Valve Games Coming To Xbox One, May Use Dedicated Servers

Take this with a massive grain of salt but game enthusiasts have uncovered interesting findings.

Posted By | On 08th, Aug. 2014 Under News | Follow This Author @GamingBoltTweet


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Update: Some of the code mentioned in the original article is left over code from but the user did found new code references which are only present in engine2.dll.

Yesterday a group of game enthusiasts uncovered that Dota 2 Workshop Tools is actually a soft launch for Source Engine 2. A Reddit user did a great job of delving deeper into the Workshop Tools’ and found out some interesting points that indicate presence of Source 2 files. But that is not all.

On further investigation, it was revealed that the engine might be coming to Xbox One. As revealed by a NeoGaf user, the files had references to Xbox dashboard and dedicated servers. The code below the post states the following: “(Only used when hosting xbox games). Send clients updates at the same time. This saves CPU because the server will encode and calc deltas on less frames,” and “Dedicated Server for Xbox. Not using STEAM.”

On further investigation of the comments, we see statements for APIs that are being used to test connectivity between Xbox One and Steam. Debug messages such as this, “Failed to connect to xboxsystem,” are a clear giveaway.

It is important to note that all of this information should be taken with a massive grain of salt but what we can assume is that there might be an application under works that might allow users to stream Steam games to Xbox One or it might simply mean Dota 2 is coming to the console.

What are your thoughts on this? Let us know in the comments section below.

“xbox_dashboard_music”
{
“data_type” “float”
“value” “1.0”
}

(Only used when hosting xbox games). Send clients updates at the same time. This saves CPU because the server will encode and calc deltas on less frames

Dedicated Server for Xbox. Not using STEAM.

XboxSystemInterface001

CXboxSystem::EnumerateAchievements
c:\buildslave\source2_dota_rel_win64\build\src\engine2\xboxsystem.cpp

gameui_xbox

ERROR: CSource2Server::Connect – Failed to connect to xboxsystem

XboxDialogs.res / resource/UI/XboxDialogs.res

game/dota_imported/resource/ui/xboxdialogs.res@2166751

Thanks, Reddit and NeoGaf.


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  • Thinkaboutit

    Probably not true but it would be cool if it was 🙂

  • You are flat out wrong’s mom

    all xbone games have the potential to use dedicated servers tho, but the most interesting part is valve games on xbone would be awesome.

  • Ippoletta

    Being able to play All of Valves game on the Xbox One would be awesome. i would have taken Valve Access just like EA access. but Steam as a whole would be great too. if not, we’ll just have Valve Access.

    • bigshynepo

      Valve doesn’t make enough games for an “access” program on it’s own.
      How can you charge for a subscription program if you barely publish one title per year?

    • Ippoletta

      Valve has a few games to put in their Access program. more than EA has right now in fact. count all of Valves existing games on the 360 and the ones that they haven’t released yet.

      pretty much everything from the orange box, counter strike. Half life 1. both left 4 dead games. killing floor….. ill need to double check on that last one.

    • bigshynepo

      Games Valve has published in total (zero for next gen)
      —————————————

      Half-life (and expansions)
      Half-life 2 (and expansions)
      Counter-strike (and expansions)
      Team Fortress Classic
      Team Fortress 2
      Day of Defeat
      Portal
      Portal 2
      Left for Dead
      Left for Dead 2
      DOTA 2
      —————————————-
      EA has ALREADY PUBLISHED for next gen (countless in total)
      —————————————-
      BF4
      EA UFC
      Fifa 14
      Madden 25
      NBA Live 14
      Need for Speed: Rivals
      (plus many coming out in mere weeks.)

      With countless hundreds in their library and many more in the pipeline, this is how publishers can offer a competing subscription service for their games. With ZERO games announced or released for PS4/XBONE, there is nothing for Valve to offer the subscriber.

      Are you saying you’d pay $5-$10 a month to play games from generations ago? Not sure what your logic in this is, PC-Style Steam won’t hit consoles this generation or probably ever.

    • Ippoletta

      Yes, i will pay that much. i would rather they’d port the games over on disc. but if not. then ill gladly pay to play both left 4 dead’s both portals and both half life’s. this access services are for people who really love the games.

    • bigshynepo

      If you’re waiting for a “Valve Access”, don’t hold your breath. If these games get “ported” or Remastered for next-gen, you can bet they will be full releases a la Tomb Raider/TLoU and not offered on a subscription basis.

