Dev Explains Why DirectX12 Won’t Be Game Changer, Takes Years to Shift to New Platform

Teotl Studios’ founder talks about the upcoming graphics API.

Posted By | On 11th, Jul. 2015 Under News


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DirectX 12 will be upon us soon with Windows 10 launching close to the end of July. Opinions have been mixed on the same – some developers believe it will lead to an incremental boost in graphics capability while others think it won’t make that much difference.

Speaking to GamingBolt, Teotl Studios founder Sjoerd de Jong – who’s working on the Unreal Engine 4-based The Solus Project – about his take on DirectX 12 and whether it will be a game changer for graphics. de Jong said that, “I haven’t been following the DX12 news very closely so I don’t know too much about it.

“That being said, again the tools are absolutely key for us to progress first and foremost as mentioned, plus also we got quite good graphics already in the industry nowadays. We are actually seeing a shift towards gameplay and story nowadays especially in smaller productions, with less emphasis on graphics. So given all that I do not think that DX12 will be a game changer.”

It’ll still take some time before DirectX 12 games come out, roughly a year in fact. However, given that it’s exclusive to Windows 10, just how many people will have shifted to the new OS?

de Jong said, “Still, you would not make a game just for that platform, because half of your consumers are still going to be on Windows 7 or something similar or not have a DX12 compatible card, by that time. It takes several years usually to shift a people to a new platform. I don’t see it happening any time soon.

“DirectX11 went well because when it came out we also got a new generation of consoles, and at the same time you had native DX11 engines like Unreal Engine 4 coming out. Plus it ran on Vista/Win 7/Win 8 so everyone could use it. But for example with DirectX10, that never happened because it didn’t had all of those kind of things happenings to support its launch.”

We’ll see how it fares next year but in the meantime, let us know your thoughts on the potential of DirectX 12 in the comments.


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  • Triton

    He’s obviously talking about multiplats.

    And as in most cases the key words here are:

    “I haven’t been following the DX12 news very closely so I don’t know too much about it”.
    So his opinion is irrelevant for the largest group of users, which are the ones who are making the shift while Windows 10 still free of charge…

    • Guest

      W10 is only “free of charge” for the 1st yr and to W7/8/Vista users as a upgrade, not even the fresh install disc. Windows has been losing market share to MacOS, Andriod and iOS. Its a shrinking platform. And you think its going to make a big difference to that underpowered and deficient X1? What a joke.

    • d0x360

      Hey bud research time. They extended it from 2-4/years. Plenty of time. They also started pushing notification to people with older windows offering free win 10. 80% of people will convert in the first month. Learn to love it

    • Guest

      Hey bud, this must be recent news and I don’t care about Wondows 10 news to keep up with it like that. And W10 is just like W8, which is complete and utter garbage, so I can see why they would extend the “free” offering time. As they have to give it away for people to take that sh’t. But thanks for letting know, now I can wait til year 4 before having to upgrade to that sh’t.

    • HalfBlackCanuck

      “I don’t care about Wondows 10…and W10 is just like W8”
      Good job.

    • Guest

      Wut?

    • Triton

      You are the joke.
      Some of us actually did our homework.

      W10 is free for a year, its not a subscription or a trial version and it doesnt start sucking money from your account after the free year is over on July 29 2016.
      W10 takes uses less power from the system and DX12 spreads the workload even and allows games and apps to be ported from PC to Xbox with relative ease.

      It can also be used to make the UI faster and prettier.
      Also stop logging out while posting just so you can like your own comments, its stupid we all know its you.

  • GamerJudge

    “Opinions have been mixed on the same”

    You got that right! They should just stop talking, giving their opinion, and put DX12 to use then tell us with evidence if it will or will not help at all. Its easy to give an opinion on something you haven’t still used.

    • Kinect

      If you actually read the article, you would know that he actually explained why they can’t use it stupid. lol

      Even though he gave an opinion, he justified it with facts.

    • GamerJudge

      Oh I read the article and he gave his opinion on something he hasn’t even touched. Btw don’t go insulting people because you don’t sound smart at all, especially saying something as ign*rant as “PC gaming is irrelevant and continues to die”.

    • *Also On PC

      What facts? If he actually knew anything about development. Every PC hardware manufacturer was on board last year and graphics cards are being released with “Direct X12 compatable” on them.

      You are a moron as usual, Moronrage

  • kma99

    so they ask someone who admitted already that he knows nothing about the API. Wow that’s brilliant.

    • Guest

      Nice of you to try and deflect and discredit this guy, like a dumb fanboy like you knows better. Yeah, DX12 is so gonna help that useless, letdown, underpowered of a system.

    • kma99

      No one was referring to a console just an api if you would have read the article you wouldn’t be here making a fool of yourself.
      Looks as if some regular playdrone is hiding behind a guest login. Nice try you still failed.

