Transistor Dev Defends Against Claims That PS4 Will Be Obsolete In Few Years, Targeting 1080p/60FPS

Greg Kasavin says the rapid obsolescence of consoles vs. PC hasn’t been a significant issue in the past.

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Supergiant Games is perhaps one of the more stealthy indie developers out there. After creating Bastion, there was nary a peep from the developer until their new game, Transistor, was announced. The developer went further by announcing that Transistor would be a timed console exclusive for the PS4 – and considering its indie roots, it’s obvious to see how far along it’s come.

We recently had a chance to speak to Creative Director, Greg Kasavin and get his take on whether the PlayStation 4 – as has been claimed many times over – will be obsolete compared to PCs in a couple of years.

“I’m a long-time game player who’s always enjoyed both console and PC games so I put no stock whatsoever in PC vs. console debates because I know from experience that both have their advantages. There are still some fantastic games hitting the current generation of consoles, stuff like The Last of Us, so I don’t think the rapid obsolescence of consoles vs. PC has ever been a significant issue in the past.

“From a developer perspective our stance is very simple: We want there to be a bunch of vibrant, successful gaming platforms. The competition between platforms results in better games and better value for game players.”

Kasavin also revealed that even with Transistor still in early development for the PS4, they are currently targeting the golden standard of next gen consoles. “We’re still early in PS4 development though getting the game running at 1080p at a consistently smooth 60 frames per second is our target.”

Transistor will be releasing in 2014 for PC and PS4.


  • Bozo Sapien

    Consoles have always been “obsolete” in comparison to the latest PC tech. This gen won’t be any different but, as in the past, it won’t matter.

    • DeadManV

      Shut up, stop trolling, both PC and consoles have their place in the world – i own a ps3 and a decent gaming PC, and im glad i have both of them.

    • Bozo Sapien

      I think you need to look up the definition of “trolling.” PC has always been ahead of consoles when it comes to raw technical power but it hasn’t hurt any previous generation of consoles and won’t hurt this one either.

    • guest

      I like to see any brand new $400 PC come close to the power of the $400 PS4 specs. Even the PC enthusiasts agree you will have to spend more curently on a new PC to match PS4 specs.

      That may not be the case in 2-3 years time, but I’m sure the PS4 price will come down also, the point is that consoles are aimed at the mass market and the very cheap $400 PS4 price combined with the performance it offers means that it will sell by the boatload. That is why PS3/X360 sold over 150 million combined, and so will the PS4/X1. Most games on PS4 will run 1080p/60fps, and that will be good enough for the next few years.

    • Bozo Sapien

      Maybe you missed the headline where it says “in a few years.” The PS4 and Xbox One might be able to compete with a mid-range PC right now but in a few years the tech will suffer in comparison. Console gamers don’t seem to care and neither do PC gamers.

    • guest

      If you look at The Last of Us and GTA5 on PS3 now, they look amazing and much better than launch PS3 games 7 years ago. Because console hardware is consistent, games developers can optimise code much better on console, whereas there are literally millions of different configurations of PC.

      Games like Killzone and Infamous look incredible now on PS4 as launch titles – imagine what developers will be able to do on the next gen consoles once they have fully optimised code on the hardware. Next gen console gaming will do just fine.

    • Dakan45

      They both look like running games on medium settings on pc, sooooo nope.

      ” imagine what developers will be able to do on the next gen consoles once they have fully optimised code on the hardware”

      Why you think that?

      The only reason this diffirence appears is because the developers have to learn the architecture each time. It was completle new to them. Now Ps4/xbox one are both x86 pc architecture, they already know it, arguably there will be improvements but when games on xbox one are already not running on 1080p and bf4 will have inferior graphics than pc on ps4, its obvious that you wont see a big diffirence. keep in mind now specs are more directly compared and games will be optimized for pc hardware instead of beign cheap ports. Hell in last 2 e3s nearly all games were demod on high end pcs. Last time i checked games that run on 30 fps and 720p on this gen did not magically go to 60 fps and 1080p as years passed. Infact id argue maps became smaller in order to fit in the memory. They also used other tricks.

    • tinman

      Nope, all the reports of people playing hands on with Killzone on PS4 at PAX said the game looked amazing and was the equivalent of high settings on PC, and that was from some PC gamers, so you are talking absolute bullshit.

    • Dakan45

      where did i say anything about killzone?

      I was talking about bf4 and yearh killzone shadowfall does look around high pc settings, its a 30 fps game, thats why games should be 30 fps instead of 60 fps for better graphics and 1080 native.

      You are the one who talks bullshit since you have no idea what you talking about.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdaCxtDg1qA

    • Alex Mendez

      You’re arguing in a comment section about why the PC gaming experience trumps what you would see from Next-Gen consoles.

      Take a step back and think about that for a moment.

      A majority of gamers will buy a PS4 or an Xbox One regardless because the PC architecture confuses people. To you it’s simple because you study it but to the common gamer they aren’t going to know how to build a capable PC at a manageable price.

      Consoles are meant for ease of use. Not overwhelming the consumer with terms they don’t care about nor understand. Now I know what a PC elitist will say:

      “Why can’t they just learn?!”

      Well I hate to break it to you but not everyone wants to take the time to learn the ins and outs of a PC.

      They simply want to game.

      So stop being a keyboard warrior and just game.

    • Dakan45

      No i am arguing that the next gen consoles are weak. x360 and ps3 were quite powerfull and look where that got us, crysis beating consoles in 2007 and most graphical impressive games running on low settings on consoles at this day and era.

      Next gen should be about having alot of power potential.

      But devs already hit bumps now and dont settle for 30 fps in order to provide better graphics, it is a familiar architecture, they dont have to learn it to optimize their games, now next gen games will be optimized for pc unlike current gen multiplats. On top of that next gen has to last for 10 years according tos sony and ms.

      Put all that together along with the specs and you got consoles are sadly weak. Its the only way to be affordable though.

      I would argue making consoles a bit more expensive and lasting only for 5 years and aiming at 30 fps would have been much betters.

      “because the PC architecture confuses people.”

      What you mean by that? Xbox one and ps4 HAVE pc architecture.

      “common gamer they aren’t going to know how to build a capable PC at a manageable price.”

      Then the common gamer might wanna hear me out instead of closing their ears and go NO NO NO NEXT GEN IS SUPER POWERFULL ,NO N YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

      How about stop listening to the hype and hoping they will get a super powerfull system and reallize thye are buying a affordable mainstream device? But hey anyone who wants to live in denial is not worthy of my respect and neither are you.

      Keep believing that pcs cost 2000$, keep believing that consoles provide better graphics, keep believing the trash sony tells you that the ps4 can destroy everything, just like they did last time with the power of da core bullshit and ps2 being capable of building bombs of mass destruction.

      Consoletards never change.

    • WingsOfChicken

      We spend more on a PC which is fine but we can also upgrade it’s parts unlike the console. I am split 50/50 from PS4 to PC so I take no side. However, a PC can do far a lot more than you can do on a console and that’s where the price comes from. The console just allows you to play games at high resolution over a 10 year minimum period without upgrading parts (because you can’t). Both are worth their prices.

    • Dakan45

      WHY THE FUCKING HELL do you need it to be $400? You can just upgrade your current pc. AAlso consoles are sold at a loss.

    • Ben Rage

      Cost of PS4 after seven years with a ps+ subscription =750 US dollars before tax. My current PC is slightly more powerful and it cost 670 after tax. It is not cheaper unless you decide to not take your system online, especially when you take into account things like steam sales and such. There’s still nothing wrong with owning a console, but the idea that somehow the ps4 is a greater value in price is a lie and it’s time to face reality kiddo. You’ve been hoodwinked.

    • guest

      Ben, you are not taking into account PS Plus gives you whole load of free games every month worth more than the subscription. On launch day I think us PS4 gamers will be getting free Driveclub (which is getting better with each build being shown at game shows) and free Resogun – from the creators of one of the best PSN games ever in Super Stardust – IGN said there hands on of Resogun was absolutely phenomenal – can’t wait.

      So unquestionably the PS4 (sold at loss) and PS Plus is a great value package, and I know a lot of PC owners will also pick up a next gen console for exclusives such as from Naughty Dog for PS4 or Halo for X1.

    • Ben Rage

      You are not taking into account reality. The games are not free, because you are paying for them, and you do not get to own them, you basically get to rent them, and it isn’t really a choice on your part if you want online. My point is simple. It is not cheaper to own a PS4. I bought 19 PC games this summer for fifty five dollars total, some of which include Dishonored, Battlefield 3, Sleeping Dogs and Dead Space 3. I am not trying to compare PC vs PS4 as if one value is better than they other, because each has advantages and disadvantages. But one of the advantages is price when it comes to PC this generation. Last gen you would be right, the PS3 was cheaper (at least after the price cut which came years later) than an equivalent build. It is factually incorrect that the PS4 is cheaper unless you do not plan to game online, which is something that I think most people want to do now.

