Michael Pachter Says Xbox One X Sales Will Probably Be 1 Million This Holiday, Talks About Units Allocation

‘Realism is sometimes tough love,’ says Pachter.

Posted By | On 04th, Sep. 2017 Under News | Follow This Author @Pramath1605


Michael Pachter, well known analyst of Wedbush Securities, poked a hive last week when he called into question the claim that the reports of Xbox One X’s record breaking pre-orders are probably meaningless without context, and far from the extrapolations people are drawing from them. Today, speaking on Twitter, he followed up on his controversial remarks from yesterday.

Speaking on Twitter, Pachter clarified that while he doesn’t want the Xbox one X to fail, he needs to be realistic- and at $500, it’s not going to set the world on fire. That said, he foresees 1 million units sold worldwide through the Holiday season, which is not necessarily the best performance a system can put forth in its launch period that also coincides with the Holiday.

Pachter also explained his math a bit, for the US and the UK- for the US, he noted that Amazon comprises about 10% of the US video games market, and never gets allocations as big as physical retailers, so their stock was at most 10,000-15,000 units. For the UK as a whole, he pointed out that if he assumes an average of 2-3 consoles per 150,000 locations in the UK that sell video games (noting that some locations may have gone as high as 10, while others may not have had any allocations at all), the total number still comes to only 150,000.

Whether or not you agree with his math, I think the larger point here is clear- this is just early success, and it is not indicative of the long term health or viability of the Xbox One X. This early success also is not contextualized, thanks to the total lack of numbers- and until Microsoft starts sharing those again, we will always be left to guess.

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  • DA-ROOSTER

    Since it’s launch Sony has never revealed the PS4 PRO sales numbers so why does Microsoft need to be pressured by Pachter and the mainstream media to reveal the Xbox One X sales numbers?

    • Luke Skywalker

      hmm, you got a point

    • J.j. Barrington

      No, he doesn’t

    • J. Locanas

      238K for 1st month on sale according to NPD via Playstation Lifestyle (google it). Compared to 1-3M for X on 1st month’s launch, I’d say X is a success for a premium console (not targeting mainstream but hardcore)…

    • kevin

      Lol x isn’t going to sell anywhere from 1 to 3 million that’s dreaming. Oh and that article you’re talking about was for the us only so you trying to compare that to the x expected global numbers is funny

    • J. Locanas

      Will see. I think what you’ll find is a lot of people who left 360 to go PS4 at the start of the generation will come back into the fold, propping X numbers higher than PS4 Pro. It won’t hit mainstream S or base PS4 numbers, but it will sell better than Pro.

    • andrewsqual

      After E3 and Gamescom this year, I know 2 Xbox only gamer friends who are DONE with gaming lol. That is how much the state of Xbox has got to them.

    • J. Locanas

      That’s nice, I know 5 who are getting the X, and they each know a few also.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Why would they go back to Xbox?

    • LifeOnMars

      I don’t know anybody who has preordered XBOX X.

    • J. Locanas

      Good for you, I know 5 lol

    • J. Locanas

      Well, considering global numbers are around 2-3M for the PS4 Pro 6 months in, that’s not really impressive. You also have to realize that US is largest world market by far, so 238K is the max for the place with the largest marketshare. EU and Asia will all be smaller than that so that puts it still at < 600K…

    • Foozi

      This guy is an idiot. We had a debate several days ago and I exposed his bogus numbers and he ran from our debate. He thinks Xbox one X sold 1-3 million in the US already based on 1X position on Amazon’s charts and PS4 Pro launch numbers on the NPD charts. What he doesn’t realize that PS4 Pro launch numbers isn’t included in the Amazon’s charts from 2017. I asked for proof and facts and this idiot ran.

    • Mr Xrat

      LOL it’s Jeremiah and his trying to apply worldwide numbers to Amazon US again.

    • Foozi

      You ran after I exposed your you for posting inaccurate numbers.

      X didn’t launch with 1-3 million, you idiot.

    • angh

      http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/06/05/sony-psvr-sales-top-1-million-20-of-ps4-sales-since-november-are-a-pro/

      We know that sales at November were around 46-48 millions. So at least 2 millions of ps4 has been sold in half a year.

    • Sp4ctr0

      PS4 Pro is too slow to compare it to Xbox X. Check Gran Turismo Sport vs Forza Motorsport 7

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6tJN187K7k

      Forza use 2x higher resolution (4K with 8 million pixels) and still looks much better than Gran Turismo.

    • Bilal Prince-Ali

      if you say so lool…..

    • Mr Xrat

      You know things are bad when an MS fanboy like Tom Warren is unimpressed by another Forza.

    • angh

      too slow for… what, actually?
      And why should I compare anything to Forza? I enjoy car simulation games, not simcades. Compare Forza physic to rFactor or iRacing, sim games aren’t about the graphic.

    • Bilal Prince-Ali

      Well Sony did say that the PS3 Pro represents 1/5 PS4’s purchased during its launch period… so that’s a good number tbh…

    • Mr Xrat

      Hey Kirky, nice to see you crawling back to get owned. BTW Pro performance is 20% of PS4 shipments since launch. You can figure it out.

  • StarkyLuv

    Note that Pachter goes out of his way to say he doesn’t “want” the X to fail, but that is a lie. Of course he does because he’s predicting it will. That’s his only function in the industry, to spew his bullshit predictions. He wants to be correct.

    And then he spits out the same idiocy that many others have. The X is THE EXACT SAME PRICE THE ORIGINAL XBOX ONE WAS. And that sold just fine. (This is where haters state that the PS4 sold more, meaning that the One “failed”).

    You’re getting a MUCH better machine than the One at the same launch price. I think MS will sell as many Xbox One Xs as they can produce.

    • Luke Skywalker

      yeah high possibility they will sell. but I’m hoping the production processes is not weak in the sense that the workers assembling the damnn thing doesn’t mess up and ship duds. because that would definitely make shoppers take a pause before they buy and we know how the internet would blow it up already.

