PS4 And Xbox One GPU Performance Parameters Detailed, GDDR5 vs DRAM Benchmark Numbers Revealed

Furthermore, the Xbox One is already possibly using an API which is uses the same commands as DX12.

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DICE were present at the recently concluded GDC event where the company’s Graham Wihlidal spoke about how developers can process triangles and geometry within games efficiently thereby improving performance. The presentation is mostly focused on culling, a process wherein objects of any kind such as triangles and pixels are not part of the final image. In short, a good culling process can improve performance, specially on the PS4 and Xbox One whose CPUs are already quite outdated compared to current tech. This is especially true if culling is carried out totally on the CPU although GPU assisted processes are available.

In addition to improving the culling process on current gen consoles, DICE also revealed some interesting new information about the PS4 and Xbox One along with details that are already known. It’s fairly well known at this point that the PS4 and Xbox One have similar CPU clock speed (though it’s slightly better on the Xbox One). Furthermore, we also know that the PS4 GPU has 18 compute units compared to 12 on the Xbox One which results into better ALU operations per cycle on Sony’s machine. However we were unaware of how many ALU cycles are required by each of them so that a triangle can be rendered by each GPU.

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According to DICE the number of ALU cycles required by Xbox One GPU to render a triangle is 768 ALU ops/cycle and the PS4 is 1017. The PS4 also takes the lead as far as instructions that can be processed at a time goes. The Xbox One has a limit of 368 instructions at a time and the PS4 with 508. The slides then mention a number of methods of culling that be used to improve performance. However there were a couple of things that caught our eye.

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The slide above clearly shows off the advantage of having a faster GDDR5 memory on the PS4 (with and without tessellation). The cull time and the actual draw time are quite faster on the PS4. It must be noted that the test case here includes rendering 443,429 triangles at a full HD resolution of 1080p.

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Furthermore it was also revealed that Xbox One supports ExecuteIndirect a chain command from DX12 which we have talked about before. This ensures that a single batch is required for rendering which further improves performance. This also means that the API of Xbox One is already pretty close to DX12 and it’s most likely that both are now sharing similar libraries. Another interesting revelation is the custom command processor of the Xbox One with micro-code support. Generally speaking, micro-codes are used to update the processor’s BIOS or even introduce stability and security updates along with possible performance improvements. Whether it’s something that Microsoft is already using or plans to use it in the future is unknown at this point.

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  • Charles – The Great and Powerf

    So with all the technical expertise out there, you are till comparing apples to oranges. Operational RAM to Graphics RAM. Xbox One HAS DEDICATED GRAPHICS RAM. PS4 doesn’t. If a moron developer is not using the dedicated graphics ram, its their fault they can’t get resolution quality in their games or the tiny draws. Wake up and be experts not morons.

    • Psionicinversion

      what dedicated graphics ram is that?? GDDR5 is dedicated ram… The G stands for Graphics for a start

    • Generalkidd

      He might be referring to the ESRAM the Xbox One has that’s supposed to compensate for the slower DDR3 RAM.

    • Psionicinversion

      yeah i figured as much but 32MB… not enough

    • Loktai

      Better than nothing. The weaker gpu is probably the bigger bottleneck than the 32mb of esram.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Better than nothing doesn’t mean good enough.

    • Loktai

      True. Though if it didn’t have it, it wouldn’t even run the same games even at the lower resolution it does now.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Also true.

    • d0x360

      And the gddr5 causes a cpu bottleneck on the ps4 who gives a crap? Games are being designed to not push the cpu of either console too hard because of it. Ubi tried with unity and suddenly that gpu advantage vanished and the Xbox one ran smoother and had less bugs all because the ram allowed the cpu to run draw calls more efficiently And handle more AI routines at the same time along with the physics.

      As for that 32mb esram no its not being used by 3rd parties. Ever wonder why a game like forza can run 1080p 60fps with high end physics running at 300hz without issue? Its because they are using the esram properly and not being idiots and using it as a frame buffer.

      You know it’s being used to hold the frame buffer when the game is running at 900p which takes up what? Wait for it…. 32mb!

    • Psionicinversion

      more insightful than me. nice read. One thing is games and game engines are slowly coming around to start running more things like particle effects physics etc off the GPU, like cryengine 5 its modified its stuff to run off the gpu because those weak cpus in consoles just cant take it.

      In the case of unity it seemed like it was CPU bound because ps4 and x1 has basically the same cpu x1 was clocked a bit faster it was nothing. You should go look at cpu performance comparisons for Unity. The difference was abosuletly insane, i think the difference between an amd 8350 to a intel 5960x was an extra 60fps. They do this by keeping the ram and graphics card the same all they do is bench different cpus

    • Loktai

      The ps4 is not cpu bottlenecked by gddr5, unity was programmed like garbage and ran like molasses on PC also… a few patches later it ran great on PS4. You know the APU does physics on the GPU right?

