once again the XB1 IS NOT BASED OFF THE 7790, IT IS CLOSER TO HIGH RANGE KAVERI

AND THE VERY FIRST LINK I GAVE YOU WAS ALONG WITH THE ACTUAL FULL SPEC CHART
GO DOWN TO
7790 BONAIRE XT TFLOPS 1792
7850 Pitcairn PRO TFLOPS 1761.28
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Core_Next

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WHY XB1 IS PROBABLT MOST LIKELY BASED ON AMD’S NEXTGEN KAVERI
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Digital Foudry as well as many other sites claim PS4 IS AN HD 7850 PITCARN AND THE XBOX ONE IS A 7790 BONAIRE. They are basing XB1 ones off of MS tech guy stating it has 768 op/sec , That gpu cannot produce The XB1 E3 showing of graphic power. These tech sites must know that. THE BEST contender for XB1 GPU is AMD’s NEXT GEN Kaveri GCN 2.0 HSA HUMA APU.

AMD’s Kaveri APU is the base roadmap for M$ Chipset.

It’s AMD’ next gen APU

It uses DDR3 still

It’s 768sp at the specialty high end range

It’s in the 100 watt range like XB1

It’s capable of fulfilling Kinects 2.0 feature set.

It uses steamroller dual thread cores

CPU Its over 1 tflop

768SP HSA HUMA GCN 2.0 AT 12SC ON XB1 KAVERI BASED GPU IS MORE POWERFUL THAN 1,152sp ON PS4 NON HSA GCN 1.1

768SP IS ASPECIALTY HIGHEND VERSION OF KAVERI (XB1 IS 768SP COINCIDENCE?)

http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-apu-architecture-detailed-generation-apu-featuring-steamroller-gcn-cores/

Once again, you’re delusional, i think its cute how you send me this stupid link. Why didnt you send me the link to the differences between a 2012 7850 and 2013, cuz there is none! Except in your mind. Are you seriously trying to tell me that the gpu in the X1 is more powerful than the gpu in the ps4!?! The only people who seem to believe this crap are the delusional MS fanboys. FACT! the gpu in the ps4 is more powerful, PERIOD! the ps4 is more powerful than the X1, PERIOD! end of discussion. If you wanna sit there and tell me otherwise, then i really dont care to waste my time keeping this conversation going, cuz its pointless

Here couple really simple comparisons http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7850-vs-Radeon-HD-7790

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzf7Q2-A7AU

first off the benchmark site is not testing the 7850 pitcarn v the 7790 bonaire. the pitcarn is a 2012 product, the bonaire is a 2013 product. the 2013 7850 is not a pitcarn, your mistake. Notice that site does not allow you to run 2012 v 2013. You have to run them separately and when you do you get PROPPER RESULTS.

LOOK UP AMD PITCAIRN http://bit.ly/1bERprx
IT IS 2012
THEN

LOOK UP AMD BONAIRE http://bit.ly/1bERJ9t
IT IS 2013

THE 2013 7850 IS NOT PITCARN

second , the closest thing to the XB1 apu so far is The announced but not yet released KAVERI APU GCN 2.0 HSA HUMA

i did look at it and the 7790 is most certainly NOT more powerful than the 7850, it doesnt matter that its a newer model, its weaker, sure it has a faster clock but half the bandwidth. You are just making very uninformed assumptions, here look at the benchmarks http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/778?vs=776 yourself, just look at the 7850 outperform the 7790 in every single test

and p.s. the 7850 and 7790 are not exactly the same as hwats in the PS4 and X1, but they are the closest equivalents

If you read the provided link you would know that the 7850 pitcarn is not only weaker than the 7790 Bonaire but was replaced by it, as the 7850 pitcarn is a year older than the 7790 bonaire
see the chart here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Core_Next
7850 pitcarn is a march 2012 product
7790 bonaire is a march 2013 gcn 1.1 product
and i said 37 is young because the person my comment is referring to said i was a young fella