      It would only be cheaper if you were not a smart shopper and you payed more than 700 for an equivalent build which was your original point. You said it wasn’t possible to build a PC with equivalent specs for $400. I was pointing out that you were not taking into account the total cost of owning a PS4 and using all of it’s features. Since I am assuming you will be using ps+, you will actually be paying more out of pocket than I will this gen. That is the only point I was making.

    • guest

      HI Ben, the games you mention you bought are older games which you could have picked up for very cheap/used on PS3 this summer as well. PS+ does give not only pretty recent games for free, but also adds in latest psn downloadable games as well, and I read that there was a 90% satisfaction rate with PS+. So I think the majority of PS4 owners will be more than happy to pay for PS+ and Sony have said they will invest the money in making the service better and as good as XboxLive. The jury’s out on what price PC you would need to match the fully optimised performance of a PS4, whose CPU/GPU/RAM architecture is designed purely for gaming, but I am willing to bet it is greater than sum of its parts and it is much more than $700 (look at the miracles they performed with The Last Of Us and GTA5 on 7 year old PS3 hardware).

      Consoles have always sold well because they are accessible and aimed at the mass market with the offer of the best performance for the relatively cheap price. That is why Sony cannot manufacture the PS4s fast enough to meet demand.

      Tbh, I think Console gaming and PC gaming can happily co-exist and complement each other, we should all stop trolling, most people I know who game on PC also own a console. I happen to prefer consoles because I am more of a Couch core gamer, all my friends are on consoles, and I like the console exclusives and much prefer controllers to keyboard/mouse.

    • Dakan45

      Neither of those games is on par with most multiplatforms on pc, so dont think even for a second 7 year old hardware can do wonders, its just dated graphics, thats all, you dont see it because you dont play on pc.

    • Dakan45

      I have said that multiple times but the morons dont reallize that are fooled. They still think the games they get from psn are free and they are not given to them through the subscription profits

    • ThePokeMaster

      Not sure you know what the word obsolete means. Obsolete to whom? Not gamers or developers.
      PC fans say that all the time for every new console generation. Yet consoles remain popular and profitable as ever.
      And who’s PC has always been ahead? You guys talk about PC as if it was ONE system. Most PCs under-perform compared to PS4. In fact, higher end gaming PCs are in the minority.

    • Bozo Sapien

      You’d have to ask the author of the article in what context he was referring to “obsolete.” I think it’s safe to assume that he meant, specs wise, console technology will be overshadowed by that of PC like it always has been. The point of my comments is that none of that has ever mattered to console gamers or PC gamers in previous generations so there’s no reason to believe it will now.

    • Dakan45

      “Yet consoles remain popular and profitable as ever.”

      Consoles have taken alot of loses lately, many people switched to pc. Pc gaming has grown and it hit 20 billion in revenue in 2012, which is hiigher than consoles.

      Sadly no, most pcs do not udner perfom compared to ps4.

      The ps4 gpu is mid range and the cpu is a cheap low power dualcore x4 threads 1.6hgz cpu.

      Dont expect ps4 or xbone to be a beast. Xbox 360 and ps3 were QUITE POWERFULL when they came out, ps4 and xbox one? They are quite weak. Devs hit bottlenecks already.

    • dan

      Half of that PC revenue comes form Korea and China (where piracy is rampant), in the main western markets PC gaming is very small compared to consoles. TRolls like you put most people of PC gaming.

      Tablets are going to kill PCs anyway, but consoles will do just fine because they are dedicated gaming machines that offer a best price point for the performance on offer.

    • Dakan45

      Where is proof to what you say? Also if they are taking money from poor countries, why is that a problem? Its a sale model it works.

      Trolls like you make me wish i could punch them in the face.

      Tablets will never kill pcs, you cant play graphical impressive games on tablets you dumb fuck.

      Tablets have price and perfomance?AHAHHAHAhah what are you fucking retarded? Thats like saying “hey my phone is better than my pc”

      Please dan stop posting this trash everyone laughs at you.

    • guest

      PC sales have fallen to lowest ever levels in decades and still falling, meanwhile tablets and the next gen consoles have record breaking sales.

      PC gamers gets a bad name because of piracy, cheats and PC master race trolls like you – you are the worst advert for PC gaming and do huge damage to it. I have been put off PC gaming because of nasty trolls like you.

      Tablets are going to destroy PCs in the long run, so PC gaming is going to be extinct much sooner than you think.

      Meanwhile consoles will do just fine as they always have – great accessible gaming performance at a mass market accessible price.

    • Dakan45

      20 billion revenue, steam is killing it.

      How its “failing”

      You reffer to prebuilts like hp? GOOD people build staff instead.

      Next gen consoles dont break record sales because they are not out you pathetic troll. Only ps4 has high demand becasue xbox one shot itself in the foot.

      Piracy? where is gta v pirated a week before release? Thats right on CONSOLES.

      You created the master race, you the jealous console faggots not us, we just embrace it.

      I am annoyed by consoletard retards like you .

      How tablets are gonna destroy pc you retard? THINK where are those games made? ON PC, On high end pcs with powerfull videocards, consoles and tablets cant render in 3d like 3DSMAX, without pc pixar wont be able to make 3d movies you complete retard.

      Pcs cant die, consoles however can, why you think ubisoft stated “this is not the lat console generation”

      Consoles can die because they require very high profit margins, just like the AAA games do, it can cause a crash. That cant happen on pc though. More developers work on pc games than console games. Pc has more exlusives than pc. Ken levine stated “if you wanna see the future of gaming, its on pc” Valve brings steam OS to the living room. NOT a console, just steam OS so you can play games without hussle or those pathetic consoles.

      I doubt you gonna see a playstation 6, maybe a 5, but thats it. If this generation does maximize profits the industry will crash and consoles will die, not pc though thanks to the fact the market system is diffirent.

      So stop buying used games and buy as many games as you can or the industry will crubmle. Ejoy as more and more games turn into casual “cinematic” crap to get more sales.

    • ThePokeMaster

      Gaming PCs are the minority. And high-end gaming rigs are an even smaller percentile.
      So while PC hardware can be more advanced than the PS4, the average PC is not.

      And a PS4 will outperform a PC with comparable. So comparing PC parts with console parts is almost pointless, as PCs cannot reach anywhere near the same level of optimization as consoles.

      Devs hit bottlenecks with PS3 before launch, but that meant very little. Have you seen the games it runs? BF, Crysis, Uncharted, KZ @ 720p on a system with less than 512mb of RAM? That’s why comparisons with PC hardware is useless.

    • Dakan45

      ahahaahha no, just no.

      High end pcs are a minority.

      Mid range pcs exist in full.
      If you dissagree with that statement, then how does pc gaming even exist? How do multiplats even sell since no gaming pc, no multiplats.

      The average pc may not be more advanced but it will be in the future and you are missing the important detail that there are 150 million ps3/x360s, yet games struggle to get 2 million sales. So big whoop, even if you have a system than can play them.

      call of duty ghosts and bf4 will look better on pc than next gen versions as confirmed by the developers. So i dont think you reallize the diffirence between pc and console hardware. What about those games that consoles run? Those games were designed in diffirent architectures and run diffirently. They are not good ports on pc. This time however its very similar achitecture As you can see by how much ram is used by the OS.

      What about bf and crysis?

      Bf3 on consoles= low pc settings.

      Crysis 3= under the lowest settings. Even crysis 1 was toned down to hell in order to run on consoles, you dont magically run gams due to “console optimization” You just play at inferior graphics.

    • ThePokeMaster

      Do you know the sheer number of PCs out there? Gaming PCs are only a fraction. And like you agreed with me, high-end gaming PCs are an even smaller number.

      Some games don’t sell any more than 2mil, that’s true, however there are plenty that sell a lot more than that. Both multiplats and exclusives.
      If you’re trying to say that consoles aren’t very profitable or that there aren’t any console-only multiplatform games that succeed, then you’re mistaken.

      “The average PC may not be more advanced but it will be in the future”. See that’s the thing I’ve kept hearing for years and one console generation after another. They WILL be in the FUTURE. Of course everything will be more advanced in the future. What kind of counter argument is that.

      “COD and BF4 will be better on PC”
      Obvious and redundant statement is obvious.
      Besides, whose PC are we talking about here? Everyone’s? No. Most? Half? No.
      As we have established before, the average PC will not outperform next-gen consoles for a while. When the most popular GPU used by Steam members isn’t integrated, then we’ll talk.

      And you’re missing the point. They managed to get those games to run on 8 year old current gen console hardware with less than 512mb of ram, period. THINK ABOUT THAT. Even if only in settings no higher than low-medium. They ran better on consoles than a PC with similar specs and price point would have with hardware from 2005.

      The price, performance and optimization in consoles can’t be beat. Even if you don’t think they will be able to compete with high-end PCs in future.

      You guys are stubborn, I’ll give you that. Even when game developers say otherwise, you do your best to shut it down and twist the definition of “obsolete”.

    • Dakan45

      guess what? that fraction is where multiplatform games are played. It was not a problem back then, why is it now?

