YOU would class it thus. No one else does. Which is why you’re having to agree with your own comments. Quite sad.

Something like GTA 5. Sales of under 5 million would be classed as a flop to average.

In that case, accept my apology.

I meant that as a question for the commentator above me all called Driveclub a flop despite selling 2 million games.

According to Wikipedia, not sure how accurate but we’ll use it as an example, ONLY 64(out of 1850+ in NA) sold 2+ million. So according to your idiotic assumption, around 1786 games were flops. Do you realize how stupid that sounds? I’m thoroughly convinced you’re a troll and I’m done responding to garbage.

TLG will do a lot better than you think. Saying Team Ico never made a successful game is idiotic. As far as Shenmue breaking even, is this a joke? They got 6 million in kickstarter funding plus I’m sure a few million more elsewhere. $60 x 1 million sold is $60 mil. Minus what production and retail fees and it’s still gonna make a pretty good sized profit. Granted it could sell less but with stupid s*it out here selling millions and the hype surrounding both TLG and Shenmue 3, it’s just dumb to say both will be flops. People are eating up anything Sony puts out there and these two will be no different.

Hey there Pachter alt/fanboy – it’s always nice to see someone try to argue what they think they know when they barely know English, or when their username is bigevilworldwide. Shenmue was not considered a “massive” failure – it actually sold well, BUT too much money was put into production, and it had to sell an extra copy to everyone who already bought a copy to turn a profit. As such, it would be a “commercial” failure. Sega didn’t pull the plug on Shenmue because it didn’t turn a profit though – they pulled the plug because Dreamcast overall wasn’t a great seller, especially with Sega’s history prior to the Dreamcast, and the advent of the PS2. A lot of companies did not trust Sega due to the consoles they produced before the Dreamcast, along with their previous fanbase, so they didn’t have a lot of publishers/developers going into production – plus, Shenmue was previously being developed for the Saturn. There is a difference with “commercial” failure than a “massive” failure, since Shenmue revolutionized a lot of modernly implemented gameplay mechanics, was positively praised by critics and fans, and sold well (had Sega learned how to manage their money better, it would’ve turned a profit). And I know not every COD player is an idiot, so I hope you’re not using that as an excuse to not know your info before you talk.

You are aware that ALL the Team Ico games were flops right? Ico was a massive failure, Shadows of the colossus was a failure, and YES 1.5 million sold is a failure considering the over 100 million PS2s that were sold….Its not going to be a massive success FACT….

YES It was considered a flop…ICO was considered a massive failure. the same way Shenmue was a failure, Shenmue 2 was a massive failure….TLG and Shenmue 3 will be failures period, TLG will be super niche, and considering all the kickstarter people are getting Shenmue 3 because they gave money YES it will fail also….They are both niche titles….Difference being Sony unlike MS don’t expect sky high massive sales for every title they make or they bury it….That ONE POINT FIVE MILLION Not 2 million took 11 years

Ummm TLG will likely flop…ICO flopped, Shadows of the colossus flopped….Team Ico has NEVER made a successful game period…The difference being that Sony isn’t like MS actually encourages studios to try new things not just produce games like Gears, Halo, Forza, repeat….But it will flop period. It took Shadows of the colossus 11 years just to sell 1.5 million copies….Shenmue was also a flop, the sequel was a massive failure and the exact reason Sega refused to make a third…And considering the people who paid into the crowd funding are getting a free copy, it will be lucky to break a million in the first year, its probably more NICHE than Team Ico games…