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		By: drd7of14		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-295342</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drd7of14]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2016 06:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-286165&quot;&gt;Gamez Rule&lt;/a&gt;.

As I said before, this is only allowed for games they have patched support for from 360 to X1. If you don&#039;t understand why PS3 games are not, and cannot be, supported on PS4, then go look it up.

My entire point about PS2 games being repurchased is exactly what I said...The problem here. BUT, PS1/PSP/MINI&#039;s on PSP Store ate compatible on those platforms the games are available on for free. SONY did it first. This is the only time it hasn&#039;t been done. End of conversation. I do not understand why I have to repeat this over and over, and why you fail to understand them.

It&#039;s great that MS has allowed digitally purchased titles to be free, when supported, but they weren&#039;t first. They also have to make good with the community cause, they are in the losing position. Competition brings the best out of people.

The point is, PS2 games should be CrossBuy on PS3/PS4, that&#039;s all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-286165">Gamez Rule</a>.</p>
<p>As I said before, this is only allowed for games they have patched support for from 360 to X1. If you don&#8217;t understand why PS3 games are not, and cannot be, supported on PS4, then go look it up.</p>
<p>My entire point about PS2 games being repurchased is exactly what I said&#8230;The problem here. BUT, PS1/PSP/MINI&#8217;s on PSP Store ate compatible on those platforms the games are available on for free. SONY did it first. This is the only time it hasn&#8217;t been done. End of conversation. I do not understand why I have to repeat this over and over, and why you fail to understand them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great that MS has allowed digitally purchased titles to be free, when supported, but they weren&#8217;t first. They also have to make good with the community cause, they are in the losing position. Competition brings the best out of people.</p>
<p>The point is, PS2 games should be CrossBuy on PS3/PS4, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		By: Blake Good		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blake Good]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2016 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-284379&quot;&gt;drd7of14&lt;/a&gt;.

Wii U Virtual Console games (NES, SNES, and N64) have discounts as well as added features like restore points, custom controller mapping, and Miiverse. If bought off the Wii Shop Channel on the Wii and transferred via Wii Mode; Select NES games are only $1, SNES games are only $1.50, and N64 games are only $2. I really wish Sony would do the same with their PS1 and PS2 Classics, as well as add save states and other stuff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-284379">drd7of14</a>.</p>
<p>Wii U Virtual Console games (NES, SNES, and N64) have discounts as well as added features like restore points, custom controller mapping, and Miiverse. If bought off the Wii Shop Channel on the Wii and transferred via Wii Mode; Select NES games are only $1, SNES games are only $1.50, and N64 games are only $2. I really wish Sony would do the same with their PS1 and PS2 Classics, as well as add save states and other stuff.</p>
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		By: Blake Good		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-294889</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blake Good]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 23:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-283922&quot;&gt;Cyberats&lt;/a&gt;.

Those are scams. I did do a survey years ago and got a $10 PSN code so they&#039;re not all bogus, just a large majority of them are.]]></description>
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<p>Those are scams. I did do a survey years ago and got a $10 PSN code so they&#8217;re not all bogus, just a large majority of them are.</p>
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		By: Blake Good		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blake Good]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You still have to pay for NES and SNES games on the 3DS, so this is no surprise, while on the Wii U, you have to pay $1-2 for NES, SNES, and N64 games bought the Wii Shop Channel via Wii Mode.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You still have to pay for NES and SNES games on the 3DS, so this is no surprise, while on the Wii U, you have to pay $1-2 for NES, SNES, and N64 games bought the Wii Shop Channel via Wii Mode.</p>
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		By: Gamez Rule		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-286165</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gamez Rule]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2016 11:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-286007&quot;&gt;drd7of14&lt;/a&gt;.

So after everything you posted..... Xbone gamers uses the online store to download games people already owned ( for free ) so what is stopping Sony from doing the same deal?....Answer = nothing. Sony is jusy making money from gamers that have already made Sony money from buying that said game they have to rebuy to play on PS4/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-286007">drd7of14</a>.</p>
<p>So after everything you posted&#8230;.. Xbone gamers uses the online store to download games people already owned ( for free ) so what is stopping Sony from doing the same deal?&#8230;.Answer = nothing. Sony is jusy making money from gamers that have already made Sony money from buying that said game they have to rebuy to play on PS4/</p>
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		By: drd7of14		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drd7of14]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2016 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-284744&quot;&gt;Gamez Rule&lt;/a&gt;.

I do understand your point. But do realize that these games are being run remotely. It is no different to a PSV remote playing to a PS4. It doesn&#039;t mean the VITA plays PS4 games anymore than it would mean a TV plays PS1/2/3/4/P/V games.  There is a physical compatible gaming specific device that is processing said game.

Of those devices compatbile, not all games work. That&#039;s just the way it is. There was a software B/C PS3 after SONY removed the PS2 Emotion Chip from the PS3 original model, but it had huge issues with most games. So they cut that support in future models, on a firmware level.