    • andrewsqual

      The way the internet “blew up” the last time Microsoft rushed a console out that overheated and died before even putting a game in it? Yeah, damn you internet.

    • Luke Skywalker

      yeah, it carried on for years even after the issue was fixed.

    • J.j. Barrington

      The way they handled it sure didn’t help, did it?

    • 7770777

      Did you know that every PlayStation before the Xbox 360 only had a 90-Day warranty? I do because I went through 6PS2’s. You can thank Microsoft for that 1-yr warranty on your PlayStation.

    • Rafoca

      Here in Brazil, if we pay a few extra money we get 3 years of warranty. Also, if the warranty expires Microsoft asks our console back, free of any mail delivery fees, and asks a very low price to send us another console, a refurbished one. It’s a great deal. Sony doesn’t do anything similar here. In fact, games are more expensive on Brazilian Ps store Than on Brazilian Xbox store. Also, Xbox console here costed half the price of a PlayStation when both launched. Basically, owning a PlayStation is not worthy

    • J.j. Barrington

      Isn’t that because Microsoft manufactures Xbox in Brazil?

    • LifeOnMars

      I have owned Playstation
      1.2.3.&4, PSP & PS Vita.The only failure is the Original PS3 after 5 years. ALL UK Playstation have always had 1 year min warranty.
      I owned 4 Xbox 360’s 3 of them failed, for me Xbox One is the most unreliable console ever made.

    • 7770777

      I don’t believe you.

    • LifeOnMars

      That’s your problem. But its the truth. .

    • Luke Skywalker

      explain this for me because i’m at a loss as to how they could have handled it any better than they did.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Denying that there WAS a problem until faced with legal action?

    • 7770777

      You don’t know your Sony history very well huh? Sony was threatened with legal action because of disc read errors with the Ps2. Only they did nothing to make amends. They simply let the 90-day warranties pass then told people to #dealwithit

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      @sgt_hammertime:disqus Hey J.j.! Guess what this phony Luke Skywalker just did?

      After day chanting that the xbone version of minecraft had “obviously” outsold Uncharted 4 cause minecraft had sold 100 million… (he maybe didn’t know minecraft sales include pc, mobile, tablets, 360, ps3, wiiu, xbone, and ps4)

      Anyways, after I proved it from multiple sources, instead of admitting I was right….HE DELETED HIS WHOLE THREAD!!!! (all his answers so I couldnt even reply him).

      Can you believe that?

      Be aware that this fanboy only rants what he wants but when you prove him wrong he will dissapear like the sneakiest cowards out there!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/db985784a3cab9adf2ee6b977251af6a4175da7f78e86eb81ec97d304eedf5bf.png

    • Luke Skywalker

      first off: you haven’t proven anything, your original claim was that uncharted 4 outsold Minecraft on xbox, I asked you for proof which you tried to use vgchartz, I then showed you that vgchartz was fake.
      you then showed a chart that said “top selling games of 2016” but there was no Minecraft, I then showed you that minecraft sold 122 million copies and 9 months into 2016 it sold over 22 million copies. I then asked you that if Minecraft sold at least 22 million in 2016 how is it not represented on that chart? you had no answer.
      you then posted a different chart from a gamesmrkt magazine even if legit only accounted for the first half of 2015 in the European market.

      you have shown no real or concrete proof that uncharted outsold Minecraft on Xbox.

      second: I did not delete my comments. in a different thread on dualshock I found out that guesseppie and some users there were members of a hentai website with all kinds of sick sexual shitt with drawings of kids and weird nasty stuff. one of the users there commented on some of the things on the that website so it was easy to see the type of crapp they were looking at there. I said they had pedo tendencies which they claimed it’s just p0rrn and that millions of people fap to porrn, I said yes people fap to p0rrn and that there’s nothing wrong with that but the type of crapp they fap to is sick. then literally 10 seconds or something like that after I posted what I found about that damn editor over there I was blocked (it’s easy to find his alt name too).

      third: remember you’re the idiot who can’t back up his claim or even be a man and own up to your mistake and say “I was wrong”. I have no reason to hide or delete anything from you. all you’ve been is just waste of time and nothing more. get back to me when you can actually prove something

    • 7770777

      You don’t want to argue with that psycho. Hes paid Sony marketing. He only posts on stories from 3 specific websites, all are front websites. Seriously, the guy will stalk you. Id block him, and let him talk to himself. That’s what I had to do.

    • Luke Skywalker

      yeah he’s been stalking me for quite a while now, days, probably weeks if not over a month now.

    • J.j. Barrington

      It’s a small world, moron. We visit the same gaming sites; of course we’re gonna run into each other. You say dumb crap and I rebut you: welcome to the internet.

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      Stalking you? So aside from a moron a coward and a liar you also pretend to play the victim?

      They are called replies for a reason moron! If you didn’t want them you should ask, instead of making a challenge and then run off every time you lose it!

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      Lol you wish I was!

      I am a user that can post on every single website and I only use facts!

      So, if you blocked me, it must have been cause I kept exposing your lies and stupidity!

    • J.j. Barrington

      So you went on an immature, unrelated rant that totally outed you as the fanboy you were- and your other comments in the article showed just how blinded you are, not just the completely ignorant comments about hentai- and now you wanna play the victim?

    • Luke Skywalker

      this had nothing to do with being a victim of anything, and I am not claiming or acting as if I was victimized.
      also the conversation thread had nothing to do with being a fanboy so I don’t see how I could be “outed” as being a “fanboy” of anything or that’s the narrative over there now? I would like you to explain that.

      multiple users there are members of the ehentai website (I showed pictures), after the conversation went on for a while they said how would i know what kind of stuff they look at on that website (I couldn’t posted pictures of it) I let them know that it was easy to see because if you follow their names you will see the stuff they commented on the website (I only had checked one user at the time). anyone can do the same thing that I did and find out for themselves, my comments were not ignorant, they were spot on, check for yourself before you disregard it, you’ll see it too.

      now seeing what I know about that editor over there at dualshockers I removed the website from my reader. i think it sort of explains a lot about that website and some of those Japanese games they review ….well not so much the games but more the pics they use sometimes for their article cover.
      The 1 penny that they’d get from ads when I visit is over, not like they needed it or anything but i’m done supporting them.