    • The_Hero

      Don’t get your hopes up.
      These are just remnants codes from when they were developing on the Xbox 360.
      There’s always a possibility for Valve games to get release on these new consoles.

    • Ippoletta

      Nope, modders have said that these codes are linked to the source 2 engine.

  • andy

    Would be better if it was PS4 since they already proved they can do awesome things with cross save and play between Portal 2 players on PS3 and PC.

    • Ippoletta

      No, not really, Valve has history with Microsoft (especially Gabe) and can use DX12 for steam and steam boxes. Microsoft wasn’t going to put games on steam for no reason. and they certainly wont let them use DX12 without a compromise. PS is completely out of the picture here and besides nobody found coding for any PS4 version of anything. why is that?…

      you lucked out getting portal 2 because Valve was going to make that PC and Xbox only. but Microsoft didn’t want steam works on the 360 discs.

    • demfax

      If Valve games come to console they’ll probably be multiplatform on both PS4 and Xbox.

      Steam OS is based on Linux, there’s no way to run DirectX12 on it. Your conspiracy theory is baseless.

      Playstation 4 is easy to code for, very open to developers looking to publish on it, and has a significant marketshare. Playstation is completely in the picture for developers.

    • Ippoletta

      Again, not if they made a deal/partnership with Microsoft.

    • demfax

      3rd parties are more likely to go multiplatform than make Xbox exclusive deals.

    • Ippoletta

      Then why are they (3rd parties) making exclusive deals? you make no sense and sound salty. not my problem. i can also see Gabe just wanting to take advantage of them free dedicated servers.

    • demfax

      SteamOS uses Linux, it can’t run DirectX12 games. SteamOS isn’t going to run Windows 8 or 9 by default, the entire point of Steamboxes is to get away from Windows.

      They would make much more money going multiplatform. Just like EA would have made much more money putting Titanfall on PS3/4 in addition to other platforms.

      It’s clear XB1’s smaller customer base is crippling exclusive game sales compared to PS4 which is outselling it almost 2:1 globally. This isn’t a good sign for other XB1 exclusive games. Multiplatform games regularly sell 2:1 or more on PS4 compared to XB1.

      If the PS4 version outsells Xbox One version 2:1, that means they’d triple their sales by adding PS4 in addition to Xbox One. Instead of selling 1 they’d sell 3, or instead of selling 10000 total they’d sell 30000 total.

      Exclusive 3rd party games will become increasingly difficult for MS to secure. Instead 3rd parties will increasingly go multiplatform. Titanfall 2, Dead Rising 4, Ryse 2, etc. will almost certainly be multiplatform. 3rd parties don’t want to make Xbox exclusive games anymore when PS4 has such a commanding marketshare.

      All signs are pointing to MORE multiplatform games, not less.

    • Ippoletta

      I’m not going to go back and forth with you so ill cut this short. I know that the steam box can dual boot, Gabe said it himself. so if they wanted to use Windows, they could.

      Xbox one’s 5 million base is small, but that’s why they release on PC and Xbox to make up for that. besides if this deal is true. that will just help to sell more Xbox Ones, like Halo MCC.

      sony is only selling so much because they are in 70+ countries so i’m not going to go there.

      we’ll discuss this later on when Microsoft releases to everywhere else next month.

      Capcom was pleased with Dead rising 3’s performance. and hit their goal. Ryse 2 will be made once the install base grows, thanks to it being on PC now. and i don’t know about Titanfall 2, EA probably wont give sony the sequel anyways for being jerks about EA access.

      but i guess sony fanboys can keep getting their hopes up for getting Xbox exclusives. i guess they aren’t happy with their own.

    • Guest

      I’m not going to go back and forth with you so ill cut this short. I know that the steam box can dual boot, Gabe said it himself. so if they wanted to use Windows, they could.

      Xbox one’s 5 million base is small, but that’s why they release on PC and Xbox to make up for that. besides if this deal is true. that will just help to sell more Xbox Ones, like Halo MCC.

      sony is only selling so much because they are in 70+ countries so i’m not going to go there.

      we’ll discuss this later on when Microsoft releases to everywhere else next month.