Wow, that’s some delusional shit right there! And when did Sony claim it to be so powerful? If anything i remember MS trying to boast more than Sony.
And p.s. the 7850 smokes the 7790 and 37 is old

Sorry, but you gave me no choice
I guess 37 is still young.
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BONAIRE 7790 V PITCAIRN 7850

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as we know many websites are saying XB1 Is using an HD 7790 Bonaire and that PS4 uses a 7850 Pitcarn. What they fail to mention is the 7790 is more powerful than the 7850 according to chart on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Core_Next

it also states

the 7850 Pitcarn had 2gb of ram against 7790 Bonaire 1gb of ram the bonaire out performs it with less ram and stream processors.

GFLOPS

128 BUS 7790 896 stream cores 1,792 GFLOP

256 BUS 7850 1024 usable stream cores 1,761 GFLOP

The 7790 Bonaire (march 2013)was released after the 7850 Pitcairn (march 2012)causing the Pitcairn to be discontinued.

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Radeon HD 7800

Codenamed Pitcairn, the Radeon HD 7800 series was formally unveiled on March 5, 2012, with retail availability from March 19, 2012. Products include the Radeon HD 7870 and Radeon HD 7850. The Radeon HD 7870 features 1280 usable stream cores, whereas the Radeon HD 7850 has 1024 usable stream cores. Both cards are equipped with 2 GB GDDR5 memory and manufactured on TSMC’s 28 nm process.[11]

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Radeon HD 7700

Codenamed Cape Verde, the Radeon HD 7700 series was released on February 15, 2012. Products include the Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition and Radeon HD 7750. The Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition features 640 stream cores based on the GCN architecture, whereas the Radeon HD 7750 has has only 512 usable stream cores. Both cards are equipped with 1 GB GDDR5 memory and manufactured in 28 nm. On March 22, 2013 another card, Radeon HD 7790, was introduced in this series. This card is based on the Bonaire architecture, featuring 896 stream cores based on GCN 1.1 technology, an incremental update of GCN. After the introduction the Radeon HD 7790, AMD discontinued the Radeon HD 7850.

Now though I believe XB1 is based off Kaveri, it’s just funny to see all over the web it seems none of these journalist or tech sites know that the 7790 Bonaire is a year newer and the replacement for the 7850 Pitcarn

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WHY XB1 IS PROBABLT MOST LIKELY BASED ON AMD’S NEXTGEN KAVERI

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Digital Foudry as well as many other sites claim PS4 IS AN HD 7850 PITCARN AND THE XBOX ONE IS A 7790 BONAIRE. They are basing XB1 ones off of MS tech guy stating it has 768 op/sec , That gpu cannot produce The XB1 E3 showing of graphic power. These tech sites must know that. THE BEST contender for XB1 GPU is AMD’s NEXT GEN Kaveri GCN 2.0 HSA HUMA APU.

AMD’s Kaveri APU is the base roadmap for M$ Chipset.

It’s AMD’ next gen APU

It uses DDR3 still

It’s 768sp at the specialty high end range

It’s in the 100 watt range like XB1

It’s capable of fulfilling Kinects 2.0 feature set.

It uses steamroller dual thread cores

Its over 1 tflop

768SP HSA HUMA GCN 2.0 AT 12SC ON XB1 KAVERI BASED GPU IS MORE POWERFUL THAN 1,152sp ON PS4 NON HSA GCN 1.1

768SP IS ASPECIALTY HIGHEND VERSION OF KAVERI (XB1 IS 768SP COINCIDENCE?)

http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-apu-architecture-detailed-generation-apu-featuring-steamroller-gcn-cores/

AMD’S FIRST HSA APU IS KAVERI

http://us.hardware.info/news/35397/computex-amd-gives-first-demonstration-of-kaveri

AMD HSA HAS KINECT FEATURES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Em_EsEgLo

video

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2272762/computex-amd-debuts-fourth-generation-kaveri-apu-chip-video

ON the other hand PS4 is not HSA this is why DEV’s told Digital foundry

“Behind the scenes, developers have suggested to us that we shouldn’t jump to conclusions about the extent of the PlayStation 4’s superiority, and that the 50 per cent boost in GPU power emphatically won’t result in a likewise boost to in-game performance.”

