Calling PS4/Xbox “Resolution-gate” an Overreaction Is Tough, Rate of PC Change Higher Than Consoles

Shadowrun Returns creator Jordan Weisman talks about the challenges facing console technology.

Posted By | On 30th, Mar. 2014 Under News


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The controversy over the capability of the Xbox One and PS4 to run at 1080p resolution and 60 frames per second continues to rage on. More specifically, the inability of the former to achieve anything higher than 900p and issues with the latter unable to offer a stable 60 FPS without judders or other issues has come up time and time again.

On one hand, critics say it’s too early to judge since both consoles just released but on the other, consumers feel that if you pay for a next-gen box, you don’t necessarily accept only a marginal improvement in resolution and frame rate over the previous generation. And then you have the PC – which is capable of 1080p/60 FPS on even modest hardware and which is only getting more powerful, a fact which hasn’t escaped most gamers’ notice.

Are consumers genuinely concerned about resolution issues on next gen consoles or just annoyed because said consoles are yet to reach the PC’s level?

GamingBolt spoke to Shadowrun Returns creator and Harebrained Schemes founder Jordan Weisman about the whole issue of “Resolution-gate” and whether consumers were overreacting or annoyed because the PC is still the superior gaming platform. While confessing that he has no basis to comment on the next gen hardware itself, it is a tough situation for both consumers and console manufacturers in general.

“Well, it’s tough. The rate of change in PCs is so much higher than the rate of change in consoles. It’s very hard for consoles to keep up on a technology curve with PCs. A gamer replaces their PC, if not annually, then pretty damn near every couple years versus the console – well, when was the last time you could replace your Xbox?

“It was seven years ago. So it’s pretty hard to fight that curve. Plus, when you’re buying your PC, you’re mentally amortizing it across a lot of things, not just playing games. When you’re buying a console – they tried to broaden it from amortizing it mentally just across games to being the hub of your living room, to be being your digital content player, but there’s already really good digital content players for tens of dollars.

“You don’t need to play hundreds of dollars for that, so I’m not sure how many people felt that ‘Oh yeah, that’s a good reason to pay a bunch more.’ It’s a tough curve to fight. That said, the kind of integration into your living room is easier for a console than for a PC. And to me, it really comes down to what kind of gamer you are.

Harebrained Schemes has been placing a very large emphasis on tablets and smartphones, with both Shadowrun Returns and Shadowrun: Dragonfall available on both. Weisman feels that tablets are also becoming a fairly big threat to consoles with their increasing power. “The other curve that I would look at is tablets. The power of the tablets is climbing at a really quick rate. Your standard, off-the-shelf tablet is now more powerful than the original Xbox and damn near the Xbox 360. That’s where tablets are now, and I think we’re going to see, over the upcoming handful of years, more ‘gamer’ games coming to these platforms, rather than just mass-market games, and I think that’s going to be an interesting challenge.

“We view that as an interesting opportunity. That’s why we’re more focused on mobile than we are on consoles, because we see that as an interesting opportunity for a smaller publisher like us to go towards.”

You can be sure that various other small publishers feel the same way. One thing is for sure: both the PS4 and Xbox One face numerous challenges from all corners, aside from having to compete with each other. “Resolution-gate” will continue but it’s the least of both consoles’ problems right now.


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  • These consoles are more than capable outputting 1080p. Most of these so called next-gen games are only rushed last-gen ports. Hopefully we’ll reach a breakthrough this E3.

    • Xtreme Derp

      They can both do 1080p but there are limits and bottlenecks to visuals/framerate at that res.

    • That’s true….but when you hear all this PR about the “Xbox One is X times the Xbox 360” and the “PS4 is X times the PS3”, like the games aren’t showing it.

    • Dakan45

      hopefully, but i doub it, according to a recent article o ndso, ps4 cant push as many pixels as a powerfull pc gpu, no matter how low level you get.

    • ilovegoogleglass

      That sucks…

    • Dakan45

      we all know next gen consoles are weak, its the only way to keep them affordable, the game development will be super expensive it will take alot of time and manpower to make good looking games, too much detail too many resources. Games should focus on gameplay now, not graphics.

  • CervantesPR

    PS4 owners are fine. Its the xbots who are always speculating about the xbox one getting even with the PS4 power with fairy tales about “teh cloud” and DX12 lol i hope it was worth it.