      Capcom was pleased with Dead rising 3’s performance. and hit their goal. Ryse 2 will be made once the install base grows, thanks to it being on PC now. and i don’t know about Titanfall 2, EA probably wont give sony the sequel anyways for being rude about EA access.

    • ProcHoliday
    • Ippoletta

      N4G fanboy click bait. playstation isn’t getting Ryse or the sequel.

    • demfax

      Not the original Ryse, but probably Ryse 2 if it’s ever made.

      “And the right timing means higher installed base across next-gen. We can do whatever we want with it with whoever we want.”

      ACROSS next-gen. That means multiple next gen platforms. Aka PS4 AND Xbox. He’s quite clearly saying they aren’t restricted to any one platform with the Ryse IP, which suggests they’ll go multiplat.

      Crytek already rejected Microsoft’s offer to buy the Ryse IP and fund Ryse 2. If they wanted to stick with Xbox they would have taken the offer.

      3rd parties will increasingly go multiplatform to account for PS4’s sales lead. Titanfall 2, Ryse 2, Dead Rising 4, etc. That’s reality, sorry.

    • Ippoletta

      I don’t think so, but i found this, what does this mean exactly? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-07/japan-shame-index-dumps-sony-stock-adds-panasonic.html

    • demfax

      It means nothing you would understand.

      3rd parties will increasingly go multiplatform to account for PS4’s sales lead. Titanfall 2, Ryse 2, Dead Rising 4, etc. That’s reality, sorry.

    • extermin8or2

      Sony has more sales because it’s in more countries however this doesn’t explain the month after month of higher sales in the usa and uk formerly places xbox owned the market and not small margins either even when the price dropped Sony have always owned Europe and still do market wise they also have asia and Japan isn’t really doing much but once a few jrpgs etc release Japan is a given too and China is irrelevant to all of us because most games will be banned there so most publishers and Ms and Sony will have to treat it as an entirely seperate market altogether.also if ea were so passed off about Ea access why give ps plus crisis 3 free and many games with significant discounts this month
      Ea won’t really care the market leader is the market leader they only care about money.

    • demfax

      This is just more baseless “MS is gonna have all the exclusives because moneyhats and directx!” nonsense that’s been going on all gen.

      It’s even LESS likely now that PS4 has a huge portion of console marketshare and games like Ryse, DR3, and possibly Halo remake are headed for PC.

      It’s obvious former 3rd party exclusives like Ryse 2, Titanfall 2, etc. will be headed to PS3/4 in addition to Xbox and PC.

      Tier 2 countries will do very little for Xbox sales. An extra 5-10% a month at most after the launch month. Xbox has almost no presence outside of the 13 countries they already launched in, and they’re losing in those markets as well. The global picture is accurate as-is.

      Xbox One will never catch up in global sales. PS4’s 1st place is secured. September is going to be a mountain of crow when PS4 outsells Xbox globally and in the USA yet again.

    • Al Simons

      “I’m not going to go back and forth with you so ill cut this short. I
      know that the steam box can dual boot, Gabe said it himself. so if they
      wanted to use Windows, they could.”

      Its perfectly possible but people arent going to be doing that.

    • extermin8or2

      Song’s q1 figures show ps4 outsold xbox one world wide 3:1 in q1. Valve woukd be insane to not release on PlayStation not when Sony will allow steam integration for the games and Ms won’t.

    • Thinkaboutit

      Gotta love the worldwide argument.

    • ProcHoliday

      Totally, because the only country that matters is the USA right!? USA! USA! USA!

    • demfax

      The worldwide sales picture is accurate as-is. Tier 2 countries will do very little for global Xbox sales.

      Xbox is a weak global brand outside of US and UK, and it can’t even take those two markets.

      September is going to be a mountain of crow for certain people constantly screaming about 72 vs 13 countries.

    • Feez_22

      Valve will NEVER release steam OS on playstation. Also, sony would NEVER allow steam OS on their console.

      I don’t know if some of you sony fans just started gaming on sony platforms late in the ps3’s gen or early ps4 gen, but you have to realize that sony will never ever introduce a linux based operating system on their console ever again.

      Yes. Ever again. The ps3 actually had linux support at one time. I bought mine with linux installed. Sony removed linux in an update because some hacker found a way to hack the ps3 using linux as a back alley gateway (giving people the ability to play pirated games). When sony took linux away, hackers got super pissed and thus SUPER HACKED the console (remember that time when you couldn’t go online and millions of people’s credit card information was compromised? sony gave that package of free games and ps+ for a month to pay us back for their shoddy security).