    • Guest

      I did read the article and all I see is you xdrones (hiding behind a username, what your real name, brave guy?) twisting and spinning what he said to defend your beloved Xbox. Btw, I own a X1 not a PS4. So ha! Keep making yourself look dumber.

    • kma99

      Sure you did. Go back to ponygaf so they can pat you on thr back for being a consistent idiot.

    • Guest

      Nope sorry, don’t read neogaf. Then again, you people claim everything is Sony fanboy run. When in reality you MS fandrones are everywhere. You cockroaches are all over N4G, DF, Dualshockers, Gamingdolt, IGN, Gamespot, Youtube, Neogaf, VGchartz, etc, everywhere! Yet always whine about how everything is Sony run. What delusional whinebags!

    • kma99

      Lol sure you dont. Just keep on being a liar behind that guest login

    • Guest

      I don’t, and this isn’t a “guest” login. This is my actual account name. Wow, you are just wrong about everything. Oh and guess what, I own a X1.

    • kma99

      Sure it is.

    • Guest

      Sure is. sorry to break it you.

    • kma99

      Sure it is liar

    • Hvd

      ..lol

    • LGK

      The Sony fanbase on N4G outnumbers the Xbox fanbase with almost 3 to 1. That site is pure Sony cesspool. Same with NeoGaf, Eurogamer and Gamespot.

      I’m a PC gamer all the way but if I had to rank the worst fanboys of one particular platform, it would be Sony fanboys. They are the most obnoxious, most aggressive and the most persistent. They seem to hate everything that’s not Sony, especially PC and Xbox (that’s where you come in).

      Sony fanboys are so pathetic, they don’t just invade articles about Xbox to talk sh*t, they also talk sh*t about other platforms, in a PS article or YT video comment section! When they aren’t even about other platforms!

      And no you don’t own an XO. That’s just a BS attempt to strengthen your arguments.

    • GotNews4Ya

      Atleast the Ratio supports the Sales Numbers.. LOL I just had to.. come on.. it was funny!

    • LGK

      Another reason why Guest’s logic doesn’t make sense.

    • XbotMK1

      Kinda like how Xbox fanbase outnumber the Sony fanbase on Xbox fanboy YouTube channels.

    • LGK

      Makes sense I guess. If you’re talking about channels like crapgamer well then DUH. He’s probably the biggest Xbox fanboy on the entire internet!

    • mark_parch

      you name says all I need to know about you, so sad.

    • kma99

      Lol there are way more pro sony channels and you know it. All those sony sldeones do is flock to whichever site will fill their heads up and they listen to whatever lie you tell them. Long as you tell them what they want to hear. Then you clowns go and attack any site that disagree.

    • XbotMK1

      Is that why you attacked this dev simply because he didn’t tell you what you want to hear, like a typical Xbox fanboy you are?

    • kma99

      I didnt attack him. I stated the obvious. He knows about as much about dx12 as the next uninformed jackleg so why quote his words as the gospel. If he would have said anything positive you would be in here bashing him to no ends. To me if he would have praised it without knowing anything about the api he still would look just as foolish.

    • mark_parch

      he din’t even mention xbox. Good job making yourself look like an idiot

    • Hvd

      read the article he said it him self dont just read comments.

    • Hvd

      they just want the headline to say DEV says.

    • kma99

      Yeah the purposely ask the wrong people. Apparently anyone with any plausible knowledge won’t talk to them since this site has to scrounge up dev no one has even heard of

    • Hvd

      no AAA dev will say anything bad about it.just no name indie devs

    • kma99

      And these no good playstation sheep that dont like anything that isn’t sony.

    • jb227

      Does that not speak volumes? Aren’t the AAA devs the only ones truly beholden to corporate masters? The “no name” indie devs may be a mixture in terms of talent, but a lot of those guys will go on to be the future of the gaming industry, and the ideas they create are the ones being borrowed by the same AAA devs everyone seems to hold in such a high regard. This guy backed his statement up w/ some sound logic & a light history lesson, so its not like its totally unfounded. Obviously people should take any information they hear about an unavailable product w/ a grain of salt, regardless of whether they are hearing it from lowly no name indie devs or high & mighty well esteemed AAA devs. The AAA guys seem to be the ones w/ the history of throwing around the largest amounts of hyperbole anyway.

    • Hvd

      did you read the article?he said it him self he doesnt know anything about dx12 but he Explains Why DirectX12 Won’t Be Game Changer not knowing anything about it. so how can you say you dont know anything yet say it wont be a game changer.hey man im a Explains Why DirectX12 Won’t Be Game Changer.thats like saying you are a rocket scientists but dont know anything about rockets…lol

    • mark_parch

      I know I stopped reading after i read that first line

  • d0x360

    I don’t know anything about it but here let me tell you it won’t be effective for a long time…lol!

