are at an alltime low..people dont want ro spend big money on buying pc parts that are overpriced just so you can be able to play one game.. im suprised that you haven&#039;t listed what type of setup you have on your pc just like your little geek friends playing WOW..if you dont like the ps4 then just leave..even if it does half the things they say it will it justifies the price in my opinion..

Stupid pcgamers always have to make sure they defend their choice of game device..so they can justify not being ripped off..it makes them feel better.. :)]]></description>
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<p>STFU I work in wholesale computer parts&#8230;statistics show that desktop sales are at an alltime low..people dont want ro spend big money on buying pc parts that are overpriced just so you can be able to play one game.. im suprised that you haven&#8217;t listed what type of setup you have on your pc just like your little geek friends playing WOW..if you dont like the ps4 then just leave..even if it does half the things they say it will it justifies the price in my opinion..</p>
<p>Stupid pcgamers always have to make sure they defend their choice of game device..so they can justify not being ripped off..it makes them feel better.. 🙂</p>
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		By: Dakan45		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dakan45]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/mark-cerny-ps4-gpu-features-significant-customisation-explains-compute-process#comment-198733&quot;&gt;salim&lt;/a&gt;.

No am saying that if you claim that you constantly runs on problems, you are beeing biased or extremely unlucky. Its not like consoels dont have issues. But no one makes a big deal of it.


For the sake of argument consoel gaming WAS easy back in ps2 era but now you got online passes, acount, internet connection, dlcs and many other crap, in the next gen they gonna add more and it will become more complex thus losing the ease that they are famous for.]]></description>
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<p>No am saying that if you claim that you constantly runs on problems, you are beeing biased or extremely unlucky. Its not like consoels dont have issues. But no one makes a big deal of it.</p>
<p>For the sake of argument consoel gaming WAS easy back in ps2 era but now you got online passes, acount, internet connection, dlcs and many other crap, in the next gen they gonna add more and it will become more complex thus losing the ease that they are famous for.</p>
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