    • Psionicinversion

      the cpu is bottlenecked that why it has about 256MB ddr3 on board for essential OS tasks. If CPU’s didnt bottleneck on GDDR5 PC’s would of used it ages ago

    • Loktai

      False. Pcs don’t use it as main system memory not because it would bottleneck the cpu, but because it’s specialized for graphics and is more expensive. That’s why you would find cheaper ddr3 memory on budget graphics cards. Pcs don’t need to install it on the system board because graphics cards have their own memory. The extra memory in the ps4 is for use by the streaming hardware used to constantly record video as a buffer so it can do that autonomously of the main cpu and memory, those are the “os functions” it is part of for the most part. . And they used that kind of memory for that task not because gddr3 wouldn’t work but because it’s more expensive and you wouldn’t use it for that. Xbone on the other hand sees a huge bottleneck from using ddr3 for vram, and must use esram to help it out. .. which leads to another type of bottleneck that takes specific tricks to work around.

    • Psionicinversion

      BS, PC’s dont use GDDR ram for there main system memory because CPU’s are extremely sensitive to latency, gpus arent, GDDR3 was last used a long time ago you forget GDDR5 is a modified DDR3 specially for graphcs cards so GDDR3 is basically a modified DDR1 or 2.

      Xbox sees a bottleneck with ddr3 and esram because take QB it does a crap ton of stuff with volumetrics and everything but the main thing is 4x MSAA it takes a ton of GPU power and bandwidth so instead of remedy compromising effects to hit 900p or 1080p they decided go a different route and construct a 1080p frame out of 4x 720p frames. well have to see but that could construct a better quality frame than simply upscaling it

    • J.j. Barrington

      Pretty certain it was said long ago that GDDR of all sorts was more for graphics, and so it wasn’t the ideal for the typical PC, which is why it isn’t used(and it is/was expensive, which is why it was a bit of a gamble for Sony with the PS4).

    • Guest

      No, AMD themselves recommended GDDR5 for their APUs to get maximum performance out of them. MS only used DDR3 RAM because it was a heck of a lot cheaper than 8GBs of GDDR5 RAM at the time and used the pathetically small ESRAM to make up for the bandwidth deficiency of the DDR3 RAM. The 256MB of DDR3 RAM on the PS4 is for it secondary ARM processor that they use to control the background processing/downloading/networking, HDD and BD drive. MS was just going to settle on less originally with just a 1.6GHz CPU but then up it a minuscule 150Mhz to 1.75GHz in order to compete with the PS4 since it was already known then that the PS4 was destroying it on performance. Remember, people already knew that CODGhost, DR3 and BF4 were only 720p, and that Ryse was downgraded from 1080p 150K per character polygons to just 900p with only 85K polygon characters and Ryse and DR3 sill dropped into the teens! So MS was desperate to make their system look better so upped their clocks to try and fool people into thinking that it was better than it was going to be. Even Forza 5 was downgraded from what they originally showed.

    • d0x360

      Yes it is. End of story. How do I know? I know plenty of people who make games that don’t use garbage engines like unity. We do this thing called talking. We talk about the challenges of this and that.

      Believe me don’t believe me I really don’t care.

    • Loktai

      Thanks I prefer not to care what you say about games development when I can see basically every pro development studio is getting better results on ps4. And I wasn’t talking about the unity engine specifically, but you can keep thinking what you want… you don’t seem to care if what you believe is actually true, you just say it and disown it.

    • Mirimon

      Er… lol, liar

    • d0x360

      Sorry but no.

    • Mirimon

      You know not a single developer, nor apparently anything about developmemt. Trying to gain favor with empty lies that wouldn’t lend any credence to your posts anyways… so fake.

      Gtfoh

    • d0x360

      Interesting theory. I guess all those people I met working for Sega testing Sega net weren’t developers and if they were surely they all left the industry and now work on farms.

    • Mirimon

      Haha, you don’t even know what sega is, stop trying to wikipedia a fake life together.

    • d0x360

      You think I needed to look at Wikipedia to know what Sega is? Tell me. Does the Dreamcast wiki mention key disks? I bet it doesnt.

      Wanna know what a key disk is? Its what turns a retail Dreamcast into a debug unit for testing.

      How bout this cause I’m a nice guy. Tomorrow I will see if I can find my Dreamcast beta for unreal tournament and quake 3. I’ll also post a picture of the gift I got from Phil spencer for valentine’s day to imgur and link them here.

      Now you tell me how would you like me to prove that the images are original and I didn’t just download them?

      I’m 100% serious. I might also still have my original Xbox debug test console which I can also post and again all I need from you is a way to verify its a real image. Perhaps I can stick my middle finger in the photo…. Choice is yours but if you’re so adamant about proof I will provide it.

      Then I will accept your very humble apology.

    • Mirimon

      Haha, all that effort for such a sad story.

    • Guest

      Keep making stuff up to make yourself feel better. You obviously salty, bitter, and hurt fanboy. Forza 6 runs at 1080p/60fps because it looks like a remade last gen game. It literally just looks like a higher res version of the 360 game. Ridge Racer on PS3 also runs ar 1080p/60fps. And the physics on Forza are complete and utter crap and feel as unrealistic as you can get. And the game controls like crap and is SO, SO BORING to play.
      And why would a developer want to waste their time figuring out which parts of its code to fit into that tiny, minuscule 32MB of ESRAM, when the its ultimate to small anyways. You could not fit a deferred rendered 1080p image in that tiny space.

    • d0x360

      I’ll still post your address on every site you have ever pissed someone off. Nobody cares about your fanboy nonsense. Add something productive or leave.

    • Guest

      As soon as you add something production, you fanboy clown. And not a bunch of made of nonsense. So gtfo of here with that bs. And go ahead post “my address”, you lying bluffing buffoon.

