Nvidia is the leader, they make the most money out of all hardware manufacturers, why would they bother with consoles when they make more money on everywhere else?

Sony had double the losses xbox had. Sony DOES make money from consoles, if they sell them at such high numbers they get the costs back. How do you think sony pays for exlusives? Obviously most of the profit is from royality fees.

“Sony screwed up last gen and didn’t money until recently. Microsoft made quite a bit of profit.”

Pretty much, why you calling me an idiot if you said it yourself you dumb cunt.

“its from devs and Nvidia said the same thing a few years back”

Nvidia still handles games better than amd hardware same goes for intel, not sure what is up with you, amd has stated that the pc hardware they make are harder to make, more powerfull than anything on the next gen consoles and thus more expensive.

“Stop acting like a kid and saying “they went to them first”.”

They went to nvidia first, that is a fucking fact.

Nvidia turnedthem down, they gone to amd. Its nvidia who turned down the deal, not sony trying amd as well. Nvidia turned it down because they didnt like the price/perfomance ratio.

Amd did and there you go bf4 720p on xbox one, 960p on ps4…so “NEXT GEN” ….pathetic.

“AMD was able to provide for less”

Amd provided less for less you retarded cuntface.

” AMD wasn’t in the picture, sony may have accpeted Nvidia’s higher price
point and made a more expensive console. Its how the world works kid,
grow up. No one throws away money.”

Too fucking bad thats what your precious sony attempted to do with ps3, they were so sure they gonna beat xbox that they gone crazy and decided to screw the consumer in the ass.

Now you can go ahead and take a look at the mirror and reallize who is the kid and by the looks of it you must be black too, or a delusional rapper kid.

Grow up, get a job, get some brains.

Till then GTFO.

Kid -> learn the difference between going to someone first and winning a deal

Nvidia could get a good enough margin or extra production without taking a loss somewhere first

AMD – was doing poorly – they can get better margins for themselves – story

“Kid, NVIDIA makes alot more from selling videocard than ms and sony ever made together.”

really> r u retarded? Sony – yes, they made a loss

Nvidia – aprox $1 B per quarter

Microsoft – aprox $18 B per quarter

Even if you consider hardware sales of consoles ->they SELL IT AT A LOSS -> they don’t make money from hardware -> they make money from software (i.e. games). Understand idiot? Sony screwed up last gen and didn’t money until recently. Microsoft made quite a bit of profit.

“Thats just marketing talk from amd”
*sigh* its from devs and Nvidia said the same thing a few years back
Stop acting like a kid and saying “they went to them first”. AMD won the consoles. Nvidia probably tried a higher price point for better margins. Sony looked at other alternatives for next (they went to Nvidia first becuase they made supplies for current gen dumbass) went to AMD…got a better deal.
In other words for same tech -> AMD was able to provide for less. If AMD wasn’t in the picture, sony may have accpeted Nvidia’s higher price point and made a more expensive console. Its how the world works kid, grow up. No one throws away money.

Never said I was waiting for another uncharted or Gof War, they were good or last gen. Waiting for next amazing exclusive. I metioned graphics because that’s waht was being said. Never said it was the only that mattered. Like you, I prefer gameplay more… To each there own. I buying next gen for exlcusives. Nothing more, nothing less

Amazing graphics? Only kz3, everyone less. NOPE.

Id rather stick to gameplay.

if you SERIOUSLY havent get tired of god of war and uncharted by now, i trully feel sorry for you.

I always thought infamous and killzone were trash.

Sony went to nvidia first.

They turned them down.

Amd just used their laptop architecture on next gen consoles, nuff said.

“That was just marketing talk by Nvidia.”

Yeah its not like nvidia would knew they go to amd next FACEPALM.

Kid, NVIDIA makes alot more from selling videocard than ms and sony ever made together.

“AMD was able to provide alot more power for the same price”

Alot less for a lower price. But they got x86 so thats one thing.”

“that’s why they won”

They won because nvidia stepped back. PERIOD

Sony gone to nvidia first. GET IT?

“Most IT and Business Analysts are considering this a big win for AMD and a loss for Nividia.”

It is a win for amd since they were not doing well finacially but to be a loss for nvidia, they have to assume that they would make profit by making the next gen consoles. In reallity nvidia did not lose anything aside from possible profit. amd finacials however were bad before this.

“PC’s with AMD chips will handle ports and multiprts better than nvidia chips. Don’t try to make it seem like “it didn’t matter”.”

Thats just marketing talk from amd.

