Serious Sam 3 Developer: ‘Gabe Newell did not overreact on Windows 8’

“I cannot even begin to stress out just how horrible this idea is! “

Posted By | On 06th, Nov. 2012 Under News | Follow This Author @GamingBoltTweet

Yesterday we had reported why Valve engineer Drew Bliss prefers Linux over Windows 8. Today we have another industry personality defending Gabe Newell’s comments about Windows 8, when he said that ‘Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space‘.

Now Alen Ladavac from CroTeam, developers of Serious Sam 3, has defended Gabe Newell’s comments (via ubuntuvibes). He believes that Gabe did not overreact when he passed on his feedback about Windows 8.

Gabe Newel did not overreact. What you don’t see here is that, under the hood, the new tiled UI is a means for Microsoft to lock Windows applications into a walled garden, much like the one on iOS. There is this “small detail” that Microsoft is not advertising anywhere, but you can find it dug deep in the developer documentation,” he posted on Steam’s forums.

He too criticized Windows 8 where no one can release an application unless they are routed through the Windows Store. He calls it a horrible idea.

“One cannot release a tiled UI application by any other means, but only through Windows Store!”

“I cannot even begin to stress out just how horrible this idea is! There is no side-loading, except for corporate use inside one company, and that works only on the enterprise edition of Windows 8. Do we all understand what that means? You cannot download an application from the Internet and run it on your computer. You have to get it from Microsoft’s store. Even if it is a free app!”

He also believes that the removal of the Start menu is way to force users to get used to the titled UI.

“Now, while in current state Windows 8 do look like they support plain desktop apps seamlessly, the removal of start menu and use of “charms” even on the desktop looks like a pretty blunt attempt to force users to “get used” to the tiled UI. It would be fine by me if it wasn’t for the aforementioned certification issue.”

What do you guys think about the developer’s stance against Windows 8? Do you guys think it will affect the future of PC gaming? Let us know your thoughts in the comments section below.

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  • How can absolutely no one see that Windows is and always, always subpar compared to everything else in every category. Phones. Music players. PCs….Gaming consoles….the list goes on and on, Microsoft just truly sucks.

    • GamerMuscle

      You missed the point of the Article , In fact your comment is not even related to the content.

      The point of the developers original comment plays on the fact that the one good thing about doss – win 7 is that it was agnostic to how it treated user installed software.

      I can see why MS want to lock down future windows especially with them wanting to integrate phones , tablets and PC’s with one OS.

      It can certainly make things more clear and user friendly , but at the same time you end up with a device that’s no longer got the appeal that desktop pc’s always had.

      In some ways if MS mess things up then more people including developers might start to move to Linux.

      It will be interesting to see how businesses/professionals react to win 8 , I shall be sticking to win 7 for a while and see what happens with win 9.

    • Jexel

      Then stop using their products, why is that hard? Stick with Linux, or MacOS, or Google. They will love you as a customer forevers!

  • Hanzolo

    Time to move to Linux guys.

  • ixo belle

    This is complete hyperbole.

    I can’t install an app from the internet? That’s funny, because I’ve done that on 8 a bunch of times already.

  • jon

    Right click, add to start menu . Why is this so hard for people to understand?

    • JP

      “the removal of start menu and use of “charms” even on the desktop looks like a pretty blunt attempt to force users to “get used” to the tiled UI. It would be fine by me if it wasn’t for the aforementioned certification issue.”

      Because hiding the start menu isn’t what this is all about?

  • Ben

    I think your all missing the point. The tiles don’t affect any thing. You live your life on the desktop still, you have your shortcuts and life is good.

    even on tablets you still have the desktop and can still happy live in that eccosphere.

    Right now this is developers not wanting to pay for “certifications” and a fear of competition or a cut being take from the windows store or not being approved.

    We can take the pitch forks out and start yelling if MS removed the desktop and the only way you ran launch an application was from the tiles which would mean you can only use the windows store.

    Please Read things properly. I’m currently using windows 8 with steam, Origin, and even running some really old games and app with no issues.

    • JcRabbit

      No, it’s *you* guys that are *still* missing the point. Windows 8 is just an interim step to what Microsoft is really planning to do: force everybody into Windows RT and dump Win32 (i.e.; the desktop, as you call it).

      All you need to do is try Microsoft’s new Surface tablet to understand Microsoft’s ‘vision’: you CANNOT run nor download desktop applications into it, it’s Metro/Windows RT apps or nothing. And you can only download Metro apps from the Windows store.

      Is it beginning to click now or not?

      This is not about developers not wanting to pay for certifications, it’s about Microsoft wanting to control every little bit of software that gets published, about deciding what gets published and what not, according to THEIR one-sided rules. It will be the end of Chrome, Firefox and anything that competes with Microsoft’s own software, or any software that pushes the envelope of what Windows can do (such as Windows customization software, for instance) because that type of software will never be ‘approved’.

      Microsoft wants to turn Windows into a closed platform, and it can only do that by killing Windows as we know it and replacing it with a new OS: Windows RT. We will *all* lose, not just developers. So wake up!

    • JP

      “So far, we know that they’ve banned mature games, like Skyrim, CoD, and Serious Sam.[*] They have forbidden modding. They could very well forbid Open Source if they want. ”
      -from the actual forum post. He’s mostly just talking about possibilities but hey are very very real in this case. No modding would seriously hurt games like The Elder Scrolls.

    • JcRabbit

      As if that wasn’t enough, you also have the other problem of centralizing everything on a single app store, as it is currently happening in the Apple app store: any updates of your favorite app would take forever to be approved. Even a simple bug fix!

    • dude123

      Okay you’re a moron. That’s the Surface RT, there’s a Surface pro coming that is a full computer with windows 8 pro running on it.