    • d0x360

      Your the best man. Why do you post as guest? Was it all the bans or are you legit afraid

    • Guest

      Nope, never got a ban yet, Jack. But keep showing just how delusional you are. Good job!

    • d0x360

      If you say so ghetto boy.

    • Guest

      Whatever white honky racist boy. Btw, Im white. And speaking of ghetto, the X1 is “ghetto” hence why nobody wants it except losers like you.

    • d0x360

      Your ghetto because of where you live no the color of your skin you god damn racist. As for my xbox one it sits next to my ps4 which sits next to my $3k pc. Which sits next to my 70inch TV which sits above my 2000 watt denon atmos receiver.

      Fanboy

    • Guest

      And you’re ghetto because of how you think, you pathetic, on MS nuts, racist fanboy white boy, you make me ashamed to be white. And my X1 sits next to my PS4 and I could easily afford what I want so I don’t know why you think you are impressing anyone with that stupid nonsense. But that’s what insecure people. Is spew the phony nonsense you just did. I see you are very insecure. But I would be too if I was a fanboy of a losing team.

    • XanderZane41

      Clueless troll confirmed.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Are you confirming this in reference to yourself?

    • Knowles2

      It not being use by third parties for the simple reason it not worth their time with such a small installed base under half the size when compared to PS4 and PC. Which is why Microsoft is leaning on it PC dominance to try and improve Xbox position.

    • Guest

      The eSRAM isn’t being used all the time because its just not worth the effort for the minuscule gains. Especially on a floundering system as the XO.

    • d0x360

      Really? Can hold alot of physics data in 32mb of very fast memory… Just saying.

    • Psionicinversion

      no it isnt actually. There are certain things that need alot of bandwidth. anisotropic filtering is one and in the case of QB 4x MSAA, that requires GPU power and bandwidth. if x1 used GDDR5 youd probably get it to 900p.

      sure the GPU is pretty weak in general but your also bandwidth limited not only by speed but the data width i think with DDR3, the esram is like a band aid it helps but can live or die by it

    • Guest

      Nope the tiny size of it as just as much an issue.

    • Loktai

      It works, me wouldn’t hurt but 32mb as cache isn’t that small an amount.

    • Psionicinversion

      it is yeah, that literally cannot hold a 1080p frame buffer

    • Guest

      It is for a 1080p deferred renderer. Hence why so many X1 games are 900p or less.

    • Roger Larsson

      And the weaker GPU is a result of adding the 32MB ESRAM
      – can’t fit both on chip (already bigger than PS4s SOC)…

    • such.wow
    • Loktai

      They ar both unified. Xbox uses ddr3 which is miserable for graphics, ps4 uses gddr5 which is specialized for graphics , xbox has a small amount of esram used as burst cache to attempt to help, which it does but not enough to bridge the gap.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Who agreed with you?

    • Guest

      Oh you mean the pathetically small ESRAM that’s done nothing but hampered the system? You’re just another clueless salty, bitter fanboy, who cant except the truth. Go play your 720p QB and shut up the only moron here is you.

    • Cenk Algu

      QB is not 720p my clueless friend.Beside the resolution it is the best looking game to date.What about your U4 at 900p with U3 visuals?

    • Mirimon

      Lol, but it IS 720p.. no matter how you want to call it, when you count it out its 720p. Worse still, reduced effects and poor performance. Tearing, juddering, sigh….

    • Guest

      QB most cerianly is 720p my ignorant friend. And U4’s MP moe smokes QB and runs at 60fps which is a heck of a lot more processing than 720p/dropping teary 30fps. QB has Alan wake 360 visuals, my stupid , stupid friend..

    • Cenk Algu

      Ohhj Jesus pop up and give some eyes for this guy please!

    • Russ Palk

      You are wrong. The Xbox One does not have dedicated ram. It shares the 8 gigs DDR3 ram which in todays standards is slow for a gpu. All gpu’s today use DDR5

    • mechlord

      You do realize that youre basically saying all devs are morons at this point right?

    • Mirimon

      Lol… said the moron in his dream…..

    • Guest

      Oh you mean, X1’s pathetic 50GB/s DDR3 RAM vs PS4’s 176GB GDDR5 RAM? Ok, that’s why the X1 can barely even do 1080p. 720p QB anyone? Or how about 1152×810 Halo 5, and that’s their flagship title.

  • Fweds

    Who really cares, the Xbox One and PS4 were dated at the end of year one it’s as simple as that and the fanboys do nothing but complain about whichever console they don’t own, they care more about arguing about this sort of old tosh than gaming.

    • J.j. Barrington

      That’s the nature of technology: everything is outdated by the time it reaches shelves.

      That doesn’t really invalidate the debate between the two consoles, though.

    • Emily Brandow

      When I looked at the draft of 6568 dollars, I have faith that brother of my friend was like really generating cash in his free time with his PC..jzp His aunt’s neighbor has done this for only 11 months and by now repaid the loan on their home and bought a new Car.