      What makes you think sony would risk that from happening again? Sony isn’t good with software, security and stopping exploits which is why they will now have to reject any game service from competitors (valve, ea, linux, capcom, etc) not to mention that those would cannibalize ps now sales. Thus, it will never happen. period.

    • extermin8or2

      Never said they’d have steam OS on PlayStation they won’t Sony and Ms wouldn’t switch from their own os’s I merely stated that as the market leader and as their games have to be developed for Linux already aswell as windows porting to a ps4 would be justices easy as people are saying going to xb1 would be for them
      Ofc ps4is easier to port to anyway but let’s not get into that. My point was if any valve games are coming to xbox they will also bebop PlayStation especially as Sony will let them have cross platform steam support on that game. Also only reason any valve games were ever exclusive to xbox was because valve hate ps3 architecture. No other reason it was their choice.

    • Devil’sAdvacateInTheDetails

      Microsoft has enough corporate money to subsidize lost ps4 sales. And due to the fact they “are” PC. Also the Xbox runs more like a PC, since 8gb ddr3 ram + dedicated graphics = super charged laptop, then the ps4 8gb Gddr5 and more power. Besides the fact PC game sales are the Phoenix, where good old games sell more copies then many new console AAA titles just based on the fact every college kid has a laptoplaptop. So considering: in two to three years laptops will probably be as good as the Xbox one and by then 3rd party exclusiveity contracts have usually expired, like BioShock’s 1 year or so; you get a longer term cash cow and no little to no port costs for PC. By the way I own a ps4 and not an Xbox one and understand that due to Sony as a company being on life support. Microsoft sees Sony easy prey. Not Actually in consoles, just in a general antitrust, crush Netscape, kind of way.

      PS if I remember right Forbes, Wall Street Journal, and several independent news sources have all done studies to show 2-10 times more gamers use PC then console and up to 80% of sales of many crossover game titles occur on PC, and usually with only slightly less, but sometimes equal or greater then, profits. Plus the digital distribution and lack of proprietary fees of $5-10 a game plus physical store margins make a $50 PC game more then the $4x dollars there make on console, though they do have higher add-on margins on console.
      Steam probably wants the options of starting a Netflix like game service so they wrote a potential back door for Xbox One.

    • demfax

      3rd parties will increasingly go multiplatform to account for PS4’s sales lead. Titanfall 2, Ryse 2, Dead Rising 4, etc.

      Nothing you say is going to happen, PS4 is not going to be shut out of 3rd party next gen games. If anything, PS4 will get more 3rd party games in the future not less.

      Xbox doesn’t have unlimited access to Microsoft’s money. They have a budget, and MS shareholders aren’t eager to pour more billions into a brand that has never turned a net profit.

      There will be no parity if PS4’s stronger hardware is being pushed. In essentially every way, the PS4’s hardware is more powerful than the XBO’s.

    • JudgeLOL

      Don’t waste your breath with this multiple account troll hard for Sony Pony(demfax) he will never listen to reason let alone think… he will just copy and paste the same comment non stop since he has no argument.

    • extermin8or2

      Steam boxes are 3rd party made gaming pcs running steam OS and marketed for gaming a steambox running windows would just be a gaming pc… Its like the android ecosystem in many ways, many manufacturers using the same OS except they won’t be tweaking steam OS much if at all.

    • Jessika S.

      Don’t hold your breath, I think this just means that Dota 2 is coming to Xbox™ One. Right now Valve is much more concern with getting The Steam Box in people’s homes (65 Million Steam Users, myself included) then they are with wasting man power porting games over. You DX12 is not the end all be all there is also Mantle.

    • Feez_22

      To be frank, mantle isn’t all that. It does help performance but has been known to produce muddy and foggy graphics

      Also, mantle can only be used with amd gfx core next cards (I own an amd gfx card and have used mantle in bf4) so that would eliminate more than half of the pc gaming community that uses nvidia cards. I guess that means it can be used with the xb1/ps4 as an API (if they are gfx core nxt) but meh… dx will remain the standard until someone comes out with something that blows it out of the water (which hasn’t happened yet) & is compatible with both nvidia and amd cards like dx has been.