      No what i am saying is that sales have dropped on consoles alot and have increased on pc. Look at it however you wish but the fact remains that they dumb down games to get more sales and fail to get them.

      The argument is that pc harwdare gets cheap faster than consoles so you can gradually upgrade for scraps so the people who have weak pcs will be upgrading as time passes. They are not stuck with dated hardware, unlike consoles. Enjoy your “good deal” and good graphics, in 2 years everyone will own superior pcs and those who already did will be running games at far far higher graphics than consoles.

      ” the average PC will not outperform next-gen consoles for a while.”

      Again both of them stated the pc version will have better graphics than “next gen”

      What is your idea of the average pc? Because the average pc will outperfom consoles in a year or so by the looks of it. THATS WHY I AM SAYING NEXT GEN IS WEAK, GET IT ALREADY?

      “When the most popular GPU used by Steam members isn’t integrated, then we’ll talk.’

      So you arguing that people who use mackbooks with intel gpus which CANT PLAY CURRENT GEN GAMES LET ALONE NEXT GEN GAMES, can be counted as people who play multiplats?

      I dont know hot to break this to you, but you CAN be a pc gamer by playing indie games you CAN use an old pc or a mackbook you CAN fill a survey on steam. That doesnt mean that you are one of the people who play multiplatform games on pc because just likei said you cant play multiplats withouta gpu from nvidia or amd.

      So you basicly saying that nitendo users wont be able to play multiplatform games and since more people have nitendo consoles that is a huge blow to the console industry.

      When in reallity THE NITENDO AND MACBOOK GAMERS WERE NEVER THE ONES WHO WERE BUYING MULTIPLATS.

      ” They managed to get those games to run on 8 year old current gen console hardware with less than 512mb of ram,”

      By “run” you mean on low settings, barelly 30 fps and 1280x 720p?

      Also xbox one reseves 3.5 for the OS and juding from rumors so does ps4, just like pc.

      THINK ABOUT THAT.

      “They ran better on consoles than a PC with similar specs and price point would have with hardware from 2005.”

      Gee i wonder why? You must be a special kind of retard not to realize that consoles are sold at a loss rather their real price and make up profit through high sales. Not to mention that they ARE designed for that ONE specific hardware. This is how console optimization works, the game has low framerate in that specific area? We remove objects, lower lighting and blur the textures. This is how its done, not through some magical optimization,they design the whole game on that hardware and cut corners and lower what just barelly manages to lower perfomance.

      ” Even when game developers say otherwise,”

      Greg kasavin is not a dev, he doesnt design hardware or games. Some epic games guy said the next gen consoles are not too powerfull and the jump is small, then he changed his tune when sony payed him. Nvidia says ps4 is weak, but apparently they are butthurt, but when amd and sony says they are awesome,you believe them, not even reallizing that they wont bash something they work with.

      Has any dev said that xbox one is weak? Nope. I wonder why………. i think you reallize why.

      HYPE

    • ThePokeMaster

      You don’t seem to have good reading comprehension.

    • Dakan45

      and you seem to lack any arguments.

    • Jaxon Holden

      Um, did you or the 7 mindless sheep who upvoted you even READ HIS STATEMENT? The only troll here is YOU. How are you gonna repeat exactly what he said, but call him a troll… and THEN get 7 upvotes lol.. wow, what a community

    • Dakan45

      Well said. He did not say “consoles suck” or anything, but the console fanboys are too clueless to even understand what he meant.

      The console fanboys need to reallize that consoles are designed to be affordable so they can NEVER have the same power as pcs. MAKES SENSE?

      I hope they get it.

    • Erudito De Firenze

      get back under your bridge, troll!

    • Dakan45

      He is not trolling, hats how it always was, pc always have better tech and power due to the fact that consoles have to be affordable. Take a look at the “next gen” cpu those consoles use. Its a dual core cpu with 4 threads on each core. Not an actual 8 core, its only 1.6ghz, techinically even a powerfull phenom II has more power, but the jaguar is a low power tablet/laptop cpu. it is baded on consuming little power unlike pcs. All those things are done in order for consoles to be affordable and portable, they got to be weak. You dont get a super system, ever. On pc you can have continiously newer and better hardware and more expensive and more powerfull hardware, it is physically impossible for pcs not to make console harwdare seem obsolete.

    • Erudito De Firenze

      Well the apu is reinforced with the high speed ram which actually does greatly increase the fps. Ive been in pc gaming for some time and console gaming; to be honest console gaming (sony consoles in particular) just give the user the best gaming experience.

    • Dakan45

      Dont bet too much on GDDR5.

      In reallity GDDR5 is faster for video, but DDR3 is faster for cpu calculations with a cpu that weak, there obviously gonna be bottlenecks and all that ram will never be utilized. Xbox one on the other hand has upgraded i’ts cpu and uses DDR3 and i know the gpu is weaker but it is actually more balanced since the cpu isnt bottlenecked by a singificantly more powerfull videocard.

      We will see how this goes.

    • Dan

      Quoted from a PC Expert who regularly builds PC’s:

      “Now we hear a lot about how the PS4′s specs don’t match up to current PC’s. That what was demoed doesn’t look as gorgeous as Crysis 3 on max settings. I get that, I can understand where they are coming from, I’ve been gaming on a PC all of my life. I’ve played the Decents, Heretics, Dooms, 7th Guests, Wing Commanders, X-Wing and Tie Fighters (where is a sequel at?), every game LucasArts, Valve, Blizzard, and id Software have put out. I have also done all of these on custom built computers that either myself or my dad has put together. Hell I was taught how to install RAM and remove the BIOS battery before riding a bike. However, in all of this, I think there are some unfair comparisons being made. So far there is not a direct way of purchasing a similarly designed system. There is not an 8 core APU for purchase. Most people are just running a quad core setup. Not to mention the PS4 has a second chip for background processes that helps take even more load off the APU. There is no memory available to purchase that provides the same speed as the PS4. Sure you might have 16 GB of DDR3 for your system and 3 GB of GDDR5 for your video, but it’s not the same as the PS4′s unified 8 GB of GDDR5 clocked at 176 GB/s for system and video. Comparatively non-overclocked DDR3-1333 for PC’s transfer data at 10.7 GB/s. Also, unless you’ve built a completely new computer in the last 6 months, you’re probably not running a complete PCI Express 3.0 Setup. Meaning your MOBO, CPU, and GPU all have to be equipped with it. This means your bus speeds could be aiding in the bottlenecking of your system. Even still PCI 3.0 can’t compete with the bus speeds within an APU. I’m not saying that the PS4 is the end all be all machine, but it might be better equipped than it is given credit for. They also have a clear advantage of being able to write to the metal. There is no cumbersome OS or layers that a typical system has to work through. PC development also has to think about the least common factor when developing a title. It doesn’t make sense for a developer just to build a game for the 10%. Not everyone owns a GTX 680 and even comparably that is a card with 2GB of RAM at $500. That alone will probably be more than the price of Sony’s new console. To build a similar spec’d PC you may need to consider the greater sum of it’s parts than low balling it. I helped a friend build a computer last month and he had a budget of around $1100 (the link for parts can be found here.) and I’ll go out on a limb and say that the PS4 still has a distinct edge.”

    • Dakan45

      That is a bullshit you pulled out of your ass and i arleady disproved it by pointing out how the cpu works and how it causes bottlenecks.

      You are unable to reply because YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT HARDWARE YOU PATHETIC CUNT.

      SO shut your mouth and gtfo.

    • Nikola Kostic

      Youre a fucking fool.. your argument that the cpu will bottleneck the ps4 shows this. Do you think both sony and Microsoft went with a 1.6ghz processor because they cheaped out? No, they went with that because they felt more would not be necessary.. they are hardware engineers, you on the other hand are a prick who is pissed the rest of us prefer gaming on consoles, so your opinion doesn’t matter. And just to confirm that with a fact, the xbox 360 had a tri-core 3.2ghz cpu.. clearly they didn’t go backwards with tech. They instead realized games dont need 5ghz to run. higher clock speeds just means bigger psu’s, and bigger fans, more chance of overheating etc

    • dan

      You are absolutely right Nicola, this Dakan45 is a f*cking cellar dwellar troll, spreading lies and myths about next gen based on nothing but sh*t coming out of his arse.

      I’ll believe the people who have been hands on the PS4 and say next gen games like Killzone, Infamous, FIFA, etc… look and play amazingly good.

      The only negative comments I heard were about an early unoptimised build of BF4 on PS4 at Gamescom, and now a more optimised version has been shown TGS, it was reported as looking absolutely stellar on PS4 as proved by person who actually owns a PC.

    • Nikola Kostic

      Look dont get me wrong im sure battlefield 4 will look somewhat better on pcs with $1000 gpus in them, but even a pc (which is never optimized for) with a gpu of equivalent power as ps4 (7850-7870) can run battlefield 3 at 1080p, high settings, and over 30fps. So I see no reason for battlefield 4 to not run at 1080p and 60fps on a console that in addition has the benefit of optimization, as well as gddr5 ram and an apu. Point being, it will look good, and if it doesnt, its not the hardware to blame, its a bad engine or lazy developers

    • Dakan45

      Right check the requirments for bf4. They are not that high, this time it will be optimized.