    This guy is a moron. First of all developers have had dx12 for over a year now and support for it is already in unreal engine 4. Second windows 10 is free for a majority of people so you can bet the uptake rate will be very high. Third ever direct X revision since 9 has been exclusive to a version of Windows and it was supported immediately.

    Now dx12 is a bigger leap than any version before BUT we will start seeing support by this holiday. Sure we might be see full advantage till next year but so what? Even if devs only use it to get a boost in frame rate that’s still tons more gamers who can enjoy a better experience.

    PCMR, ascend and join us.

    • ryan

      LMAO, well said!

    • Jennifer Moen
    • Guest

      LMAO, more like garbage!

    • d0x360

      You are an moron. It’s that simple.

    • Guest

      And you’re a moronic fanboy. It’s that simple.

    • JURIM-KILLZONE

      “d0x360”

    • *Also On PC

      “Jurim-Shillzone”

      Console peasants can’t understand people can ascend to the PC Master Race. lol.

    • Guest

      Oh look, its mister pretend he’s a PC fanboy, yet is always getting offended by and defending the X1. Buzz off, MS little fanboy.

    • *Also On PC

      Oh look. It’s Mr. Can’t even read the article when he was talking about DX 12 in general which is of interest to PC gamers.

      Poor hurt Sony fanboys with no games and 30FPS Downgrades :^)

    • Guest

      Oh look its mister cant comprehend anything. Cuz I know what the article is about and I alos know that you are obsessing over Sony again. And btw, I don’t own any Sony systems. So ha! moron, wrong again. And DX12 on PC isn’t going to do much for it.

    • *Also On PC

      Uh oh. Mister Defends Sony all the time is pretending he doesn’t have a sony console, twerp

    • Barry Harden

      You keep losing arguments and you keep coming back for more. You seem to like getting slammed to the ground.

      Bottom line: DX12 will do FUQ ALL for XBone’s shortcomings. #dealwithit

    • Guest

      Yeah, this “Also on PC” is pretty moronic. He actually thinks he’s fooling people into thinking he’s not a MS fanboy.

    • *Also On PC

      Poor Sonyshill completely annhilated by the fact I speak the truth that he can only scream “MS FANBOY!” over and over.

      PC always wins :^)

    • *Also On PC

      And it will do amazing things for PC like I said it would. #Dealwith30FPSPeasant

    • Barry Harden

      You’ll still have to contend with problems gaming on PC:

      1. Consistency: No two PC system will perform exactly the same. The amount of components out there and the associated drivers is a nightmare to configure and do it properly.

      2. Software: So much system maintenance has to be performed or else the OS becomes slow and affects your gaming. Steam as a service isn’t the only service and you now have EA refusing to put their games on Steam. Many other publishers are starting to think about hosting their own services. Talk about fragmentation!

      3. Costs: To get the latest games running at their best with all the graphical bells and whistles turned on, you need to spend at least $1500! Then add in $300 every two years to continually keep the system upgraded or else you fall behind.

      4. Online issues: On PC there are so MANY hacks and cheats that playing online becomes a lesson in frustration. The fact that the programming tools to create games are also available to anyone allows mischievous trolls to cook up their own code to develop and distribute tools for hacking and cheating. Then you have these trolls try to out compete each other for making up the best tools! The developers just can’t keep up in protecting the game environment.

      5. Profitability: Very few PC gamers are willing to pre-order or buy their games full price upon release. Instead most PC gamers opt to wait for bargin basement prices for Steam sales. This just means less profits for publishers. They just won’t put in the effort to release top tier titles on PC. If they do they would delay it to ensure their investment is recouped on consoles and then later do a PC release.

      A closed console system from Playstation or Xbox provides a viable all in one system to address these problems. It’s too bad people don’t realize this before it’s too late.

      Related articles: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/pc-ports-are-consistently-shoddy-and-its-embrassing/

    • *Also On PC

      1. Wrong. Both AMD and Nvidia have software suites specifically configuring games so the user doesn’t have to and even have additional options for downsampling and injecting Anti-Aliasing and other post processing.

      2. Run a defrag per month and don’t buy EA games.

      3. $400 for a PC that beats the PS4. $600 will get you a PC that thrashes it. I see the $1500 peasant myth is prevalent (And the fact they always say $1500 reeks of organised shilling)

      4. Online issues: Worse on PSN and Xbox Live because anyone can lag switch P2P servers while most PC games run on dedicated servers for the majority. It’s easier to find a good game on PC than consoles and you don’t have to pay for sub-par services with indie game rentals.