    • JudgeLOL

      “65 Million Steam Users, myself included”… why would people that already have PC’s buy a Steam Box? If they are going to spend $400 to $600 for the box they are better spending that money on a new graphics card or something.

    • Jessika S.

      I’m for it, I love my PC but it will be cool to just have the option.

    • Ippoletta

      Steam OS will not take off, ive seen countless PC fans saying that they will stick with their standard gaming PC’s. if Valve senses that the sales will Be lukewarm for their Linux boxes then they’ll need to have a backup plan and that plan will be Microsoft.

      the PS4 is easy to code for, for now. but the Xbox One will be even easier to code for once universal apps comes out.

      sony sure wasn’t open to EA for EA access. what makes you think they’ll be open to yet another similar service or steam at all? like i said, playstation is completely out of the picture. sony doesnt have a leading Computer OS, or a Leading API, like i said Gabe is a PC man. and he wants whats best for PC. besides they’re already familiar with Xbox territory.

    • Al Simons

      as a former windows user and a current linux user, i disagree.Once support arrives for games, more people will migrate over to linux.

    • Ippoletta

      Lol, sure. people like you need to let the pipe dream go. Windows will always be the go to OS. for just about everything.

    • Left 4 dead is on Playstation ? Didn’t know that.

    • extermin8or2

      And it’s OS is based on a Linux (open bsd) so uses open Gl just like valves own steam OS…

    • DLConspiracy//

      “Steam OS is based on Linux”

      Actually Steambox’s are only running Linux, but the beta patch update has the availablity to add windows to your steambox now too. I know because my buddy has a Steambox. The Steam OS is not limited to only LINUX. Nor is the Steambox now.

    • ProcHoliday

      Dude I totally have friends that have stuff too. My friend’s uncle has a friend that has a steambox and an oculus rift, and he said that he’s friends with a guy that works at Microsoft and that thing is totally happening.

    • DLConspiracy//

      So, someone I hang out with is a distant 4th generation friend to you? A guy who brings his steam box over to my house and shares his games with me via family share over steam? Gotcha. Love the sarcasm.

    • extermin8or2

      My point is no steam boxes are coming preloaded with windows like the guy I was replying to implied. Then they wouldn’t be a steam box. Steam boxes are pcs runningbsteam OS. As such you can dual boot or whatever if you wish but you need the license key for a windows which you would need to buy
      Alternatively install steam OS on your pc and it’s technically a steam box.

    • bigshynepo

      No one is signing their cherry IPs to exclusivity with MS, publishers would be crazy to ignore the larger percentage of PS4s on the market. Valve’s games will be released as multi-plat or timed exclusive, the days of MS exclusivity from 3rd parties is waning.

    • Ian Williams

      Steam on ps, lol they can’t afford to pay their internet bill

    • demfax

      I agree, but there are a truckload of posters in here arguing that PS4 is going to get LESS 3rd party support despite its growing console market domination.

    • Ippoletta

      Lol i guess square enix is crazy.

    • bigshynepo

      I think the entire internet thinks that by now! lol
      I’m glad someone revisited this comment after gamerscom 🙂

    • bardock5151

      Its possible a partnership could be formed due the fact you mentioned that its Linux, most games wont work on Linux so in return for allowing dx on steam box Microsoft could get exclusive access to valve games. But its all rumours and hear say so none of it really matters until its happened or not.

    • demfax

      3rd parties will increasingly go multiplatform to account for PS4’s sales lead. Titanfall 2, Ryse 2, Dead Rising 4, etc.

      PS4 is not going to be shut out of 3rd party next gen games. If anything, PS4 will get more 3rd party games in the future not less.

      PS4 dominates the console market and 3rd parties shun it. Yeah, that makes lots of sense.

    • Ippoletta

      They’ll shun sony for the simple fact that their fanbase are cancerous. oh and Microsoft got yet another third party deal with Square enix. and don’t give me that timed exclusive bull because Microsoft wouldn’t co-publish anything that will eventually go to playstation.

      Xbox One, 360 and eventually PC only.

      seriously, they’ll do it. im getting a feeling of 3rd party devs wanting to straight up avoid sony in the near future. especially how their fan base acted over the square enix Tomb raider 2 deal. and how they’re acting over the Exclusive content for the witcher 3. absolutely disgusting, the death threats and all…

    • demfax

      I’ve seen ms fanboys give death threats. It happens on the internet. There’s awful fanboys in any camp. 3rd parties won’t avoid PS4 or other systems for those reasons.

