PS4 And Xbox One Are Really Very Similar At This Point, Development Much Easier Than It Used To Be

Aidan Price, Game Designer at Eastasiasoft details how Lost Sea is shaping on consoles.

Posted By | On 04th, Feb. 2016 Under News | Follow This Author @GamingBoltTweet


It’s been over two years since the PS4 and Xbox One were released and both consoles have come a long way in terms of ease of games development and the number of quality titles on offer. As is the case with each console cycle, developers take time to get themselves acquaintedΒ withΒ the underlying hardware and find better and different ways to optimize performance.

Speaking toΒ Aidan Price, Game Designer at Eastasiasoft, GamingBolt asked how the studios’ latest title Lost Sea is shaping on the consoles.

“It’s been ok for the most part. Making games is always hard regardless of which platforms you’re developing for,” Aidan said to GamingBolt. “On this project we used Unity which really sped up development but also caused a few issues, but overall we’ve been very happy with it. No platform specific problems though (fingers crossed!).”

“They’re [PS4 and Xbox One] really very similar at this point. Both have their differences here and there but overall, it is much, much easier than it used to be, and again using an existing game engine like Unity really simplifies the process.”

It must be noted that engineers at both Sony and Microsoft have been working tirelessly to optimize both consoles’ performance. Both consoles now feature additional CPU power, improved graphics API and other under the box improvements, and it’s expected that developers will be able to push these consoles more and more in the future.


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  • Fweds

    That’s Good news for Gamers and Bad news for Fanboys.

    • DarthDiggler

      @disqus_Wclo7h9Hi8:disqus

      Why is it we are always getting these “oh PS4 and Xbox One are the same” quotes from developers who are working on small non-AAA titles? I would speculate the answer is two fold. One these games do not really dig into the hardware so of course the performance seems similar. Two this guy isn’t trying to dabble in the console fan wars so saying nice things about all platforms is just good for business.

      I wouldn’t expect a smaller game to have major issues being ported to any platform. No disrespect to this developer but this title looks like it could have been ported to Adobe Flash.

    • I saw this article on N4G and just knew I’d find some salty sony fanyboys in the comments crying and defending their precious from truth.

      But, hey! Familiar face. Defending Sony amd hating Xbox must be your life’s work. Yout hit every comment already like a desperate baby. Pathetic.

    • Guest

      I saw this article on N4G and just knew I’d find some salty MS fanyboys in the comments crying and defending their precious from truth.

      But, hey! Familiar face. Defending MS and hating Sony must be your life’s work. Yout hit every comment already like a desperate baby. Pathetic.
      And learn how to write, cuz you’re terrible at it.

    • *because

    • Guest

      That’s funny I just copied and oasted it from you, so you’re correcting yourself. LOL!

    • Well yeah, I always correct mistakes I make because of this damn phone keyboard.

      Something wrong with that, parrot boy?

    • Guest

      Blah, blah, blah, you don’t know how to write.

    • Is that the only thing that has upset you about me? Please, tell me more.

    • Guest

      Nope.

    • Fine, just pout and kick your feet then.

    • Guest

      Sorry, im not you.

      *Come on you’re taking to long.

    • Obviously, if you were you would be handsome and intelligent. Not this whiney little fanboy I see before me.

      Oh, well. Too bad, so sad.

    • Guest

      I am handsome and intelligent and a whiny little fanboy. Im you.

      Its sad.

    • I am sad. For the future of humanity with little fanboy morons like you running around acting like gradeschoolers.

    • Guest

      Stop talking to yourself, its sad and scary. Stop pretending we are not the same guy just pretending to be two different people. Its sick. And we are right, I am sad for the future of humanity with little fantards like us running around like little grade schoolers.

    • I know you are, but what am I?

    • Guest

      Stop talking to yourself already, you nut.

    • Try harder.

    • Guest

      Pathetic!

    • Mediocre! You are certainly neither shiny nor chrome.

    • Guest

      That’s it? That’s all I got?

    • DarthDiggler

      @BxB402:disqus

      You sound like a habitual bed wetter that still breast feeds.

      When you see your parents please slap them for me, they failed to raise you properly.

    • *pasted

      You added the last part, moron. Big Salty Tears.

    • Guest

      Hmm, it took you like 5 mins just to come up with one word? And if you weren’t so stupid, you’d realize that the “o” is right next to “p”. Its called a typo. Now stop being so pathetic. You’re really upset, because I told you that you cant write.

    • OC Guy

      “cuz”???…and he needs to learn to write? Maybe take your own advice.

    • Guest

      Yes, you don’t know what it means? You stupid or something? He cant even from a proper sentence but you’re going to talk nonsense to me because I short formed the word? Pathetic!
      And you didn’t capitalize the “c” moron, take your own advice, LOL!

    • Sounds like an angry sony fantard digging too hard for insults. Poor little thing.

    • Guest

      Sounds like a angry mstard digging to hard for insults.
      Is that the best you got? LOL!

    • Someone has a grudge. That you, JJ? Or are you really just another random overly defensive fanboy moron?

      Oh well.

    • Guest

      Nah, its me OC Guy, but yeah, im definitely a overly defensive ms fanboy, just like you.

    • Not me, but you should probably stop that. No one likes an overly defensive fanboy.

    • Guest

      Ok, then stop.

    • Quit talking to yourself.

    • Guest

      So you’re admitting that Im you and you are literally just having a argument with yourself.

    • DarthDiggler

      @BxB402:disqus

      Do you ever have anything intelligent to say? Seriously look over these comments you are embarrassing yourself!

    • J.j. Barrington

      “Random overly defensive fanboy moron.”

      Don’t be so hard on yourself.

    • What’s that about mustard? Yes, it is delicious.

    • XanderZane41

      You’ve been copying him word for word, so might want to ask yourself that same question.