    • jent

      I am sure you won’t be dismissing the power of “teh cloud” when you are playing Playstation Now this summer. Try to remember that cloud computing is a powerful thing and we have no idea how much it will impact the world of gaming. As speed increases and latency decreases the eventuality will probably be that it won’t matter what box you have hooked up to your TV.

      Also have you ever thought about why it is you feel so threatened by the possibility of another rival device succeeding? Is it that you only feel good about your own decisions (purchasing a PS4) if you can lord over someone else for what you think is a poor decision (purchasing an Xbox One)?

    • Xtreme Derp

      No. Stop gobbling up cloud flavored PR feces and whining when people state facts that Xbox will never catch up in visuals.

      Playstation Now is a video streaming service, not the same thing.

      You seem personally offended that someone would correct a wrong idiot fanboy with facts.

    • jent

      I am not personally offended, if I was I wouldn’t bother posting online. I am trying to see why people make comments such as the one CervantesPR does. He seems to be determined to say that the Xbox One fans, “xbots” are just wrong about the power of the console. That may be true, but at the same time how does their being wrong hurt him. He and others (hopefully not you) just seem to get their jollies from the denigration of others. If he truly feels that the Xbox One is so bad he needs to scream it from the virtual rooftops that people who make the decision to purchase it are morons or idiots then there is just something wrong with him. Let people make the decisions that they make. Be indifferent to those decisions because they have no real affect on you. And if you must feel anything feel sorry for them. You don’t drive by a guy who has a flat tire at the side of the road and scream “loser” out the window at him? Do you?

      On another note…

      Playstation Now is designed to harness Cloud computing to allow you to play games. There is no reason that in the future it couldn’t be used to release new AAA games directly with no local resources at all. It is not a video streaming service in the same way people think of streaming services like Hulu, Amazon Instant Video, or Netflix.

    • Xtreme Derp

      “MS fanboys should be able to plague the internet with falsehoods and BS and nobody should be able to reply to them”. Okay.

    • jent

      Who are you quoting now? It certainly isn’t my post.

      Maybe I should clarify. I just think that shouting them down, belittling them, and calling them morons is not the way to get them agree with you.

    • Xtreme Derp

      Go visit misterxmedia’s blog and tell me these are people that can be reasoned with. They’re likely mentally ill.

    • james

      so what does a streaming service run on? fairy dust ? GTFO

    • Xtreme Derp

      Another dumb as bricks fanboy that can’t tell the difference between streaming service and “teh cloud will upgrade your graphics!!1”

    • first off sir nobody said it would make the graphics better. what i can get out of all this cloud computing is that you can offload certain computations to the cloud, lighting, ai etc.

      now with that being done it frees up resources locally to actually make the graphics better. if you actually take the time to use your brain and do research you’d come to the same conclusion.

      see as i see most of you on the internet are kind of stupid. and yes the ps playstation service is still powered by the cloud, since the games are stored on servers and streamed to you.

      also as the internet speeds get faster then cloud computing will actually make graphics better. i can almost say for certain that if sont said the ps would do cloud computing you guys would be all over it.

      so in conclusion if cloud computing does take off then the xbox one is more future proof then the ps4. let’s see microsoft, google, amazon, apple, nvidia, and amd seem to be into advancing cloud computing, but where is sony? still thinking that overall local power is where it’s at.

    • Xtreme Derp

      Good lord these Microsoft fanboys are so immensely dumb, wrong, and delusional.

      Keep gobbling those PR bullsh*t cloud flavored feces.

    • say what you will but it’s not just microsoft talking about cloud computing. it’s damn near the whole computer industry.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuxFGgAk_U

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCBkYj-_yWo

    • XboxGamer33

      If you present this moron with any argument he will scream like a girl and not respond. Simply insulting you because he’s 14. Don’t even bother man

    • I mean really do sony fans think that besides TVs that sony knows what’s really going on in the computer and software world?

      This is what microsoft does. They spend just about as much in r&d as sony brings in in profits.

    • Dakan45

      he is retarded what you expect?

    • Xtreme Derp

      They’re a pestilence on the internet.

    • jent

      No, they are people trying to justify their purchase and loyalty with a product just like you and Cervantes are.

    • Xtreme Derp

      No, just here to state the facts.

      Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

      Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

      PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs.

    • jent

      I really wish you were just stating the facts. I just reviewed your posting history. You use that Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages paragraph a lot. I will not dispute those facts although I know more technically minded people than I would.

      However…

      When you call people idiots, tell people who disagree with you that they are clueless and without merit, are a pestilence on the internet then you make it difficult to see any validity to your argument. You do that a lot in your posts. I think you should abandon any pretense you have that you are trying to bring enlightenment to the masses.

