HDR Support For PS4 Is Going To Be Huge For Gaming- PlayStation America Boss

“It’s gonna be huge for the creators and the medium, and we couldn’t be more excited.”

Posted By | On 08th, Sep. 2016 Under News | Follow This Author @Pramath1605


The major new technology that Sony demonstrated at the PlayStation meeting yesterday was not 4K, as many may have expected, but HDR- which legitimately looks like it will greatly enhance visual fidelity across the board for everybody who owns a PS4. And the best thing is, everyone gets HDR- Sony will be updating old PS4 consoles with HDR capability with a free firmware update later this year, too.

Speaking after the PlayStation Meeting, Sony’s Shawn Layden discussed HDR, and what it can do for storytelling.

“Talking about getting emotion into your story, and showing people exactly what the feeling of your characters are, I think HDR brings that capability right across the board to everything you do,” he said. “You saw with Days Gone, you saw the reflection of the light against Deacon’s face, and how he has the horde coming against him. HDR is one more… it’s like taking your color palette from 64 crayons to 4 million. It’s fantastic. We think it’s gonna be huge for the creators and the medium, and we couldn’t be more excited.”

I agree with him on HDR- while it’s not a leap on the level of 8-bit, 16-bit, 3D, or HD graphics, it is definitely something substantial, and it’s importance can absolutely not be downplayed.

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  • Kevin Miles

    PS4 PRO vs PS4 vs PS3 vs PS2 vs PS1 / SONY PLAYSTATION GENERATIONS TECHNICAL COMPARISON – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHDdTA7RnVA

  • kee1haul

    HDR won’t work on HDTVs. This is smoke and mirror bullshit.

    • Mr Xrat

      Poor Mark, upset because his gloating about HDR for months backfired.

    • kee1haul

      Actually I’m laughing because Sony pushed HDR so hard, but MS done it first. PS4 firmware update is suspicious to me. HDR only supported on 4k TVs. 4k only runs on hdmi 2.0, PS4 has hdmi 1.4.

    • Agent_Blade

      Nope HDMI 1.4 can run 2k and 4k but with restrictions. Meanwhile 2.0 can run 2k and 4k no prob.

    • kee1haul

      at 24 hertz. No good for games really.

    • Section8

      Actually, the ps4 HDMI was 2.0 compatible right out of the gate. Sony just needed to go through some red tape first to implement this update.

    • kee1haul

      I don’t believe that. Everywhere has it as 1.4 and someone would have noticed by now. http://uk.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/PlayStation_4_Hardware_Specs

    • Section8

      Looks like someone didn’t watch the ps meeting. 🙂

    • kee1haul

      Tried. Fell asleep.

    • Section8

      lol. nice

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      I’m laughing because Micro$oft pushed HDR so hard and Sony shoved their face in the dirt with the 42 Million PS4’s out there all being HDR compat…FOR FREE! While Micro$oft wants you to buy a new console! LMAO M$ sucks so bad

    • kee1haul
    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      All that’s saying is that there are no games out yet. Here’s the list of forward compatible games (games already released that are being patched for PS4 Pro and HDR enhancements) and the list of PS4 Pro enhanced games announced so far. Any game enhanced for PS4 Pro will show the benefit of HDR on the original PS4.


    • kee1haul

      You’re missing the point they say HDR is not possible on HDMI 1.4. Enjoy whatever fake version of HDR they pretend is there, and none of the content Netflix etc say they won’t produce. My old black and white TV has as much HDR as the PS4 can show.

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      lol thanks for the laugh xbox fanboy. I love how you all live in denial and spew whatever lies and disinformation you can around the net.

      So tell me again kid, who says PS4’s HDMI port doesn’t have the bandwidth again? Because everything I see shows that it does, PS4 has received an update from Sony for HDR & games are coming very shortly to prove you wrong within a month (which you will undoubtedly hide from).

      Here’s the conference again. Pay attention to the 7:30 mark, it shows direct benefit of original PS4’s on HDR TV’s.


    • efnet

      Lol so it has the bandwidth but can’t stream 4k or HDR ….LMAO

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      lol way more evidence than biased little troll you has come up with.