    • J.j. Barrington

      So… still going into ignorance?

      Well, it’s you, so I”m not at all surprised.

    • Luke Skywalker

      interesting. i see.
      anyway, nothing lost, nothing gained.

    • kma99

      Don’t worry Luke he will not comprehend anything you say. JJ doesn’t even know what happens when someone’s account gets compromised.
      As for quim he was caught posting under 2 accounts and forgot to change his name. When I called him out he quickly deleted the comments and asked me to promptly prove he did it.

    • Luke Skywalker

      lol he got busted like that

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      No I didn’t! @kma99:disqus never showed evidence of that! not even his comments being replied a deleted comment!

      Now you should focus on accepting the schooled I gave you again last night!

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      How come you couldnt prove it the way I did it with @sgt_hammertime:disqus ?

      I told you how to do it, yet you kept saying that wasnt possible!

      I guess I just exposed your lies one more time!

    • kma99

      Because you deleted the comments before I could cap it duhhhhhhhh.
      I wrote a respond and promptly realizes that you were replying under the wrong name. I made mention of it immediately not expecting you to be the clown that we already knew you were. Little did I know you deleted every comment as I went back to try and screenshot it but noo you deleted everything then asked me to prove it was you.

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      Wow! That story is almost believable… Only for dumb brutes like you!

      If you weren’t so s t u p i d, you would know your lie would never hold up cause you can ALWAYS find the replies even if they are deleted!

      Here! Let me expose your lie and stupidity ONE MORE TIME :

      I destroyed the dumb claim from @sgt_hammertime:disqus and he didn’t dare to respond it for two days before he deleted its comments Or he “got banned for pedophilia” (if you believe a liar’s excuse) in any case, here there is the thread without his responses :
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8cc2f2abe90dd22ee8c65cd7b3e5fdeb481c751bad97c2840fd4e0560771c3a4.jpg (which you never showed)

      Now, your lie depends on the fact that you could no longer see my responses on the notifications section of disqus and that the whole thread was gone. Well, even if that’s correct, you can ALWAYS find your comments on your profile!
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ea2c8f25c9db69a035c8802e480087e32602f018a6663a53d7c84f23c5ae12de.png (which you never showed)

      But more importantly, and this where your whole lie crumbles, no matter how much someone deletes his comments or how long, you can ALWAYS find their original comments on your mail :
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e404b8a4738f2b4283b1819fc0219be395d2e5f7bbf165b2ba722e9d7ba893d7.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/905d7a85bd7030924f2ec4f7866f0d0bcbf85aa98a920306833b9971d0ea70f4.png (which you never showed and NEVER WILL cause it never happened)

      BOOOOM R E T A R D! YOUR LIE HAS BEEN EXPOSED AGAIN!

      Now I want to see you how you’ll squirm and justify this one!

      I’ll just add your soulmate (or alter username) @disqus_65yH5pZ3s9:disqus so he can see you have been destroyed just as he’s been in the past!

      #kma99alsoknownastrumpyisstillmybitch

    • kma99

      I’m not reading all of that crap. And of course my story is believable because it’s true. Everyone knows about you sony weirdos

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      Of course you “wont”! Don’t worry, the rest will!

      You just got exposed for good!

      So what is it?

      Am I so skilled and intelligent that I cracked your password for disqus and your mail and deleted all evidence?
      Are you the only re tard on the planet that ignores all replies are saved on your mail?
      You are just an angry liar that invented that in order to deflect the spanking I was giving you?

      I guess we all know now its the last two!
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d763b72a9214cc0d5cf73394310b26b2327ddd0ba742b441f46cdaedf4a59f63.gif

      #kma99isanexposedliarandhesmybitch

    • kma99

      Lol you’re a known liar. You always ask for proof when you get caught. You just admitted as much when you accused someone else of lying and he called you out only for you to backtrack. Shut up NUT lol.

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      LOL you didnt answer! like always!

      If I were a known liar, that would mean I lie and get exposed a lot!

      How come NO ONE HAS EVER SHOWN ANY EVIDENCE OF ME LIYING?

      the very same way I exposed HIS and YOUR lies!

      Are you saying everyone is as stu pid as you?

      Or, more likely scenario, Its just another lie from you!

      #noproofnogamesnosalesnoscores

    • J.j. Barrington

      Which other account?

      Sorry, you’re still just as delusional as always.

    • kma99

      Learn how to read before responding. Word placement is key to figuring out what I said lol. Clown who doesn’t know what a compromised account is lol

    • J.j. Barrington

      Still don’t know what compromised means, do you?

      Which other account did I post under?

    • kma99

      Did i say you posted under another account? I started a new paragraph and talked about the other guy you nut ball. Lol you really didn’t graduate high school lol? I even stated his name so you wouldn’t get it confused lol you dummy.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Something lost: your ability to comment on a site you frequented, all because you… what, exactly, WAS the purpose of that rant of yours?

    • Luke Skywalker

      weird….I don’t feel as if I’ve lost anything, but here you are telling me I’ve lost something….weird

      i’m sure you know that I can easily create a gmail account and login from my mobile and comment as much as I please or I can call up my internet provide change my ip + a gmail account change and comment as much as I please from my PC. but this is where I chose not to, so again, nothing lost, nothing gained. I rather not mix with perverts like them.
      oh and outing them over there is called a rant now? lol ok.

    • 7770777

      You cant lecture anyone about fanboyism. You lay on anti-Xbox sites everyday preaching your impotent anti-Xbox’ pro-Sony, stupidity. Go hump someones leg that hasn’t figured out what you are yet.

    • Smart guy

      That’s all these guys do smh

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      What a liar!

