Backwards Compatability With Original PS4 Will Be A Major Problem For PS4 Pro Going Forward, Says Vikings Dev

“The market may become a bit overpopulated.”

Posted By | On 25th, Nov. 2016 Under News | Follow This Author @Pramath1605


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Update: The headline has been updated to correctly reflect the story.

Original story:

The PS4 Pro is now a thing, which means we can stop speculating about its impact on the market, and start actually analyzing that. One of the ways we do that is by talking to the developers who are working on games for the PS4, and asking them any questions we have about the PS4 Pro directly. So when we had a chat with Peter Nagy, CEO and Head of development at Gamesfarm, the folks currently developing Vikings: Wolves of Midgard, we decided to ask him some questions we have about the PS4 Pro.

We asked him, for instance, what he foresaw the PS4 Pro’s greatest weakness being- would it be the CPU, which had always been the weak link on the PS4, but would be even more so on the Pro, given the extent of improvements all other aspects of the console got? Nagy, however, felt that it would be something else entirely- it didn’t have to do with anything wrong with the architecture of the PS4 Pro itself, it had to do with the PS4 Pro’s compatibility mandate.

“The major problem for us as the developers is that there is going to be line-up of different but still same consoles with mandatory backwards compatibility,” he said. “So it only adds more requirements we have to take care of instead of focusing on the development. Tuning the game to a single platform is well possible; but tuning the game to multiple performance wise different platforms is very annoying and requires additional costs without any real gameplay benefits beyond some visual improvements. I understand that incoming VR and 4K has different needs but the market may become a bit overpopulated with income of XBOX ONE S and Project Scorpio.”

That said, he did also sound off on what specific weaknesses on the PS4 Pro would be, in his opinion- he pointed out that the memory and CPU would probably become bottlenecks for PS4 development going forward, even on PS4 Pro.

“I consider CPU and memory as primary drawbacks for PS4 – we already experienced certain performance issues during Vikings: Wolves of Midgard development… This did not improve a lot with PS4 Pro,” he said.

This is another admission from developers that having to support an additional SKU might be a problem, and I can empathize with them to an extent- I take note of the fact that so far, smaller developers have been the ones who have exclusively pointed out this problem at all. That said, as I have pointed out before numerous times, iterative consoles are the way of the future, and this transition period, while inevitably painful, is a necessary evil. I also cannot fault Sony for their overly conservative policies mandating compatibility with the PS4 Pro- they are treading new ground here, and they don’t want to alienate 50 million PS4 owners. I get it.

So, while I feel Nagy’s pain here, I must assert that I personally also feel that the PS4 Pro (and the Scorpio) are both blazing the trail for the future, and that the painful teething period will be worth it in the long run.


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  • Hvd

    there is no parity.the ps4 runs better then the ps4 pro.whats going on with the pro is what many people have said way before it launched.5-6 year old jaguar cpu is bottle necking the new polaris gpu.

    its not rocket science

    • Agent_Blade

      Don’t you have anything better to do? Seriously…

    • Hvd

      and you have no common sense do you?..lol

    • Agent_Blade

      With your comment history… You are in no position to be telling anyone they don’t have common sense.

    • Hvd

      lets see common sense says with a 5 years old cpu and a new polaris gpu combine you get a bottle neck.fact.

      as usual you arnt intelligent enough to keep up.ill call cerny and have him explain it to you on your level.

    • Agent_Blade

      And yet the PS4 can display games in at least 900p and most games in 1080p as opposed to your 720p underpowered wind-up jack in the box. Quit talking smack. Scorpio isn’t out yet.

      Then again you still might find some way to still makes yourself look like a moron.

    • crazy_black_man-

      I had a vision of a kid winding up his Xbox One to play it. Too funny!

    • Mark

      Upvoted lol

    • Agent_Blade

      Haha 1+

    • Aenea

      Once again you show that you’re just a troll. Don’t be silly and stop saying things that aren’t true. Then again, it’s you….

    • Mr Xrat

      More Xgimp desperation.

    • Michael

      More ponyisms.

    • Agent_Blade

      More plain straight up losers.

    • crazy_black_man-

      The ‘pony’ thing. See, it’s not quite an insult. It doesn’t sting, or have any type of effect. Its kind of embarrassing when a grown adult says something so utterly stupid. Its got kind of a kindergarten vibe to it. Dont you ever feel stupid saying it? You really should.

    • extermin8or2

      *Sigh* there have been some bugs. Most of the games with the issues with literally 2 fps less occasionally have been promptly.patched and the issues fixed. I’m sure the remaining titles will be too. Your right it isn’t rocket science. But apparently it still wasn’t straightforward enough for you….

    • Barry Harden

      Same HVD idiot that pollutes the forum.

      here are the FACTS:

      PS4 outperforms the XBone and XBone S.
      PS4 Pro outperforms the XBone and XBone S.