    • J.j. Barrington

      And you’re not bringing anything worthwhile to the table, either, so where are you even finding the nerve to call anybody else out?

      On that note, why are you going so far to defend an obvious troll?

    • Because I’m not being a troll. You’re the troll. Delusional sony fanboy troll swimming around like a pilot fish sucking up Digglers scraps and leaving your own little trail of waste.

      You, Diggler, and Guest are 3 peas in a podstation. Your kind typically clop in herds, so not surprising.

      You’ll argue and troll till you are blue in the face but never provide one crap of evidence for your ridiculous fanboy claims. Ps4 has a 50% raw power advantage? Please. It’s 30% at best. Ask any competant PC Master.

      Inb4iknoweverythinganudafanboycuz

    • J.j. Barrington

      lol, sure. The guy hiding his comment history and with nothing productive in ANY gaming conversation isn’t a troll.

    • Funny, your buddy Darth hides it too. I also saw him admit to it being 30% instead of 50%

      Cry louder, little toadie.

    • J.j. Barrington

      lol, sure, sure. Didn’t you pull the “little creepy stalker fanboy” thing first?

      Geez, do you fail.

    • No, we obviously just visit the same gaming news sources….and you’re an idiot. Figures you would try to say something like that though.

      At least you didn’t deny being Mr. Creepy and trying to following me. Takes a special kind.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Well, you see, before I go throwing around the claim of fanboy, I check out what people have said. Wouldn’t want to wrongly accuse you. Fortunately, I was right.

      Unfortunately for you, you’re in over your head in yet another argument.

    • Says the guy telling blatant lies like “ps4 is 50% more powerful than Xbox One”.

      What lie did I tell?

      You’re such a fanboy moron, it’s ridiiculous. Delusional AF too.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Eh? What was that? Sorry, I don’t speak stupid. Try English.

    • It was English. Anyone can look at your history and see you claiming ps4 has a 50% power advantage. Are you claiming you didn’t say that, or are you writing off your own lies while telling more?

      Better hurry and make yourslf private now to hide the facts of your blatant fanboyism!

      LMAO You’re done.

    • It was English. Anyone can look at your history and see you claiming ps4 has a 50% power advantage. Are you claiming you didn’t say that, or are you writing off your own lies while telling more?

      Better hurry and make yourslf private now to hide the facts of your blatant fanboyism!

      LMAO You’re done. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/df7853df37b9a5579f938467ff5b463e785755a1f1eaa13a1000a51102ce9f8b.png

    • J.j. Barrington

      sure, sure.

    • J.j. Barrington

      You’re still failing.

    • DarthDiggler

      @XanderZane41:disqus

      Says the guy that has no original thoughts of his own. Good luck with that brilliant mind of yours it will be well suited to cook french fries at your local fast food joint.

    • DarthDiggler

      @BxB402:disqus

      No one is digging for insults. Before you showed up this was an intelligent conversation for the most part.

      Thanks for demonstrating yet again the Internet has no end of A-holes.

    • XanderZane41

      You mean “can’t even form a proper sentence”. How ironic. lol!! Back to grade school, I’d say.

      As for the systems they aren’t that far apart in performance. Sure the PS4 is a little bit more powerful, but it can barely run a 1080P game at 60fps without dropping frames or having other issues. It’s the king of Indie games this gen though. Indie developers simply love the PS4. I play multiplats on both systems.

    • J.j. Barrington

      And the king of multiplats, too.

      And not too shabby in the exclusives department, either.

    • DarthDiggler

      @XanderZane41:disqus

      As for the systems they aren’t that far apart in performance.

      For the most part games are running 1080p on PS4 and 900p on Xbox One. Many third party games have followed this trend.

      1080p = 1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
      900p = 1600 x 900 = 1,440,000 pixels

      633,600 or about 31% pixels missing on Xbox One.

      Sure the PS4 is a little bit more powerful, but it can barely run a
      1080P game at 60fps without dropping frames or having other issues.

      This comment is just devoid of truth. You don’t say a thing that will convince any PS4 gamer that you own a PS4. For one the frame rate is up to the developer. Most of us on consoles played 30fps last gen and it’s not a big deal when developers stay with 30fps this generation. There are many options for games that run at 60fps with a stable frame rate.

      So instead of repeating things you have heard from other people who don’t likely own a PS4 or at least play on them regularly, why don’t you opt out of the conversation that you really have no expertise to comment on?

      It’s the king of Indie games this gen though. Indie developers simply love the PS4. I play multiplats on both systems.

      Do you ever have an original thought of your own? I have seen bots that have more to offer to a conversation than you.

      Look we pretty much established you down own a PS4 so your narrow minded comments about the PS4 are being taken seriously by anyone who cares here.

      Now go back to your room junior the adults are speaking.

    • DarthDiggler

      @disqus_io7n73C8um:disqus

      With all due respect, cuz isn’t a word. The word is because.

    • J.j. Barrington

      As a writer, linguist, and very minor language historian, I’ll have to disagree. Even if it’s hated, it’s a part of the English language now.

      Believe me, I know how you feel about that word; “bae” does the same to me. But as much as I may disagree with its very existence, the honest truth is that languages are alive, growing almost daily. Definitions are added- for example, the word “gay”- or outright changed- see “aweful’s” evolution into awful- regularly.

      And as someone who comes up with words on a regular basis, I can’t agree with you here in saying that “cuz” isn’t a word. In fact, it was first short for “cousin,” while “’cause” was the abbreviation of “because.” Internet and texting brevity pushed “’cause” to “cuz,” which now has two completely unrelated meanings.

      But enough about that.

    • DarthDiggler

      @BxB402:disqus

      I saw this article on N4G and just knew I’d find some salty sony fanyboys in the comments crying and defending their precious from truth.