    • Dakan45

      shut up you pathetic dipshit, you are wrong about everything you say, die already you cunt fuck, both ghost sand bf4 will look better on pc than ps4 as confimred by the developers which contradicts ea statements about fifas.

      You consoletards believe in myths that they tell you to sell their products.

    • Dakan45

      You are the fucking tool. They gone with a weak tablet cpu for multiple reasons

      1 its low power, it uses less energy.

      2. a powerfull gpu would bottleneck the cpu

      3. its does require alot of cooling/

      4. Its apu and its weak.

      More than necessary my ass

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdaCxtDg1qA

      Next gen is weak, it has to be because of crisis we have today you are not getting as huge of jump as last time.

      No matter how you twist it and shape it next gen is weak, end of story.

      also dan is a sad af faggot going around trolling.

    • Nikola Kostic

      Haha first I said fool not tool, second, a tablet cpu? Are you that retarded? Lmfaoo. Third, a powerful cpu will bottleneck the cpu.. are you on drugs?. Now to be serious.. I know what these guys are saying and I get it, my prediction is these consoles will look bad 5 years down the line, and a new gen will come out (the 10 years is pr bullshit so you feel like you made a good investment). My point is a ps3 with 200gflops and 512mb ram did gaming at 720p and 30fps and low (pc) settings. A console 10 times more powerful (and it is on paper, thats not bullshit) will do just fine with 1080p gaming at 60fps for the next couple of years, if not maybe right at launch (although a lot of launch titles have it even on xbone, ex cod ghosts)

    • Dakan45

      Thanks for proving you are completly clueless and dodged most of my points becasue you dont know shit.

      The cpu is a jaguar a 1.6ghz tablet cpu. It is a dual core cpu with 4 threads each, not even an actual 8 core. It is a low power cpu used on tablets and laptops, it creates less heat because it has low power design so its best used for tablets and laptops. It does not outpout much power. Technically even a powerfull quad phenom ii outperfoms it.

      A powerful gpu will bottleneck the cpu. Apparently you also make mistakes.

      if you dont know what bottleneck means. Basicly if a cpu is weak and the gpu isnt, the gpu process faster than the videocard so it is never used to its true potential because it has to wait for the cpu to finish doing its job. The ram is also bottlenecked on ps4 since the cpu can never access all that ram. Memory controllers are on the cpu you know. Xbox one is more balanced since it uses ddr3 and has upgraded its cpu. But hey cerny who constantly contradicts himself has said the ps4 has no bottlenecks.

      So fall for his lies, its not like sony has not lied before, like saying that ps2 is powerful enough to build bombs and ps3 will dominate with the power of the core.

      Its not like sony did not tell the planetside 2 developes to say the facepalm worthy “it will run better on ps4 than a 4000$ pc” or waframe claimed to bring high end visuals of pc on ps4, when the game has 2006-2007 requirments.

      Thats how console works by telling LIES.

      The new consoles can provide 1080p 30 fps and last 5 years but they cant provide 1080p 60 fps and last more than 3 years.

      Funny how we argue p and fps when the graphics actually matter which will be inferior initially and keep becoming inferior as time passes.

    • Nikola Kostic

      You talk way too much bro, I can barely read all your posts let alone reply to them make your points short and concise if you want replies, not essays.

      Im telling you the way these games will be made to run will not require cpus with high clock frequencies. It makes absolutely no sense saying ms and sony both fucked up by using the same low power cpu.. and you speculating that it will botrleneck the gpu is completely irrelevant. Show me one credible engineer or developer that says this.. and ill show you a hundred who disagree

    • Dakan45

      arguments, arguments arguments…there are none. I proeved you wrong so you dodged half my points, well done troll. Next time shut your mouth if you dont know SHIT, dont call people fools.

      “the way these games will be made to run will not require cpus with high clock frequencies”

      Hope you reallize that current console games were not made to utilize pcs, but now they will, atleast on the multi core side.

      “Show me one credible engineer or developer that says this.. and ill show you a hundred who disagree”

      What is your definition of credible engineer? Greg kasavin who said those things in the article is not a engineer or a developer. He is a game reviewer that retired. Considering i played more games than him on more system and i have techinical knowledge that makes me credible to call bs on his SPECULATIONS about next gen.

      I remember when a epic games guy said that the next gen consoles are weak, then sony paid him and he changed his tune.

      Have you seen any developer or engineer bashing xbox one? NOPE yet the whole internet does based on specs and speculation.

      Sorry for not believing cerny’s bullshit that ps4 has “no bottlenecks” becasue such think is impossible. You telling me that the low end weak cpu is not bottlenecked by GDDR5, is not bottlencked by all that ram and the superior gpu? For your information the memory controllers are on the cpu. So it is impossible that all those things together dont cause bottlenecks, but what do i know? Its not like i was a programmer in atari and sega, you know 2 companies that failed in console business. Cerny was though.

    • Nikola Kostic

      Haha see again you dont know what the fuck you’re saying. Atari failed because it got sold and the buyers with no gaming experience ran it into the ground. Hate on cerny all you want the fact is the guy is a genius (look at when he graduated from University) who gets paid millions to do what he does. Does that mean im gonma fall for every bullshit line him or sony feed us? No. But it also means he knows what the fuck hes doing when he makes a console. And yes there have beem instwances of devs talking shot about one console. Take the guy from ea for example who said battlefield will look better on ps4, or the guys from amd.. or the guy who worked on the least gears of war and is now saying ps4 is 50% faster (at least during development phase).. again you are assuming there are botrlenecks but what do you think, the guys are idiots? Cerny may lie sometimes (like everyone im that industry does) but hes not a retard to make a console with a decent gpu only to have a bottlneck in the cpu. But dont believe me we will wait and see when the games come out. Just to add, no developer ever complained about the cpus not even a rumor, yet many complain about say xbox one, or even about ps4 that they have to make compromises.. but nothing about cpus so just give it a rest with that dumbass argument

    • Dakan45

      I really like how much of a pretntious fanboy you are.

      So you admit that cerny and sony LIE and overhype, but HEY if ms and nitendo fucked up, sony cant possibly fuck up right?

      PS3 DA POWER OF DA CORE, CELL WILL DOMINATE.

      You forgot that? If ms can fuck up with xbox one, sony can also fuck up, Cerny is not some super duper genius that doesnt make mistakes. Carmack made mistakes with rage. You implying that cerny is an idiot and cant make a bad console, yet there are many examples of falures, say xbox one or ps3 achitecture.

      Kinda one sided if you ask me.

      I dont know where you get your information, but i also heard the opposite, i heard Dice saying that xbox one will have the dfinitive version thanks to cloud. I heard watchdogs dev basickly sucking off both sides.

      What can a developer say “yeah well we like next gen consoles, but their cpus are trash”

      ….. would you be excited if they said that? Ofcourse not.

      I explain why there are bottlenecks, but lets see what happens.

    • Nikola Kostic

      Wait what? I didnt say cerny is an idiot you did. As for cell, they didn’t fuck up, cell is more powerful than the 360 and it showed in first party games. The problem was harder coding but thats just as much lazy developers as sony’s problem. And I dont hate on microsoft. The 360 was an awesome console, however microsoft now decided to try and implement drm, theyre trying to sell a weaker console for more money, and they turned it into a media center.. no thanks, not for me. As for the Nintendo they are just retarded. Gameplay on their shitty console looks as good and somwtimes worse than on ps360 yet they made it like 6 years later. Nintendo should just stop making hardware and sell software like EA does. And you should stop talking shit about the limitations of a console that isnt even out yet, and instead go suck a dick.

    • Dakan45

      i am just showing you how the mighty can fail misserably, why you think sony cant? When they have in the past, why you think cerny cant? When they have failed inthe past.

      You talk about the limitations of xbox one when its not even out, the whole internet does how is that diffirnet?

      i dont know about you, but i got my hands on a wiiu last night. It was a tiny console roughly at the size of the controller with the screen and had some intresting gameplay ideas through the use of the screen, the wii nunchunkcs.

      It had diffirnent gameplay and experiance than xbox/ ps so its an interesting console itself.

      I dont think you reallize this but the consoles are not made by nitendo or sony anymore. Amd makes the hardware. The ps4 will be releaed in japan in february becasue its not been made there. The wiiu was made by amd as well. Ms bought the hardware and design and manufcatured the xbox one themselfs though.

      Neither of the console companies have the money to make hardware research and make consoles, all the research and development has to come from nvidia or amd or intel. Only they got the power and labs to do it.

