Battlefield 1 Dev Talks Xbox One Scorpio And Whether Consoles Will Ever Outpower PCs In Future

“[The Scorpio] is not a problem for us, we just scale.”

Posted By | On 25th, Jul. 2016 Under News | Follow This Author @Pramath1605


Battlefield 1

Battlefield 1 will be, like all DICE games are, a technical marvel, and another monument to the glory that is the Frostbite engine. However, a lot of DICEs work has been lost on the current generation of consoles- the PS4 and Xbox One are far too weak to handle the full extent of DICE’s vision for their games, so any fan wishing to play Battlefield 4 or Battlefront in all their glory must play them on PC, or put up with compromised versions.

But surely that problem will be alleviated, at least to some extent, with the launch of the Xbox One Scorpio next year, which promises to be a far more powerful console than either the Xbox One or the PS4? Did DICE have the Scorpio in mind when they were creating Battlefield 1? In an interview with Metro UK, DICE’s Patrick Bach discussed how the company approached the Scorpio, and how it fit into their development plans.

“Since we are on PC this is not a problem for us, we just scale,” Bach said. “We just crank it up. When we build the games we build them here [indicates one end of a line with his hands], and then the PC that you can buy today is here [indicates slightly further down the line] and the question is just where are the consoles on this scale? So if they give us a better console we just crank it up and it’ll be more awesome.”

Bach also shared his opinion on the notion that consoles may ever be able to outperform gaming PCs again- at least for a while. This used to be the case long ago, when consoles such as the N64 were far beyond gaming PCs, at least at launch. When asked whether there will be a time when consoles will be more powerful than PCs, just like the old days, Bach sounded optimistic.

“I hope so. I thought [the N64] days were awesome, when they actually out PC-ed the PCs,” he enthused. “But I think the PC industry has learnt now that they can’t rest. They have to always move on, and that’s what’s happened for the last 10 years. Every time there’s a new console and it beats the PC, then the PC that comes out before the console comes out is actually better.”

Battlefield 1 is going to launch on the Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and PC. The Xbox One Scorpio is due out by Holiday 2017.

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  • legacy

    Who’s waiting to Christmas 2017 to play this,another useless article

    • d0x360

      Useless like the weekly elder scrolls 6 articles? A game that we know has at least 2 other games between it lol. They did the same with fallout 4. 3 years of weekly articles before the game was even announced.

      I know I plan on buying tons of games and sticking them in a shelf until the new consoles come out. /sarcasm

    • Nintengods

      No console is ever getting the best version. Certainly not the PS4 32X

    • Eddie Battikha

      Ur Just jealous cause NX will have PS4 graphics and it comes out in 2017.

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      Actually more like PS3

    • Eddie Battikha

      Ive had fun with my PS4 since day 1, But an upgrade after 3 years is fine to me, Sony XBR930D 55 inch 4K HDR TV and PlayStation 4.5 I can’t wait this October.

  • d0x360

    Up until this current generation consoles did out PC the PC at least for a time. The problem(?) is if never takes PC long to catch up.

    For example Microsoft with the 360 invented the modern GPU with a unified shader pipeline which allowed the 360 to punch well above what looking at raw numbers would lead you to believe. For about 6-7 months it was the most advanced GPU on the market but Microsoft licensed that patent to nvidia and AMD for use in PC GPUs. Go Microsoft!

    Go back again and you see the Dreamcast/ps2 era. At each of their launches they were more capable at 3d gaming than the PC because they could do more with less as dedicated to the metal devices.

    Again the same applies with the n64, ps1, SNES, genesis, nes..

    The problem today is consoles are just PC’s they no longer have specialized dedicated chips that PC’s dont have like they used to. The chances of ever seeing a console, even at launch being able to outclass what can be bought on PC is infinitely slim.

    If you want to you can spend $1000 on a CPU, $1000+ on a GPU, $1000+ on ram… There is just no way any console manufacturer can compete with that. Well they could but their investors would fire everyone in the company for allowing it to happen. The amount of money per box they would have to lose would be astronomical.