      Who is being salty here? My comments are free of any fanboyism and I am just point out facts. Your inability to be objective about my comments only points out your bias not mine.

      But, hey! Familiar face. Defending Sony and hating Xbox must be your life’s work. You hit every comment already like a desperate baby. Pathetic.

      I am being civil and I am usually civil until some assclown like yourself shows up making wild claims that I am salty or “defending” Sony.

      Would you like to keep this conversation on an adult level?

      Or are you going to be a small child tossing out wild claims that do not jive with observable reality?

      Its up to you bro, I can take my gloves off if you like. πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

    • J.j. Barrington

      He’s just a really sad Xbox fanboy, that’s all.

    • DarthDiggler

      @jjbarrington:disqus

      He likely still wets the bed and breasts feeds.

    • Michael Norris

      Lol you sound like salty one,the pure fact is when you compare both consoles the Ps4 just does more overall in the graphics/frame rate department.

    • Tomaterrrx

      Just ignore the fanbos. I prefer my X1 but I know that the PS4 is better in the graphics/ frame department. I just never notice the differances so I don’t really care either.

    • DarthDiggler

      @Tomaterrrx:disqus

      If you like the Xbox One better for the exclusive games I can’t fault you with that, but it doesn’t take any expertise to see the difference between 1080p and 900p especially with everyone owning TVs that are at least 50″.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Honestly, it doesn’t take a TV that big.

      It DOES help to be exposed to the differences regularly, though. That’s one of the things I learned when I made the jump to HD.

      Back in the day, I couldn’t tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. I just knew they were both vastly superior to SD. It wasn’t until I was very used to HD that I could easily see the difference between the two.

      Now 900p isn’t something I’m used to. I haven’t had many occasions to see a game or TV program at that resolution, so I don’t know how well I’d be able to discern the difference.

      However, given some familiarity with the two resolutions, it wouldn’t be a problem.

    • Tomaterrrx

      Well I can’t notice the differance and I use my PS and X1 in my room where the TV is 42inch. Maybe if I used the main TV which is 50inch I would notice the differance.

    • OC Guy

      Just because they are working on “small games” doesn’t mean the engineers don’t know what they are talking about. I would take their word over your opinion every time.

    • Guest

      Wrong, just because they are engineers, doesn’t mean the know the limits of the systems. I would trust common scene over your assumptions.

    • You’re Darth Diggler under a different name. It’s obvious and beyond pathetic. Hahah fanboys.

    • Guest

      Nope, sorry im not, and you’re obvious OC guy, haha fanboys, beyond pathetic. Keep trying though!

    • Hehe your jimmies are rustled.

    • Guest

      Hehe, nope but yours obviously are. Oh and by the way, you forgot to add the comma, why am I not surprised.

    • DarthDiggler

      @disqus_io7n73C8um:disqus

      Well I certainly take no pleasure in someone mistaking me for you. I find it extremely offensive actually.

    • DarthDiggler

      @BxB402:disqus

      LOL I only post under the name DarthDiggler. I am proud of my words.

      Go away bedwetter, don’t you have some breast feeding to do?

      Change your diapers while you are at it you are getting grumpy junior.

    • Tomaterrrx

      Both you and guest use lol in capitals which is kinda lame. Doesn’t matter if you are both the same person.

    • DarthDiggler

      @Tomaterrrx:disqus

      Oh you are quite the sleuth! Master detective indeed, Batman better watch out! πŸ™‚

      I am sure there are plenty of people that use LOL in caps. Are you suggesting I am all those people at once? Yes I have 300 PCs logged into Disqus at all times — you caught me! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

      Look I have no issues speaking intelligently or using ad hominems when I encounter a total douchenozzle like yourself.

      See its mental midgets like yourself that have to rely on trolling because you lack the intellectual gravitas to really take me to task over my words. I guess I should be happy that you know and understand your limitations.

      The fact that you think that 2 commenters using LOL in all caps means they must be the same person only demonstrates what little intellectual abilities you have.

      Have a great weekend Sherlock!

    • Tomaterrrx

      I didn’t say you were the same person, idiot. So half of what you just said was BS, false, unnecessary and plain over-reaction. The fact that you are trying to argue with that troll and trying to be clever with his insults and then use LOL is just stupid. Most people use lol in normal conversations and not in capitals. You using ad hominems just makes you even more of a troller so please shut up.

  • kee1haul

    He’s got a point. More games are seeing parity now.

    • DarthDiggler

      @kee1haul:disqus

      Take a look at the trailer for the game this guy is making. Software alone won’t bring Xbox One into alignment with PS4. Whatever software tricks MS can do to get their games running better Sony can do too. Of course with the exception of tapping into ESRAM, but the usefulness of the ESRAM as implemented in Xbox One is debatable. Some developers sing it’s praises other developers feel 32MB is not nearly enough.

    • Edonus

      The whole 32mb stuff is so stupid. 32mb od eSram can move in real world over 160GBs of data. These sites have brain f^%ked some many people were they forgot physical size is different from digital processing.
      What they are telling you is that 160+GBs of bandwidth isn’t enough…. Ps4 maxes out at 176GBs…. when you add the X1s Ddr3 ram bandwidth you are talking well over 200GBs of system bandwidth.
      Its telling how these sites don’t highlight that FACT because they told everyone the Ps4 is so much more powerful from the beginning. How can it actually move more data thus the potential to out perform the Ps4 when they have been telling us to expect 50% more power.