      5. Profitability: Long Term sales have helped games through profit when they would have lost money thanks to overbloated and expensive console versions on top of indie sensations making money. Add in there are no licensing fees on PC and more pure profit for the companies and you have an environment where any publisher and developer can prosper.

      Closed systems are a DRM scam and more and more companies are publishing on PC as they realize that PC gaming is the biggest rising gaming platform on the planet and the consoles are nothing but a money sink of bureaucracy. It’s too bad for console shills like you that publishers are now realizing this and going for the option of freedom.

      CDPR made more money off Witcher 3 sales on PC compared to the console versions.

    • JURIM-KILLZONE

      LOL

      “also on PC” A.K.A (Flat Out Wrong)

      Defending a “console peasants” …HILARIOUS!!!

      Have you already played your buggy Batman today?!?!

    • d0x360

      Yes d0x360 which has been my online username since 1995 long before Xbox ever existed. Vbblue represent ..meanwhile you puppy dogs keep making stupid assumptions

    • Guest

      “puppy dogs”? Is that supposed to be a insult? You might wanna work on that.

    • JURIM-KILLZONE

      Serious?!?!

      Hmmm, that’s what i call “coincidence”!!!

      LMAO…

      Sorry for “HURT” your feelings… XD

    • GotNews4Ya

      “Killzone” … See what I did there?

    • JURIM-KILLZONE

      LOL

      I’m not defending DX12 or Vulkan, after devs saying that they won’t be a “game changer”!!

    • *Also On PC

      Glad to see you saw the light, brother

    • Guest

      Angry little fanboy, mad cuz you didn’t like what you heard? You know nothing except what your fanboy bias wants you to think. and this guy is in the industry making games. I think he knows better what he’s talking about then you do.

    • d0x360

      On a side note and mantle. I ran thief in mantle mode. 240fps. Then I ran it in dx11 mode. 100 fps. Hmmmmmm. Big difference? Uh yea. Considering dx12 uses the same ideas as dx12 but at a much deeper level PC gamers are in for a shock and you fanboy peasants are in for a bucket of tears. Sorry guys.

    • Guest

      Console peasants? But you’re a console peasant too! Just cuz you got a PC doesn’t mean you’re not. I got a PC and a X1 and I still don’t fall for this sh’t. But you do.

    • GotNews4Ya

      I’m sure glad DX12 will use the same ideas as DX12.. IF it didn’t.. we might all be in trouble.

    • GotNews4Ya

      It takes 3 years to make a game usually.. so ya.. we should start to see the effects by the middle – end of next year from Microsofts first party studios. They are going to get all the implementation done and get it worked out for the rest of the year I am assuming.. But outside of those developers.. AAA Devs might not get the game on DX12 soon, if at all.. seeing how the people with the best use out of it will be developers who develop exclusively for DX12.

  • *Also On PC

    Funny how Slightly Mad Studios have said it will give a 30-40% Raw performance boost for everything and up to 60% for AMD hardware ONLY ON PC.

    Console peasants get used to being left further behind with DX12 and VulKan

    • Kinect

      PC gaming is irrelevant and continues to die. A new API won’t save it.

    • *Also On PC

      Nope. PC Gaming is the fastest growing sector of gaming and these new API’s will be at the forefront of getting even more power out of the most powerful gaming platform

      Enjoy your 900P 40FPS Battlefront :^)

    • Psionicinversion

      PC gaming has been dying for the last 2 decades and guess what, consoles are becoming more and more like PC’s every gen now hahahah they obviously know PC is the best and want to be like us

  • XbotMK1

    Stand by for Angry Microsoft fanboys calling him a liar and moron.

    • *Also On PC

      You would know about being a liar and a moron since you are one, John Derp.

      Where was Uncharted 4 at 60FPS like you promised before E3? Oh wait it got downgraded again :^)

      PC will annihilate consoles with DX12 and Vulkan. Vulkan will do NOTHING for POS4 just like DX12 will do nothing for xboner because both their hardware sucks.

      Better start up a hashtag camapaign to start that kickstarter for the PS5 :^)

    • XbotMK1

      LOL You must live in a fantasy land. You’re just as bad as these Xbox fanboys. You’re a liar and a moron.

      Why are you attacking me for speaking the truth? Why not attack the lying rabid Xbox fanboys? LOL

      It’s because you despise Sony, isn’t it? It really hurts you to see the PS4 dominating.

      I’m not sure why you’re attacking kickstarter, because PC is the home of kickstarter and early access scams.

      So not only are you a liar and a moron but you’re a hypocrite.

      Why is it taking decades for PCs to get a lower level API. Does that not say something about how sh*tty PC gaming is?

      If you knew anything about PC and if you aren’t a Microsoft corporate slave, you would want Vulkan to succeed and DX12 to fail. It’s best for consumers.