Games must be individually patched to run properly.  That is will all technology. Programs have very specific specs that they are compatbile for running.

Is it physically possible to have all PS2 games streamed to TVs for no cost to a consumer against the game they purchased digitally/physically?
-Yeah, of course...If money is of no consequence. But since it is, and you are talking about a business, that makes no poopin&#039; sense.

It is an added expense that was not part of the original cost of the game.

As far as PS2 games on PS4 digitally, not internet data-used streaming, those we paid for digitally on PS3, should still work as is protected under the PS software license user agreements.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-284744">Gamez Rule</a>.</p>
<p>I do understand your point. But do realize that these games are being run remotely. It is no different to a PSV remote playing to a PS4. It doesn&#8217;t mean the VITA plays PS4 games anymore than it would mean a TV plays PS1/2/3/4/P/V games.  There is a physical compatible gaming specific device that is processing said game.</p>
<p>Of those devices compatbile, not all games work. That&#8217;s just the way it is. There was a software B/C PS3 after SONY removed the PS2 Emotion Chip from the PS3 original model, but it had huge issues with most games. So they cut that support in future models, on a firmware level.</p>
<p>Games must be individually patched to run properly.  That is will all technology. Programs have very specific specs that they are compatbile for running.</p>
<p>Is it physically possible to have all PS2 games streamed to TVs for no cost to a consumer against the game they purchased digitally/physically?<br />
-Yeah, of course&#8230;If money is of no consequence. But since it is, and you are talking about a business, that makes no poopin&#8217; sense.</p>
<p>It is an added expense that was not part of the original cost of the game.</p>
<p>As far as PS2 games on PS4 digitally, not internet data-used streaming, those we paid for digitally on PS3, should still work as is protected under the PS software license user agreements.</p>
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		By: Gamez Rule		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-285592</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gamez Rule]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2016 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tech junkie you posted &quot;Still Here lol&quot;.....Erm no you&#039;re not as you been BANNED! 

It was shown that Tech junkie was a puppet account for Psionicinversion, and was found out by mods☺ LMAO!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tech junkie you posted &#8220;Still Here lol&#8221;&#8230;..Erm no you&#8217;re not as you been BANNED! </p>
<p>It was shown that Tech junkie was a puppet account for Psionicinversion, and was found out by mods☺ LMAO!</p>
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		By: Gamez Rule		</title>
		<link>https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-284744</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gamez Rule]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-284677&quot;&gt;drd7of14&lt;/a&gt;.

You are still missing the point I made...... ALL games from PS-Store could be used on a device ( like a TV ) without the need of a console. IF Sony and devs/publishers allowed it. 

Sony etc could allow PS4 gamers that have bought PS2 / PS3 games from the online-store ( held in their download list ) to be played on the PS4.. But Sony wants to charge PS4 users to play PS2 games

Sony is doing it again with PS2 games because ( like the newer PS3 consoles that couldn&#039;t play PS2 games from disc, those gamers that owned those PS2 disc had to rebuy the same PS2 game from the PS-Store to play PS2 games they owned already on their PS3 )

Sony are taking the .... and I stand by that 100%]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-284677">drd7of14</a>.</p>
<p>You are still missing the point I made&#8230;&#8230; ALL games from PS-Store could be used on a device ( like a TV ) without the need of a console. IF Sony and devs/publishers allowed it. </p>
<p>Sony etc could allow PS4 gamers that have bought PS2 / PS3 games from the online-store ( held in their download list ) to be played on the PS4.. But Sony wants to charge PS4 users to play PS2 games</p>
<p>Sony is doing it again with PS2 games because ( like the newer PS3 consoles that couldn&#8217;t play PS2 games from disc, those gamers that owned those PS2 disc had to rebuy the same PS2 game from the PS-Store to play PS2 games they owned already on their PS3 )</p>
<p>Sony are taking the &#8230;. and I stand by that 100%</p>
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		By: drd7of14		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drd7of14]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-284407&quot;&gt;Gamez Rule&lt;/a&gt;.

There is a &quot;console&quot; needed. The PS3 OS is being used to run these games on SONY&#039;s PS NOW server farms. It isn&#039;t running natively on any device they wish. That is just the software used to connect to their individual servers.

Technically speaking, they should allow your PS3 to connect to the PS4, and play games on the PS4 through that method. But that isn&#039;t plausible, as the PS3 is not a specialized dedicated server version, but a home console version.

As for PS2 games, on PS3, we own digitally, of course there is nothing technically stopping the games from being streamed. However, it is also a license agreement between publishers. They can&#039;t just allow games to be streamed, that were never agreed to have anything more than downloaded digitally. That lies outside of the agreement.

Obviously, the PS2 games must be patched to first work on PS3, and likewise PS4, but that doesn&#039;t mean they own the license and can do as they please with sharing game, making money off of it.