    • Guest

      No, it cant, and you are just making things up. The puny 32MB of ESRAM is a major bottleneck in the systems design and everybody knows it. Hence why MS has done nothing but struggled the whole time to try and improve the situation, with only minimal results, as evidenced by The Division which still has to resort to dropping its res in order to keep its framerate up and still cant even do that, as the game runs worst than the higher res PS4 version. And the game was more designed with X1 in mind han the PS4 and still cant match it.
      And ESRAM can only do 140GB at best. Here’s the proof, MS themselves telling you http://i.imgur.com/utIhTrU.png and the DDR3 only does 50-55GB/s at best

    • OC Guy

      I don’t think you helped your argument all that much with the numbers you gave. Also, MS has done an admiral job with the X1 by opening up CPU and GPU processor speeds that were once closed to developers, add all the software improvements and you have a very different X1 that was first released. The fact that the Division can maintain 1080p (at many points if not all) with a solid 30fps shows that. X1 may not be achieving the same level of benchmarks the PS4 does all the time but it has gotten significantly closer to being on par with it. Close enough to where the differences are minimal.

    • Guest

      A solid framerate? Look at the framerate fall apart for a almost sustained minute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvF_TwLtUEM&feature=player_detailpage#t=618
      And mostly 1080p? The game drops in res the moment you take control/as soon as you get of the helicopter. Not exactly a impressive start. And all on a game you know was gears towards the x1’s capabilities. Im not saying its terrible, but let’s not get all impressed by it either.

    • OC Guy

      The frame rate holds very close to 30fps when it does did and if you didn’t have it listed right in front of you, you wouldn’t notice it at all. That, and the game still looks good no matter if it is rendering at 1080p or lower. You seem beyond obsessed with benchmarks only. The game looks just fine to me and I am not seeing any reason to go overboard on the nitpicking. The benchmark differences are minimal. I don’t see any reason to complain about it.

    • DarthDiggler

      @oc_guy:disqus

      Also, MS has done an admiral job with the X1 by opening up CPU and GPU processor speeds that were once closed to developers

      To be fair Sony has done similar things with the PS4. So we can call that a wash.

      add all the software improvements and you have a very different X1 that was first released.

      To be fair Sony has improved their software as well, so this is a wash too.

      The fact that the Division can maintain 1080p (at many points if not all) with a solid 30fps

      Yeah The Division struggles with 1080p with any scene that is “busy”. I highly doubt that XB1 maintains 1080p with any scene that has significant action. They may improve this for the release, but I wouldn’t expect miracles.

      EuroGamer covers DigitalFoundary’s analysis they aren’t nearly as optimistic as you are.

      http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-division-beta-on-xbox-one-uses-dynamic-resolution

      X1 may not be achieving the same level of benchmarks the PS4 does all the time but it has gotten significantly closer to being on par with it.

      If it wasn’t for Dynamic Resolution MS wouldn’t be that much better off than they were at launch. Like I said before Sony can implement pretty much any of the changes MS has implemented to the Xbox One. With exception to ESRAM optimizations, but with the architecture of the PS4 ESRAM isn’t necessary.

      The reason why Sony was able to close the gap and exceed the Xbox 360 with the PS3 is because Sony had a crap API when the PS3 launched. Without a good API it was up to developers to code everything. The PS3 was better hardware the developers really didn’t start digging into it until the PS3 was already 3 years old. That situation doesn’t exist this generation. The hardware is set software will make small improvements, but won’t change the fact that PS4 can outperform Xbox One.

    • DarthDiggler

      @disqus_io7n73C8um:disqus

      That image you posted is from 2014. MS has changed their API since than so those figures are not accurate.

      BTW Edonus isn’t being a jerk so let’s try to show some respect to the guy. He is actually bringing some value to this conversation.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Don’t let edonus fool you.

    • DarthDiggler

      @jjbarrington:disqus

      We all have our good days and bad. When my patience is tried I can get quite ugly. πŸ™‚ At least at this moment he seems to be playing fair, wouldn’t you agree?

    • Edonus

      First your capture is all over the place and barely coherent. I remember when they were making these half truth docs. The design is propagandized. It doesn’t just say directly, if reading and writing the bandwidth is around of eSram 150 directly from the mouths of the creators. In an interview with th design team before the console even launched they said it had a system bandwidth of over 200GBs. What your little doc is doing is looking at the eSram and ddr3 ram combined maximum only if you read or only if you write. Since in games you do both at the same time the X1 memory bandwidth is ove 200GBs.
      See I l can actually read…. It just shows the bias through outthe media when the sources have tried so hard to convolute the reality. They can just say “NO” it cant be done because some of us know it can so they have to confuse and spin a very simple message. The X1 has a higher system bandwidth than the Ps4.

    • DarthDiggler

      @Edonus:disqus

      I am not one of these people suggesting that ESRAM is useless, but the system designs of the PS4 and the Xbox One clearly indicate ESRAM was an expensive design choice for Xbox One and makes the system more complex to code for than PS4. The fact of the matter is some 3rd party efforts likely don’t tap into ESRAM as much as 1st party efforts. Kind of the same way many 3rd party games for PS3 didn’t dig into the Cell CPU.

      The problem with quoting those figures though is they are the theoretical limits. I am not confident that 3rd party studios are achieving those results. I would speculate that the PS4 requires less “dabbling” to approach those theoretical limits. Which is why the 3rd party results have leaned in PS4’s favor. Less effort for better results.

      There are only so many resources available to a development studio. Sony was wise to make their system very easy to code for.

    • Edonus

      I actually agree with you 100% and will add that as the new engines and techniques came out and are refined with things like tiled resources and asynchronous computing becomes more standard I think we will see 3rd party offerings line up more than they already do. The only thing is with Ps4s lead in install base and speed at using the old engines and techniques the devs may take longer to adapt the changes these system need to really shine.

    • Big Salty Tears

    • Guest

      Big Salty Tears

    • J.j. Barrington

      But this guy doesn’t think he’s an Xbox fanboy.