    • Psionicinversion

      He is an idiot, he’s saying that dx12 won’t do anything for any platform and that isn’t true. For pc it gives potentially massive boosts depending on how cpu bounds the games are and on pc pretty much every game is in varying degrees. On mobile platforms and laptops it conserves battery life because the cpu isn’t taxed as hard.

      Sony doesn’t need to be bothered about all that because all it has is the playstation and that’s it. Vulkan may do well it all depends on how good it functions. They have taken the best bits of mantle but it is far from a mantle clone. You’ll also need opengl 5.1 gpu for all the features of vulkan. Whether a dx12 gpu also does 5.1 because they should be the same feature wise just different code in how to do it

    • XbotMK1

      I know he’s an idiot and I know that lower level APIs help performance.

    • *Also On PC

      The cell processor was Sh*t, moron. Just like the POS4.

      And he’s an idiot because AMD, Intel and Nvidia are well on board with DX 12 and Vulkan so it already has adoptation from manufacturers.

      But then as we know, GNMX is a sh*t forked OGL that only works on one platform and Sony is trying to herd devs to develop only on their sh*tbox instead of the open nature of Vulkan and DX12 which run across Nvidia, AMD, Intel and Qualcomm configs. Even Direct X 11 is being ported to Wine and will be on Linux with X 12 soon after so Linux will get both too

      Keep trying that FUD John Derp. It’s not going to work because you are a liar and a shill and I will B*tch slap you every time :^)

    • XbotMK1

      Adoption is not the same thing as implemented or active use.

      Sony isn’t the one trying to herd devs to develop only on PlayStation. That is why the PS4 is X86 and uses AMD components. The PS4 also uses an API that makes it easy to port to and from PlayStation. The PS4 is compatible with AMD, Nvidia, Intel, and other hardware manufacturers. So it looks like you got the wrong bad guy here you moron.

      The PS4 is a Sony product, and it is a console, so obviously the PS4 uses a some proprietary technology as well you moron.

      Sony isn’t the one trying to control everyone’s hardware and restrict you to an operating system on every piece of hardware you moron.

      How many more times are you going to fail?

    • *Also On PC

      PC has options in Windows or Linux and supports AMD, Nvidia, Intel and Qualcomm

      POS4 is a closed system and is not compatible with Intel or Nvidia. The GNMX wrapper can only be ported to, not from. There is no “Lead development” on PS4. Only PC. I got the right bad guy who only has a “Port in” option on their system and not a port out like DX12 or Vulkan. Valve are getting developers to develop on PC first either Windows, Linux or Mac. Not POS4.

      You fail again about your lying and shilling company, known liar and shill John Derp :^)

    • GamerJudge

      As if Microsoft trying to get people to use only their products was a bad thing.

    • Psionicinversion

      Hardware manufacturers?? Like NVIDIA with dx12.1 features in Maxwell… The hardware is here. AMD gcn 1.1 and 1.2 support dx12_0 so the hardware is here it’s just getting the games and people on the OS which making it free removes a massive hurdle. The first dx12 are coming this year. Will probably a couple of years before we get 100% pure dx12 games using all the features but in that time people can upgrade there gpu and be fine also can just try to show them the performance differences and the gamers will be straight on it

    • *Also On PC

      John Derp is only “supports” vulkan because it’s in competition with DX 12.

      Remember you are dealing with one of the most deluded console peasants on the planet. A guy who claims to know everything about PC gaming despite hating it lying and shilling to try spread FUD. GNMX is so garbage no one on PC will touch it even as an OGL fork.

      Also Fallout 4 and Star Wars Battlefront are DX 12 titles. You don’t get any bigger support than that.

      Just laugh at John Derp. Still the same peasant he always was, lying and flinging fecees everywhere. Remember when he got featured on the PCMR subreddit? It was hilarious and he shut down all his old accounts and copypasta’s because everyone made fun of him

    • Psionicinversion

      Yeah seen derp around for a couple of years. Is battlefront dx11 as well so we can measure the performance boost?

    • *Also On PC

      You were replying to Derp. “John Doe” was just another alt he jumped to after he was caught and people would google his walls of text to make fun of him without the walls of texts. What a sad little shill he is.

      Also Battlefront and Mirror’s Edge Catalyst will have DX11 but will be supporting DX12. DICE’s Tech director said he wants Direct X 12/Vulkan minimum by Holiday 2016 as well.

    • Psionicinversion

      yeah his main one was xtreme derp when i first saw him, then mutliple others but even if he had a new nickname he was so easy to spot because of how he typed and his copy and paste walls of text that kept getting him banned from everywhere

    • *Also On PC

      He got featured on reddit and people figured him out on top of the bans. Poor Guiseppe of Dualshillers was probably crying when he had to ban him because of the laughing PC gamers.