    At the end of the last generation you could build a $400 PC that was more capable than the consoles that were out by a good margin. At the start of the current generation that price on the PC end went up to about $1000 but it also dropped quickly and will continue to drop. When zen is released people are expecting a 6-8 core multi thread CPU between 2.4-3.2 GHz for $200 and you can buy the AMD 480 today for $200. Both of those components far outclass both consoles combined.

    I dont know what planet this person from DICE comes from or what time era they just popped out from but its just not ever going to happen again.

    By the time Scorpio launches a 6 tflop PC GPU will be low end. Add in dx12 and vulkan which allow PC to run games on the same level as consoles with no abstraction layers and there is just no chance.

    Sorry console only gamers but you will always be behind the PC. It wasn’t always that way but its that way now and just won’t change.

    • Psionicinversion

      no it didnt go upto $1000. an i3+750Ti at least matched the ps4 which was no where near a grand to build.

    • Eddie Battikha

      Nice try, u can play a PS4 but u can’t play a i3 +750Ti

    • Psionicinversion

      What are you on about? Digital foundry used that system to compete with consoles all the time till this year or end of last year

    • d0x360

      I would disagree there but there is a reason. If we are talking about a PC capable of what we were seeing at launch…sure you are 100% right but for a PC that would be able to compete with either console a year or more down the line?

      I dont know any PC with an i3/750ti that can match uncharted 4, tomb raider, hitman, gears 4, doom etc.

      You need to take into account how console games evolve over time as they get used to hardware and the tool chain improves.

    • Psionicinversion

      Digital foundry used that system for at least 2 years for console comparison. The 750ti started getting ram limited more than anything after that so they replaced it with something else. Havnt looked in a while so dunno what there new budget gfx card is.

      Hitman is quite easy to run. Dunno about rise of the tomb raider it will do a bit better than a budget system but x1 running easyish settings.

      Doom was originally limited by opengl and AMDs rubbish drivers. Vulkan has completely changed that. Can’t compare uncharted to anything but that’s a product of 5 solely on 1 system with custom everything to achieve it. Gears 4 well we’ll have to wait and see on that one by if the past is anything to go by performance won’t be too great at least at first. Plus it’s running on UE4 which is an engine NVIDIA biased so no custom engine there

    • d0x360

      Sorry bud but your wrong. You aren’t reading what I’m saying and no hitman is not easy to run and tomb raider is very demanding as well even to reach xb1 settings.

    • Eddie Battikha

      Ur absolutely right I experienced them all, But if u care about 1st party exclusives and don’t game too much PlayStation is where it’s at. Sony XBR930D 55 inch 4K HDR TV and PlayStation 4.5 this fall I can’t wait.

    • Mark

      I hear u, but I’ll take 6tf on Xbox anyday! Also, my dream is to be able to tweak my settings on a console and to be able to run 60fps whenever I want. For me Project Scorpio’s lookin like a wish come true. Perhaps one day I’ll get into PC gaming….in fact I was seriously thinkin about going PC next yr, till the Scorpio news started leaking. Crazy stuff

    • jp

      same here, Ive been playing on PC since 1999, I just want to play on a console due to the ease of access and use, the Scorpio is the perfect match for me.

    • Mark

      Funny u mention 1999, dude that year I was in love wit DreamCast! It had the best graphics on consoles man. Soul Calibur, Ready to Rumble, NFL 2K, uggh great memories. I’m hoping the Scorpio gives me that feeling again….I want it to be the DreamCast 2! Lmao. Just a great push by both Sony & Microsoft imo

    • jp

      yeah, I think consoles excluding this gen, have always brought something new to the table, the Xbox 360 with a lot of features consoles could only dream of having at that time, and the PS3 with the blu ray player was a good option.

    • d0x360

      Oh I hear you. I’m 100% down for the Scorpio. Its a logical move that allows them to better keep pace with PC.

      I also hope someday you take the plunge into PC gaming. Its truly incredibly and the freedom it offers is second to none.

  • Psionicinversion

    consoles will never outclass a PC ever again. The only reason they did before was they had powerful cpu+gpus and MS and Sony took big losses on the hardware. Now they can see people still buy it without selling it for a loss they will never do it again. Like spencer with the scorpio, yes im sure one day pcs will beat it……. they already can.