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    • Clint Hoffman

      Not sure how to interpret that. lol
      Everything we buy is outdated. phones, tablets, consoles, computers…

      As for anyone commenting about other consoles…..most of us comment because there are so many people in denial about the items they own they feel the need to come up with insane statements and ‘in the cloud’ pipe dreams about how they will suddenly get ‘more performance’ out of the item they paid for. Much like Apple users justify not needing a bigger screen or larger battery or higher resolution screen…Until Apple ‘invents’ it then suddenly its available and everything else never existed before that. LOL

    • Fweds

      Yer fixed it I got the wrong name, lol

  • Clint Hoffman

    Another set of actual technical information that displays how much extra work Dev’s must put in to work with the Xbox ones inferior hardware to make it almost comparable to the more powerful ps4. Lol. Hope they do make a ps4K. I would but it. Makes Microsoft and all their marketing spins look like that much more bullshit.

    • Loktai

      The ps4k will scale to 4k tv the way all graphics currently scale to 1080 even if rendered at 720 or 900p, it will reduce input lag and make the image smoother on 4k tvs, as well as support 4kfor video, netflix,bluray etc. It wont be rendering the game differently . No benefits on a 1080p tv. _. Well may run quieter due to a die shrink on the apu .

  • Demetrius Radford

    But the ESRam is sram and the ddr3 is SDram so they must be talking about ddr3

  • MONKEY.D LUFFY

    hmmm spare me this BC & release ps5 🙂

  • JC

    It truly has been a woeful generation on paper at least. Neither MS nor Sony deserve any praise for the consoles they rolled out to the public.

    • J.j. Barrington

      And why not?

    • Mirimon

      He has a point, though really blame msft, sony wasn’t going to launch yet but msft bluffed about a new console si sony had to call it with the cards they had in hand or lose another year sales advantage (not that it helped the xb360 in the end, all it did was fracture development.)

    • J.j. Barrington

      I’m not seeing his point in what you’ve said.

    • Mirimon

      basically, both companies could have come out with a more future proofed, modern console. Things like sata 3 connections, hybrid-larger storage, HDMI 2.0 or so, and of course, the internals such as the whole cpu/gpu/apu abcdefgu….

    • J.j. Barrington

      Basically, you want $700 consoles.

      At least until you get them. Then you want $400 consoles.

    • Mirimon

      Well, realistically this is one of thw cheapest generations of consoles when accounting for inflation. Its pretty close to what 7th gen would have cost in this time. Both companies did something unusual, selling hardware for profit.

    • J.j. Barrington

      That may be true, but it doesn’t change that all the people clamoring for these additions that would have driven up the price of these consoles would be complaining about them being too expensive.

    • Mirimon

      Lol, don’t mix me in with them, I don’t suffer the entitlement these other kids do. I would never expect a good console this day under 400, and I would be ok with 1k were it top end.

  • GinoY

    Both consoles are weak. Forza is 1080p 60fps…driveclub cant maintain 30fps. Halo 5 60fps locked, Gears 4 1080p 60fps MP…uncharted 4 MP is 900p and isnt locked at 60fps. Ps4 has 0 current Gen games at 1080p locked 60fps. Obviously there are new consoles or upgrades coming…this Gen seems to have been a stop gap. MS has back compat figured out and I love their exclusives so I am in for the upgrade or Xbox 2.

    • J.j. Barrington

      So much fail in your comment..

    • GinoY

      Ask me if i care what u think.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Not a matter of what I think- though, if your comments are representative of what you think, then what I think is just as valid- but rather a matter of reality.

    • GinoY

      Hmmm those are facts son…you just don’t like to hear them.

    • Sgt. ThroatPunch

      My 980ti is smirking at the both of you. I told her its rude, but she has no soul.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Don’t care. Not relevant. Have fun.

    • textomatic

      Your 980ti also cost at least $600 and that’s not counting the rest of the computer so yeah, I hope it’s way better considering it’s twice as much as a console.

    • GinoY

      Indeed

    • Scooby Doo

      980ti is junk now.

    • FreeRyu

      Are you joking or serious? I was planning on getting one.

    • Scooby Doo

      Well I’m not 100% sure, but wasn’t it released nearly 1 year ago? Also Titan X SLI 12gb GDDR eclipses a 980ti. But better newer stuff should be released any time now.

    • Scooby Doo

      *GDDR5

    • Scooby Doo

      I just remembered what is releasing soon. Pascal. So I would hang in there a Lil longer and get that.

    • cosmicrays

      I would wait to, until the next gen cards come out. You could either get a newer gen card, or but the 980ti used and save some money. But thats what I would do, so its up to you.

    • J.j. Barrington

      “Both consoles are weak.”

      Not a fact, as it’s a relative phrase. They may be weak compared to the most powerful gaming PCs you can make, but they’re in line with the usual growth of consoles, which means they’re not weak in their own category.

      “Forza is 1080p 60fps…driveclub cant maintain 30fps.”

      Not a fact, as DriveClub actually DOES maintain a stable 30fps, and does so while being more graphically impressive than any Forza has ever been.

      “Halo 5 60fps locked, Gears 4 1080p 60fps MP…uncharted 4 MP is 900p and isnt locked at 60fps.”

      Neither Gears nor UC4 is out yet. You’re bragging about the performance of betas. And Halo’s 60fps, but what about the framerate you’ve been touting up until then? What about the rather extreme pop-in during the game’s singleplayer?

      “Ps4 has 0 current Gen games at 1080p locked 60fps.”

      Not at all true, and you know it. Not gonna bother typing up a whole list, but that one is a flat-out lie.

      “Obviously there are new consoles or upgrades coming…this Gen seems to have been a stop gap.”