      Everything I can find says that PS4 does have the bandwidth to do it. Until I see a professional opinion and testing I will not cast judgement.

      I know little xbox troll kids want to just jump to their delusional and wishful conclusions but the fact is you just don’t know what you are talking about kid.

    • efnet

      Yes yes keep reading articles if You like , makes me no diffrence lol
      You’re a fanboy who can’t even test it for yourself LMAO
      You need people to tell You that exist just so you can feel better lol
      This is where I stop messing with you because you’re just to dumb and won’t take the truth ..
      Ps4 has no HDR which is tied to 4k buddy lol
      On my way home to go and play some 2k with HDR you bum lol
      Don’t message me no more man …you’re pretty stupid man

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T


      The only thing you showed so far is an article talking about how the games for PS4 with HDR support aren’t out yet. SO WHAT!? How is that news? The HDR update is here and there are tons of games coming with HDR support. There was an entire conference showing the differences of with and without HDR but blind little ignorant troll you just can’t see that.

      So where are your Xbox One HDR photo’s with and without HDR!? You say you are all HDR’d up and all but aint shown nothing. Freaking liar.

    • efnet

      Lol I don’t need any articles you clown
      I HAVE BOTH XBOX ONE S AND PS4 WITH 3 4K HDR TV’S you moron lol
      I can see the results myself I don’t need someone to tell me what to believe you puppet lol

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      You still can’t come up with any proof. lol, you are a joke

    • kee1haul

      It CAN’T show the benefit. The video is not HDR, my monitor is not HDR. YouTube is not HDR. If PS4 can do this phantom upgrade, then so can xbox.

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      “In July 2015, a poster at the NeoGAF forums postulated something that sounded odd at the time: the PlayStation 4 has been 4K-compatible from the get-go. Even before 4K had arisen as a burgeoning standard, it was there, all along. User Jeff Rigby geeked out by analyzing things like motherboard schematics, exposed pins, and HDMI bandwidth ratings, and he concluded that everything on the hardware side was in place for a surprise 4K update. Sony just needed to push a necessary firmware update to comply with bandwidth and copy-protection standards.”


    • efnet

      LMAO!!!!! I got to share this on Twitter …thank you allen thank you so much for this lol

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T
    • kee1haul

      I’ve read all the same secret sauce stuff about xbox. None of it is true.

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      What do you have to say for yourself now? Here’s some of The Last of Us screenshots from the recent patch showing an original PS4’s HDR output quality. https://www.vg247.com/2016/11/01/the-last-of-us-remastered-gets-hdr-ps4-pro-patch-see-comparison-screenshots/

    • kee1haul

      The Last of Us Remastered Remastered again?

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      (1) PROOF you were wrong.
      (2) Tis just an example of a great many games that now can take advantage of PS4’s HDR feature….the feature brought to all 44 million PS4’s out there. No new console purchase necessary like from Micro$oft.
      (3) The Last of Us – one of the best games ever made…yes that’s the one I’m talking about.
      (4) I knew you would just run away. All xbots can do is lie or run away in denial. I’m just surprised you didn’t start calling names already lol.

    • kee1haul


    • Caleb Makepeace

      Actually the standard ps4 has been verified to be able to output Hdr even though it is technically a 1.4 HDMI port. Techs tire it down to confirm. So standard ps4 will indeed handle hdr

    • kee1haul

      With nothing but a menu to look at.

    • efnet

      Bro….the ps4 and ps4 slim won’t be doing any HDR according to the HDR alliance group, they don’t meet the standards.
      I’ve tested 2k17 which is HDR compatible on both ps4 and xbox one s.
      I don’t know what Sony is doing but this can only generate more bad press because the HDR don’t even exist on the ps4 right now, all you got is a menu saying enable HDR with no menu asking for 10bit ( which is needed for HDR)
      8bit or 36 bit

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      BS, show the proof because everything I see points that the HDMI port PS4 has does support the bandwidth of 2.0.