      Simple enough.

  • hiawa23

    Well, unless the PS5 is coming out in the coming year, devs will have to make the games work with what the console tech specs will allow just like always.

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      All the while gimping it for the lesser capable machine….. Tell me….?? How is that going to work out in games online where frames per second, textures and resolution are able to give you a clear advantage.?? Are they going to gimp the pro for parity reasons as to not alienate their original adopters.?? Are they going to give less attention to the original PS4?

      Taking advantage of the “tech” available would mean that utilizing said power would mean having to omit something somewhere on some system in some way. For performance/parity sake.

      I personally can not wait for the first game to launch that has “Pro” requirements to play, or to just play online in some manner….

    • hiawa23

      I stay away from the what ifs. They do something similar with the different PC specs, so I really don’t see why such an issue for the Pro. I am enjoying my Pro and the benefits it has over the base model. I just play the games, so devs will have to figure it out. Not really a concerned of mine.

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      This statement “coming from a DEV!!” Just isn’t enough for people to understand things are heading toward parity ridden waters. You do know what was said in the article right…!? From that “developer…?” You say “I just play games, so devs will have to figure it out….” Well I guess this developer is saying there will be issues. Possibly just alienation of the initial adopters. I personally will not spend that much money on a setup just for a half baked 4K experience. One of which I’ve been experiencing far beyond what is even thought of being offered on this console for many years.

      Omission of the 4K player was a deal breaker to me….on top of having to buy a new tv “in order to utilize” the full features of my new stream box. Maybe once these companies actually deliver on what they have promised from the beginning I’ll buy more into it…otherwise I’ll just keep on watching that hype train blow by while saving that money.

      Just love how Sony especially shoots their feet off with this console regarding their last system entirely. “Entertainment system” was what they sold the PS3 as, but today they offer a “gaming console!!” Ha! Yeah because that is what we TRULY just want in our gaming boxes….nothing else. The PS4 from launch was a step back in time and has been since then, but hey it plays them games. Sony is back and forth and I personally think they took the wrong direction with their early release of this PRO garbage. Especially with the myriad of support issues flying out of the gate regarding their PRO and “connectivity…!”

      To quick to jump the gun. All the while without proper technical support upon launch with their patch breaking feature set. Consoles with as many issues if not more than a PC….. I’ll stick with the PC and the real advantages they offer…right down to the mods and ability to replay a game numerous times with a different feel to it alltogether.

  • kma99

    #noparity

  • crazy_black_man-

    GamingBolt removed one of my comments just yesterday criticizing the Xbox Scorpio for its parity mandate to the original Xbox One, just to write up this lame hit piece on the PS4 Pro today. There was no profanity in my comment so I wondered why it was removed, and here we are today with their own version of what I wrote, but instead they put the focus on the PS4 Pro.

    These guys have no shame. I totally expect to see another “this comment is being approved by Gamingbolt” right now.

    • -youjustgotburned-
    • crazy_black_man-

      Good job! Does that feel good?

    • crazy_black_man-

      LOL! I have to laugh. That’s classic.

    • Michael

      They removed your post because no one can translate pony latin…lol

    • crazy_black_man-

      That was…..terrible. Just awful. You’re that one guy who always sits alone at lunchtime.

    • d0x360

      I replied to him but I meant to reply to you, now his head is HUGE because I senpai notice me from this weirdo.

      The post they deleted was just a Sony fanboy screed with lots of insulting Microsoft. It was nothing NOTHING like the article written here.

    • crazy_black_man-

      Listen, I understand being a fanboy and all, but it is simply NOT your job to viciously defend Microsoft from another person’s criticisms. I understand being in disagreeance, but you’re acting like a little b***h.

      You’re actually taking the criticism to a childlike emotional level. So what if somebody doesn’t like how MS does business or how they manufacture their console hardware? Why are YOU so offended by these criticisms? You’re obviously an intelligent geeky techy type person, but these are just consumer electronics, son. Why would you harbor so much hatred over someone not completely falling in love with Phil Spencer, and your Xbox? You really need to grow up a bit. Its just games and hardware man. That’s all it is.

    • Barry Harden

      You have to look closely at who’s paying for the advertising on GamingBolt. Do remember that GamingBolt is a hack site put together quickly in India for low cost reasons and it’s become a mouthpiece to whoever pays into its ad revenues.

    • crazy_black_man-

      I use Firefox with adblock on both my pc and my phone. I’m able to avoid most of the ads altogether. But now that you mentioned it, I’m curious.

    • d0x360

      Yea I bet what you wrote is identical and was in no way just a Sony fanboy rant

    • crazy_black_man-

      I guess we’ll never know now, will we Dilbert?

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      Exactly what I got…….