      Not a fact in the slightest, and supported by not a damn thing other than your own… ignorance? I dunno, that seems like giving you too much credit at this point.

    • GinoY

      Awwe sheepy mad. He humping that ps4 real good now. And I disagree on all. You care to much little humper….its a plastic game console being replaced because it blows.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Sheepy? Humper? That’s the best you can do? You sound like another pathetic troll I’ve made look stupid.

      Who gives a damn whether or not you disagree? We’re talking facts, you moron. Well, I’M talking facts. You just made some stuff up and claimed it to be factual.

    • Mirimon

      How childish and droll.

    • Mirimon

      Do you know what”facts” are? I haven’t seen you post a single one.

    • Loktai

      Drive club not only maintains 30, it looks considerably better than anything on xbone. What do you call a current Gen game by the way? Ps4 is more powerful please stop this mental gymnastics bullshit. Sorry you are so I love with your plastic box you’ll defy reality to defend it.

    • FreeRyu

      “Drive club not only maintains 30, it looks considerably better than anything on xbone” I mean it runs at 30fps lol what do you expect? A game can look really good if its not 60fps. M$ is trying to do a lot of 60fps, not a mandatory 1080p.

    • Loktai

      Driveclub plays very smoothly, very very smoothly. Trust me when I tell you, you can take a game like forza 5 running at 60 and copare it to driveclub…what you notice is not the frame rate difference but how flat and pathetic forza looks. Yes I know other for a games look better than 5, but since we are talking about trading off graphics for 60fps, forza 5 is a great example of a bad trade.

    • FreeRyu

      Yeah no doubt it runs smoothly, I won’t deny that. A 30fps game should run smooth. Not only do people prefer 60fps but they wouldn’t care how Forza 5 looked compared to Driveclub. Forza 5 apparently is the better game. That’s what it comes down to in the end, gameplay. Never played Driveclub but I never see someone say Driveclub is better. As an arcade-ish style racer I hear Horizon it better too.

    • Loktai

      Graphically forza was considered pretty inferior. Your argument is like saying SNES is better graphically or technologically because people like chrono trigger.

    • FreeRyu

      I’m not saying Forza looks better I’m saying it looks the way it does because its 60fps.

    • Madcatgamer

      I wonder you realize the fact that it doesn’t matter if GRAPHICALLY wise it looks worse than Drive Club. What you’re missing is the fact that Forza PLAY’S better. That’s what matters in this case. Unless of course all you need for a game to be fun to play is better graphics in which case your world is severely limited in a really big way. Also, you compared Forza 5 to Drive club but what about Forza motorsport 6? Honestly you really shouldn’t talk when it just makes you look like you have no idea what you’re talking about and enjoy people laughing at your comments behind the screen.

    • Cenk Algu

      Forza looks pathetic? Either you are trolling or you are blind.DC is looking good only in rainy weather.When the sun comes out it nearly looks like a PS3 game.Sorry but facts hurt!

    • Guest

      “Sorry but facts hurt!”
      Yes, so accept the fact that Forza looks pathetic and is only 1080/60fps because it looks like crap and doesn’t look good rain or shine (actually it looks even worst while raining), looks like a last gen game. Sorry but the truth hurts.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Facts are, regardless of the weather, DriveClub is the best looking racer to date.

    • J.j. Barrington

      So why doesn’t anything else at 30fps look as good?

    • Truth™ PSVR 960×1080®

      Why does it look like garbage?

    • J.j. Barrington

      Aww, if it isn’t the little try-hard.

    • Matt

      You’re preaching to a dense crowd… they don’t know what to look for. Your posts are actual screen grabs so the aliasing is in full effect. People like to show off their in-game screen caps which take a full 2 seconds to process so the engine can add anti-aliasing to the image. Halo 3 did that almost 10 years ago.

    • FreeRyu

      Like racing games?

    • J.j. Barrington

      And which of them looks as good as DriveClub?

    • FreeRyu

      Which PS4 driving game runs at 60fps?

    • J.j. Barrington

      Since when does 60fps alone determine whether or not a game looks good?

    • Mirimon

      Lol, with games hitting 18, and even 0 fps those xb1 titles should look better than reality using that poor logic…

      But they don’t.. not only do they look and perform worse dispite sacrificing graphics, resolution, frame rates and effects, there isn’t anything significant that sets their library apart…no lure, no incentive.

    • FreeRyu

      Xbox One exclusives at 60fps don’t drop tho lol.

    • Mirimon

      yeah, h5 not by much (thanks to visual sacrifices) by no more than 10 frames, forza 6 I can only get dropped by 4 frames, then again it too ignores visuals on everything but the car itself. QB has drastic frame drop (WiP)… These really shouldn’t have any, being made expressly for the system, and most frame drops will be seen on multi-platform titles where the weaknesses of the hardware are revealed.

    • FreeRyu

      Yeah that proves my point tho lol. QB isn’t an exclusive or a 60fps X1 title. Can you show me a video where Halo 5 drops more than 5 frames? I never noticed it when playing.

    • Mirimon

      Got to play it on harder difficult I es, its the number of mobs and their wxplosives that bog it. Wont get bogged fighting 3 pissants.

    • Guest

      60fps with last gen looking graphics, good job,….NOT! A mandatory 60fps.

    • FreeRyu

      1080p with last gen FPS isn’t impressive either.

    • XanderZane41

      I smell a hypocrite. You must sleep with your PS4 at night. lol!!