      A lot of PC gamers were also unhappy about Tomb Raider. Don’t pretend it’s all “Sony”.

      PS gamers have little or nothing to do with Witcher 3 content. Witcher has never been on a PS platform before. It’s PC gamers that are upset because Witcher is a long standing PC series.

      Nobody knows what platforms Tomb Raider might end up on. PC obviously, PS4 maybe, but unlikely.

    • ProcHoliday

      Yeah, Gabe used to work for Microsoft…but he has some not great things to say about them pretty recently: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/07/26/windows-8-is-a-catastrophe-according-to-gabe-newell-valve-hedging-with-steam-on-linux/

    • Ippoletta

      2 years ago is recently to you? a lot of changes has happened within the company in that time span. they fixed up Windows 8, they have a new CEO, the have a new head of the Xbox Division. Gabe should have no issues. and i haven’t heard a peep out of him since then.

    • Al Simons

      actually gabe and a lot of developers have a strong disliking for windows 8 and microsoft in general, its essentially why he is trying to release steam os and steam machines…he sees the value of linux opposed to windows.

    • Ippoletta

      Lol, not with Windows 10 around the corner. Microsoft is doing big things for gaming in general. that stigma is long gone. devs cant wait to start using DirectX12.

    • Al Simons

      actually portal 2 has a linux port and since it is using opengl, it is more than possible to port portal games on a ps3 or ps4…but the more important question is why would you want to play portal on playstation or xbox?

    • Ippoletta

      PS3, no longer has linux inside of it and it hasnt had it for years. neither does PS4. they don’t use Opengl. PS4 has it’s own form of APi.

      people need to stop spreading that bullcrap. and ill play Portal on Xbox because i’m a console gamer. what kind of dumb question is that?..

    • Al Simons

      the playstation 3 utlizes an api based off of opengl (opengl es)…its pretty much opengl.

      >people need to stop spreading that bullcrap.

      Its not bullcrap, its fact.

      “and ill play Portal on Xbox because i’m a console gamer. what kind of dumb question is that?..”

      Not a dumb question but that is a dumb response.

    • Ippoletta

      Oh so a console gamer playing their games on a console is a dumb response?…. your question was a dumb elitist one. get over it.

      why wouldn’t i play Portal on my console?

  • oSHINSAo

    If my Xbox one turns into a Steam Box… i will be nuts… they could do a Boot loader, pick Steam Box, and then, use all the Resources just for STEAM… (Xbox use 3 OS at time)

  • DLConspiracy//

    I know that the Steam Streaming is becoming rather popular and a lot of people have talked about trying to get their 360’s able to stream steam games from their PC to their 360 in the living room. So it’s quite possible that this could be why. Although there is a lesser chance that Steam games could be able to be play on Xbox systems. Either one would be fine by me.

  • Ian Williams

    Where are the pony brigade to slap this down, derp, hoppsy, flat out deffo wrong lol

  • demfax

    Some people are trying to spin this as “Valve games coming exclusively to Xbox One and PC”.

    • Al Simons

      I saw the dota 2 workshop thread within the hour it was posted and nothing i saw contained anything relating to xbox.If you check his link, it leads to the same thread with the paste bin of the code and there isnt anything in the code other than references to source 2 engine that was contained within the workshop tools.

      Either the author of this article is naive and was trolled or he is the guy trolling.

  • Jessika S.

    It’s just Dota 2 coming to Xbox One.

  • DLConspiracy//

    Still my point is dual boots are always an option. I like Linux as its optimized better. Still doesn’t mean that the majority of gamers use Linux. They don’t. They use windows. Not to mention the majority of games are windows based too.

    • Al Simons

      what meant is you dont even have to dual boot, you can use wine to play your windows supported games.

  • dock gamer

    I see a lot of people dismissive of steam on xbox one and people saying they would be mad to not release it on ps4 because of its larger install base and all that jazz. but the thing is its only being a year what is it 70 odd countries vs 13 5 million vs 8 or 9 I’m no maths genius but I would have thought you should be more than 3 or 4 million ahead with that kind of start ? But what I was going to say is if your going to join yourself with someone you don’t go to the dieing financially struggling person now do you not unless you what to take yourself out to.


 

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