      You can remove the copypasta, but you can’t remove the sony shill

    • Guest

      Know they just need to do the same to you as you’re far worst. And btw, where the proof of this crap you speak of?

    • XbotMK1

      Show us proof that Fallout 4 and Star Wars Battlefront are going to be exclusive to DX12. Show us proof or stop lying and shilling.

      My name was never “Derp”. My original name was John Doe and then I changed it to XbotMK1 because it is funny. lol

      Keep chasing ghosts and obsessing over my identity. It only proves I’m in your head.

    • XbotMK1

      If it’s DX11 compatible then people won’t be forced to upgrade.

    • Psionicinversion

      Why would EA care? They think about the money, it’s not a MS game is it? You can have 2 renderers in a game you know. Well actually maybe you don’t.

      October is to soon to gamble on whether people have upgraded or not. Next year is when you’ll stay to see the shift properly. Developer isn’t right at all. People won’t jump on it day 1 but give it a year and they will.

      You may try to think your right but as usual you are wrong

    • XbotMK1

      I obviously support Vulkan over garbage DX12. That is the point. I support what is better for consumers, unlike you.

      Show us proof that Fallout 4 and Star Wars Battlefront will be DX12 compatible.

      Also, even if they were compatible with DX12, that isn’t the same thing as being “built from the ground up” for DX12.

      And if Fallout 4 and Star Wars Battlefront are also compatible with prior versions of Direct X, it destroys your entire argument anyways, because it’s not exclusive to DX12 you moron.

      How many more times must I humiliate you?

    • *Also On PC

      You only Support Sony, not the customers you dense shill. The only person you humiliate with your lying and screaming is yourself.

    • Guest

      Oh to use MS fanboy logic, DX12 isn’t free since you have to have Windows 7-8 or Vista. And you had to “pay” for your computer to get it. So its not free. I cant just go to a store or MS’s site and get it free. And its only free as a “upgrade” not a full install disc for the first yr. You know before all the bugs are out. Yeah, “free” to all their beta testers. And DX12 wont help X1, nothing can help that thing. Games are still coming at less than 1080p til day!

    • Psionicinversion

      Well considering windows 7/8 accounts for nearly 75% of at least the consumer OS market that’s a pretty massive number of people that can get it for free fool. Vista isn’t included and anyone running vista should be shot, trash OS

      I’m fanboy lmao where did I say anything about xbox????? I don’t care about xbox that’s why I said pc and mobile platforms n00000000b

    • XbotMK1

      Not every Nvida and AMD hardware fully supports DX12. And there are other hardware factors to consider.

    • Psionicinversion

      It doesn’t need to 100% fully support it. For example tier 3 bindless isn’t really needed so tier2 is all you need for it to be classed as 12. The 900 series from nvidia supports the most I think. Like I said gcn 1.1 + 1.2 feature I think all the dx12_0 base level features which is where all the performance gain is at. For 12_1 it needs conservative raster, ROVs and tier 3 tilted resources= volume tiled. That’s all 12.1 is which you won’t be setting for quite some time

      Lets see how battlefront performs under dx11+12 because it supports both.

      What other hardware factors are there???

    • Guest

      And you’re a idiot for thinking that’s what he said. He said that it wont do much for now, you dumb bast’rd. Always defending MS and their sh’t. Dumbinversion to the rescue.

    • Psionicinversion

      Won’t do much for now? Got fable legends and battlefront running on dx12 this year next year you’ve got games like deus ex and stuff running on dx12… Yeah taking years to get on that dx12 lmao. Maybe he should go and look at stuff relaying and realise its happening sooner than he thinks

    • d0x360

      I have a dx12 demo of a full game on my PC. Can’t say what because of NDA. Running in dx12 mode on my 290x I get 300fps. Witb dx11 I have t about 120..weird

    • Guest

      BS, whats it Quake? And whats gonna be the excuse when a bunch of newer games come out and they are all performance letdowns?

    • Psionicinversion

      Fable legends? That’s the only dx12 game available in beta right now I think

    • d0x360

      It isn’t fable

    • Psionicinversion

      must battlefront? or Ashes of the Singularity?

      You really going from 120-300fps? thats insane. If your getting 120fps cant be that graphically heavy of a game hmmm i dunno

    • *Also On PC

      VulKan will succeed, John Derp. I’m not an ignorant peasant like you so I’m not wishing DX12 to fail because competing API’s keeping the other in check and avoiding the stagnation of previous DX and OGL.

      Meanwhile consoles will be DRM infested glorified cable boxes with only Nintendo having games as usual. Sony probably won’t even be around now they have to beg for money through crowdfunding and made their own crowdfunding website.