  • -youjustgotburned-

    So same situation like the Xbox Scorpio then. I think this parity thing won’t grow and devs will use all the power each console has to make their games look great. The resolution will always be different and fps on multiplayer will be similar most likely.

    • crazy_black_man-

      Pretty much. But the Scorpio is supposedly a bigger deal. What I had originally said yesterday was that the Scorpio shouldn’t have a parity mandate. It should have its own exclusives seeing as it is supposed to be a bigger jump in resources than what the Pro is compared to the PS4. I also don’t be surprised if it is deemed the eventual name of “The Xbox Two”, as I can’t seem them calling it the “Xbox Pro”. Anyhoo…

    • ShowanW

      sony and Microsoft can rix this easy enough

      PS4 can have “Pro Only” mode when playing multi player.
      only ps4 Pro users can be in the group, and the net code scans ur hardware to ensure that it meets Pro requirements

      when in single player everything is automatically Pro Mode

      (same with project scorpio)

      if u paying top dollar for the box, I want the option of top dollar performance. there would simply be moments where I want to play every mode in top spec, even if there days where I’m not playing with friends and family…

    • crazy_black_man-

      Yes. Very intuitve.

    • Barry Harden

      You’ll be dividing the player base. I really don’t think that’s a good idea. Better off just making sure the PS4 Pro has no advantage over the PS4 in multiplayer so that only means the frame rates have to match on both versions but you can increase the visuals on the Pro.

    • ShowanW

      Multiple options is not division…

      Im sure there will be millions who want to seee erything in Pro Mode, even if that means having a “Pro Only” multiplayer option.

      Why can there be a Pro Everything iption as well as play with PS4 (base) players?

    • J.j. Barrington

      If you make it so one hardware set can exclude itself from playing with the other, you’re splitting the base.

      C’mon, man.

    • ShowanW

      And if u dont, ur telling people who expect to see top performance in every aspect of their $400 box, that they cant have it because of fear is short changing people as well…

      Nothing wrong with more options on the Top Premium Box

      Edit: So Sony is basically saying Pro is only for performance gains in single player games… well that sucks

    • BillyHoWCR

      Except MS has already stated Scorpio will have a parity mandate.

    • crazy_black_man-

      They said it early on. I just think the Scorpio should be their next gen premium Xbox with its own exclusives, but still be backwards compatible. There is no reason it should be handicapped by the Xbox One. Call it the Xbox Two and market the heck out of it. Cut your losses on the Xbox One ever being a success with gamers. Start over. Hard reset. Give up on Windows 10 gaming. Steam already owns pc gaming.

  • efnet

    Im just waiting for games to be developed specifically to take advantage of the hardware in the correct way, i mean im in no hurry at the moment seeing as how my ps4 pro is still misbehaving, but im sure the issues will be ironed out before anything worthwhile releases.

  • Luke Skywalker

    interesting bit about memory and cpu

    • Mark

      Well yeah, if u upgrade ur GPU by 2 times the power, but barely upgrade the CPU, RAM and Bandwidth, then that can be an issue with hitting higher frames, or even higher resolution, oddly enough.

  • Riggybro

    Considering they are making a PC version with all its different configurations plus “minimum” to “recommend” specs… surely making one more version for PS Pro isn’t too much of a hassle is it?

    And let’s be honest working with ANY of the current consoles means working with junk CPU’s what difference does a slightly less junk PS Pro CPU make?

  • Mr Xrat

    Just as we’ve been saying for the last ever when it comes to these upgrades. Thanks for the lame base hardware, Don.

  • TPoppaPuff

    I don’t think Pramath understands what the term “necessary” means.

  • Hvd

    wrong the problem with the pro is what many have said the bottle neck from the 5 year old jaguar cpu with new polaris gpu.also its how sony is doing things with that pos ps4 pro.reauires a pro patch for up scale?thats bs.

    they should have never made the ps4 pro.

    • ShowanW

      I got a PS4PRO…

      And as much criticism you throw towards Sony, Im gonna have to agree with you on the CPU front.

      Using the current Jaguar CPU I think is a bigger issue than not having a UHD player put in.

      Mark Cerny is basically a genius, he could have easily upgraded the CPU and still have every current PS4 -base game run without issue.

      Im gonna take a stab at this was Sony Corp as a whole putting Budget Restraints on Mr Cerny. So he worked with what he got

    • Hvd

      cerny is a liar the ps4 pro has 8.4 tflops and the ps4 and ps4 slim has hdr which isnt true.hdr requires hdmi port 2.0 and thr sp4 and slim doesnt have it so there for they dont have hdr.

      it isnt that hard to see the lies.