    • Nikola Kostic

      You gotta understand that maybe sony didn’t do as well as they hoped with ps3 and microsoft fucks up too but that doesnt mean that they fail. Even the ps3 sold a ton of units and the ps4 is shaping up to be much better for its time.. no console will ever be perfect with its design

      Also I never presumed to talk about the limitations of xbox one such as “it wont be able to do 1080p” but when you have 2 consoles with identical cpus, but one has a better gpu and better ram and sells for $100 less, then yes I can definitely say it will perform better.. just like you can (and do) say that high end pcs will perform better than the ps4, because they’re significantly better on paper, and youre right. But neither of us can say by how much exactly (in the case of xbox one vs ps4 or ps4 vs pc)

      As for the wii u, I would have no problem with it if a) it sold for around $150 (because once ps/xbox are out the wiiu hardware will be at least 4 times less powerful) and b) have some good games finally. Unfortunately the first will not happen and the second is just starting to happen instead of those games being present at launch. You may like your wiiu and im glad some people do but im just telling you why its doing so poorly in sales and why most people arent buying it, me included

      See nintendo not only madea little fuckup, they failed. Sony on the other hand failed with vita..ill admit that freely. I bought a vita expecting good games like elder scrolls, gta ect all I got was some japanese crap so I sold that asap

    • Dakan45

      Didnt do as well? it was a disaster, sony has stated that ps4 has to sucseed or they are done for. They cand mess up again, they had double the losses x360 had. It took them many years to reach x360 and the only reason ps3 finally outsould x360 is becasue it got cheap and they had exlusives to sell it with.

      Thats what YOU got to understand, stop praising sony they overhype and underdeliver and makes mistakes as everyone.

      The xbox one cpu has been upgraded. Better ram? Not really a faster cpu with ddr3 beats gddr5 anytime. Its not like the vram will take advantage of all that ram, alot of it is gonna be used for cpu and os.

      This next gen is a small jump. It has to be to be affodable and possible for developers, they will have to sell 10 million copies each if they made high end games, so its not about pc being more powerfull, its about pc not having to be more powerfull.

      Also becuase the xbox one is weaker, you are getting inferior qualtiy on ps4, eg watchdogs and thief run on ps4 on 30 fps.

      wii u should be 250. I played on the system, its not a 150$ handheld. I doubt ps4/xboxone are 4 times as powerfull as the wiiu.

      I am not a nitendo fan, i never liked their games, i played on a friend’s wiiu and what you mean nitendo is doing bad? Nitendo has sold more wii than sony and ms did with their consoles and also has the highest sales in exlusive titles. How is nitendo doing poorly? It focus on diffirnet types of gamers and they always manage to keep going with nitendo exlusives and a lower price without focusing on power. You gotta reallize nitendo tried to compete with ms and sonywith gamecube and failed with Wii, they managed to be on top by focusing to diffirent type of gamers, they have no problem with the wiiu either. Its not a consoles like ps and xbox, its wii, dotn see this as a “next gen” super duper controller and multiplatform games system. Its a tiny console that is easy to carry around and focuses on wii type gameplay and it has a controller with a screen on it so you wont have to attach it to a tv, its a diffirent type of consoles, it doesnt compete with xbox/ms, they do their own thing and it has some multiplatform games but thats not their focus.

      It pretty much exists outside of the ps3/x360/pc competition.

    • Nikola Kostic

      I can see that whatever I tell you which are facts you wont listen to reason so theres no point me me posting after this post. im just going to say what i said already:

      1) Sony did not do badly with ps3, they might have done worse than expected but they still outsold microsoft so that is by definition still doing well.. that article youre referring to the sony guy simply said we have to do better this gen. on top of that i played more games on my ps3 than on 360 because of free online and the when i got ps plus it was even better.

      2) I was not talking about the wii i specifically said wiiU. wii was good, wii u was shit, another fact shown by its sales. and yes its at least 4 times less powerful, look it up, and thats on paper, not including the fact that sony/amd is making an APU, which brings me to my next point: AMD and NVIDA will start making apus because they know it will increase gaming performance.. so even if ps4 and xbox one had the exact same specs (which they dont, not by a long shot) ps4 would still win out

      3) if you think ddr3 ram is going to work better for a gaming console than gddr5 that about sums up how accurate your predictions are about the cpu’s and all the other stuff hahaha

    • Dakan45

      ARE YOU BRAINDAMAGED YOU PATHETIC PAUPER?

      Sony DID bad with ps3, it was a godamn disaster, wtf you smoking? X360 outlsould ps3 for many years the only reason ps3 finally otusould x360 was because it got cheap and it had alot of exlusives, most people own both systems now. Sony had billions in loses, they suffed greatly, they said it themselfs that they cant afford to take any more loses, ps4 has to sucseed.

      My god you are a bigger retard than i thought. xbox one is not 4 times as powerfull and ps4 is not twice as powerfull as the xbox one.

      APU does NOT improve gaming perfomance you complete consoletarded fool. APU= amd’s cheap laptop design, it does not improve perfomance it BOTTLENECKS IT.

      Low power tablet cps, no ddr3 which means bottlenecking the cpu. Not enought power to the gpu, the entire concept is made for laptops and portable low power consuming systems. You will NEVER see a high end apu or a decent gamking desktop pc using apu, EVER, its a cheap ass solution.

      So you are a complete retard and think that ms shot themselfs in the fot and using DDR3 and they had no reason to do it, but the retarded jap bastadrds at sony who fucked up with DA POWER OF DA CORE and hired amd and western engineers to build a cheap and affordable console are 100% correct and have no bottlenecks or losses due to inferior cpu and slower ram for the cpu?

      Here have your retard award, i am not bothering wtih a fanboy who suckcs sony’s cock so much that doesnt admit ps3 was a huge disaster for sony.

    • Nikola Kostic

      YOU FUCKING RETARD.

      both sony and microsoft took losses on HARDWARE sales (ps3 twice as much losses as 360) but they BOTH more than made up for it by taking a percentage of game sales. Sony was talking about not taking losses on HARDWARE INITIALLY like they did last gen. the fact is they in the end MADE money, mostly on game sales and very minimally in the later years on the hardware. thats why they said PS4 WONT BE SOLD AT A LOSS;

      http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/155521-playtation-4-sony-announces-the-ps4-wont-be-sold-at-loss

      ps3 was only a disaster comparatively cus they lost a large portion of the market for console games to xbox. but it was not an unprofitable console either way, otherwise sony would have either gotten rid of it or the computer entertainment division would have been cut, YOU FUCKING RETARD

      NVIDIA and AMD are BOTH making apu’s for gaming, LOOK AT MAXWELL ARCHITECTURE FOR THE 800 SERIES GPUS, IT WILL HAVE UNIFIED MEMORY, this is OLD news:
      http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20110119204601_Nvidia_Maxwell_Graphics_Processors_to_Have_Integrated_ARM_General_Purpose_Cores.html

      the point is apus are the future in all computers including gaming. but go back to believing what you will, your pc will be outdated in 2014 when maxwell architecture is released hahaha loser

    • Dakan45

      look how fucking butthurt you are.

      Ps3 has twice the losses of x360.

      So ps3 managed to outsell x360 after 7 years? PATHETIC, the disaster had already happen.

      FUCKING RETARD.

      Maxwell is not apu you complete braineded faggot.

      APUS ARE SHIT SHIT SHIT REALLIZE THAT YOU PATHETIC DIPSHIT.

    • Nikola Kostic

      before apu was used commonly as a term for laptop processors it meant HSA. and yes thats what apu means, regardless of how fast the processor is:

      http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2255921/nvidias-maxwell-gpu-architecture-will-access-system-ram

      i just disproved everyhting you said and backed it up by articles.. so eat shit and die

    • Dakan45

      HSA is a low level api.

      Please go die already.

      i wont even bother replying to your pathetic bullshit anymore, you are a dumb pauper, REAL FUCKING LIZE THAT PS3 WAS A DISASTER FOR SONY, SONY FAGGOTS CAN MAKE MISTAKES THEY ARE NOT GODS, STOP SUCKING THEIR TINY JAP COCKS YOU DUMB FUCK.

    • Nikola Kostic

      I meant hUMA. Thats what makes an apu not whether its in a laptop or a desktop you dumb fuck.

      360 was a good gaming console, ps3 was a good gaming console, xbox one will probably turn out ok even though they started off with a focus on “tvtvtv”.. ps4 will not be perfect but it will be better than xbox. Deal with it.

    • Dakan45

      Now you mean Huma, do you even know what that is, becasue the last time a pauper said that, i asked him why huma is so great and he told me to go look for it.
      Hyping much?

      APU= cheap portable laptop crap. You wont see desktop gaming apus.

    • Nikola Kostic

      What do you mean what is it? Do I have to spell it out for you? Unified memory architecture. Ps4 is using it, amds new cards will be usig it, nvidia 800 series will be using it. That’s all an apu is, yeah its a bullshit term to say cpu and gpu will share memory but it will be in gaming pcs. Just look it up man instead of bitching all day how it will never come to gaming pcs when its already scheduled for early 2014

    • Dakan45

      Thats not what it is and ps4 is not using it, not does nvidia.

      You might wanna look it up.

    • Nikola Kostic

      Bro just read the articles I posted. It tells you thats what it isjesus..