Just doesn&#039;t work that way. It&#039;s more complicated than what they can do.

Also, on your last point...Which I will quote.

&quot;It&#039;s Sony taking the *you know what* by trying to charge gamers EACH time a new console comes out when wanting a digital game bought from PS-Store on that new console.&quot;

...This is literally the first time they have done this with the PS4 and PS2 Classics. Every other device that has the software emulator for PS1/PSP/Mini games, which is the only other case, on other platforms, has been licenced for all compatible devices with very few exception. Otherwise, said games do not run at all. This is again not capability, as with PSP games on VITA. This is all publisher/license agreements that stop those games from being offered.
...This is all to say, these game liceneses have never had to be digitally repurchased on PSN until PS2 games on PS3 to PS4 with the addition of trophies. Everything else, boosted framerate, resolution, shareplay, remote play, gameplay recording, etc is all software-related features.

The only added feature, which is not fair to add a re-purchase over, as it is outside the element of the game, which remains unchanged, is trophy support. It is also against SONY&#039;s license agreement to not offer game licenses on all future platforms that offer availability/support for said games.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-284407">Gamez Rule</a>.</p>
<p>There is a &#8220;console&#8221; needed. The PS3 OS is being used to run these games on SONY&#8217;s PS NOW server farms. It isn&#8217;t running natively on any device they wish. That is just the software used to connect to their individual servers.</p>
<p>Technically speaking, they should allow your PS3 to connect to the PS4, and play games on the PS4 through that method. But that isn&#8217;t plausible, as the PS3 is not a specialized dedicated server version, but a home console version.</p>
<p>As for PS2 games, on PS3, we own digitally, of course there is nothing technically stopping the games from being streamed. However, it is also a license agreement between publishers. They can&#8217;t just allow games to be streamed, that were never agreed to have anything more than downloaded digitally. That lies outside of the agreement.</p>
<p>Obviously, the PS2 games must be patched to first work on PS3, and likewise PS4, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they own the license and can do as they please with sharing game, making money off of it.</p>
<p>Just doesn&#8217;t work that way. It&#8217;s more complicated than what they can do.</p>
<p>Also, on your last point&#8230;Which I will quote.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s Sony taking the *you know what* by trying to charge gamers EACH time a new console comes out when wanting a digital game bought from PS-Store on that new console.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;This is literally the first time they have done this with the PS4 and PS2 Classics. Every other device that has the software emulator for PS1/PSP/Mini games, which is the only other case, on other platforms, has been licenced for all compatible devices with very few exception. Otherwise, said games do not run at all. This is again not capability, as with PSP games on VITA. This is all publisher/license agreements that stop those games from being offered.<br />
&#8230;This is all to say, these game liceneses have never had to be digitally repurchased on PSN until PS2 games on PS3 to PS4 with the addition of trophies. Everything else, boosted framerate, resolution, shareplay, remote play, gameplay recording, etc is all software-related features.</p>
<p>The only added feature, which is not fair to add a re-purchase over, as it is outside the element of the game, which remains unchanged, is trophy support. It is also against SONY&#8217;s license agreement to not offer game licenses on all future platforms that offer availability/support for said games.</p>
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		By: Gamez Rule		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gamez Rule]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gamingbolt.com/sony-charging-money-for-ps2-games-emulation-on-ps4-makes-sense-developer#comment-284379&quot;&gt;drd7of14&lt;/a&gt;.

You missed the point in what i meant by posting this.

&quot;Please explain on how Sony are charging for backward comp= when PS-Now 
can be used on just a TV made by Samsung ( with no console at all ) to 
play all types of games?&quot;

I will explain... IF a game from the PS-Store going through PS-Now can run on a TV ( no console needed ) then that shows that ANY game can be streamed to a device.

Now with the PS2 games that people own there is nothing from stopping Sony allowing a PS4 gamer to play that PS2 game from the PS-Store onto the gamers PS4 console.

It&#039;s Sony taking the *you know what* by trying to charge gamers EACH time a new console comes out when wanting a digital game bought from PS-Store on that new console.]]></description>
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<p>You missed the point in what i meant by posting this.</p>
<p>&#8220;Please explain on how Sony are charging for backward comp= when PS-Now<br />
can be used on just a TV made by Samsung ( with no console at all ) to<br />
play all types of games?&#8221;</p>
<p>I will explain&#8230; IF a game from the PS-Store going through PS-Now can run on a TV ( no console needed ) then that shows that ANY game can be streamed to a device.</p>
<p>Now with the PS2 games that people own there is nothing from stopping Sony allowing a PS4 gamer to play that PS2 game from the PS-Store onto the gamers PS4 console.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Sony taking the *you know what* by trying to charge gamers EACH time a new console comes out when wanting a digital game bought from PS-Store on that new console.</p>
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