People use nvidia for better drivers and working clossely with developers. Thats why amd works on mantle, to dispute that and make games run better on amd hardware.

Nvidia made alot of money from consoles…they wouldn’t juect say “it’s not worth”. That was just marketing talk by Nvidia. Why not make some extra cash – especially when there is no needed R&D for it for the new few years? AMD was able to provide alot more power for the same price point – that’s why they won. Most IT and Business Analysts are considering this a big win for AMD and a loss for Nividia. Now that consoles are using AMD chips, PC’s with AMD chips will handle ports and multiprts better than nvidia chips. Don’t try to make it seem like “it didn’t matter”.

There are shadows…I’m going to get the PS4 for the exclusives anyways which, in the past, have won game of the year. Also, PS3 – exclusives – that ran on crappy hardware – had amazing graphics. The PS4, when optimized, will have the same impact. I’m a PC gamer as well – stop complaining about consoles holding back PCs. Majority of revenues come from console games (that why devs focus on them). Without consoles, there would be no good multiplats. Have fun with your graphics, I’ll be playing games like infamous SS, God of War 4, uncharted 4, etc in the not too distant future.

How come xbox doesnt change its gpu and ram though?

Perhaps the devs only talked about the ram before the system was in development.

I am not saying ps4 overheat because it was its fault, i am saying that ms ALSO tested x360, they still got prods.

“. Devs thought that it would also probably be a bottleneck. The fact
that Sony made those changes to please the devs is proof that they would
have done the same with the cpu if it was too weak.”

Nope and nope, back then the system was not in development, so Gearbox said that 4gb ram is not enough and they changed it, thats all. Ps3 still had a horrible cell architecture that everyone hated, i didnt see sony doing anything about it. If devs had a say on the entire system they would change it alot. But no one has time for that, when ps4 was revealed they didnt even show the box, xbox one changed its drm system and the specs are not final, they keep getting upgraded.

Its all a mess really, they cant tell sony to alter things in the last minute, because the consoles were far from ready.

You might be right about being a quadcore, but it really is a tablet cpu design, its made for low power consumption and low heat levels, or you gonna claim sony gives a future compact gaming pc for 400$?

Honestly at this point, carmack is a rellic, id take crytek opnion’s any time instead.

” I compared the Cell architecture to X86 but that’s much more reasonable than comparing the graphics on consoles to PC.”

Pfff, no you comparing pc with cell, they are nothing alike.

I wonder how games will sell now that the next gen consoles are gonna have such small install bases…wait i know, by releaseing them on x360 and ps3s as well.

1. Exactly my point. If the PS3 launched without a gpu, the system would’ve been heavily bottlenecked. Devs also wanted 8gigs ram instead of 4. Now don’t you think the same applies for the cpu. Don’t you think if the cpu was so weak as you claimed. devs would try and change sony’s mind. You proved my point entirely.

it seems that you still aren’t getting what I’m saying. The PS4 did overheat ( it was in an enclosed space though) but that is still just a technical failure. I don’t care if Microsoft tested the thumbsticks.

READ CAREFULLY THIS TIME. If a system has a bottleneck such as the ps3 not initially having a gpu, they will change it because the devs realize that there IS a bottleneck. Same with the 4gigs GDDR5. Devs thought that it would also probably be a bottleneck. The fact that Sony made those changes to please the devs is proof that they would have done the same with the cpu if it was too weak.

Lastly, The PS4’s cpu IS NOT a dual core with 4 threads. It has 2 quad core modules. It seems like you think they just to the tablet version of the cpu and stuck it in the system lol.

Carmack didn’t say the systems were equal just very close and guess what? they are pretty close.Also, why do you think Carmack is famous in the business. You think he just got there by luck? Do you think you know more about PCs than him? Did you pioneer many graphics techniques?

2. Well they should be able to make games bigger now due to the higher ram. 8gigs is still the standard for PC so it should be enough for consoles.

3. I guess so.

4. It seems plausible. The game is already becoming so hyped.

5. What do you mean by “ridiculous”? It’s quite fine if people compare the graphics of console to console such as 360 to PS3. That is actually the sane thing to do. I compared the Cell architecture to X86 but that’s much more reasonable than comparing the graphics on consoles to PC. You always say that the console graphics are outdated, trash etc without considering that you are comparing 7 year old hardware to PCs. You need to give credit where it’s due and games like Ascension does look pretty good on PS3. It just shows that great graphics can be achieved with consoles.

6. It doesn’t change the fact that games sell more on consoles.