      1st, It was and still is my claim, cause it did! You never proved vgchartz was fake, you shown a decade old “article” that contained Zero evidence, (no pictures, links, references) and even claimed no one took them seriously (and I proved you wrong there as well) still, I went and gave you more evidence from many sources!

      You claim I had no response to your dumb 22 million copies in one year argument? Let’s see : https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3269d2a9f761da5c717b278f87df1cf7a41454d5da5c3ad8dc62a02071ca0398.png that’s a reply you got 2 days before your ban and you didn’t dare to answer it. There in red is the reason minecraft didn’t made the charts, cause they don’t track the games with all versions combined as Npd does, they track them individually and they don’t track pc, mobile and tablet market! That’s the reason moron!

      Now, I also gave you another chart that tracked xbone games only, and minecraft didn’t get to the top 10 (which was 1.3 million worldwide) on 2015.

      I also have you numbers from the European video game software sales showing how the 360/xbone version combined didn’t even sell half a million in Europe in half a year!

      I also showed you how the xbone version of minecraft didn’t even cracked the npd the month it launched, and it only got to number 7 in UK at launch and combined with the 360 version.

      So there are more than enough sources proving that minecraft on xbone never got even close to the more than 8.7 million we know uncharted 4 sold!

      SCHOOLED and re educated! Uncharted 4 has outsold every single xbone game ever and there’s nothing your fanboy @$$ can do to deny it! How is that for backing up my comments l0ser?

      But we know by now you don’t have the balls to admit I was right!

      #nogamesnoscoresnosalesnoevidence

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      See @jjbarrington:disqus ? I dismantled @sgt_hammertime:disqus claim that 22 million minecraft sales in one year would surely mean the xbone one sold more than 9 million with many sources and what did he do?

      He pretended he didnt get the message! he’s a coward like that!

    • StarkyLuv

      Oh, you mean the longest primary console in the history of gaming, the XBOX360? That one?

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      That would be the PS3. Next to the highest selling console ever….the ps2.

    • StarkyLuv

      Uh, no. But you fanboys keep fighting that war.

    • Frank Beans

      Notice if you read the tweets he didn’t go out of his way. He was asked a question and he answered it.

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      Grow up

    • Frank Beans

      I need to grow up because that guy went on a rant based on a false premise and I pointed it out?

    • d0x360

      Whats with the exactly 16 upvotes on all the posts that are either pro Sony or potential (or blatantly) anti Microsoft?

      Really odd…hmmm

      This site is a waste of time

    • andrewsqual

      “You’re getting a MUCH better machine than the One at the same launch price” FOUR YEARS LATER. Argument gone.
      Did you forget the original Xbox’s LIFE was only four years? Even less if you aren’t in the US.

      Here is a fact for you right now. The XboneX will NEVER achieve a sales milestone of 20 million units sold to consumers. Even standard Xbone achieved that (although we only know around 20 million definitely, nothing really confirmed above that number and abysmal dwindling sales every single month since XboneX’s announcement a year and 3 months ago can’t have helped it either).

      They didn’t even sell as many Xbones as they could produce in 2013 which was very evident by February 2014. And you think XboneX is going to sell faster or as consistently than the standard Xbone which again, didn’t sell even sellout its launch stock? Maybe YOU should be the next Michael Pachter lol.

    • Fweds

      Fake Upvotes

    • 7770777

      What we are seeing with Michael Pachter and the clickbait driven gaming media is a smokescreen. This wont be the fizzle they are getting their clicks from. Once the X hits the market two very important facts are going to faceplant these people doing damage control. First, every gaming website that does graphics comparisons will be forced to tell the truth(although the ones Sony is paying will damage control). Second, 4K HDR footage captured on the X will flood youtube. (note to youtubers, Google Chromecast is the only device currently that can render raw video with HDR, prolly want to give that a look)

      We know its coming. Sony is in a full blown panic. “Vega Enhanced” lmao, that’s a guaranteed smoke and mirrors exclusive but no multiplat promise, it is 100% damage control period. Also, the money Sony has spent Astroturfing gaming media with paid posters, and phony website fronts(cough,cough) has ramped up during every major gaming conference this year. They are wasting their money, truth is on its way.

    • Luke Skywalker

      the ones sony are paying are going to start comparing xbox one x to really high end PCs and say “look PC is better” without telling the really high PC specs they use.

    • Bilal Prince-Ali

      Sony is scared…? looooooooooooooooooooooooooooool aahahahha okkkk then buddy.. if you say sooooo 🙂

    • 7770777

      You can bet your a** they are scared. When Sony starts lying you know you have them by the balls.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6688f817c1fe363b231f23f6954cf01257a21facebe4429261ebdf297432fba3.jpg

    • Bilal Prince-Ali

      looooool…. ok 🙂 well then i guess with all their exclusives and with all their 3rd party support and marketing deals AND having a console that seems to be outselling everythingggg else (Switch’s limited supply should be taken into consideration here) Sony must be reallllyyyy scared….

      LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!! you guys are stupiddd and you Xbox fanboys are desperate enough to spout any garbage to defend yourselves… just enjoy your console because the Xbox One X is NO DOUBT the greatest console of all time from a hardware perspective theres no contesting that by any one! But the way you Xbox fanboys scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with all kinds of stupidity is insaneeeeee looool

    • Lightning

      Xflop Confirmed

      Nintendo Switch will outsell the xbonex

    • Luke Skywalker

      the switch is selling well, for Nintendo’s sake I hope the switch continues to do well.

    • Fweds

      Now read what the same person is saying today about how the Xbox1X is going to outsell the Pro.

      Sflop confirmed.

    • Mr Xrat

      You can want something to not fail and at the same time acknowledge that it has a high chance of doing so, StarkyTwat.

      “The X is THE EXACT SAME PRICE THE ORIGINAL XBOX ONE WAS.”

      You mean the thing that flopped so hard the Kinect was stripped out and $100 knocked off the price six months later?

      “You’re getting a MUCH better machine than the One at the same launch price.” And yet the practical difference so far between it and a year older, $100 cheaper machine isn’t making it stand out.