      No salient arguments, but he’s just laying out the facts.

      lol

    • DarthDiggler

      @jjbarrington:disqus

      Yeah I just love how some Xbox fans descend on to comments and declare everyone a fanboy while they offer no value to the conversation.

      They act like people can’t look at their behavior and decide for themselves that they are in fact a bunch of unintelligent assclowns.

      I can dish it out too. πŸ™‚

    • kee1haul

      Might be true that PS4 can implement greater advantages through software, but will they? The cell processor never was. Seems to me in the current climate, it would be more advantageous for devs do work on ESRAM to level the playing field.

    • Guest

      What the heck does Cell have to do with this. Devs already use ESRAM, its a matter of figuring out how to squeeze as much as is needed into the tiny amount. That’s not a easy task. Whereas you don’t have that problem at all on PS4.

    • DarthDiggler

      @kee1haul:disqus

      Might be true that PS4 can implement greater advantages through software, but will they?

      No it is true. Sony is constantly adding features to their API. It’s not like the programmers for the API closed up shop once the PS4 shipped, their job is not done. With all due respect, suggesting that Sony isn’t interested in optimizing their system is complete hogwash.

      The cell processor never was.

      This isn’t even a complete sentence. What exactly are you trying to say about the Cell?

      The Cell turned out to be a saving grace for Sony, while it was a beast to code for once they started digging into the processor they got some very good results. Uncharted would not have been as impressive without the Cell. Same goes for many Sony first party games.

      Seems to me in the current climate, it would be more advantageous for devs do work on ESRAM to level the playing field.

      The fact is Multiplatform developers do not have much motivation to “level the playing field”. Either MS creates an API that will result in software that achieves parity with PS4 or they do not. First party MS developers will give the system more attention, but 3rd party devs have stricter deadlines so they aren’t going to be reinventing the wheel just to make Xbox One look as good as PS4, they simply do not have the time to do that.

      Many devs praise the ESRAM, many devs feel like the scant 32MB of ESRAM isn’t enough.

    • kee1haul

      I’m not reading that.

    • J.j. Barrington

      But you expect someone to read your drivel about the unrelated Cell?

    • kee1haul

      I don’t even remember typing that.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Seems likely.

    • DarthDiggler

      @kee1haul:disqus

      Put down the bong and crack a book.

      I find it hilarious that someone who admits he doesn’t read, feels his comments are valuable to the rest of us.

      What you don’t realize is you destroyed any credibility you pretended to have.

    • DarthDiggler

      @kee1haul:disqus

      Sorry did I not post that comment in the “I can read” format?

    • J.j. Barrington

      Which games?

    • DarthDiggler

      @jjbarrington:disqus

      Exactly.

      @kee1haul:disqus

      The latest example — The Division is 1080p on PS4, and uses dynamic resolution on Xbox One, It will reach 1080p (1920×1080) but only in scenes that aren’t “busy”. Resolution dips between 1792×1008 and seem will go as low as 1728×972. Which is better than 900p, but still falls short of a true 1080p image.

      http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-division-beta-on-xbox-one-uses-dynamic-resolution

      Non-AAA indie games should have parity overall.

  • Riggybro

    I imagine if you are developing an isometric/2D game the consoles would be much more similar compared to if you are desperately pushing for every last frame/pixel in a more demanding title.

    • DarthDiggler

      @disqus_qu556x8YEp:disqus

      Exactly and this website doesn’t seem to mind trotting out these small time developers to speak to how equal both systems are while they are working on something that looks like a browser game.

  • Jason Mounce

    Yeah, instead of just 720p or 920p vs 1080p (PS4), it’s now going to be like The Division where it’s got Dynamic resolution, where it ranges from 800p-980p and 1080p depending on how much the game has volumetric effects and things on the screen at once.

    Reality being, optimization will enhance – but when they say ‘optimization’ they REALLY mean the techniques used to blur the ‘difference’ and give the illusion of Sameness. The hardware won’t change, PS4’s hardware is still better. Same logic applies to how Sony blurred the difference with Uncharted 2 and Uncharted 3, it visually was stunning, but used a lot of techniques to try to hide the disadvantages to the bottlenecks.

    • DarthDiggler

      @jasonmounce:disqus

      I read with the Ryse engine MS was able to hide all the screen tearing just off the frame. I have to hand it to them there, that is a pretty brilliant idea.

    • Jason Mounce

      All techniques, are like martial arts. They are to empower you with concepts of taking advantage of certain weaknesses and obstacles and can equally be impressive, though that doesn’t mean it escapes criticism πŸ˜›

    • DarthDiggler

      @jasonmounce:disqus

      Agreed but off frame screen tearing and dynamic resolutions definitely showcase MS definitely cares about the differences in hardware and doing their best to erase that difference.

      Sony had a lot easier job of catching up last generation, they just needed to sort out their API. Pretty much any optimizations MS does with Xbox One can be repeated on PS4 and generally will have better results on PS4 unless that optimization technique employs the use of the ESRAM.

    • Michael Norris

      Yea i don’t understand what you mean by ”off frame screen tearing”. I know you can hide screen tearing on the top of the frame but it’s still there also depends how often the screen tears.

    • DarthDiggler

      @Michael Norris

      You know I would have to dig for the article, but Phil Spenser says Ryse doesn’t have tears because of the 30 fps lock. It was a small remark in another article about Ryse. I didn’t see it mentioned in many places so it wasn’t something that the developer was sharing openly.

      http://gamingbolt.com/phil-spencer-defends-against-claims-that-ryse-has-screen-tearing-blames-video-player

      Basically the way I read it is Ryse would have screen tearing but just outside of the viewable area. In the over-scan area.

      http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/27/hd-101-overscan-and-why-all-tvs-do-it/

    • Guest

      Games have been doing that since last gen, there is nothing new or really even that impressive about it, they just relegate it to the upper 8 pixels.