    • efnet

      All fanboying aside, you really need to take what I’m saying seriously because I’ve tried it on 3 tvs and the ps4 did not activate proper HDR on neither .
      What’s also weird is once you activate the HDR on the ps4 it does a nasty green push thus indicating that this isn’t real HDR at all.
      I don’t know what it is but my tv’s don’t recognize it as hdr10 nor Dolby vision…
      Also I’d like to point out that by your own words you said that everything suggest that the ps4 supports HDMI 2.0 , if that’s the case one would be able to stream HDR content ( hdr10 and Dolby vision)
      But again I have to point out that That’s far from the truth and furthermore not able to be done as ive tried already .

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      Again I say…PROOF

    • efnet

      Lol give me a sec…
      Its a shame someone who claims the ps4 can do HDR can’t even test it himself …smh

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      I don’t have a 4KTV bro lol. Love my 1080p HDTV, getting a new TV this year but I still think it’s too early for 4K. I’ll pick up another 1080p and in 4 years when the PS5 is here it will bring proper 4K.

    • efnet

      Lol proper 4k ???
      So 4k movies today aren’t proper 4k?
      Pc games that are 4k
      Aren’t proper 4k?
      Lol aw my gosh

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      Still waiting for that proof.

      Yes…proper 4K as in:


      AND of course most movies right now aren’t even released in UHD.

      (2) Scorpio is still a year out and Microsoft is claiming it will have 4K native games. We will see, perhaps at launch it can do some 4K but I find it very hard to believe that it will do all games in 4K Native. It will be upscaling same as PS4 Pro.

      (3) I really think Sony is playing this perfectly. PS4 Pro providing great power but not breaking the bank in a time of technology where the price doesn’t make sense to try to push it this early and let Microsoft repeat Sony’s mistake they made with the PS3.

      Then when the technology is where it should be and more movies are in UHD and more content is in 4K then we will have the PS5 at the right time and at the right price.

      Yeah…”Proper 4K”. Not this rushed, limited, broken promises that Microsoft is pushing for.

    • efnet

      Lol hilarious….i won’t even bother to enlighten you I mean you clearly know it all.

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      About how most studios don’t even shoot in 4K, never the less the fact that most movies don’t even get a UHD release:


    • efnet
    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      Seems like you should be showing the game with HDR turned on VS HDR turned off. Perhaps a video to prove it.

    • efnet

      Netflix crouching tiger hidden dragon UHD HDR
      xbox one s vs playstation 4
      With display info top left corner ..
      Ps4 couldn’t or didn’t put out UHD or HDR even though people are claiming it to be HDMI 2.0 compatible

    • kee1haul

      Oh, and you forgot to upvote yourself.

    • TheCellGames

      Mr.Monkeypoop! How many tears have you shed after the Sony event? Please don’t cry, the company you are a slave to only shot you in the head and left you to die. No power, ugly designs, no exclusives, no real 4K, no modding. Like a rat on the street. XD I am curious as to how they’re gonna do HDR on hardware that doesn’t support it. Maybe it’s all part of waiting for greatness.

    • Mr Xrat

      Still more powerful than the Shitbox Done, better looking than the cheesegrater, has games. But hey, you get gimped modding on two games and Ghostbusters. Good job. Keep waiting for Shitpio. 🙂

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      “This is smoke and mirror BS.”

      LMAO how is not having a 4KTV or and HDR capable TV smoke and mirror? You are an idiot, get a 4KTV and you can use it you cheap kid.

    • kee1haul

      Got one. Check my twitter.

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      Then you will see the benefit of HDR on the original PS4 once Battlefield 1, Call of Duty Infinite Warfare releases, as well as the patches for all the “forward compatible” games as noted https://www.vg247.com/2016/09/09/ps4-pro-every-game-confirmed/

  • LordCancer Kain

    are they going to release playstation displays? the 4k pc monitors do not have hdr and from what i can tell they are not coming anytime soon. ive been looking to upgrade my asus 27 1080p monitor, but these things are all gsync gypsy dancing gouge fests. $1500 for a 27inch monitor that doesn’t even support hdr…pc gaming at its finest. this 4k scam is killing me.

    • d0x360

      Why bother? The system won’t be able to render native 4k with that GPU. Nope you will get 1440p upscaled with some SMAA or TXAA. What a joke.