    • Aenea

      People who don’t actually listen see lies where there are none…

      Cerny and Sony never lied about HDR and the tflops. That you don’t want to accept how it works is your problem you silly Xbox fan who has no life and therefor trolls every Sony article…

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      Wow…….. Take the blinders off….

    • Aenea

      The HDR is possible on the standard PS4 but the explanation for it is apparently being ignored by some anti-Sony folk like Hvd.

      The 8.4 Tflops is not a lie either if you actually read what Cerny said about it but of course the same anti-Sony crowd does not want to believe such a thing.

      So yeah, perhaps you should get yourself informed instead! Ohh, and remove your blinders and don’t just look at the anti-Sony comments/articles…

  • Rafoca

    Ouch

    • J.j. Barrington

      Some of you guys are absolutely horrible at this trolling thing.

  • d0x360

    One of the biggest things I can’t understand is why Sony only added a gig of memory to the system and that’s memory games can’t use. Meanwhile Microsoft added 4 gigs to the Scorpio, all usable by games.

    I know Sony doesn’t have tons of money and adding ram is very expensive when you consider it’s being bought for potentially 10s of millions of units but not adding it just increases the CPU weakness.

    Barely Overclocking those Jaguar cores was not the answer but because Sony did ps4 pro and psvr at the same time they both suffered in some way with the pro suffering more by not being big enough of an upgrade to make it worth it for consumers and especially developers

    • crazy_black_man-

      All in all, at some point the upgraded Pro becomes the standard PS4 console. I have no doubt that Sony made the console that they intended to make. I’m still completely happy with what I’m getting out of the original base model on a 1080p plasma tv. Good enough for me, but guys like you that upgrade their computer gpu 5 times a year will never be happy with anything. 1080p gaming is still plenty enough for most people today.

    • d0x360

      Dude don’t bother writing words to me I’ll never read them. I have you 100 changes for civil discussion and you sperged out like a fanboy every time, tossing insults and made up nonsense.

      Go find yourself a 13 year old who will fall for your crap.

      Sad too cause behind all that crazy there are some good thoughts rattling around.

    • crazy_black_man-

      My goodness. You sound hurt and wounded. Don’t be so sensitive. You are an anonymous person on the internet but somehow I feel like I can see you…crying. Wait. Are you crying?

    • d0x360

      I love the expanded notifications in android these days. I see an email, I see who it’s from and without reading more than a couple words…archived.
      Technology is amazing!

    • crazy_black_man-

      Considering you originally responded to a comment I made to someone else before you had this little public tantrum, one might look at you as the crazy one.

    • J.j. Barrington

      “One of the biggest things I can’t understand is why Sony only added a gig of memory to the system and that’s memory games can’t use.”

      They explained quite clearly why they did that; it’s on you if you don’t understand.

      “I know Sony doesn’t have tons of money and adding ram is very expensive”

      Ah, trolling. Nevermind, then.

  • J.j. Barrington

    How about updating the story to reflect that it’s BS?

  • agent13

    the best solution for developers is that they develop games for ps4 first and then upgrade it’s graphics and visuals on ps4 pro. it has been a lot of years since developers are doing this for PC (multy platform games).

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      The what do you do with the devs that do not want to give all of what is possible to the pro because they have extinguished resources on the original…??

  • J.j. Barrington

    What’s the bad news?

    • Rafoca

      I wonder if people who troll can also be haters.

      I know you have expertise, so tell me

    • J.j. Barrington

      Trolls usually are haters. Indeed, most people are haters of one thing or another.

      I’ve no experience with the troll part, but I DO know what being a hater is like. After all, I hate trolls.

    • Rafoca

      Hahaha aren’t you clever?

    • crazy_black_man-

      He is. Very. You’d be wise not to mess with him.

    • J.j. Barrington

      I am. Thanks for noticing.

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      Haters gonna hate…. I guess if I paid money for something and was constantly lied to I’d be a bitter person too….. Just saying.

    • Rafoca

      That’s something to consider

  • From the get go I knew Sony shafted their fans & it goes to show they suck. They clearly rushed it out with fake 4k which last Gen & this Gen they couldn’t give gamers games that did 1080 60fps & they want us to believe 4k native!?…The nerve at Sony corps for this!

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      I know right…

  • born_naughty

    I don’t understand the problem. If you don’t use the PS4 Pro features then it just acts like a normal PS4, so no additional work is needed to make it compatible. If you don’t want to or can’t put in the extra effort then simply don’t do it and focus on a game made for PS4 and nothing else. You just said it yourself: it won’t ad any gameplay benefits anyway.

  • Paul

    This shouldn’t be a major problem for any developer that works on the PC, like some have said, it’s just adding another one or two new configurations to it all and considering how many different configurations options we have on PC with hardware and software, it shouldn’t be a problem these new consoles, even more so if the developers develop from the top down, so from PC downwards, it’s much easier to scale software down than up.


 

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