    • DarthDiggler

      @disqus_io7n73C8um:disqus

      What other games advertised they employ that “feature”?

      I keep tabs on game news daily and I Ryse was the first game I heard moving the screen tearing off screen.

      Its still a pretty brilliant technique.

    • justerthought

      Rubbish. Who told you that, a nine year old boy. I’s ridiculous. The frame is the pixel area you see on screen. Screen tear is a pixel artifact. If the screen tear was “Just off” outside the screen area, then there are no pixels there to tear. You are so gullible giving praise to that load of fanboy horse crap.

    • DarthDiggler

      @justerthought:disqus

      Yeah the other people commenting on this don’t seem to share your point of view.

      Maybe you should tone down your nastiness.

      How about we start over?

      Hi, I am DarthDiggler, nice to meet you justerthought! πŸ™‚

    • Michael Norris

      I hate screen tearing but if it’s at the top of the screen i can live with it.

    • DarthDiggler

      @Michael Norris:disqus

      This tearing was hidden off frame, so you couldn’t see it.

    • OC Guy

      If it works it works.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Except it works both ways: the PS4’s software will improve, as well. And seeing as it’s starting from a better position, it would KEEP ps4 games ahead.

    • DarthDiggler

      @jjbarrington:disqus

      For the most part. I wonder if Sony or any third parties will bring these techniques to PS4 games? Would technically allow for more detail and effects on “less busy” scenes. They could keep the frame rate and resolution fixed and allow details to be dynamically added.

    • wow

      Sony updating software? bahahaha
      PSOS 3.0 looks like it could be on an N64, while XB1’s OS gets big updates every month.
      Much better development kits and etc.
      To do anything on a PS4 is so damn slow, you need to put an SSD to make it almost as fast as the XB1 in loading games/apps, going to party chat, minimizing games/apps and etc.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Wow, indeed. Your ignorance is certainly of a level that elicits such a response.

      Yet another fanboy trying too hard.

    • wow

      is there a PSOS 4.0 that i don’t know about?

    • J.j. Barrington

      There’s a lot you don’t know about. Willfully so, in most cases.

    • wow

      actually, I have a bunch of buddies that have PS4. Play on them to play rocket league only, I’ve navigated through the menus many times. It’s just an outdated OS that’s all.
      I was actually going to sell my XB1 until the NXOE update came out in November. All because of the OS: slow and terrible mechanics.
      Plus, I game on my computer in my room as well so I have an XB1 controller playing my XB1 games and a keyboard for my steam games.

    • J.j. Barrington

      lol, sure.

  • DarthDiggler

    Well I am glad this developer can get his Flash game looking just as good on Xbox One as it does for PS4.

    • textomatic

      Yep. Now lets get some dedicated servers on PS4 so that developers stop making us play peer-to-peer on Xbox One. Compromise is a 2 way street.

    • DarthDiggler

      @textomatic:disqus

      Yep. Now lets get some dedicated servers on PS4 so that developers stop making us play peer-to-peer on Xbox One. Compromise is a 2 way street.

      This sentence doesn’t even make sense. You want dedicated servers on PS4 so you won’t have to play peer-to-peer on Xbox One? What exactly does compromise have to do with it?

      Are you referring to the myth that MS was trying to spread prior to Xbox One release? Remember when everyone thought that every online game on Xbox One would be using Azure for dedicated servers?

      Sorry to break this to you but not all Xbox One games employ the use of Azure for game hosting. COD on Xbox One is peer to peer just like PS4. Battlefront on Xbox One is using dedicated servers just like Xbox One.

      Third party developers are going to setup their own dedicated servers like they have always done. MS doesn’t offer the cloud for game servers for no charge to the publisher. Publishers of scale will setup their own solutions and it won’t cost them as much.

    • OC Guy

      yawn….and the little fanboy chimes in with her bitterness….go back to bed, kid.

    • Guest

      Says the bitter fangirl, go back to bed girl.

    • Guest, please remove Digglers ball bag from your mouth so we can hear you whine more clearly.

    • Guest

      Just as soon as you remove OC Guys, and you wanna talk about whining? Stop whining already because I upset your little fangirl sensibilities.

    • Just as soon as you remove Digglers, and you wanna talk about whining? Stop whining already because I upset your little fangirl sensibilities.

    • Guest

      I really need to stop talking to myself.

    • DarthDiggler

      @BxB402:disqus

      Why don’t you keep your homosexual fantasies to yourself. I think GamingBolt is trying to keep these comments somewhat family friendly. πŸ™‚

    • DarthDiggler

      @BxB402:disqus

      Go ahead and form your best intellectual argument against me. The fact is you don’t have it in you. You seem like a kid that took the short bus to school because you ate too many paint chips as a kid.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Intellectual? From that guy?

      Don’t hold your breath.

    • DarthDiggler

      @jjbarrington:disqus

      I think I properly responded. πŸ™‚

    • Ok, here’s my best argument: I ask you to right now provide proof that what you say is true relating to the downtimes, thisnis the issue I want to hear about though this isna different story. Guys like you always discount downdetector and other bits of evidence of a larger issue and tell people to go look at the actual facts, but never have a single link to back it up. So, please, if it’s that simple as you and guys like JJ have said, throw me a link or 50 if you have them. Prove once an for all that xbl goes down more often and that psn is mostly DDOS kiddies, that articles like the one you cried about factually overstate the issues with PSN, and down detector is full of false statements instead of legit complaints. You and guys like JJ act like you have better info and sources than the ones I use, and shoot them down as hard as you can. So share that proof of yours. Own me hard, please. Don’t post a bunch of yadda yadda BS. Give me your proof.

      I bet you don’t have anything but your defensiveness. I dare you. I Triple Dog Dare you.