    • Loktai

      That’s like if someone says the USA has a bigger population than Japan and you say. lol USA FANBOY. You must be pretty desperate to justify yourself.

    • J.j. Barrington

      That was a pathetic retort.

    • Truth™ PSVR 960×1080®

      LMAO Drivecuck

    • andy

      Do you always have to post images that counter your argument moron lol? Thought that was real life for a second. ^_^

    • Truth™ PSVR 960×1080®
    • XPERIA

      The PeeWee port beggar strikes back again I see.
      Have you taken a shower yet? You know it’s good for you to get out of your basement once in a while. Idiot!

    • Guest

      LMAO Forcrap
      And both of their flagship titles are 720p
      720p Quantum Break and
      1152×810=720p Halo 5

    • Truth™ PSVR 960×1080®
    • Truth™ PSVR 960×1080®

      PS. Implying I care about a dead console like xbone. Or a dead console like PS4 now Sony made it obsolete. LOL

    • GinoY

      Nope…driveclub blows sheeptroll. Thats why its has a metacriric of 71 and forza 6 has an 88.

    • FreeRyu

      Reviews don’t matter tbh. Pointing out other peoples opinion about a game doesn’t mean the game is better in any way. Halo 5 got a 84 but I still think its the best shooter this gen.

    • Mirimon

      I agree, reviews and opinions don’t matter. I disagree with ryu for example on halo 5, imo one of the worst halo in the franchise, including the tablet crap, and I don’t think it was reviewed under the same metrics as any other title, which is shown by user reviews.

      Still, thos are our feelings on it, and matters not.

    • tcnitsni

      Driveclub is a FAR superior game. It had low reviews because it had a bad launch where multiplayer did not work for some people the first week. Several points were taken off for that, but it’s been fixed for a long time and improved in major ways.

    • Guest

      Yeah, I own both and Driveclubs blows Forza 6 away in my opinion. I find Forza to be incredibly boring and bland and seriously regret buying it. I felt into the hype,

    • Mirimon

      Weird.. if forza 6 was so great, why did more people buy driveclub?

      Surely if forza 6 was so great it would have had more sales right?

    • Guest

      Nope, Boreza blows sheeptroll,…. yawn! That’s why is dodnt sell at all! And metacritics is a fanboys farce!

    • textomatic

      PS4 is more powerful. But PS4 does not have Halo, Forza, Gears, Quantum Break, Killer Instinct, and Crackdown to name a few. And some of us want to play those games so chose your console of choice based on what you want to play. Enjoy your PS4.

    • J.j. Barrington

      That’s kinda beside the point, though.

      Yes, the consoles suit different people’s tastes, but that’s not what’s at debate here.

      GinoY is trying to make a point about the hardware by using lies. He’s doing so because he’s a fanboy of Xbox. It’s not an issue of the games people prefer, in this case.

    • Mirimon

      Neither does xbox…

      Halo sucked, forza is 1080p cars pasted into poll position, gears is bad, qb is barely more than 720p and suffers screen yearing judder and frame rates half the cap of 30…, ki?? Lol, ki, a partial game from snes being sold to you piece meal and mot even good at that; crackhead down is soo great, its not even out yet (that’s ok, atm it has the frame rate of a slide show and the resolution of a rubix cube…

      If any of that were worth anything, the console would have a larger share of the market and the xbl population would not still be as low as at was during the peak of the 360….

      To top it all off, nearly all of those bad games can be played on any entry level pc, even a surface pro 4 can run them… by all means, do play those games, but they justify nothing here.

    • textomatic

      Cause your taste in games is the gospel… Halo 5 is amazing and arguably the best multiplayer FPS game on the market for gamers that want an intense, skill-driven shooter. Forza is the best simulation racer on the market and PC players are going to be able to play it soon so they no longer have to play that crappy Project Cars. KI is a complete game unlike that unfinished SFV and it’s not my thing but it does have a hard core community. I’m hearing great things about QB and it’s absolutely zero P’s and zero FPS on PS4. And last, you’re a troll.

    • Mirimon

      not an issue of taste, they literally suck, especially considering what we have already had in the franchise, these are all lowpoints in the IP’s

      and stop… h5 is not “amazing” nor anything close to the best….if that were remotely true people would be flocking to the xbox one, to it, and they aren’t.
      forza is trash, pc gamers know it and won’t be bothering with streaming from a xb1 in lower visuals… project cars has forza by the throat.

      KI is not complete, never was.. you seem to like being milked…

      in the end your biggest issue is your vapid fanaticism….and of course to you I am a troll, nothing a fanatic hates more than things like logic, facts, evidence, etc….

    • textomatic

      H5 is amazing, Forza is amazing, KI is complete. Your statement has no facts just opinions just like mine. Have a nice day, troll.

    • Guest

      Instead, its got KZ, Infamous, DC, R&C, Horizons, UC, GoW, Bloodborne, MLB, Gran Turismo, TLG, SFV, Gravity Rush 1 & 2, The Tomorrow Children, LBP, Dreams, PSVR, No Man;s Sky, Alienation, Hellblade, Paragon, Shadow of the Beast, Ace Combat 7, Deep Down, KOG XIV and many, many more!

    • textomatic

      Of all the games you listed only R&C and Horizon interest me. And God knows when Horizon is going to come out. And get ready for a graphical downgrade just like they did with Uncharted.