    • Nikola Kostic

      Considering ps3 has 512mb ram and a gpu of approximately 200gflops, and runs battlefield 3 at around 720p and low settings (based on pc) I think a 1.84 tflop console with 8gb gddr5 will do just fine for 1080p gaming, especially once devs truly learn how to optimize for it (and I dont just mean x86 architecture)

      Sure pc has better visuals but using that argument implies you play pc versions of games for the best visuals, and that requires constant upgrading (at least yearly). Certain pc games are so unoptimized its just a shame.. a gtx 780 cant keep a solid 60fps in crysis 3 if you have antialiasing on.. lmao what a joke of an engine.

      Ill consider spending $1000-1500 on a pc when they release cpus, gpu’s etc only when their power doubles (instead of flooding the market like cellphones are doing) and when games and engines are optimized for the lastest hardware.. but since that will never happen, fuck em.

      Also dont delude yourself, pc gaming is not bigger than console gaming, not in the games that matter.. sure everyone buys those shitty little games but thats like saying angry birds is bigger than call of duty just cus you have hundreds of millions of casual users paying a dollar for it.. irrelevant to true games/gamers

    • Dakan45

      You are comparing diffirent architectures. Take a look how much ram is used on next gen for os. Games were never designed for pc harwdare but for consoles, now its the other way away around.

      Bf3 on consoles runs on low settings,you dont magically get better perfomance, you just run it at inferior settings.

      You say that they need to optimize it, yet they dont need to focus on that so much since this time they know the architecture, its pc architecture, they are not going blind this time around. Thats why games look so good, not because consoles are powerfull, far from it.

      Crysis 3 has better graphics than next gen. If you cant have good fps with a gtx 780 then you are not using a powerfull cpu, so the videocard is bottlenecked. Or you seem to be missing the fact that games on next gen are not solid 60 fps, they will be drops to 50 fps sometimes just like far cry 3 drops to 24 fps. They dont achieve 60 fps because they are “powerfull” but because simply they lower graphics quality wherever the framerate drops. Eg running under 1080p or equivilant to high settings. You may think that these things are optimized in the future, but last time i checked games that run on 720p 30 fps did not became 1080p and 60 fps. Hell not even cod maintains 60 fps on consoles.

      So dont think you gonna get solid 60 fps on next gen.

      Why spend so much on a pc? You can just upgrade with 400 and beat next gen visuals.

      Pc gaming revenue is bigger than console gaming and has more exlusive.

      The fact you dare call them “shitty little games” amuses me. Yet you actually do approve of AAA samey trash that are not even made for “true gamers” but for casual average joes to play them as interactive movies.

      ps2/xbox was about games. What games turn out now, like beyond two souls, the last lof us, bioshock infinite, those games have less gameplay and more cinematic visualization. They are not “Real games” that take skill, they are designed to mash a few buttons and watch a story. This is not gaming, they basicly turned gaming into the same thing that hollywood is. They spend craploads of money on acting and cinematic directions and not in gameplay. Next gen better be about gameplay for gamers and not movie like games to score more cash with the average joe and non gamers.

      THINK ABOUT IT, more people are into gaming now in this generation, people who were never into gaming before. Next gen seems to be about tv, social features, browsers mmos. This is where its heading, ms didnt pull tv out of their asses, they reallize that games have turned into and they are tapping on that. Sony has reallized F2P can make profit and they are tapping on that.

      Its sad really.

    • maan786

      the way i see it, pc”s become obsolete after every two year, and consoles have a way better games line up. pcs are good if you only care about graphics.

    • Dakan45

      LOL, so you telling me that the samey generic casual AAA trash that consoles have are better “games” but an indie game with innovation, skill and variety is not a good game? Come on. Pc has more exlusives than all consoles combined and no pcs dont became absolute in 2 years, 4-5, yes but you still run games better than the console versions.

    • maan786

      Well your entitled to your opinion, but don’t really agree with on the better exculives pass. At the end its just a matter or preference, whether you wanna play on pc or console.

  • Ana Helušić

    PS4 wins

  • Alastes

    PC wins. Always.

  • Anthony Murray

    doesnt matter console will still sell and still have a better community

    • Dakan45

      meh pc has better community, proof? xbox live and pauperstation fanboys.

    • dan

      PC gaming is full of pirates, hackers and cheats who ruin the fun of any multiplayer game. i.e. PC gaming is full of trolls like you.

    • Dakan45

      Hey faggot dan? saying the typical consoletard bullshit againt about pc being full of hackers and pirates, despite the fact that at this point more people have hacked ps3/x360 to play pirated games. Keep being in denial you annoying troll. i wish i could kill annoying trolls like you with no life that come here without an acount and reply again and again to piss people off. To physically go back and check an entire page for something to argue, must have a special kind of obsession with consoles.

    • dakan455

      My name is Dakan45, I am big fat ugly PC troll who spends all day trolling and commenting on games websites about consoles, as I have no life and no girlfriend.

      I base my trolling nothing but rumours and lies because I have never played a next gen console and never played the final versions of the games (as the next gen consoles have not even been released).

      I am too poor to afford new PC so I keep on upgrading my old one, and unlike most PC gamers who also own a console, I am too poor to buy a new console as well, so I troll all day about them.

      I spend the rest of my day buying new graphics cards on my PC, then pirating PC games and then cheating and hacking on multiplayer games to ruin the PC game experience of other gamers. I also masturbate over Lara Croft on my PC, but what make me happiest is trolling on websites and pissing other people off.

      MY NAME IS DAKAN45, I AM FAT UGLY LYING TROLL, somebody please kill me and put me out of my miserable life.

    • dan

      My name is dan, i am a kid and i am poor, i am too retarded and
      stupid to play games on pc like the master race done and i like sucking
      sony’s cock.

      I troll and say bullshit and i keep
      lying to everyone pretending i am rich, yet cant afford anything that
      costs more than 400$,infact i tell to myself the ps4 costs 350 and the
      dualshock is 50$ just o make myself feel better.

      I have
      no life, nor a disquss acount, my hobby is going around and replying to
      dakan and fill his inbox like a stalker, i always save the pages i am
      browsing so i can go back and read for replies.

      i
      apologize but i just dont have a life, other from scanning pages for
      replies to my troolish guest posts and reply to people with no
      arguments.

      Someboy please shove dildo in my ass and kick it in till i die.

      please i am a gay faggot with no life or the brains to play on anything else than a shitty console by FONY.

  • Erudito De Firenze

    Console games have a much higher optimisation than pc games, which is why visuals can be pushed so far. Pc game devs depend on the user to upgrade every two years or so.

    • Dakan45

      No, console games are made for a single hardware, that gives them logically better perfomance so they dont have to worry about a pc having a super duper cpu and being bottlenecked because the developers did not make the game to take advantage of all those cores. BUT, the upgrade every 2 years is complete bullshit, you can keep playing games very well for atleast 4 years without needing to upgrade. You dont upgrade to keep playing or to get the highest graphics, you upgrade to be able to run the latest graphics for a few years. UNLIKE consoles pc doesnt stay and wait, they upgrade the graphics so people with more powerfull pcs can have better graphics and you dont need anything super expenisve or super new. Ill say it again bf3 on consoles= low pc settings, crysis 3 runs UNDER the lowest pc settings. Consoles do not remain competitive due to magical console optimization that can defy reallity and keep pushing better graphics, after 2 years consoles just cant compete with pc new tech and you just run games at inferior graphics.

      Hell when oblivion came out on “next gen” x360, the pc version had better graphics. You are never really getting the best out of a console, you jus settle to whatever the developers thought was good enough, eg 1280x720p and 30 fps and possibly inferior graphics.

    • Erudito De Firenze

      You’re using a bad port as an example? look at the last of us, god of war, heavy rain can you honestly say any pc game tops them? I have a high end pc and it feels dated when games like hitman absolution, witcher etc comes out because the optimisation is nowhere near where it could be as nvidia/amd release gpus too quick and the devs can’t keep up. Problems happen alot more on pcs too ie the need for patches that you aren’t always aware of etc which causes can cause the most random problems sometimes. The best gaming experiences hands down is on consoles(a sony one)

      btw my rig is :
      Motherboard:asus p8z68 gen 3
      CPU:i5 2500k 4.2ghz
      Memory:16gb corsair ddr3 1600mhz
      Graphics card(s):msi gtx 670
      PSU:corsair ax 760
      Case:corsair 500r
      Monitor:asus vg236h

    • Dakan45

      Yes. Yes i can say most multiplats on pc beat them

      None of these game are graphically impressive. Compare the last of us to crysis 3 or BF3 on a pc or metro last light. Compare it to remember me on pc, it has better graphics, compare it to tomb raider on pc, it also has better graphics.

      Heavy rain on the other hand is hardly a game, its basicly a scripted movie with button pressing, less resources there.

      I wont even bother bringing god of war into discussion.
      “You’re using a bad port as an example?”

      hitman absolution, IS a bad port. But i cant possibly believe you got issues with that rig. The console version doesnt even qualify for medium settings.