    • Sigh, I despair of idiots accusing others of being so. He wasn’t claiming the surface pro didn’t exist, he’s using the surface RT as an example of where microsoft is heading… a closed platform. Microsoft more than likely won’t be offering a “surface pro” alternative when they make their next iteration of windows.

    • Jexel

      You are making a grand assumption that Microsoft is driving everything to a single store distribution model. I have not seen one piece of documentation from Microsoft that has said that they fully intend on alienating their entire current standalone app/game developers to go down a path that would on the whole be extremely bad. Even Apple did not do that with their desktop Mac’s, and they are the king of the “iStore” concept. Good luck with your opinion though, you can always go right to Ubuntu or some other flavor of Linux and host Windows XP in an emulator when you “need” an app that runs on the dreaded Microsoft OS.

    • JcRabbit

      Jexel, it’s so obvious what Microsoft is trying to pull here that I’m having a hard time understanding why you guys can’t see it immediately.

      Look at it: no Start Menu, desktop apps now being called ‘legacy’, Aero removed, Metro UI *by default* and *no choice* about it – Microsoft is *forcing* users into WinRT.

      Microsoft trying to copy Apple’s business model, the new Surface tablet that can only run WinRT apps which you can only get from the Microsoft store…

      Surface (not Surface Pro) is Microsoft’s real vision of the future and Microsoft’s BIG experiment, and what they would have done with Windows 8 if they had thought even for a minute that they could have gotten away with it. They know the market is not ready yet, therefore the existence of a ‘Surface Pro’.

      I mean… how much more do you need to open your eyes?

      Anyway, Microsoft is betting the farm on their market share, i.e.; that pissed off developers won’t abandon them in droves and will instead switch to making WinRT apps simply because the potential market is too big *and* developers thus have no real choice. This way Microsoft’s control over Windows, including everything that gets developed for it, would be *absolute*.

      Microsoft *can*, *has*, and *will* alienate Windows developers without thinking twice about it. They couldn’t care less about how many businesses and developers this abrupt switch to a completely new OS will obliterate. That’s what makes it so evil.

      It has done this already, although on a much smaller scale, when it discontinued classic Visual Basic (the most popular high level computer language *ever*) and replaced it with an incompatible VB .NET.

      Behind that move and WinRT is the same school of thought at work inside Microsoft: Steven Sinofsky and his minions. A lot of people inside Microsoft do not agree with the direction Microsoft is currently taking, but they have no say in it at this point. All they can do is wait and secretly hope that Sinofsky and his plan of world domination (TM) end up going down in flames.

      As for those users who are mistakenly convinced WinRT is a good thing, they will be in for a huge surprise if Microsoft is allowed to get away with this. I can spell out the reasons if anyone asks.

  • ControlledHavoc

    Windows 8 is an ugly abortion of an operating system. It looks pretty and works ok on a tablet, but it should not be unified to a standard PC. The interface was MADE for tablets and phones. It was not intended for a real PC. And it shows it. After working with it for awhile I gladly scrubbed my hard drive with bleach to remove residual traces of that will likely become the new MS Bob 2012.

  • moniker

    A small caveat here…. You can make any traditional application (such as Steam, Google Chrome, etc.) into a ’tile’ on your metro screen. It just switches you over to your desktop and opens it up there. If you want your ‘app’ to use the (in my opinion, beautiful) metro-style interface, then you can pay for the certification. It’s a powerful and attractive option that developers should be OK with paying for.

    As for this being the interim step towards only Windows store ‘apps’ being used on PCs, there are anti trust laws for this. If Windows operated PCs only allowed apps that were created by developers that Microsoft approved of, the FTC would go all 1998 on Microsoft. I’m all for pushing Microsoft into allowing for a more open environment for developers to create metro-style apps because hell, I’m a consumer that likes options and competition in his marketplace. However, as things stand, I’m content. There are regulations, precedents, and regulatory bodies that should keep the monopolistic apocalypse fears as just that – fears.

    • Don’t be so naive, antitrust laws aren’t preventing any other company from making closed systems, iOS, kindle, etc. Apple have been happily rejecting apps for the appstore based solely on competition reasons.

    • Andrew Skeet

      “then you can pay for the certification. It’s a powerful and attractive option that developers should be OK with paying for.”

      You know that in order to gain certification, you have to jump through hoops. It’s not just a matter of paying for the privilege. It has already been stated that “Mature Content” will not be distributed via their store, so any product with a 17+ age restriction have automatically failed to gain said certification.

      The restrictions make it easier for MS to control what becomes popular, thus falsely dictating the direction Windows heads in.

      Do you think they will allow “Open Office” or other freeware that competes with their own products?

  • Encylo

    Uhh, the metro UI is pretty much just a full screen version of the start menu, and Windows 8 does allow any applications to be run. Metro Apps are different because they’re for both the standard and RT edition, so you can’t have them run arbitrarily, but the other applications run as normal.
    Where is this information in the article Rashid? It’s pretty easy to find out.

  • You guys are funny. Windows has always had a sucky UI.
    Not to worry, you can replace it easily with a serious UI:

  • kmi187

    Just don’t buy it and keep complaining at every chance you got. The same thing happened to vista and look at how quickly windows 7 arrived.

    • Microsoft won’t be backing out of this, despite any level of complaints. New PC’s will ship with windows 8 so they’ll always have enough market share to push their agenda. Having a closed system with an appstore so they can take a percentage of each sale is too tempting for them. Controlling which apps are approved means they can push people towards using their services, which means more advertising revenue.

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  • gautam divekar

    all the applications i use currently are working fine with windows 8. and i am able to install all the applications from net. the problem is that he has his own agenda for their own DRM.


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