    • LordCancer Kain

      i have been building computers for more than a decade so i have a small idea how much power is required for native 4k and frankly i am not sold on 4k native or otherwise. HDR however is game changing theoretically and i assume since your complaint is about native 4k your a pc gamer? i dunno but, display tech as far as HDR is concerned is lacking both for monitors and hdtv’s, many hdtv do not support full hdr and monitors do not support hdr at all.

      sony has in the past released playstation displays so i wondered if they planned to do so now. it is a real pain to find legit reviews for specific display models and in many cases even if the monitor is hdr compatible it is often only compatible in cinema mode with high input lag while the low input game modes do not support hdr.

      this is one of the reason i prefer monitors for gaming but even the most expensive montiors right now in my opinion are not very good. you dont get hdr at all and outdated hdmi which wont event support gysnc/freesync and frankly i am not interested in paying that much money to worship at the foot of either of those two companies exclusively.

      sony and samsung seem to make the smallest hdr displays at 43″ but i wasn’t able to find reviews for those models to know whether or not hdr will work with games and low input lag.

      even though i am willing to spend the money, monitors are a disaster of ridiculous tech and expense that does not include hdr. the one tech that actually makes games look better is poorly implemented or not at all.

      then sony says hdr is coming to all playstations and that begs the question are they releasing 1080p hdr displays? something that doesn’t appear to be on the radar at all. the whole situation is bizarre and i would still like to know if they have upgraded the storage interface because that is just too slow.

    • d0x360

      I favor pc gaming but I would be a liar if I said I dont enjoy my Xbox one and ps4 despite their flaws.

      Very true not enough non 4k sets support HDR but my comment is entirely about me and why I see no value in the pro.

      Others might and if they do that’s awesome but I know it’s just not for me. I’m not a big fan of Sony exclusive games. I find most of them very shallow… beautiful but shallow. The only exception that immediately comes to mind is god of war.

      On the flip side we have Microsoft and I do like alot of their exclusive titles. I also like how if I buy it digitally I can play online with someone else in my house using that single copy. I sign in as me the gold account holder and game owner from a secondary Xbox and player 2 signs in on my accounts “home” Xbox which allows us to both play together on different consoles. This “feature” also extends to pc.

      So I plan on buying a 4k TV probably on spring. Around the same time I’ll probably buy a new GPU and when Scorpio comes out I’ll buy that and put it in the living room where my PC is also hooked up then I’ll move my living room Xbox to my bedroom or even sell it.

      The reason for buying the new Xbox is just a matter of convenience. Sometimes it’s easier to sit down quickly boot a console, jump into a game for 15-30 min then switch to Netflix. Other times I’d rather be able to have the full experience so I’ll play on PC with the visuals cranked up.
      It just comes down to whatever is a better value for the individual and for me buying a game once on Xbox and getting it on PC is a nice added value. Also i want a UHD Blu-ray player and I assume the Scorpio will have that.

    • LordCancer Kain

      the xbox S a is gorgeous piece of design. i am wondering how difficult it would be to mod a ps4 pro into that shell while i decide whether or not i want to buy a gaming sandwich. pro is ugly. lol

      i do not know what enhanced 1080p graphics means. if its slightly more annoying shadows like last of us remaster? then no thanks. better fps at 1080p? sure, maybe. for $400 i dunno. but if it has sata 3 i am sold and throwing in a 1TB SSD. my scale is different i suppose.

      there is also the question of whether or not pro with a 4k monitor is better than improved fps? certainly 4k even if dynamic and scaled would be an advantage(?) in multiplayer games since they will be the same fps regardless. if i decided on 4k now i will have to choose between an hdtv for hdr or a monitor which i prefer without hdr. the situation flat out sucks, and that was how i felt before pro was announced, now my plan to wait for hdr monitors crumbles.

      i am not necessarily the biggest fan (i hate that term), of many of the console exclusives but i absolutely love last of us single player and after a patch or two i will be checking out re-core on pc. i really love what microsoft is doing with cross platform releases and there willingness todo cross console multiplayer.

      sony says pc is there target competition but refusing cross play and mods and forcing the same fps in games is sending weird signals and there refusal to address usb storage is irritating. pro has to have sata 3 or that may sink the already confused value proposition for me.

      i am certainly in favor of mid cycle refreshes, i love the idea of neo, scorpio adding more power and my hope is they will continue every two or three years.