    • Fweds

      Fake Upvotes.

    • TheNorthFace

      someone ip ban this loser and get him out of his mothers basement

  • Tga215

    Lol he really good at spinning things

    • kevin

      No he’s just good at predicting because if he wasn’t he wouldn’t have a job

    • J. Locanas

      Lol, do your research and look up his past predictions. He’s almost never right – I don’t know what you’re smoking, hahaha. There’s a reason everyone wonders why Pachter wasn’t fired a long time ago for being wrong all the time…

    • andrewsqual

      People always say that yet http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2013/03/pachter_microsoft_will_deliberately_trash_the_playstation_4

      He was right about certain things here lol. They certainly tried to thrash the PS4 and it backfired IMMENSELY.

      And http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/5503/20130310/looking-gaming-analyst-michael-pachters-track-record.htm got to love the end of this one
      “And the predictions keep coming. At this year’s South By Southwest, as noted on Geoff Keighley’s Twitter, Pachter predicted the next generation of consoles will be last and Microsoft’s next console will include a TV tuner, Skype integration and a Kinect bundled with every one.

      Lol and he could even be right about the “last console” for Microsoft the way things are going anyway. Here is the tweet from 2013 just to prove it https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/310529380722024449/photo/1

      And Pachter already talked YEARS ago about how people like you are always quick to say he is wrong or not 100% accurate in a prediction (like getting a price cut off by a tenner or a price cut coming 2 weeks later than he predicted) but conveniently forget when he is right.

      And he is still right about that too ^_^

    • J. Locanas

      Check out Jason Griffith’s response to me on this same thread, it’s exactly what I was going to say. Cherry picking a few times he was right doesn’t change the fact that the majority of the time he is wrong.

    • J.j. Barrington

      He’s right about very obvious stuff, and usually wrong about everything else.

      But I understand that you’d want to ignore the times he’s right, because then you can’t just completely ignore what he says.

    • Jason Griffith

      Being wrong 99% of the time makes him horrible at is job, which is to push stock, like Sony’s. The only reason he even has a voice in gaming is due to Gametrailers and the fact that he was the only Wall street analyst willing to comment. He is only relevant to fanboy’s and fanboy wars. If he was truly accurate he would be on every major network in the world.

    • J. Locanas

      Yep, tell that to the other guy, lol…

    • Jason Griffith

      lol is was meant for the other guy. This site looks different on my phone.

    • kevin

      Yeah you’re right companies keep people employed who are bad at their job especially one as prestigious as his employer lol gtho

    • J. Locanas

      Oh please, there’s plenty of sneaky ways to make money in finance and keep your job while giving out bad advice. Look up how to short stock.

  • LifeOnMars

    XBox One launch was a disastrous, it did not start to sell resonabley well until after the price cut, by then Sony had a big lead in sales that was unstoppable at at least 2:1 and currently 3:1 worldwide over thelast few months.
    XBox One X will sell out during the Xmas period but after the hard core gamers and XBox fan boys have got their console it will be a very hard sell at £450.
    The Xbox One S is dead in the water and is selling dismally after the first few launch months.
    Let’s hope that the XBox One X gets a £100 price cut by easter to give competition for Sony. We all need Microsoft in the console business I would hate to see it leave.

    • Sp4ctr0

      Its always hard to sell fast hardware. For example more people still buy GeForce 750ti than GeForce 1070. Some gamers said that they don’t see any difference between 1.38 TFLOPS GeForce 750ti and newer 6 TFLOPS GeForce 1070. But some others see big difference.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39ff1335a5f45cc2fcc28fb78edc892e754478dca47dfb92e0a46096340ebdb5.jpg

    • LifeOnMars

      If I was to go for the GeForce 1070 for $500 I would be kicking myself 12 months later as it gets surpassed by a better card for the same price or even less. When I was into PC gaming it cost me a fortune in upgrades at least with the consoles you are good for the next 4 years.

    • d0x360

      What are you going on about? My 290x lasted from launch until a few months ago when I bought a GTX 1080 because I play on a native 4k display.

      The 1080 would easily last 4 years if I played games at 1440p, longer at 1080p.

      Consoles also don’t run at PC level settings so if you dial back the settings on PC from ultra to medium you are still getting better than console visuals at a higher frame rate.

      No PC gamer switches to consoles. Your parents had a PC and either it came with a gpu or you bought one and once it needed an upgrade you couldn’t afford it.

      Don’t try to lie your way into a consoles are cheaper argument. Right now I could build a PC that exceeds the abilities of the PS4 pro for the same price.

      A real gamer plays on everything. End of story.

    • LifeOnMars

      LOL my parents had a 15″ black and white TV.

    • Justin K

      I used to play on pc when i was a teen adult, then when it came time to upgrade, most of my pc friends stopped playing as much(we all got older, had jobs, women, some with kids) so instead i got the 360. ever since then i will probably never go back to pc, as i dont want to invest a lot of money into something i already have 2 of. so now i just play on xbox and i have two laptops for work, so i dont want or need a gaming pc. just saying. nothing wrong with pc gaming at all, but it just doesnt work in my life right now and i am fine without it.

    • TheNorthFace

      more reason to get the x xrat

    • Omar

      I’m convinced that u are Mr. Xrat

    • LifeOnMars

      Wrong as usual.

    • Jose Arcadio Morales

      ofcourse, you have 10 other nicknames mr sonypony

    • LifeOnMars

      Wrong again Omar

    • LifeOnMars

      Wrong again.

    • Fweds

      It is along with those Fake Upvotes.

    • Mr Xrat

      Of course you are, you aren’t very intelligent.

    • berj79

      get a job loser.

    • Fweds

      On the Xbox news with your negative nonsense and your Fake Upvotes again eh.

    • LifeOnMars

      Wrong again Omar

    • d0x360

      A million units over the holidays would be a pretty good number for a $500 console. Although it’s a console that crushes any other on the market and judging by Forza 7 and a couple of other things it looks like it will be good competition for PC at a lower price.

