Well I hear u Gamez. I can clearly see ur standpoint. And I don’t mean to say that u don’t understand console gaming. I know u do. It’s just I have my thoughts on that. But anyway I’m waaay too dam busy to keep debating u! Lol. I gotta do alot of homework bro. I hate that I’m a procrastinator, cuz my work is piled up ahaha. I have to man up and do things in advance. Could cost me a D or F man. Ughh. Anyway I won’t be leaving GamingBolt, but peace

I have seen many people and articles showing both PS4 and Xbone not running games at 1080p when they are both meant to be able to run 1080p on games. And like I have stated on this page quite a few times now that I also believe that PS4 and Xbone are not TRUE 1080p machines. My reason is not all games run at the standard pixel resolution of 1920×1080 so they are not TRUE 1080p consoles even when running some games at 1080p.

I have had every Sony console, every MS console 90% of Nintendo consoles, Sega consoles, Atari, etc, so I know what console gaming is all about BUT that still doesn’t take away the fact that anything under the standard 3,840 x 2,160 pixel resolution allowed for 4k gaming is not classified as TRUE 4k, it’s just that simple. And IF P-Scorpio allows games to be under those standards it is not a *TRUE* 4k gaming console just like PS4-Pro isn’t.

Really? Who’s been making noise about the PS4 not being a 1080p machine? Have you been? And where? And don’t u think it’s only fair for Microsoft to get a pass, when Sony has on this subject? No where have I seen people make a funk about Sony misleading them in the “resolution wars”. Do u not agree?

Now, again, we’re talking consoles bro. They’ll always be designed mainly for 30fps, as most games aren’t twitch based shooters or fighters. This helps keep console prices low for the average consumer to buy them. Less ur saying u really think Scorpio should be able to handle Titan X performance at 4K 60fps on every game! Ahaha. I’m simply saying your concept of a “True 4K” or 1080p machine doesn’t match the console concept. 1080p 60fps? C’mon brother us console gamers have been playin at 30fps since gaming’s inception. Ur standard is too high! Lmao. Ur a darn PC guy Gamez. U have to understand the console gamers perspective, although I respect yours

Ok, SONY has also been questioned with advertisement on their products, and like I’ve shown you I also have the same views on PS4 as well as Xbone not being TRUE 1080p machines, but lets not try and steer away from the P-Scorpio that is advertising TRUE 4K GAMING when we all know that not all games can run at the 3,840 x 2,160 pixel resolution which = TRUE 4k. IF that would be the case then PS4 could be classed as a TRUE 4k gaming console LMAO!

1) Ok if Microsoft is being held to the standard of their own advertisement for their own product, then should not Sony? I guess “True 4K” is worse than “1080p makes you a better gamer” and, “Get used to hearing alot more of 1080p 60fps”. Now who’s misleading? Microsoft? Sony? Both of them? Or neither?

2) So then I guess 4K TVs are currently misleading to millions of people then. Since they actually only provide a small portion of 4K movies and programs. Why aren’t people boycotting Samsung and LG? Simple. Because they understand that the device is 4K CAPABLE, but not every network, due to, once again, content creators and Cable Providers, are still issuing 1080p signals cuz of bandwidth and bla blah blah. Isn’t this misleading then?

“what they mean by “True” 4K gaming is simply native 4K gaming” = Correct.

Anything under the pixel standard of 3,840 x 2,160 isn’t native 4k and that’s why I believe that MS on P-Scorpio’s advertising shouldn’t be stating TRUE 4k gaming if not all games are at the standard 4k pixel resolution. A TRUE 4k gaming console should be 4k on ALL games to be classed as TRUE.

As for Sony I’ve already stated that PS4 IMO isn’t a true 1080p console either as not ALL games are 1080p native pixel resolutions and same said for Xbone. PS4-Pro could be classed as a full 1080p machine but not a TRUE 4k gaming machine even when able to play some games at 4k native pixel resolution. ( and if Scorpio is going to follow PS4-Pro with only allowing some 4k games then it too is not a TRUE 4k gaming console )

“Basically ur saying Scorpio should be able to hit 4K 60fps at high or Ultra settings, etc, correct?”

What I’m point out is Where MS are stating *TRUE*4k gaming then all games should be running at the 4k standard 3,840 x 2,160 pixel resolution on P-Scorpio.

MS could allow a 1080p version of the same game for people that only use a 1080p TV but MS should be hitting 4k standard pixel resolutions due to their own advertising on P-Scorpio as TRUE 4k gaming.

Example: If you was in a store a looking at a TV and you was reading a sales sign stating it was a FULL HD TV only to get it home and it turned out to be 1024×1024 pixel resolution would you have been mislead by marketing? Then when calling the store they say that IF you use a blu-ray player though HDMI 1 it can scale up to look like FULL HD, are you still mislead OR are you now happy?///// You’ve been mislead!

U know what Gamez, I think our standards are different, and that’s why we disagree. Ur on PC as well right? If so, I can see what u mean by “Hitting 4K no matter what”. Basically ur saying Scorpio should be able to hit 4K 60fps at high or Ultra settings, etc, correct? And then it can be considered a 4K system. I see what choo mean. But that’s the conceptual mistake I think ur making. You PC guys play at a very high demanding performance. Us on console? We’re used to 30fps at medium-high settings lol. You have to remember that, THAT’S the target for Scorpio, being that it’s a console…..console gaming. Will we see ultra or max settings on it? Who knows, maybe at lower res. But that’s basically what I’m tryna say boss

What they mean by “True” 4K gaming is simply native 4K gaming. And most games will be native 4K on Scorpio. This is a console that will run 90% games in 4K. Will there be exceptions? Of course. Why? Because some developers will prioritize other graphics functions over the highest resolution. Console manufacturers would have a bad relationship with devs if they forced them to hit some magic number and how to run their engines, unless of course they publish it. This is the exact, same situation on PS4 running 1080p.

They marketed it as a Full HD machine over Xbox. Yet, they’ve no mandates for that resolution, and some games are 900p. Should we call them hypocrits, or call them contradictory? Why have I not seen even 1 PS4 fan call them out? It’s cuz 9/10 games are 1080p on PS4. Nobody’s worried about those other dime-a-dozen games that don’t hit the magic number. It just ain’t that serious man. When ur hitting that high of a percentage, the sub-full HD games are trivial, exceptions, not the norm. So I wouldn’t call that misleading personally. Maybe you would man, I guess.

Also, the PS Pro is the opposite of this situation, the inverse. It can barely hit native 4K on AAA games. Not even 50%. So yes I’d def call it misleading if Sony said it’s a 4K console. Honestly I haven’t seen them say it’s “native 4k” or “true 4K”. So I’m fine with how they advertise it.
But the Scorpio will be different, more like the PS4 hitting its stated targets.

Truth is we could post about graphical fidelity as opposed to aesthetic all day long BUT lets get back to the main point of MS’s stated *TRUE 4K GAMING* for Scorpio.

3,840 x 2,160 pixel resolution = TRUE 4k? Surely that is correct? So wouldn’t *TRUE 4k gaming* be running at the standard 4k of 3,840 x 2,160 pixel resolution no matter what?

This is my point. We could post all day about lowering resolution to improve gaming looks etc but that game wouldn’t be classed as *TRUE 4k* game if it’s under the 4k standard resolution.

This is why I believe where P-Scorpio is ( as MS stated ) classed as a *TRUE 4k gaming console* could be misleading when some games may not be native 4k resolutions at all ( much like PS4-Pro )