    • DarthDiggler

      @BxB402:disqus

      I ask you to right now provide proof that what you say is true relating to the downtimes, thisnis the issue I want to hear about though this isna different story.

      So your best attempt at an intellectual argument is riddled with typos, spelling and grammar errors.

      This isn’t starting out so good for you Savage. πŸ™‚

      Guys like you always discount downdetector and other bits of evidence of a larger issue and tell people to go look at the actual facts, but never have a single link to back it up.

      DownDetector is a social service and it’s data relies on what users input. User inputted data could be wrong. Some people may be hitting up DownDetector before they even check their own connection. Some people may hit up DownDetector because they are devout fans of another platform and they wish to tarnish the reputation of a competing platform. DownDetector also has no follow-through. Meaning users input their console is down, but there is little to no motivation to showcase when it came back up. Small blips in service can hardly be considered down-time.

      Of course I can’t provide you a link with evidence to which system has the most amount of up-time. Sony and Microsoft do not publish that kind of information.

      Sorry Savage but this isn’t an intellectual argument. In an academic sense this is a logical fallacy. You are appealing to an authority. Just because DownDetector says something doesn’t mean it is true.

    • DarthDiggler

      @BxB402:disqus

      Also DownDetector’s data stems from anecdotal evidence.

    • DarthDiggler

      @BxB402:disqus

      DownDetector’s own disclaimer reveals the unreliability of their own data.

      Got any more “intelligent” arguments for me? Go ahead man! I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU!

    • DD is just one of many pieces to consider, I asked for the proof you fellows talk of that makes all of the other side evidence false. For proof that PSN goes down less like you say. Simple demand. You didn’t give. You spent the whole time trearing apart down detector like an idiot. You willfully avoided what I actually asked for and then even admitted it doesn’t exist.

      Thank you for admitting you have zero proof to back up your claims.

    • J.j. Barrington

      See, here’s the thing:

      The proof that it doesn’t go down as often is in the lack of tens of millions of complaints about just that. It’s in the lack of detail about these problems. It’s in the fact that every time there ARE reports of it being down, it’s made out to be a big deal, but never corroborated.

      It’s hilarious that you tried to use the tweet from Sony that said “some users” to support your claim of it being a widespread deal. Or trying to say that the simple fact that they acknowledged there WAS an issue meant it was widespread.

      It might be anecdotal, but there are far more reports of there being NO problems for users than there are reports of there being problems. The articles that cite problems have frequently been caught exaggerating the problem, but you dismiss all that as not being evidence enough.

      Downdetector isn’t a reliable source. You don’t, for example, need to supply any sort of evidence when you submit your claim of having problems. That means people like you can make a few dozen accounts and say “My PSN was down.”

      Meanwhile, plenty of people that AREN’T Xbox fanboys report they don’t have problems as frequently or as extensively as such articles imply.

    • BAWWWWW IT ALL XBOX FANBOY MAKE REPROTS NOT REAL PEPOL!

    • J.j. Barrington

      Keep trying.

    • Don’t need to, you’re done.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Your idiocy is a little like radiation: too much is lethal. So yeah, for now at least, I’m done with you.

      But the next time you say something asinine, I’ll probably be there to expose your stupidity.

    • No link to this supposedly easy to find info your kind brag about?

      What a surprise. You lose.

    • DarthDiggler

      @oc_guy:disqus

      Please point out to me which part of my statement is false?

      The only bitterness here is you and your friend @BxB402:disqus both of your vaginas are very sore because you know what I am saying is 100% true.

      I am not being a fanboy about this, we see these stories all the time (mostly from Gaming Bolt). Small time indie developer working on a game that looks like a port of a browser game is all of a sudden an expert on PS4 and Xbox One hardware?

      Give me a break.

  • OC Guy

    Most games from here on out will be almost identical with maybe X1 up-scaling from 900p to 1080p on more demanding games. I can live with that, no problem. Just get Crackdown and Gears out ASAP!!!

    • J.j. Barrington

      No, they won’t, lol.

    • DarthDiggler

      @oc_guy:disqus

      Do the math on these resolutions. I assume you know what math is right? πŸ™‚

      1080p = 1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
      900p = 1600 x 900 = 1,440,000 pixels

      633,600 or about 31% pixels missing on Xbox One.

  • Xbox one 2econd gpu unlocking

    We are still playing weak as well.
    we may agree on the NDA to expire on our 2n gpu layer at some point.

    • DarthDiggler

      @2econdgpuunlocking:disqus

      I would not hold my breath for that 2nd GPU.

    • Xbox one 2econd gpu unlocking

      We don’t it yet anyway

    • J.j. Barrington

      You don’t have it, so needing it or not is irrelevant.

    • Xbox one 2econd gpu unlocking

      We may even agree to not want it yet.
      We support the NDA.

    • J.j. Barrington

      It doesn’t exist.

  • Guest

    Im just here for the salty MS fanboy comments, definitely not disappointed.

  • Mark

    What he’s saying is that both systems use the same CPU architecture (X86) than last gen…..thats all guys lol.

  • Nonsense. Everybody knows that Based PS4 is a Supercharged PC!
    There developers are obviously being paid by Micro$oft or are Xbots.

  • MattS123

    They’re close if you ignore graphics or the developer holds back on the PS4.

  • justerthought

    “Really very similar.”

    PS3 at 720p and 360 at 720p was really similar. PS4 at 1080p and XB1 at 900p upscaled is not really similar. If you have good eyesight and sit at the correct distance from your HD TV, you can see the difference. Upscale blur does not equal nice smooth image when up against the clarity of PS4 running 1080p native pixel to pixel on your 1080p HD TV.