    • Graeme Willy

      I wouldn’t say “never.” The fact is, is if it has happened at all before, then it can again. The N64 did it, and the PS3 and 360 did to some degree, too. This is no disrespect to PC’s, as I use them, too. But because methods and technologies change and consoles are usually the ones that are a.) the guinea pigs, and b.) the reason why new technologies get invented in the first place. It all stems from “how do we achieve a PC-like performance point at a low cost point?” Which usually results in completely overhauling how things are done, and implementing new features. And when these chip vendors like AMD agree to assist in co-designing new technologies with Microsoft and Sony engineers, there’s usually some agreement that is made that allows for AMD to collect “most” of the tech used, and implement it in their own GPU’s down the line. Usually, after an agreed exclusive amount of time, like, 1-2 years. Meaning, you might not see the tech that’s used in the console for a couple GPU generations, which is the same as saying Sony/ Microsoft owns that tech for that contractual period, which gives the console the upper hand, in that window, to where it may do things equivalent to a midrange-high end PC with minimal effort, while the PC will brute force its way to equivalent performance points e.g. by throwing more CU’s into the equation, or upping memory bandwidth, etc. So, yes, the PC wins all the time from a Raw Power point, but sometimes consoles have little tricks that are employed that may/ may not ever be seen on PC. ESRAM is one of those things we haven’t yet to see on PC, that is actually good, but was too little on Xbox 360 and Xbox One.

    • Psionicinversion

      youll never see esram on PC cus its stupid to put it on there. MS only did it as a band aid cus GDDR5 was to expensive at the time of designing it. Do you think the scorpio has esram??? hahahah nope and youll never see it again.

      Was async compute designed by MS or sony? nope that was in design from 2008-2009 to make it into GCN1 with mantle api in design to utilise which was later added to DX12 and mantle forming a solid base for vulkan development. Was HSA designed by those companies? nope thats all AMD. end of the day MS and Sony taken existing amd architecture and did a bit of modification to it and the new consoles were born.

      one of the problems back then was PS3 used Cell architecture and 360 used powerpc so a great deal of time was put in designing a game for that and then they slapped PC on after.

      But now they are more like PC’s than ever before PC is generally getting quite well done games unless the publisher doesnt care like warner brothers

    • sgt_hammertime

      on esram/edram on PC….maybe you should ask intel before talking that yap.

      async compute wasn’t designed by AMD, was done by evan Sutherland the father of computer graphics who worked for Sun Microsystems way before AMD…..i’m talking 2001 2002 time frame.

      last time I checked HSA wasn’t ONLY an AMD thing. they’re just one of the founding members.

      sure you take a design amd have and then you customize it to fit your needs and wants and those customizations amd can take and incorporate back into their future designs. like the way Microsoft use swizzle, efficient quad command processors, independent DMA etc.

  • Nintengods

    Consoles will only be judged by their games from now on.

    Which means Nintendo wins since Xbone and PS4 have no games

    Time to fill the buckets of tears, xdrones and $ony drones

    • Eddie Battikha

      When u get older u move on from Nintendo. I just like PlayStation because of their 1st party exclusives.

    • Hans Olo

      Totally agree Nintendo loses….NX WILL BE WII U.5 …or in closer terms…. Ps3.5 It appears to be using a Tegra K! graphics chip, which is found in Nvidias Shield home console. So It may be on par with Wii U…or a slight upgrade…The Nvidia Tegra K1 was suppose to offer PS3/360 graphics on par…but that was in 2015. So the NX may be running a lil faster than PS3…..think PS 3.5 http://www.eurogamer.net/artic… It will not be PS4/xbox one level or better. Nintendo it seems is not interested in making games to their full potential….before you Nintendo fanboys attack me, Ill say this…imagine the new Zelda and its potential if it was running on a powerful system with specs like PS4.5 Scorpio?? It appears the NX wil be on par with WII U.5 so once again Reggie Fils Aime is correct…they arent interested in teralfops or graphics.