      I imagine Microsoft will do a price cut around holiday 2018 and they will also do tons of bundles like they always have to add value.

      If the sales numbers don’t meet their expectations they can easily afford to chop the price to PS4 pro levels. If there’s one thing that will hurt Sony big it would be a price war against a much more powerful console.

      The pro is barely an upgrade and most developers make little use of the extra power it has anyways. The difference with the x1x is they will just take the PC version and have a fully running port in a week then it’s just a matter of playtesting and tweaking to get the best performance and visuals possible.

      I know it’s pointless to post anything logical that’s also pro Microsoft here but it is what it is.

    • LifeOnMars

      Xbox One X will sell out at launch Microsoft will make sure of that. It’s a system launch during the Xmas period after 2 years of hype, they will want to sell as many as they can make, but I don’t think it will be a Million. After Xmas they will struggle to sell at £450, I expect a £100 price cut by Easter,leaving the fan boys shafted and bitter.

    • Fweds

      The ones who have felt shafted and bitter who bought the PS Protato that was originally pushed as 4k and would have full support, neither of those things turned out to be true.

      The Protato is $150 overpriced, outdated underpowered and featureless.

    • LifeOnMars

      I can’t wait for Easter to pick up my Xbollox with a game bundle for £350.

    • Fweds

      That would be an amazing price for a system with such powerful hardware and its many extra features such as Backward compatibility with every previous Xbox and an Ultra HD Blu-ray player.
      Can’t see anyone not buying one at that price, only one problem Sony would of had to drop their Protato price to FREE for it to happen.

      You do know that this topic has now changed again RIGHT ?

      In other words this so called Analyst is now saying Microsoft’s Xbox One X Will Outsell Sony’s PS4 Pro.
      Try reading today’s latest news, though come to think of it it’s probably not news you want to hear or read about.

    • LifeOnMars

      Just answering for fan boys….
      Just waiting for the Tombraider compassion puc to be posted ,LOL.
      LOOK GET REAL XBOTS THE XBOLLOX WILL BEA FINE CONSOLE WHEN IT’S FINALLY RELEASED, BUT IT’S JUST TO EXPENSIVE.

    • Fweds

      You can tell you are a PlayStation fanboy by your abysmal spelling.

      Why do you never mention the fact that the Protato is actually the console that is far more overpriced ? Tell us how overpriced the Protato is and how you justify it’s price over the real PS4 and the Xbox1X price ?

      The Xbox1X hardware is worth far far more than the outdated underpowered and featureless Protato so using your logic the Protato should be cheaper than the real PS4.

    • LifeOnMars

      Dam autotext

    • LifeOnMars

      XBOLLOX will outsell the PS4 Pro this Xmas but not worldwide over next year.

    • TheNorthFace

      pro is dead, go back to mars old man

    • LifeOnMars

      Time will tell.

    • d0x360

      If they can cut the price by $50 by Easter that’s fantastic news. The cheaper the better because the box absolutely smashes the PS4 pro. I bought a pro and despite it’s 4k support only a couple games actually look or run better. It was a waste of money. It only exists because of psvr anyways.

      And with that I’m done. I sense fanboys coming and I’m not arguing with them. I’ll go elsewhere and have civil conversations

    • LifeOnMars

      PS4 Pro will get a £50 price cut and bundle deal this Christmas.
      It will be snapped by kids who didn’t pre order Xbollox.

    • TheNorthFace

      ghez mr xrat, why are you so salty? the x is a beast, deal with it.

    • LifeOnMars

      I wish Microsoft would sell Xbollox for $1500 for the first 3 months because you silly Xbots would still pay it. There are thousands of brainwashed washed idiots up for exploitation.

  • Hvd

    Michael Pachter Says the sun will rise in the morning…now give me money..
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/89cfe8ea5722b5c2bd7be89a5b820be142484bd47d6943e5523074e8d608424b.jpg

  • SiNZ

    It’s important to note that the company that Michael Pachter works for has shares in Sony … so of course he wants the X to fail and the Pro to do well. It’s a giant conflict of interest and anything he says about the Xbox brand should be taken with a pinch of salt.

    • Bilal Prince-Ali

      and that is confirmed yeah…? loool

    • J.j. Barrington

      Wedbush doesn’t get to own stock, because they’re a financial advisory firm; it would represent a conflict of interest.

    • Luke Skywalker

      so are you saying that patcher doesn’t own stock in any company? just a simple question

    • J.j. Barrington

      If he does, then he’s not allowed to give advice based on the ownership of that stock to patrons of Wedbush.

    • Luke Skywalker

      I don’t see what would stop him

    • J.j. Barrington

      Conflict of interest. It would be unethical to own stock in a company and get paid to advise others as to whether or not to buy stock in that same company.

    • Luke Skywalker

      are you saying that you know and are 100% certain that patcher is not unethical?

    • J.j. Barrington

      Is that what I’m saying? Or what you want to twist this conversation into?

      You sure are trying hard to support this rather unlikely claim. Tell me: why aren’t you asking such probing questions to the person who made the original comment? Do you believe that person has some valid reasoning behind the statement?

    • Luke Skywalker

      “s that what I’m saying? Or what you want to twist this conversation into?”
      – I don’t know, that is why i asked you if you know for certain because you’re telling me about ethics, so do you know if he is ethical or not?

      “You sure are trying hard to support this rather unlikely claim.”
      – not trying hard at that at in the slightest or backing any claims, you said something and I ask if you are certain of it. so i would believe it’s either a “yes” I am certain, or a “no, i don’t know”, it’s as simple as that. I did not accuse you of anything.

      “Tell me: why aren’t you asking such probing questions to the person who made the original comment? Do you believe that person has some valid reasoning behind the statement?”
      – what, why are you asking me that? maybe you should’ve asked him that instead of coming up with what you did as if you were certain that person was wrong.

    • J.j. Barrington

      “I don’t know, that is why i asked you if you know for certain because you’re telling me about ethics, so do you know if he is ethical or not?”