    • Xtreme Derp

      Deal with it, I’m here to laugh at the dumb constantly wrong fanboys, not be patient with them.

    • Dakan45

      clap clap clap

    • guest

      You are the biggest Sony fanboy I have ever seen.. Like damn, you can spout all the hardware facts that you want, but the fact is your games console is underperforming in the Games aspect

    • Xtreme Derp

      LOL no. It has plenty of quality games including superior versions of multiplatform games.

      Yet another asshurt Microsoft fanboy upset that PS4 is outselling Xbox almost 2:1 globally.

    • Stephen Perry

      “Yet another asshurt Microsoft fanboy upset that PS4 is outselling Xbox almost 2:1 globally.” Yes, in approximately quadruple the amount of markets if we’re to put global sales in perspective.

    • Xtreme Derp

      Xbox will hardly sell anything in smaller “tier 2” markets already dominated by PS3 and PS4. You have just proven how dumb, delusional, and ignorant you are by claiming “DURR PS4 IN MOAR COUNTRIES” when Xbox will sell jack and sh*t in those countries.

      PS4 6 million, Xbox 3.5 million by end of Feb 2014. PS4 will still outsell Xbox globally March 2014 despite price drops and Titanfall bundles.

      The global gap is growing wider and won’t stop, Xbox will never surpass PS4 in global sales. End of story.

      Your favorite piece of plastic is getting dominated by PS4 in sales, games performance, and dev support, causing you to harbor fevered delusions about Sony going bankrupt. Sorry, won’t happen anytime soon.

      The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to continue that trend. It’s a business failure that MS shareholders increasingly want to get rid of.

    • guest

      You do realize MS has sold more software than PS3. And software is where they make profit. I have so many posts “awaiting moderation” for you it’s hilarious

    • Xtreme Derp

      PS4 software sales are far ahead of Xbox globally, which makes sense considering they’ve sold about 3 million more consoles.

      Probably more worthless, dumb, completely wrong fanboy drivel.

    • guest

      Are you illiterate or something? I said PS3? Where in your fanboy mind are you getting PS4?

    • Xtreme Derp

      PS3/360 software totals are very close. Last gen sales aren’t relevant anymore. You’re a clueless straw grasping imbecile for even raising “360 sold more software”.

      Your favorite piece of plastic is getting dominated by PS4 in sales, games performance, and dev support, causing you to harbor fevered delusions about Sony going bankrupt. Sorry, won’t happen anytime soon.

      The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to continue that trend. It’s a business failure that MS shareholders increasingly want to get rid of.

    • guest

      And how am I suppose to take you seriously when you are using sales numbers from December to Sony’s from March. That shows so much merit on your part man… Awesome

    • Xtreme Derp

      PS4 6 million, Xbox 3.5 million by end of Feb 2014. PS4 will still outsell Xbox globally March 2014 despite price drops and Titanfall bundles.

      PS4 is probably 7 million to 4 million Xbox by end of March 2014, or 1.75:1. Still almost 2:1, dumb ignorant delusional worthless Microsoft fanboy imbecile.

    • XboxGamer33

      This is part 1 of what I said to you.. Making me get an account haha

    • XboxGamer33

      Part 2

    • XboxGamer33

      Final part. If you wanna argue some more, please do respond. You’re fallacies are humorous at best

    • Xtreme Derp

      LOL I’m not reading your delusional, WRONG fanboy essay. The facts are below, if you’re too stupid and delusional to understand them it’s not my problem.

      Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

      Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

      PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs.

      Infamous is technically superior in every way. 1080p, 35 fps average (according to DF), open world, next gen visual effects, cutscenes are mostly realtime, etc.

      If you think a 900p, 20 fps average, QTE corridor brawler with copypasted barbarian enemies and CG movie cutscenes “looks better”, that’s your dumb and delusional opinion.

      It’s still a fact PS4’s hardware is superior and its games are technically more advanced as a result.

      PS4 has the best 1st party studios in the industry, the best versions of multiplats, greater developer support including indies, and far more software and hardware sales. It’s dominating and you’re an angry, delusional, bitter fanboy child.

      PS4 6 million, Xbox 3.5 million by end of Feb 2014. PS4 will still outsell Xbox globally March 2014 despite price drops and Titanfall bundles. PS4 likely at 7 million, Xbox 4 million by end of Mar 2014. That’s 1.75:1 globally.