    • FreeRyu

      Gears 4 is 1080p 30fps :/

    • GinoY
    • Mirimon

      Lol, we heard that for qb also, but when the game finally launches we will see the same, barely 720p, barely 30fps, effects turned off, shortcuts and still below par.

    • Guest

      And the reason reason MS can do back compat is because its much easier to emulate the 360’s 3 core 6 thread, symmetrical CPU than it is to emulate PS3’s asynchronous, 2 thread PPU and 6 SPU threads. Which btw run far faster than anything on the 360s CPU. And the PS3 also has a Nvidia GPU which also makes it harder to emulate on a AMD GPU since its a completely different architecture. So its a much easier taks for MS to do then it would have been for Sony to do. And the X1’s emulate is even that great anyways, introducing frame drops where there were none in the original 360 game and there are even that many games yet, what is there like 175 games? compared to probably over a 1000 360 games.
      And the reason reason MS can do back compat is because its much easier to emulate the 360’s 3 core 6 thread, symmetrical CPU than it is to emulate PS3’s asynchronous, 2 thread PPU and 6 SPU threads. Which btw run far faster than anything on the 360s CPU. And the PS3 also has a Nvidia GPU which also makes it harder to emulate on a AMD GPU since its a completely different architecture. So its a much easier taks for MS to do then it would have been for Sony to do. And the X1’s emulate is even that great anyways, introducing frame drops where there were none in the original 360 game and there are even that many games yet, what is there like 175 games? compared to probably over a 1000 360 games.

    • GinoY

      Sorry fruit loop…didnt read that…say again.

    • Mike

      He is saying the Xbox 360 was weak, that’s why it’s easy for the Xbox one to emulate it. It would probably be easier for the ps4 to emulate the 360 than the ps3. Pretty sure you trying to read it would be a waste of time anyway. You don’t come across as too intelligent.

    • Guest

      That’s because you’re both dumb and ignorant and proud of it I see. Plus you cant really read. Peace moron,

    • andy

      Nice point. Xbone could always easily emulate 360 like we all thought before its announcement. Now if only they didn’t lie that it could actually do this back in May 2013, they would be in a different position today.

    • andy

      Haha that is why

    • GinoY

      71 metacriric = dudclub
      88 metacriric = forza 6

      120th of the content, cant even change out tire compound in dudclub….its laughable. Played em both forza looks better and is better.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Is better? Debatable, as that’s opinion.

      Looks better? Not debatable, and not even a fair contest.

      You know you’ve lost when you have to resort to “dudclub.” Remind me, by the way: how well has Forza done on shelves? Pretty sure it’s actually worse than DriveClub. So if that game’s a dud, what does that make Forza?

      I thought so.

    • Mirimon

      Yet, its outselling failza 6

    • Guest

      Funny, cuz DC has big time outsold dubza/boreza 5 and 6. Crap games that fanboys play up to be way better than it really is. They are the most boring and crappy playing racing games on the planet. Hence, why they don’t sell.

    • Robert

      Forza runs at 60fps and this gif is 30fps

      FAIL!

  • d0x360

    Excellent info. Where is the info showing how bad the gddr5 us for cpu bound tasks? You know things like AI, physics, Drawcalls etc

    Yes we all know the ps4 can produce better visuals. The problem is if a game is cpu bound like say assassins creed unity was a game with a massive number of draw calls and AI routines running the frame rate is better on the Xbox and the resolution has to be lowered from 1080p to 900p so it can keep up.

    Both consoles have benefits both of negatives. Why does this site only show the benefits of the ps4?

    • Greetingsfriend

      “Where is the info showing how bad the gddr5 us for cpu bound tasks?”

      Because this talk has nothing to do with that.

      “You know things like AI, physics”
      None of this has to do with the presentation.

    • d0x360

      You’re right. That was my point. Read my post. All the words. If you still don’t get it read it again.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Your point is, literally, pointless.

      It’s an article referencing a specific talk in which the things you question are not a factor. You have NO point.

    • d0x360

      Read it again….never mind don’t. I’ll just tell you.

      This site only points out things when they favor the ps4. I said above that very thing and then brought up something the Xbox is better at… Something this site will never report on.

      Why? To point out that this “unbiased” site is a Sony fanboy circle jerk.
      You have absolutely awful reading comprehension friend.

    • J.j. Barrington

      At best, gamingbolt is a hit-grabbing site that puts out articles playing favorites to both companies(Nintendo, not so much).

      Your “point” is still irrelevant. You’d have been better served citing some presentation where developers showed how the XB1’s design translates into advantages for games.

      You failed to do that, though. Instead, you brought up things that have no bearing on the article. And all because of your own bias that can’t let you process the article without getting offended that it shows what we all know: the PS4 is better designed for gaming.

    • Guest

      You’re trying to hard, something is really, really bothering you. The truth hurts I guess.

  • Abram Inglis

    ……..

  • Cenk Algu

    alot of clueless people down there.

  • Mr Xrat

    So much for DirectX 12 on Xbone, Xgimps. Go find another straw to cling to.

    • Truth™ PSVR 960×1080®

      So much for consoles, Ruggarell. Keep those meltdowns flowing now that DOA X3 is a flop as well. 🙂

    • Jason Mounce

      Where do you even get these artifact-riddled images from? lmao. Everywhere I look it’s obviously going to look fantastic, how you find the 1% of ‘The image that looks bad even though the game itself looks better than any current game on any platform so far.’