DF stated this in paragraph 2 of

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-can-xbox-one-multi-platform-games-compete-with-ps4

the title even say’s IN THEORY. XBOX 1 AT HOTCHIPS 2013 should blow PS4 dinosaur tech out of the water. At Hot Chips: A Symposium on High Performance Chips ( http://www.hotchips.org/ ) Microsoft will display it’s new breakthrough technology in the XBOX 1 in a presentation

Tue 8/27 after 5 P.M.

XBOX One Silicon John Sell and Pat O’Connor

see at http://www.hotchips.org/

M$’s Gpu is future AMD TECH BASED

SONY stated in their

” Sony Management Discusses Q1 2013 Results -Earnings Call Transcript ”

PS4 is all existing Off the shelf TECHNOLOGY

( http://seekingalpha.com/article/1594282-sony-management-discusses-q1-2013-results-earnings-call-transcript?page=4&p=qanda&l=last )

This is why Microsoft’s Albert Penello stated,

“Given the rumored specs for both systems, can anyone conceive of a circumstance or decision one platform

holder could make, where despite the theoretical performance benchmarks of the components, the box that

appears “weaker” could actually be more powerful?”

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=66980146#post66980146

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XBOX ONE 32MB ESRAM (onchip memory similar to EDRAM BUT NEEDS NO REFRESH)

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Did you know that the AMD 7970 has 12mb of SRAM and the 7990 has 24mb of SRAM?

For everyone who says 32MB OF SRAM is to small, it’s almost three times the sram in AMD’s Raedon 7970 lots of people on

digital foundry as well as many other sites said 32mb is too small, they don’t know what they are talkng about. I do, I have

proof

SRAM IN XBOX ONE IS 32MB simultaneous read and write.

SRAM IN AMD Radeon™ HD 7970 AROUND 12MB SEE PG 16 ON

http://www.amd.com/us/Documents/GCN_Architecture_whitepaper.pdf

PS2 had EDRAM

WII 2MB EDRAM

XBOX 360 10MB EDRAM

WII u 32MB EDRAM

PS3/Ps4 = none

YET MARK CERNY says on-chip memory gives hardware a huge boost then downplays its advantages by saying Dev’s would have to learn how to use it. In actuallity on-chip memory has been on multiple console over a decade, not to mention PC cpu’s and AMD GPU’S. What a load of nonsense sony is.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/29/mark-cerny-explains-how-the-ps4s-8-gb-gdrr5-ram-and-bus-work-and-why-they-were-

chosen/

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AMD RAEDON 7990 (DUAL 7970) = 24MBSRAM ,6GB GDDR5, 384BIT BUS, = FOR MEMORY 576GBS BANDWITH PRICE $1000

THE UNIVERSITY LEVEL ON SRAM (SCREW DIGITAL FOUNDRY AND ANANDTECH THEY ARE POSERS )

http://www.cse.unt.edu/~smohanty/Presentations/2010/MohantyISQED2010TalkMulti-Port-SRAM.pdf

http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ece548/localcpy/sramop.pdf

HERE IS AMD 7990 (DUAL 7970 3GB GDDR5 12MB ESRAM)

SPECS

The GPU core is clocked at 1000MHz, 8% higher than the HD 7970, while the memory is clocked 9% higher at 1500MHz (6.0GHz DDR). Pairing that frequency with a 384-bit memory bus gives the HD 7990 a theoretical bandwidth of 288GB/s per GPU, for a whopping 576GB/s total

SOURCE= http://www.techspot.com/review/663-amd-radeon-hd-7990/

It’ll be better than you think, young fella.