  • Paul

    I think it is very unlikely that consoles will ever outclass PC again, we have to remember that the only real reason console did in the past was because the PC was a mess from not having a 3D card to being very expensive and so on, now now PC are quite cheap, much easier to use then they used to be and now we have low level api’s like Vulcan and DX12, also PC are getting cheaper all the time.

    Simple put, a lot of the advantages consoles had are disappearing one by one and now that PC’s and consoles are x86, thats more of a advantage to the PC then it is for consoles even though both benefit from it, in truth, on PC you can spend almost any amount and just outspend consoles, making it unlikely consoles will catch up again.

    Also there is another factor we should remember, consoles are now based on PC hardware, with that consoles can only be as powerful as hardware PC users get and it’s unlikely they will go for higher end hardware for consoles because of the cost.

  • Mr Xrat

    Heh, consoles won’t be outdoing PC.

    Yep, sure will be easy with scaling: previous frame rates and textures at 4K, if it can even do that natively for very long.

    • Nintengods

      And PS4 32X won’t even be doing 1080P 60FPS with low textues.

      And of course, neither PS Bore or Xboner have games.

      So much for mid-generation upgrades. NX automatically wins since it has games

    • noah

      How does the nx win? 2 games are confirmed and xbox and ps4 have over 300 games with almost a hundred more coming out in the next year. And legend of zelda is coming out on wii u also, so unless the 2 consoles have completely different versions, then its not as amazing as people are thinking.

    • Hans Olo

      NX will have games because they saved all their games form the unsuccessful WII U …btw NX WILL BE WII U.5 …or in closer terms…. Ps3.5 It appears to be using a Tegra K! graphics chip, which is found in Nvidias Shield home console. So It may be on par with Wii U…or a slight upgrade…The Nvidia Tegra K1 was suppose to offer PS3/360 graphics on par…but that was in 2015. So the NX may be running a lil faster than PS3…..think PS 3.5 http://www.eurogamer.net/artic… It will not be PS4/xbox one level or better. Nintendo it seems is not interested in making games to their full potential….before you Nintendo fanboys attack me, Ill say this…imagine the new Zelda and its potential if it was running on a powerful system with specs like PS4.5 Scorpio?? It appears the NX wil be on par with WII U.5 so once again Reggie Fils Aime is correct…they arent interested in teralfops or graphics.

  • Leonardo Muniz

    Ok, then. People from DICE simply treat consoles as s… When developing for consoles, they don’t do hardware specific optimisation as excpected. They simply throw a PC code port there and reduce engine presets until they hit 60fps.

  • Ucouldntbemorewrong

    Who cares that’s not the reason people play on consoles. Obviously PC’s will be more powerful. If we cared we would be on PCs! I work all day along with freelance work on computers (Graphic Design/Illustration/IT). Last thing I want to do at end of day is be on a computer again. Need some disconnect, Jesus.

  • MrVux007

    “However, a lot of DICEs work has been lost on the current generation of consoles- the PS4 and Xbox One are far too weak to handle the full extent of DICE’s vision for their games, so any fan wishing to play Battlefield 4 or Battlefront in all their glory must play them on PC, or put up with compromised versions.”

    I wont even start with this statement,especially with “compromised versions” part.

    (To the main topic)

    Consoles did quite well in 3 generations before this one (from Ps1-(mid)Ps3 era for example) compared to the PC-s at the time,especially in “price-to-performance” department.I stated (mid)Ps3 era since after 2009,PC overall beats consoles in both the pricing and “price-to-performance”.

    If rumors are anything to be believed in,the next generation of consoles will be stream boxes,so bottle-necking visuals and performance will be thing of the past.

    Oh before someone tells me that that wont happened since most of the people don’t have the internet speed good enough for that,pls keep in mind we are talking about consoles that will release post 2020(again,suggested by those very same rumors).

    So far the streaming platforms (Nvidia Shield and PS Now for example) demand a MINIMAL of 5 mbps and 20 mbps for OPTIMAL experience.
    The current average pricing for 20 mbps is 45$ and it will drop significantly as years go by(not to mention if you are using fiber internet).

    All in all,everything is a possibility at this stage as far as consoles vs PC performance goes.


 

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