      Xbox will hardly sell anything in smaller “tier 2” markets already dominated by PS3 and PS4. The global gap is growing wider and won’t stop, Xbox will never surpass PS4 in global sales. End of story.

      Your favorite piece of plastic is getting dominated by PS4 in sales, games performance, and dev support, causing you to harbor fevered delusions about Sony going bankrupt. Sorry, won’t happen anytime soon.

      The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to continue that trend. It’s a business failure that MS shareholders increasingly want to get rid of.

      Constantly WRONG dumb, delusional, evil, malicious, disgusting and hateful Microsoft fanboy. You are monstrous, demented, and worthless, lying over and over. Disgusting horrifying monstrous evil worthless sack of rotten garbage. You Microsoft fanboys must eat crow for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, or live in constant delusion and denial to be so WRONG over and over and over again.

    • XboxGamer33

      I was literally rolling on the floor by your response. You fail to read FACTS, you then go on to copy and paste everything you write in other articles (do you have these saved somewhere?). You claim Infamous with a metacritic score of 81 is amazing based on graphics. And then you insult me in the last paragraph? I have dealt with fanboys before, and usually when you present them with arguments, tthey ignore or try and make themselves look smart. But you sir are amazing at ignorance. It makes me wonder how old you are? Have fun with your indies.

      Oh and smartass Phil Spencer was just named Head of Xbox by the CEO and Board of Microsoft, at least update your pathetic responses with actual merit. Please go choke on a banana or something

    • Xtreme Derp

      Another MS fanboy angry that PS4 is more powerful, has more developer support, and is outselling by ~3 million. Lots of Microsoft fanboy apologizing, denial, and damage control.

      You’re still a delusional, malicious, mentally ill, completely WRONG, and dumb as a brick fanboy imbecile.

      You’re too stupid to understand or comprehend what I typed, so you just start screaming like a child. You have nothing else, you’re a worthless sack of fanboy sh*t. Sad.

    • You are flat out wrong

      Guy’s a total cocks*cker who doesn’t know how averages on Metacritic work. But then that’s what I’ve come to expect from the Xscum.

    • Xtreme Derp

      Did you bother reading all that fanboy garbage? I didn’t.

    • Dakan45

      nah you are flat out wrong is worse.

    • Dakan45

      to be fair oddworld developers said that at some point they will be equal, so take your hate to them. PS4 owners are no less idiotic than xbone owners. Bigger fanboys for sure though

    • CervantesPR

      They can say all the want, we have other devs like hideo kojima saying otherwise. If you think that xbox one will ever catch up to PS4 with weaker hardware then keep living in dreamland with kirby. Playstation fanboys are passionate,xbox fanboys are ignorant and lack common sense as consumers they also lack dignity,nintendo fanboys are by far the most passionate and will be delusional and will dont care about nintendo constantly messing up with mediocracy.

    • Dakan45

      Kojima the guy who sold you ground zeroes? The well known troll that always lies?

      “xbox fanboys are ignorant and lack common sense as consumers they also lack dignity”

      Sorry but sony fanboys are the WORST.

      X360 had triggers they said it sucked ps4 has them, they praise it.

      they said its about the gameplay and not the graphics, now they changed their tune.

      They said its about the quality of the exsluvies not the quantity, they changed that as soon as they got lots of them.

      They bashed xbl because psn was free, now it isnt so they damage control

      They said pc indies suck, mow they are on ps4 everyone is playing them.

      Hypocrite much?

      http://www.destructoid.com/fact-ps3-fanboys-are-the-worst-149259.phtml

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iib2kZI62tE

      self entitned sony defence drones that damage control, as if sony needs help with damage control

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42lER-_bPgU

      seriously so many lies and damage controling sony and all that to make sony look good. Ofcourse if you dont agree with their sony dck suckign and dck riding then you are a xbot. Sony pony logic 101. I havent seen such a annoying fanbase before.

      Now about xbots? I agree that there is no point buying a xbox unless you blatantly hate sony, nothing on xbox is better but atleast the xbots are playing games, all i see is sony fanboys beating a dead horse 24/7 and bashing xbots when the xbots are playing the damn games, same case with nitendo.

  • jent

    You should at least be factually accurate in your article. You mention the Xbox One as being incapable of higher than 900p resolution. This is just false. You should say something more like has several high profile games running below 1080p. Also, you should define a “modest price” for a gaming pc.