      Crysis in 2007, basicly beat consoles, it was not optimized, it only used 2 cores. However now, games run on 1080p with AA and have superior texture, lighting from the consoles and other things such as advanced forms of ambient occlusion and dx11 tesselation effects.

      The perfomance is pretty good a 4 year old pc should run them on high, console games nowdays run on low-medium depending on the game. Now if you pick a graphically unimpressive game that hasnt been touched alot such as darksiders the perfomance is over 900000.

      The games that run bad, are leaps and bounds superior than the console versions, they dont run bad becasue of awful porting and bad optimization…every time.

      So pc has issues? But consoles dont? Didnt skyrim froze and stutter on consoles? What could you do? NOTHING, you just had to wait for the publishers to patch it, while on pc you could user user fixes rather being on the mercy of the publisher, the issues and fixes on that game were very similar to oblivion and fallout 3, so they were familiar.

      Didnt psn go down? Didnt cell take along time ot be utilized? Wasnt resistance 3 a mess up with the patches so you had to uninstal a patch to make it work? Consoles got issues too. The ps2/xbox era was fine, now consoles lose their advantages and become more and more like pc, you will see more of that next gen.

    • Erudito De Firenze

      Heavy rain is mature new breed of game that doesn’t exist anywhere else. It gives the player actual consequences to each choice presented etc. Actually play the game before making comments. Resolution is the only thing that held the ps3 but with 1080p games on the ps4 the pc crowd will have less to brag about.

    • Dakan45

      Indigo prophecy, nomad soul.

      Nuff said, i also saw gameplay from beyond two souls,that was not a game, it was a overhyped QTE.

      “Resolution is the only thing that held the ps3 but with 1080p games on the ps4 the pc crowd will have less to brag about.’

      NO, games on pc run at far superior settings than ps3. That was not the case back in 2007-2009 but it is now and has been for 3 years due to how dated consoles are.

      AGAIN bf3 on ps3=LOW pc settings.

      So you say consoles can now do 1080p? Woopie fucking doo!!!

      Aside from the fact they are NOT ant its an UPSCALED resolution or its gonna be in most games and not actual 1080p, pc also has antialising and just like people moved higher than 720p, so they will now and run games higher than 1080p in the future. More complex geometry= more aliasing, which means higher resolution and more antialising. so yeah big freaking deal. Ps the pc crowd also has better sound and customization to brag about. Maybe the dedicated audio chip manages to deliver better sound on ps4, but i dont think they will allow you to fully customize buttons any time soon. Which is stupid, even a cheap controller has a map button on it, that allows you to change the button mapping.

    • Erudito De Firenze

      what an uber fanboy two souls has ZERO qtes. Your just running with typical generic arguments that xbone fans use. Its also very funny how 99% of your upvotes are guest accounts.

    • Dakan45

      http://uk.ign.com/videos/2013/09/14/beyond-two-souls-hunted-alternate-playthrough-1-of-2

      Stop being such a fanboy. The game is more of a QTE than a game.

      Thats zero qtes eh?

    • Dakan45

      hurts being wron eh faggot? Its not like you are any diffirent on n4g, a retarded pc hater and console faggot there, same here. whats wrong? People did not bite yout trolling bait there and you came to disquss you dumb fuck?

    • Erudito De Firenze

      You mother raised you to be the definition of a cunt. http://www.destructoid.com/cage-no-qte-for-beyond-two-souls-249215.phtml. Even if there were qtes what would be wrong about it? If you don;t like it go back to call of duty.

    • Dakan45

      I dont know where to start and where to end with your bullshit.

      You said it has zero qtes, i showed you qtes, now you telling me to go back to cod which SUPRISINGLY has more ACTUAL GAMEPLAY than that interactive movie overhyped POS will ever have.

      BUT I KEEP FORGETING Erudito is a famous sonytard on ps4, so you can keep sucking sony off like a moron. I am done with you.

    • dan

      HI Erudito, just ignore Dakan45, he is just a troll and big joke on the forums. I agree with you that PC gamers and console gamers can happily co-exist, they are different markets of gamers, although most PC gamers I know own a console as well for exclusive games and games like FIFA that work well with a controller.

      At $400 the PS4 is absolute bargain, and it will run most gamers at 1080p and 60fps.

    • dan

      ignore me too i am a dumb faggot that thinks pc gaming is filled with hackers and pirates than ruin my multiplayer experiance and i happy go around and say bullshit like “ps4 is 350$ and the 50$ is the duallshock 4 and shadowfall played lovelly with the new cosntroller.

      I am a pretentiosu fuck that first bashes the crap out of pc and then claims to believe that both can coexist happilly.

      I am a bigger pretentious fuck and a troll faggot because i say that i am rich yet i go around saying “ps4 is an absolulute bargain”

      When dakan45 disproved my claims like a boss, i was unable to answer him on why i wouldnt want a more powerfull version of the ps4 to exist, since i am rich and could afford it and i couldnt even understand how he disproved my retarded beliefs about hardware because unlike dakan i dont know SHIT about hardware and i am a pretentious cunt

    • Dakan45

      exactly first claiming its a bargain and pc is filled with prracy and hackers, then claiming you are rich and and can afford it.

      Then having no life and posting here relegiously like a kid and most importantly not knowing shit about hardware and being a mindless sheep.

    • dan

      You are just trolling b*llshit, absolutely not one shred of evidence in anything you have said. I’ll believe the people who have been hand on the next gen consoles and say the games look and play fantastic, so f*ck off and go back to your cellar you fat ugly troll or get a life.

    • Erudito De Firenze

      ohhh dakan its you lol the guy with dozens of comment accounts lol

    • Dakan45

      I have only 1 account and i make a lot of comments, PROBLEM??

  • Guest

    Of course $0N¥ PauperStation indie dev will say such BS, he’s a brainwashed pauper, just like Ana Helusic.

    • Austin Wood

      I’ve no idea who the language Frankenstein “Ana Helusic” refers to, but I applaud how tight you undoubtedly had to get your own fanboy panties in order to come up with “Sony Pauperstation.” It would almost be clever if you hadn’t referred to a talented indie developer as a brainwashed pauper, because that point you’re just an idiot.

  • Dakan45

    “stuff like The Last of Us, so I don’t think the rapid obsolescence of
    consoles vs. PC has ever been a significant issue in the past.”

    Now quality aside, the last of us graphics are mediocre compared to pc graphics. 1280x720p, blurry low res textures everywhere, static lighting in indoor enviroments, no ambient occlusion either.

    Tomb raider, remember me and spec ops the line on pc destroy the last of us.

    Thats what happens when a console gets old, it doesnt manage to stay graphically competitive for many years, you just play games with inferior graphics. For comparisons. Bf3 on consoles= low pc settings. Crysis 3 and metro last light= UNDER the lowest pc settings.

    To me it doesnt matter so much from a graphics perspective, but to how they achieve those graphics.

    Eg had next gen games aimed at 30 fps, they will be able to be 1080p instead of running under 1080p and upscaling and also would have gotten better graphics. Next gen should be about big maps and interactions and physics and not using linear corridor based shooters that close the area you visited behind you in order to load the new area into the same memory pool that was used for the previous area. Games next gen can look like dishonored and deus ex for all i care, for the love of god stop focuing on graphics focus on gameplay and big maps and interction, ENOUGH with those generic linear scripted cinematic shooters to save memory.

    • Dan

      This was stated by PC expert who states you need a $1100 PC to compete with the $400 PS4, I believe him and not a PC troll like you:

      “Now we hear a lot about how the PS4′s specs don’t match up to current PC’s. That what was demoed doesn’t look as gorgeous as Crysis 3 on max settings. I get that, I can understand where they are coming from, I’ve been gaming on a PC all of my life. I’ve played the Decents, Heretics, Dooms, 7th Guests, Wing Commanders, X-Wing and Tie Fighters (where is a sequel at?), every game LucasArts, Valve, Blizzard, and id Software have put out. I have also done all of these on custom built computers that either myself or my dad has put together. Hell I was taught how to install RAM and remove the BIOS battery before riding a bike. However, in all of this, I think there are some unfair comparisons being made. So far there is not a direct way of purchasing a similarly designed system. There is not an 8 core APU for purchase. Most people are just running a quad core setup. Not to mention the PS4 has a second chip for background processes that helps take even more load off the APU. There is no memory available to purchase that provides the same speed as the PS4. Sure you might have 16 GB of DDR3 for your system and 3 GB of GDDR5 for your video, but it’s not the same as the PS4′s unified 8 GB of GDDR5 clocked at 176 GB/s for system and video. Comparatively non-overclocked DDR3-1333 for PC’s transfer data at 10.7 GB/s. Also, unless you’ve built a completely new computer in the last 6 months, you’re probably not running a complete PCI Express 3.0 Setup. Meaning your MOBO, CPU, and GPU all have to be equipped with it. This means your bus speeds could be aiding in the bottlenecking of your system. Even still PCI 3.0 can’t compete with the bus speeds within an APU. I’m not saying that the PS4 is the end all be all machine, but it might be better equipped than it is given credit for. They also have a clear advantage of being able to write to the metal. There is no cumbersome OS or layers that a typical system has to work through. PC development also has to think about the least common factor when developing a title. It doesn’t make sense for a developer just to build a game for the 10%. Not everyone owns a GTX 680 and even comparably that is a card with 2GB of RAM at $500. That alone will probably be more than the price of Sony’s new console. To build a similar spec’d PC you may need to consider the greater sum of it’s parts than low balling it. I helped a friend build a computer last month and he had a budget of around $1100 (the link for parts can be found here.) and I’ll go out on a limb and say that the PS4 still has a distinct edge.”