    • J.j. Barrington

      He makes them. Honestly, I can hardly be bothered to respond to him, as his comments are hardly intelligible.

    • Jason Mounce

      But how would he be able to make the smoke look 2D? xD Photoshop? Volumetric smoke looking like 2D textures is just a strange ‘achievement’ to do in a photo editor.

    • Mirimon

      Ms paint

    • XPERIA

      How’s that Batman Arkham Knight working on your PeeWee moron?
      Have you taken a shower yet? You know it’s good for you to get out of your basement once in a while, social reject!

    • xcxv

      I play wii/gc/psp games in VR on my DK2

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    • One With Shadows

      BOOM!!! HAHAHAHAHA!

    • Cenk Algu

      still this clueless ignorant.I bet you are 12 years old!

    • J.j. Barrington

      Age is irrelevant. It’s just a troll.

    • Hvd

      no games are made from the ground up for dx12 yet.just becuase there was a patch it doesnt mean it was made for dx12.all games so far are still made for dx11.do some googling and learn something.

    • Clint Hoffman

      Just because the game engines are basically a DX11 engine, that does not mean that they are not using a close to metal (aka DX12 type) API for the actual code interpretation on the end device (e.g. One or PS4).

      In this case, the ONE API in use is DX12 already. Likely an extra 5% gain by converting the last little bit over…but in essence the ONE is already as good as its going to be. Much to the chagrin of the idiot MS One users that want more performance. LOL

    • Mirimon

      This isn’t a game, it is a direct bench of performance, and shows also the difference in memory to boot. In the end, a game made from dx12 will not be what it could have been, were it stuck to the xb1. Since the console no longer has exclusives this only means the lowest bar will be set to the xb1, while the sjy could be the limit (assuming msft doesn’t give explicit instruction to soft cap titles so as to not make the xb1 look too bad.).

      While I don’t care for his fanboy war commenting style he still has a point that poor hardware choices will always lead to inferior performance no matter how much their effort.

    • Roger Larsson

      Google “Frostbite Mantle” (Battlefield 4 first ported game)
      http://www.frostbite.com/2014/03/rendering-battlefield-4-with-mantle/

      Google “Frostbite Metal”
      http://www.frostbite.com/2014/11/frostbite-tech-demo-battlefield-4-on-ios/

      This is not a initial first port to a low level API for DICE.
      There is a reason why Battlefront got to be the first DX12 game to release on XBoxOne…

      @Mirimon:disqus it does not say this is a bench, when I read it it looks like performance measurements in an actual game – Dragon Age Inquisition, as he worked with that when starting investigating this subject. (see speakers note) Dragon Age had Mantle support, they have probably ported it to DX12 support to experiment (DX12 resembles Mantle a lot)

    • Mirimon

      O see that now near the last half of his slides, it certainly looks like he took apart some DA to use for this presentation. The code is certainly cleaned up to eliminate performance variable on the software. Decent presentation I think.

    • Hvd

      like i said before its not a game built ground up with dx12.games like sw battlefront were patched not built from the ground up.

    • Fweds

      Ahhh look it’s the Sony lapdog “Revolver Ocelot” using one of his multi’s, look at his fake ghost upvotes ,even he knows his posts are just outright embarrassing that’s why he uses an UPVOTE BOT even on his OWN posts, hilarious.

    • DLConspiracy//

      Under the bridge peck.

  • The following in the article needs to be corrected: “According to DICE the number of ALU cycles *required* by Xbox One GPU to render a triangle is 768 ALU ops/cycle and the PS4 is 1017.”

    Required is the wrong word. That’s the limit of the ALU cycles on the platforms. Xbox can do 768 ALU ops per cycle per triange, PS4 can do 1017 per triangle. This limits the instructions that can be completed on the Xbox one to 384 per triange, while this is 508 on the PS4. What this means is you may need to not go over 384 instructions on the Xbox One for certain tasks or the performance would suffer as opposed to completing the task using 384 instructions, as is implied in the presentation.

  • Roger Larsson

    Guess the Base number is without Culling, just pushing triangles to GPU to render.

    What is the maximum frame frequency for Tessellated 443,429 triangles @1080p

    XBoxOne 1/19.3 ms (50% slower than PS4) = 51.8 Hz
    PS4 1/12.8 ms = 78.1 Hz
    PC 1/3.01 ms = 332.2 Hz

    So with that setup XBoxOne CAN NOT reach 60 Hz, developer will have to
    * turn of tessellation
    * reduce pixels on screen (will not help this case much)
    * reduce number of triangles to be h
    – simplifying model
    – Cull before transferring triangles to GPU!

    Note that it is XBoxOne that wins more than PS4 by this GPU culling aproach

    XBoxOne 1/11.2 ms (only 38% slower than PS4) = 89,3 Hz
    PS4 1/8.1= 123 Hz (VR 120 compatible)
    PC 1/0.64=1562 Hz (ridiculous!)

    • J.j. Barrington

      “Only” 38%?

  • The age of consoles has come & passed, the age of PC gaming has taken over.
    Gone are the cartridges for consoles where you insert it and BAM game is on. The excruciating LOADING times of consoles are their biggest bottleneck and killer. While PCs have superfast RAM and SSDs.


 

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