    • d0x360

      I agree I think a mid cycle refresh solves alot of issues. As for what the ps4 pro is capable of who knows…Sony was a bit unclear.

      Considering the systems overall power I’d imagine most devs will use it to run all 1080p games at 60fps and maybe enhance the visuals a little bit but doubling the frame rate wont leave much headroom and that baffles me…Sony should have put more ram in if they were going to stick with that gpu.
      The only reason the pro exists is because of psvr. Sony knows full well the normal ps4 is incapable of even half decent VR but even with the spec boost it still is below what I would consider acceptable on pc.

      As for the 4k…well I don’t see much benefit unless the image is native and it won’t be. The same complaints people have about Xbox one games will apply to the pro. They will upsample the image which will give it a soft low res look BUT it will also mean jaggies will be way more visible so resources will be poured into generous amounts of anti aliasing which in turn means lower overall visual quality and frame rate above 1080p…this thing was just a giant mistake.

      On top of that Sony now has 3 SKU’s launching this holiday. Ps4 slim which is pointless, ps4 pro and psvr.

      How many parents are gonna buy the wrong version of the ps4? I’d wager a good number. Everything they are doing is wrong. The spec, the marketing and the release windows…whoever planned this is stupid.

      It just shows Sony never lost their arrogance but now since only the PlayStation division is the only one keeping the company alive they can’t afford arrogance. They assume gamers will eat up anything they do but gamers have been giving Sony a free do anything and we won’t be mad pass since launch…those times are coming to an end.

      They are about to lose the only benefit they had which was better visuals. The Xbox on the other hand has more features in the system, a better network with more features, better uptime, better security, more content etc plus Microsoft has been pumping out some amazing exclusive titles for the last 2 years. How many good exclusive AAA ps4 games are there? 2?
      Sonys in trouble and no silly fanboy argument will save them.

      I know I ramble…as for your monitor situation…I hear yah. I prefer playing on a couch so my consoles and pc are hooked up to a tv and surround sound. I used to play pc games at a desk with a monitor and headphones but that’s just not a comfortable experience for me. So I save up and buy what I need piece by piece. Not long ago I replaced a 5.1 receiver for a 4k HDR ready Atmos receiver. Next up I’ll buy an HDR 4k tv that’s probably going to be 65inches but I’m shooting for 70. After that I’ll buy a new GPU for my PC, then pc VR and lastly the Scorpio. I won’t buy it at launch since I have a gaming PC I don’t need to but I do want the uhd Blu-ray drive and I need another Xbox for my bedroom anyways.

  • Fatty

    My TV does not support HDR so it means I have to buy a new TV as well 🙁

  • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

    (1) I was replying to your comment, I had yet to reply to your image posts.

    NICE how you talk about ignoring when I just proved you were wrong and that you could not “enlighten” me since I was the one that was correct. There is very little UHD movies out there and what there is much of it isn’t 4K so WTFE, if you can’t handle a simple response and proof…you know what they say about blind fanboys.

    (2) I’m all for the facts. Do you know all the facts? One thing is for sure is that you cannot be trusted. That is why my personal opinion will be based on professional reviews and comparisons.

    Back on topic though – Is Netflix even updated yet on PS4 to handle HDR? We know the top tier of Netflix allows 4K streaming but I don’t think that’s coming until the PS4 Pro is here. So your Netflix comparison may be null.

    On the gaming end you have still yet to show in game pics on PS4 with the HDR setting on VS off. In fact none of your pictures actually prove anything. Also why is it you have the PS4 set on automatic? Is there not a HDR “On” button? I of course haven’t even bothered to look myself.

    (3) Enjoy what you enjoy man. I’m more than happy for you to enjoy your Xbox One S over your PS4 if it’s suiting you better. That doesn’t give you a free pass to spread disinformation about PS4 HDR though.