      I thought you were smarter than this, but I guess not. Your question has no merit, except to discredit the reasonable doubt placed upon the comment that’s sparked this discussion between us. Whether or not I “know for certain” is irrelevant, but it certainly wouldn’t do to have an unethical employee be the de facto face of your company, would it? Given that it’s been less than ten years since their last incident with an employee who wasn’t on the straight and narrow, there should be SOME confidence that Pachter IS. But please, continue to deflect.

      “not trying hard at that at in the slightest or backing any claims, you said something and I ask if you are certain of it. so i would believe it’s either a “yes” I am certain, or a “no, i don’t know”, it’s as simple as that. I did not accuse you of anything.”

      There are a handful of reasons you would ask this in the first place, and none of them are legitimate.

      “what, why are you asking me that? maybe you should’ve asked him that instead of coming up with what you did as if you were certain that person was wrong.”

      First and foremost, the original comment didn’t single out Pachter, but Wedbush; the illegality of what he claimed is implied, if not explicit. I can be fairly certain that person is wrong because firms like Wedbush don’t buy stock, themselves; YOU turned it into a question of Pachter’s moral fiber. I’m asking YOU the questions I did because you’re questioning my claim- which is rooted in reason and logic- but not his. It wouldn’t even make sense for me to ask him the same question, because he’s not probing my response as you are.

      You can’t really think you’re doing anything, can you?

  • 16stone

    This is good news for MS. Pachter is never right about anything.

    • Bilal Prince-Ali

      pretty sure he is lool… i love how people always say hes never right then in the same breath utter that he only reports on the obvious so his correct ‘predictions’ are nothing special!

      Which one is it because you literalllyyy cant have both lool!?

    • Luke Skywalker

      I guess it’s something like that:

      person A: “that clock is broken, dont’ take the time from it, it’s never right”
      —–some time passes——
      person A: “well…that clock is right for you”
      you to person A: “you said the clock is broken and that its wrong, but now you’re saying the clock is right? which one is it because you literalllyyy can’t have both lool!?”

      a broken clock is right twice a day: not because the clock is correct for a time doesn’t mean that the clock works…its still broken. right?

    • Bilal Prince-Ali

      Your clock example is not as relevant as you’d like to believe lool…. A clock doesn’t tell the time a clock represents the time and we infer from it the information displayed…. so if a clock stops the passage of time doesn’t stop with it, so inevitably correct time and the broken clock’s displayed time will coincide and the broken clock will be correct twice a day for 1 second….

      This is a man who isn’t limited on the potential of what he can say.. there’s literally an infinite amount of things he can say and predictions he can make…. And to simplify he cant be wrong ALLLLL the time but then sooooo often be criticised for making ‘obvious’ predictions that come true.. you cant have them both

  • Henri Le Rennet

    Pachter and every PS4 fanboy who has “owned every PS console at launch since the original,” seem to forget that PS3 launched at $500 for a 20gb console, and $600 for the 60gb version. That is vs the 360’s $299 and $399 versions. PS3 did very well btw. So they’re complaining about the most powerful console, and smallest Xbox ever made costing $500, when they paid the same or more for a console at least twice the size and packing much less power. The price is worth the tech packed in. I mean, still gonna wait a year to get it, but then again I still own the vanilla Xbox One and PS4. Always slow to the game lol

    • J.j. Barrington

      Not enough parallels between the PS3 and XOX. In fact, almost NO parallels between the two.

      Talk about slow to the game.

    • 7770777

      I can agree with this. The Ps3 was marketed as the most powerful console but was actually beaten by the 360 in performance the entire time it was on the market.

      The Xbox One X is being marketed as the most powerful console only its factually true, and the evidence is blatantly clear its true.

    • Henri Le Rennet

      Triggered much? PS3 was clearly overpriced at launch. It’s tech wasn’t that expensive; Sony charged so much to recoup R&D losses. XOX is actually worth the cost.

    • J.j. Barrington

      The price of standalone blu ray players makes you a liar.

    • Henri Le Rennet

      Standalone blueray players generally handled blueray better at the time. They were designed solely for that purpose and allowed more interaction and functionality for the gimmicks that came with bluerays back then. Nowadays bluerays are commonplace and more of a comoddity if anything. PS3 was still overpriced, even with a blueray disc drive, especially since Sony was a major player at the launch of blueray. While on the subject, even the cheaper Xbox One S has a 4k blueray drive. I mean Sony spearheaded blueray, yet they didn’t even include a 4k blueray player. Now before you use the old argument, “who even owns 4k bluerays,” remember that a blueray player was one of the selling points for the PS3. So if you say the price of standalone blueray players makes me a liar, than the price of standalone 4k players makes the One X a steal.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Nice try, but you failed.

    • Mr Xrat

      And the PS3 flopped until they redesigned it, removed PS2 backward compatibility, cut $200 from the price and released some games.

      It’s amusing how people keep trying the “Bu but the PS3 line!!!” not knowing how the PS3 rescued itself.

    • Henri Le Rennet

      #triggered

    • Bilal Prince-Ali

      this was suchhhh a stupid comment omfg!!!! loool

      Are you seriously comparing generaitons like that!!??? are you THAT stupid!!?

      While you’re at it you should compare how much more of a bargain and success the PS3 60GB was in comparison to the Panasonic 3DO Interactive Multiplayer released in 1994 for $700!!! i mean the PS3 is WAYYY more powerfullll and at a wholeee $100 dollars cheaperrrr with better games and online multiplayer!! i meann Woooowwwzzaa Sony really undersold the PS3 in comparison right!!!????

      ¬__¬ dumbass.

    • Calm down, kid.