    • Dakan45

      I alraedy disproved this the last time. Why you keep posting it.

      So il will keep disproving it

      Can you see the diffirence here?

      http://www.gamereactor.eu/medi

      If not dont argue bullocks, you cant tell the diffirence in a youtube video

      Second “pc expert”

      WHO? Where is proof you didnt pull that out of your ass?

      Carmack is the creator of fps and said next gen will be 1080p 30fps, its it sadly under 1080p on 60 fps.

      That makes him wrong i suposse. But he is the fps creator the mastermined of 3d programming….. well he was wrong.

      I am a “pc expert” and again let me point out how big of trolls the
      console owners are and talk trash to sell their products to morons like
      you with no actual knowledge on how thinks work and what you actually
      getting.

      At first Cerny says that ps4 is easy to make games on thanks to x86
      which is a familiar architecture so NO you wont see anything like ps3
      getting super duper power advantage later on because the developers dont
      have to learn the consoole architecture,they know it, its not DA POWER
      OF DA CELL bs, now its DA POWER OF 8G GDDR5. Which was 4gb initially but
      developers did want another generation of stuck with low ram after 3
      years so they told them to upgrade.

      Then he contradicts himself by saying that devs will be able to tap into more power later on with “tricks” HOW???

      Via magical console optimization bullcrap? The architecture is well
      known, there wont be a big jump later on. Last time i checked games did
      not magically get into 1080p as years passed.

      When asked about the bottlenecks, such as the cpu being too weak and
      bottlenecking the videocard, he said there are no bottlenecks, despite
      the fact the cpu and gpu are not powerfull enough to EVER take advantage
      of all that ram and with such weak cpu the gpu will never be fully
      utilized and will have to wait for the cpu to finish processing in order
      to process further.

      Which means the ps4 gpu is very average so it wont suffer bottlenecks from the cpu.

      Let me disprove the claims. APU=laptop cheap design. You wont find high end APU.

      GDDR5 ram = best for video but its severely bottlenecking the cpu,

      DDR3 is better for cpu calculations.

      GDDR5= tech used in videocard since 2008, all videocard have GDDR5 now and in 2 years we propably get GDDR6.

      The APU fast transfer is partially true, while its faster, its also
      bottlenecking the cpu due to no DDR3, GDDR5 = slower cpu utilization but
      it doesnt matter since the jaguar cpu= low end laptop/tablet cpu. It
      will NEVER have enough power to compete with a powerfull cpu. Thats why
      laptops and apus with alot of power do not exist.

      The gtx680 does not come only in 2gb ram, infact the gt770 which
      beats 680 comes with 4gb of ram. You can see where i am going with this,
      but it is irrelevant since the ps4 ram is just RAM not exlusively used
      by the gpu. The cpu and os uses it too. Thats all you got 8gb for
      EVERYTHING. You talk about cumbersome OS but both ps4 and xbox one have
      been noted to use 3gb of ram for the os JUST LIKE PCS. if they didnt
      have browsers and record features and other crap, they would use less
      resources.

      You can have 3-4gb of ram on the gpu, but they wont be utilized any
      time soon, nor is the videocard powerfull to use them. The rest however?
      cpu and system ram are EASILLY superior than ps4 thanks to DDR3.

      Finally all videocard has 2 chips in them, where do you live? Mike
      cerny also said the ps4 will have a dedicated audio cheap becasue up
      until now pcs had better sound than consoles. Nothing new here.

      A pc that can destroy the ps4 will cost you only 800$ but ILL SAY IT AGAIN, WHY BUY A PC WHEN YOU CAN UPGRADE YOUR OLD ONE?

    • dan

      You are just trolling bullsh*t, absolutely not one shred of
      evidence in anything you have said. I’ll believe the people who have been hand
      on the next gen consoles and say the games look and play fantastic, so f*ck off
      and go back to your cellar you fat ugly troll or get a life.

    • Dakan45

      I gave evidence and proof, but you are only getting pissed because you have no idea how to reply since you are a CLUELESS RETARD.

      GET A LIFE? GET A LIFE?

      ARE YOU SERIOUS?

      YOU, my little dumb kid, you have no fucking acount, and you KEEP COMING BACK HERE and replying and trolling, you dont have a disquss acount to have your inbox filled, but you keep LOOKING FOR REPLIES AND ANSWER THEM.

      MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, its YOU who has no life. Do something else with your life shithead, cuz i aint going nowhere.

    • dakan455

      My name is Dakan45, I am big fat ugly PC troll who spends all day trolling and commenting on games websites about consoles, as I have no life and no girlfriend.

      I base my trolling nothing but rumours and lies because I have never played a next gen console and never played the final versions of the games (as the next gen consoles have not even been released).

      I am too poor to afford new PC so I keep on upgrading my old one, and unlike most PC gamers who also own a console, I am too poor to buy a console as well, so I troll all day about them.

      I spend the rest of my day buying new $400 graphics cards on my PC, then pirating PC games and then cheating and hacking on multiplayer games to ruin the PC game experience of other gamers.

      MY NAME IS DAKAN45, I AM FAT UGLY LYING TROLL, somebody please kill me and put me out of my miserable life.

    • dan

      My name is dan, i am a kid and i am poor, i am too retarded and
      stupid to play games on pc like the master race done and i like sucking
      sony’s cock.

      I troll and say bullshit and i keep
      lying to everyone pretending i am rich, yet cant afford anything that
      costs more than 400$,infact i tell to myself the ps4 costs 350 and the
      dualshock is 50$ just o make myself feel better.

      I have
      no life, nor a disquss acount, my hobby is going around and replying to
      dakan and fill his inbox like a stalker, i always save the pages i am
      browsing so i can go back and read for replies.

      i
      apologize but i just dont have a life, other from scanning pages for
      replies to my troolish guest posts and reply to people with no
      arguments.

      Someboy please shove dildo in my ass and kick it in till i die.

  • Dakan45

    Ps i just reallized something Greg kasavin reviewed oblivion for gamespot in the begining of this generation and he did say that the pc version looked better than the “next gen” x360. So dont ever think that games can look better on a console even if they are all brand new and “next gen”

    They can continue to look great but pc will gradually advance to superior graphics and higher resollutions. Obviously no pc gamer played on 1080P back in 2006, but now there are some peopleplaying higher than 1080p.So 1080p will become the new 720p. I guess thats what he meant by “obsolete” but old pcs and old consoles can still play games at inferior graphics. So its not that much of an issue like he said. Do you really care if you have the best graphics around?

  • Austin Wood

    This may be the most misleading headline to ever mislead. Bravo.

  • Juto Kuto

    Consoles are a good bargain, but never have they aver come near a decent pc. By decent i mean a afforadble one not the 2000$ myths that they throw around.

    Greg Kasavin is not a “dev” he is the creative director. This is a indie game so advanced optimizations and perfomance arguments dont say much. Greg used to review games on gamespot. I don’t know what exactly he was asked, so his statement can be taken wrong. What does he mean by “obsolete” Let me tell you something 5-6 year old gaming pcs can stil play games just like consoles do, you would think they should be obsolete but they arent. So if thats what he meant, i can understant. Pc hardware will always improve every year, so if the logic he uses is that “new iphone( or other type of electronics model) just came out, so what you bought last year is “obsolete”. Then yeah i can agree nor a console or a phone will have the same power as the latest model, but the device will still be capable of doing its job.

    So just like he said, it has never been an issue in the past and wont be now. That doesnt mean that ps4 and xbox one can deliver amazing graphics for 10 years as ms and sony say, but that they can do their job. The pc will always have more power in the hardware no matter what happens.

  • genioo

    He stupid! Look what THIS generation of consoles DO TO PC MARKET!! We can still play almost anyu game on 4-5 years old PC!! THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE in… for example 99-2000!! PC from 2001 was piece of sh… in 2003!

    • Dakan45

      Yeah and with a 8800GT from 2007, you can still play some games on low and some on high.

      I was able to play most games maxed out with a 5 year old pc and the rest of high. Now i am upgrading after 5 years, that is as long as a console generation. I am doing a small upgrade for 186$ on a 5 year old pc, i will be able to run games as well as next gen for 2 years. When i want i can do a massive upgrade and destroy next gen consoles.

      Basicly all lthe graphically impressive games run on consoles on low settings and thus are demading on pc since they offer next gen quality graphics than consoles cant even dream. The rest which are not graphically impressive like dmc, darksiders and dishonored cant still run at higher than consoles settings with pcs from 2007, its not super duper optimization just inferior graphics.

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