    It shouldn’t be long before we have a professional review of PS4 HDR capabilities and direct comparisons.

    I’ll leave you with a reminder of Sony’s conference talking about HDR benefit and showcasing the benefits in the forward compatible titles and the PS4 Pro Enhanced titles releasing soon.

    Here’s Mark Cerny’s presentation again, pay attention to 4:20 mark he starts talking about HDR benefits even though he’s still talking about 4K.
    More importantly a full HDR review starts at 7:30 and shows direct benefit of original PS4’s on HDR TV’s.


  • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

    It’s you against me and the entire world right now efnet.

    NO ONE is saying PS4’s HDR doesn’t work. In fact the research I show that has been done says that there is indeed enough bandwidth in the port to support 2.0.

    I’ll wait for the official and professional review before casting my judgement.

    The only fact you have given is how biased you are and how you are jumping to conclusions without official word or professional review.

  • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

    That is the biggest crock I’ve seen you write.

    I will wait for digital foundry’s research, not some biased xbox fanboy all in a fuss because Sony stole Xbox One S’s HDR feature and gave it away for free to 43 million users.

  • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T


    We have the best looking pixels and you can too if you get rid of your xbox and buy a new xbox s.


    We have the same beautiful pixels and now 43 million PS4 gamers our there do too!

    Sony STOLE Micro$ofts HDR thunder.

  • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

    (1) Just because you are having some trouble with HDR on PS4 doesn’t mean anything. You are either purposely doing it, don’t know what you are doing or it needs a patch.

    (2) We have but wait and see the HDR benefits on PS4. Trust me, there will be PROFESSIONAL REVIEWS. That’s what I”m looking for.

    Not some biased fanboy BS from a known Xbox troll.

    lol checkmate you need to better understand the term because that was weak kid.

    • efnet

      Lol I’m not going argue with you about it, it’s a done deal bruh ..
      There’s no HDR on the old ps4
      And my my my don’t you sound dumb lol

      “Just because you are having some trouble with HDR on PS4 doesn’t mean anything. You are either purposely doing it, don’t know what you are doing or it needs a patch.”

      LMAO!!!! Spoken like a guy without a HDR capable tv …
      You moron There’s no such thing as having issues with HDR, the content you’re displaying either has it or it dont, and if it does your HDR compatible tv will automatically activate on its own lol

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      lol and the talking down begins! Yeah I don’t have an HDR TV and you have yet to actually prove anything and yeah…I dont trust the idiot troll that has nothing better to do than dis Sony all day every day, mornings, afternoons, nights & weekends 24 hours a day 7 days a week. So sorry kiddo.

      And I didn’t say “some people having trouble”. I said YOU. I have yet to see a peep about this from anyone, keep waiting for a comparison but none yet.

    • efnet

      Lol yes !!!! I love it allen ..
      You’re definitely letting me know just how dumb you are..
      I can’t have problems with HDR
      Because all 3 tvs that I’ve used it on will activate on its own just as long as the content has HDR lol

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      Bla bla bla, more BS, no proof, just your opinion and personal fanboy biased experience.

    • efnet

      I already showed you proof but your fanboyism won’t allow you to comprehend it….
      Its ok allen you’re free to do and believe whatever your special needs self desire lol
      Like I said I’m not even going to bother discussing this matter with someone who don’t even have anything HDR compatible lol
      Bye bye

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

      lol you showed a movie, not a game. Where’s the HDR on and HDR off in 2K17 on Xbox One S?

      We are waiting

    • efnet

      I’m not even home but I can definitely do that for you no problem
      But after that don’t message me no more you’re too stupid.

    • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T


      – tell me not to message you when you follow me around the net like a lost dog

      – harass me and my lil bro after work hours when we are gaming

      – supposedly blocked my disqus account twice already after me pwning you time and time again.

      You are hilarious kid

  • Allen – PSN iPITYtheFOOL_T

    Good bye kiddo, I knew you couldn’t prove anything and yes that does mean you are a joke.

    lol – you want people to just take your word for it over all the professionals out there that say otherwise. You are borderline psychotic.


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