    • Bilal Prince-Ali

      didn’t think i was gassed in any way.. but ok lool

    • Henri Le Rennet

      You’re missing the point entirely. Why complain about a console as powerful as the One X costing $500, when they had no problem shilling out the same amount for something much less powerful. Albeit, at the time the PS3 may have been considered the best console on the market, it certainly wasn’t worth the hefty price tag. Sony brought it to market at such a high cost in an attempt to recoup the cost of R&D. At least the One X is actually worth the cost, and Microsoft isn’t trying to make people pay for the development of the console. Customers will be buying the value of the tech inside.

    • Bilal Prince-Ali

      im not triggered bro not at all… and im down for the discussion… i COMPLETELY understand you point i really do and i deffo think hardware wise the Xbox One X is the single greatest console of all time thats irrefutably a fact loool and yes this is coming from a PlayStation fanboy…. But the thing is you cant compare price tags on a ‘per generation’ basis.. because to us right now the Xbox One X is worth the money based on the available tech right now but the PS3 was the Xbox One X of its time so the tech used for the console was determined worth the price then too even with sony taking damn near $100 dollars loss at the already high $600 price point, you know what i mean….?

      The problem is the comparing of prices of technological generations which is NEVER clear indication of worth because like i said the Panasonic 3DO literally cost $700 and by todays standards that thing is a piece of sh*t loool but still costs more than an Xbox One X, but due to the generation its from it was from a hardware perspective the best of what was around but then that doesn’t mean its indicative of future hardware worth or a reflection of potential future sales trends… know what i mean…?

  • TheNorthFace

    does it matter what he thinks and how much it sells? it’s still a BEAST

    • J.j. Barrington

      How much it sells will certainly matter, don’t you think?

  • Luke Skywalker
    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      What a liar!

      1st, It was and still is my claim, cause it did! You never proved vgchartz was fake, you shown a decade old “article” that contained Zero evidence, (no pictures, links, references) and even claimed no one took them seriously (and I proved you wrong there as well) still, I went and gave you more evidence from many sources!

      You claim I had no response to your dumb 22 million copies in one year argument? Let’s see : https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3269d2a9f761da5c717b278f87df1cf7a41454d5da5c3ad8dc62a02071ca0398.png that’s a reply you got 2 days before your ban and you didn’t dare to answer it. There in red is the reason minecraft didn’t made the charts, cause they don’t track the games with all versions combined as Npd does, they track them individually and they don’t track pc, mobile and tablet market! That’s the reason moron!

      Now, I also gave you another chart that tracked xbone games only, and minecraft didn’t get to the top 10 (which was 1.3 million worldwide) on 2015.

      I also have you numbers from the European video game software sales showing how the 360/xbone version combined didn’t even sell half a million in Europe in half a year!

      I also showed you how the xbone version of minecraft didn’t even cracked the npd the month it launched, and it only got to number 7 in UK at launch and combined with the 360 version.

      So there are more than enough sources proving that minecraft on xbone never got even close to the more than 8.7 million we know uncharted 4 sold!

      SCHOOLED and re educated! Uncharted 4 has outsold every single xbone game ever and there’s nothing your fanboy @$$ can do to deny it!

      But we know by now you don’t have the balls to admit I was right!

      #nogamesnoscoresnosalesnoevidence

  • Mr Xrat

    Xgimps crying at a reasonable prediction that is the most likely to happen, same as it did with the original Bone and the S. It’s unsurprising, they’re so desperate for a “comeback” they’ve suspended all reason.

    • Sp4ctr0

      Did you see this? This is power of Xbox X. Forza use 2 x higher resolution, dynamic weather and still have more details and better lighting. PS4 Pro is so slow… Gran Turismo Sport looks worse than old PS3 games

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6tJN187K7k

    • d0x360

      It’s actually more than 2x the resolution but your point stands.

    • Mr Xrat

      An ancient video try to talk up another mediocre-looking Forza that’s not doing much with that 30% overhead you Xgimps hyped up. When MS has to try and sell footage using dark, wet weather to hide the graphical shortcuts, is it any wonder everyone’s laughing at you.

    • Tomaterrrx

      Why do you even bother denying all this

    • TheNorthFace

      gosh xrat, your mother must be very proud of you, such a failure of a fanboy

    • Omar

      Point is, this isn’t what was supposed to happen, remember? The same would put it on par with an actual new gen console launch. How would that be a bad thing at all? PS4 Pro isn’t even do that last holiday.

    • Mr Xrat

      Why wouldn’t it? Xgimps are easily-led animals with low standards and lower IQs. There’ll always be a core of about 3 million who’ll do what they are told.

    • 7770777

      You never quit do you paid meatpuppet. #paidposter #Sony #multipleaccounts

    • Fweds

      Notice they both have exactly 16 Fake Upvotes.

    • 7770777

      He is sloppy as they come, would love to get a ping from his I.P. address. The whole world would see how Sony has manipulated public perception for over a decade now.

    • Smart guy

      Unpaid

  • Omar

    I’m not understanding something……is 1 Million supposed to be bad for a $500 device that is a mid gen refresh when there’s still a lower tier version that MS says will make up the lions share of units sold?

    If 1 Million is predicted for X, then how much for all XB1 family of devices? Sounds like Pachter is reversing his position while trying to sound like he’s not.

  • One With Shadows

    Probably?! Lol. Oh my goodness. I love how there is still doubt in their minds. Hahahahaha.

  • Justin Venture

    Take Pachter’s statements for what they are, total BS. His predictions are mostly wrong, anyone remember his sell Netflix stock, buy blockbuster spiel? How about the Wii motion controls not being accepted and Nintendo will drop out of the console business? That man has no reason being an analyst. He gets headlines for having crazy predictions, much like your loony religious tinfoil hat wearing aunt Merna.

    Also to clarify, in the US as of January Sony has sold 17.8M units vs. where the sales disparity occur.

  • mastalin

    I like how one week he was talking about it was too high for people to want it, the next week preorders show people want it but they are “wrong”, then suddenly it will sell…Pach make up your mind.

  • J.j. Barrington

    What is there to counter?

    You flat-out lied, added on a bunch of unsubstantiated BS, and then tried to make out like your logic was infallible when, in reality, it doesn’t exist.


 

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