    • Xtreme Derp

      When people say “able to do 1080p” they usually mean “1080p with next gen visuals” aka big AAA games that push the hardware, not racing, sports, last gen, and indie games.

    • jent

      OK if that is your definition that’s fine. The author of the article was still factually incorrect. I wish people followed your definition of usually because then most of the arguments about 1080p would simply go away. I have seen so many comments posted by people crowing about how their racing, sports, last gen or indie was in 1080p. I agree they shouldn’t be crowing about it or even surprised that their console could attain that resolution. However people do.

    • Guest

      But indie games is pretty much all PS4 has to offer….

    • Xtreme Derp

      The superior version of all AAA multiplats, Driveclub, MLB 14: The Show, Deep Down, Lily Bergamo, Uncharted 4, lots of great indie games, and unannounced 1st party studio games (Gran Turismo, God of War, etc.)

    • Guest

      Lol @ counting unannounced games like they exist to be counted. Obviously you haven’t heard about the unannounced uber 1337 XBO game running in native 4k that wins this argument hands down then.

    • Xtreme Derp

      Sony has more 1st parties and Sony announced they’re all working on PS4 games. Very safe assumption that they have lots of unannounced 1st party games to reveal.

  • Axe99

    “Are consumers genuinely concerned about resolution issues on next gen consoles or just annoyed because said consoles are yet to reach the PC’s level?”

    This just plain isn’t true – that’s enough trolling from you, Gaming Bolt. At retail, for me to get a machine that will play games at the same level (not better than, just the same) as the PS4 will cost me more than twice as much as the console. If by PC’s being better it means they cost twice as much to do the same thing, then yes, they’re better ;). If you mean better by that you could pay 3-4 times as much as a PS4 to have a noticeably better experience, then yes they’re better, _but_ my GTX 660 with an i7 3770 _can’t_ reliably do 1080p/60fps on the same games at the same level of quality – all this talk about PC’s being ahead is comparing PCs that cost 2-3 times as much as a PS4 (or XB1) – it’s an apples and oranges discussion, and to see these erroneous views presented as fact is disappointing, and reflects poorly on Gaming Bolt.

    • Xtreme Derp

      I would suggest fanboys look up how PS4 beats PC in price/performance but they’re probably incapable of simple division.

    • Stephen Perry

      If they are indeed incapable, then why don’t do the logical next step and perform that comparison in detail for everyone just so they don’t get it wrong according to you?

    • Axe99

      Because PC/Console/any stripe of fanboys have emotional blocks that separate them from the facts. They’re arguing on logic, not emotion. The only way to entangle people fighting based on logic is to disentangle the emotional snare they’ve created for themselves, and that’s a lot of work that I’m not qualified to do ;). Eurogamer’s Digital Foundry’s done a pretty good job of looking at these things so far though, well worth a look for people that are interested in facts.

    • Dakan45

      but you non fanboys get the facts wrong,

      idiot.hyprocite

    • Axe99

      Sorry Dakan, but you’ve got so much emotion clouding your reasoning that there’s no reason to engage with you. I’m not qualified to help with the emotions, and you’re not up to rational discussion. It’s nothing personal, and you shouldn’t feel bad about yourself – most folk are like this – but it’s just a bit much for me.

    • Dakan45

      but you do infact get your facts wrong and we correct you but hey we are the bad guys when we do it, live in ignorance then.

    • Xtreme Derp

      I already have, copy paste incoming.

      Price/performance:
      Wii U 250/~0.60 TF $416/TF (approximate)
      Xbox One 500/1.28 TF $390/TF
      Xbox One 300/1.28 TF $234.37/TF
      PS4 400/1.84 TF $217/TF

      Price/performance. Xbox One at $500 and 1.28 teraflops is $390.62/TF, PS4 at $400 and 1.84TF is $217.39/TF. Xbox would have to be sold at about $275 to match PS4’s price/TF.

    • rudegamer

      i can just update my graphic card but you cant upgrade consoles. you just have to buy new one. your ps4 will eventually become ps3(last gen). enjoy until then to buy another 400$ console. i would just upgrade my graphics which would be 2 times powerful than ps5

    • Dakan45

      pc beats ps4 anyday dumb and delusional fanboy

    • Dakan45

      “not better than, just the same) as the PS4 will cost me more than twice as much as the console”

      Nope you are wrong.

      Next gen consoles are weak deal with it.

  • Dakan45

    “You don’t need to play hundreds of dollars for that”

    No you dont need to “play” anything, just stop being a idiot.


 

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