    The gap will stay the same because the devs will optimise both consoles over time which will maintain the disparity. Then you have the fact that the devs will spend the most optimisation money on the platform with the largest user base because that pays most of their wages. So PS4 could widen the graphical quality gap even further.

    • DarthDiggler

      @justerthought:disqus

      I am kind of shocked this comment is not followed by a bunch of ire. The Xbox fans must not have seen your comment yet. Or maybe they don’t know how to make their browser scroll down. We aren’t dealing with rocket scientists here.

  • Dirkster_Dude

    Before I commented I saw a lot of comments about the PS4 having so much more raw performance, blah, blah, blah. That raw performance is just that raw – it is a theoretical statistic that doesn’t necessarily translate to a better looking game. Maybe the people developing the games no matter they are working on first, third, or an independent game have some knowledge of what they are talking about and all the fanboy/fangirls can shut up.

    • J.j. Barrington

      … except we’ve seen this raw performance translate into better performing games in very nearly EVERY case. It’s not theoretical, in that the performance difference isn’t fact; it IS. But whether or not every developer takes advantage of that is another story.

      Now, to be sure, the devs often know what they’re talking about. But the less demanding the game, the more similar the consoles would seem. I dunno about you, but this game doesn’t strike me as being as intensive as, say, Battlefield.

      Furthermore, the quote seems to be referring to ease of development, not so much actual performance.

    • Dirkster_Dude

      I would agree the raw performance of the PS4 over XB1 probably makes some things easier and slightly better looking but the PS4 supposedly has 50% more raw performance and I don’t think we have seen that yet. So it is theoretically only 50%.

    • J.j. Barrington

      You’re not going to see a 50% difference. Law of diminishing returns. It’s the same everywhere. A car with 300hp isn’t 50% faster than one with 200hp.

      The more you try to do, the more power it takes, and not at a 1:1 ratio.

    • Dirkster_Dude

      Duh.

    • J.j. Barrington

      If “Duh,” then why ask such a stupid question to begin with? You’d need more than a 50% difference in power to see 50% gains in performance, so I’m not understanding why you and others keep asking about it.

    • DarthDiggler

      @jjbarrington:disqus

      It seems many of the most outspoken Xbox guys this generation are not the sharpest knives in the drawer if you know what I am saying.

    • J.j. Barrington

      I know what you mean. I keep my knives in a holster on my hip.

    • Dirkster_Dude

      I stated my opinion and not once actually asked a question and the 50% raw performance issue is what fanboys/fangirls seem to bring up as a “PS4 is so much better” argument. It is old and tired and I certainly don’t care about such arguments. To support such stupidity they like to say developers, programmers, artists and other people actually making money in the industry and making the games know less than they do and that is what my comment was all about. I thought that was obvious though. Of course it was a little rough of a response for comment to me so I apologize if I was offensive.

    • J.j. Barrington

      “the PS4 supposedly has 50% more raw performance and I don’t think we have seen that yet.”

      Whether you phrased it as such or not is irrelevant. You questioned the difference in power by using the word “supposed” and then implying that it hasn’t been seen. The truth is that we HAVE seen the 50% more raw performance: it’s shown up in consistently higher/more stable framerates, consistently higher resolutions, and consistently better graphical effects in the form of lighting and such.

      It would actually be pretty bad if developers made the performance better elsewhere, such as with AI performance or included features. So they focus on those things so that Xbox fans like yourself don’t get left out on the gameplay front; however, concessions have to be made somewhere.

      Seriously, though, just deal with it already.

    • Dirkster_Dude

      Never said that you and you thinking it doesn’t make it so. Why don’t you seriously just deal with that already?

    • DarthDiggler

      @jjbarrington:disqus

      Just like if you want your music to be twice as loud you need an amp approximately 10x the power.

    • J.j. Barrington

      That can’t be right. It should be ten times as loud, right???

    • DarthDiggler

      @dirkradke:disqus

      :I would agree the raw performance of the PS4 over XB1 probably makes some things easier and slightly better looking

      You don’t need to agree, these are easily observable facts at this point. It’s not really up for debate. Pretty much any multiplatform game is going to run better on PS4 over XB1. Not trying to be a fan boy I am trying to be accurate. πŸ™‚

      the PS4 supposedly has 50% more raw performance and I don’t think we have seen that yet. So it is theoretically only 50%.

      According to WHOM? Who said PS4 is 50% more powerful? Sure the base specifications may suggest that.

      Many 3rd party titles that run at 1080p on PS4 will generally run at 900p on XB1. Do the math…

      1080p = 1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
      900p = 1600 x 900 = 1,440,000 pixels

      633,600 or about 31% pixels missing on Xbox One

      People saying they don’t see the difference aren’t playing games on a large HD TV.

    • Dirkster_Dude

      I sit 2 feet away from a 46 inch, 1080p, 120hz, HDTV and I don’t notice the difference. Most likely because I don’t look for it and just enjoy the game for the pleasure it gives me.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Sounds like you’ve got vision issues.

    • Dirkster_Dude

      Nope.

    • J.j. Barrington

      If you can’t see the clearer image, you either have vision issues, or you’re lying.

    • Dirkster_Dude

      Maybe you’re imagining it or you’re stupid.

    • J.j. Barrington

      That makes perfect sense. You’re pushing a fanboy agenda, but I’m imagining an obvious graphical difference.

    • Dirkster_Dude

      I’m glad it makes sense to at least 1 person.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Just stop

    • Dirkster_Dude

      You stop first and I will follow since I never started anything or called you a fanboy or tried to intentionally insult you.

  • Zarbor

    At this point its only idiots are still discussing differences between the two consoles. If you own both its been obvious except for the fanboys. Get a life people. In this industry it will always be about the games…no matter the ranting idiots on social media and beyond.

  • Gamez Rule

    In My Opinion PS4 just offers more to the gamers when compared to Xbone.


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