      PC Gaming always wins :^)

    • XbotMK1

      You’re absolutely wrong once again.

      Vulkan is open for anyone to use and modify as they please.

      Direct X is not. Direct X is a proprietary API that Microsoft uses Direct X to keep sheep like you on Windows. That is the only purpose it serves.

      Two APIs don’t need to exist in order to evolve.

      Vulkan will evolve regardless if Direct X exists or not. Vulkan doesn’t restrict you to an operating system or a company. That is the point of it. The more games that use it the better.

      Direct X does the opposite. It holds everyone back and stagnates performance.

      Sony’s crowdfunding website doesn’t make profit and it’s only used for certain products. It’s basically like a preorder system for people who may want certain Sony gadgets. It’s not a source of profit. Sony’s profits come from their semiconductor business, financial business, movie business, music business, and gaming business. Their crowdfunding site has nothing to do with these businesses so you’re wrong once again.

      Sony isn’t going away for a long time. They’re forecasting a 2.5 billion dollar profit this year and even more next year.

    • *Also On PC

      Nope. Financial loss again for Sony and you couldn’t possibly understand API’s John Derp since you are not a PC gamer.

      By the way, I’m on Debian Mint. I’ll be dual booting. I get both. PC gamers get a choice. PC gamers get the winner. You get nothing but but 30FPS on your DRM box of garbage and NO GAMES :^)

    • XbotMK1

      So basically you’re a Microsoft corporate slave who likes to be bent over by Microsoft. You’re just as bad as the Xbox defense squad.

      Just as I thought. Not only did I own you again, I know more about your favorite platform than you do.

    • *Also On PC

      Nope. You haven’t demonstrated a thing except lying, screaming and throwing feeces like you always do, John Derp :^)

    • d0x360

      I don’t despise Sony so what’s my excuse

    • Guest

      You love MS, that’s your “excuse”, you’re on their nuts.

    • kma99

      You have a anti Microsoft complex. You need serious help and it’s apparent. At some point you will need to get your head out of the sand. These companies dont care about you bot even your precious sony. If they could be in the position Microsoft is in they would. They would want to have things under their umbrella just like the make a handheld that only uses their proprietary sd card so that you have to only use theirs and pay a kings ransom to get it. Yeah you wouldn’t care then it would be what’s best for the gamers in your eyes.

    • GamerJudge

      PC ain’t going to annihilate anything especially consoles and the sales prove it. PC and consoles will coexist.

    • Guest

      You have the nerve to call anybody a fanboy when you are the absolute biggest fanboy on the planet. Nobody and I mean nobody has more accounts and comments than you, Dakan. Btw, we all know youre a MS fanboy.

    • *Also On PC

      Poor fanboy shill getting hurt again.

      Stay mad that PC gaming is superior to the POS4 and stay paranoid :^)

    • Guest

      Im not mad at PC, im laughing at you for being such a pathetic little MS fanboy who keeps obsessing over Sony and pretending to be a PC fanboy. Btw, I own a X1.

    • *Also On PC

      No one cares what you own, loser :^)

    • GotNews4Ya

      But… API’s are for running your hardware closer to the metal.. That means they are all about Increasing performance on the lower powered machines.. Direct X12 will give better performance to those who don’t have as much raw power.. It will open up the communication channels (Draw calls) and nearly make them 9x’s better.. thus making the processing faster.

    • *Also On PC

      Only on PC. Not on consoles, moron

    • Triton

      There will be a difference, big enough to take advantage of it no matter how low level the API already is.
      There are still 8 cores and until DX12 is here only one of them can communicate at a time. And its more than just that.

    • GamerJudge

      That’s very hypocritical of you. You where the same fanboy (only difference on the Sony side) saying those things when a dev said DX12 would do wonders for the Xbox One.

    • Guest

      Too late the page is already full of them, on queue like the good little defend dogs that they are.

    • d0x360

      Liar and a moron

    • kma99

      You simply cant read lol. The guy claims to have no knowledge of the api yet you expect a clear cut answer. Thats like an atheist quoting the bible.

    • Guest

      Actually a lot of Atheist know the Bible far better than many religious people, like Aaron Ra and Matt Dilahunty. And second of all he didn’t say that he doesn’t have any knowledge of DX12 but that he didn’t have much knowledge of it. So that’s 2 things you wrong. One more and youre out! Then again, you’re an idiot.

    • kma99

      No they dont or they wouldn’t be an athiest. Athiest read the bible to tey and discredit it and prove a point they can’t possibly refute. Lots of people take the bible out of context so how could you even do that if you never read it to conjure up your own opinion.
      So he doesnt have much knowledge of it. So how much does he have and what does that consists of? Does he know about it because people are talking about it? Or does he know that unreal engine 4 is already dx12 compatible? Heck he has to know that much so you tell me exactly how much does he know since you are his best friend.

    • Guest

      Yes they do and yes they can moron! And the bible makes a claim that nobody can prove, that god, or a god exist. People either just believe that sh’t or they don’t. And its very easy to understand the bible kid. So don’t make such moronic statements. They only people who don’t seem to know or understand the bible are religious people.

    • kma99

      No they don’t. Anyone who truly understood the bible wouldn’t be an athiest so you can kill that nonsense. You cant even understand simple reading comprehension so anything i asked you about the bible would go over your peabrain.

    • Guest

      Anyone who truly understood the bible? Like who? you? Stfu with your stupid made up garbage and accept reality. You probably know less about the bible than I do. Yet claim all this sh’t you just made up. You’re dumb kid. Grow up and let go of you’re imaginary friend. Atheist can rumble with the best of theologians. Fact!

    • kma99

      Dod i say i truly understood it? Grasping for straws alot aren’t we. Do you always jump to conclusions when someone points you out for being a liar.

    • GotNews4Ya

      This is ignorance at its finest.. Plus.. The Bible has many MANY Parables in it.. Which are stories.. and basically wise tales that explain rules and laws. So.. the Bible can never be fully understood.. When they talk about Chariots of fire, and things streaking across the sky.. Parting the Seas.. and other “Miracles”. They couldn’t explain what they were seeing, and did their best.. Who knows how we would write or Interpret the Bible in todays way.

    • GotNews4Ya

      If you look hard enough.. and contort the verses enough.. you can pretty much find anything you are looking for in the Bible.. So… ya..

  • HisDivineOrder

    I think the AAA developers that are always focused on having the very best engine with the best technology will be on board with DX12 the same way they were on board with DX11 and DX9 back when they were new. The Crytek’s and the DICE’s of the world. They’ll want the extra performance and their audience loves them for their pushing toward the razor’s edge, so DX12 will be a natural extension for them. Especially since those two are engine makers (CryEngine and Frostbyte, respectively). I imagine we might even see CD Projekt Red drop a DX12 version of The Witcher 3 as an “Enhanced Version” next year around the time when most companies would put out a “GOTY Edition” with the DLC. This would ostensibly be mostly to help support the engine transition to DX12 for their next game, but using a game they already know as a test case.

    Will DX12 affect other games? Well, Call of Duty’s been using the same idtech-derived engine for many, many years now. Or Assassin’s Creed where engine transitions are done every couple of years or so. Games like that where the engine is pre-built and especially if they’re annualized are going to be slower to transition because they’ll want to support a DX11 version, too. That means they’ll put the transition off to maximize their gain of what they have now to avoid the support costs of two versions of the same game. Nothing slows things down more than supporting TWO versions of Assassin’s Creed Unity on PC in addition to PS4 and Xbox One.

    Smaller games from less invested developers aren’t going anywhere DX12. It’s low level access and many games won’t even need that. People seem to be confused about DX12 because of its name. It’s not a replacement for DX11. It’s an additional option for developers.

    Many will use DX11.3 and be happy with that. They don’t need the extra performance, their games are relatively low end and will run easily on a lot of hardware. DX12 is for the edge cases where you’re pushing the hardware so hard you need every ounce of performance you can get to go just that bit farther.

    I imagine Valve will port Source to DX12 just because that’s what they do.

  • Patrick Lyle

    Strange that they chose a picture featuring DX10 graphics from Crysis, from 8 years ago.

  • Hvd

    is this another indie dev mouthing off?who cares what they think.go back to making games that look 25 years old.

    • Guest

      So when they praise DX12 everyone of you fanboys is all happy and saying “see DX12 is going to be great” then when they don’t praise your sh’t. You get responses like yours. You fanboys are so biased its not even funny. Enjoy being delusional.

    • Hvd

      only indie devs have been bashing dx12 and xbox one not one AAA dev has said anything just lame indie devs.yes i have a pc and i dont play indie games or mobas fyi

  • Guest

    “Still, you would not make a game just for that platform, because half of your consumers are still going to be on Windows 7 or something similar or not have a DX12 compatible card, by that time.”

    Won’t have DX12 compatible cards? MS stated that 75%+ of existing cards will be compatible, maybe just not support “all features” of DX12.

    Won’t have Win 10? It’s a FREE upgrade for one year from it’s debut (even to those who have pirated copies of windows), so odds are most people will take advantage of that within the year.

    This dev is already showing how little he knows of anything…his arguments are invalid.

    • otherZinc

      @Gest,

      Also, this dev is revealing his game is going to be on the PS4 that he obviously favors, along with his teame. He’s also showing how lazy he and his team are by not knowing what’s going on in the industry; that he represents.


 

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