Vikings Dev Talks About Advantages of Xbox Scorpio’s GPU But Doubts Whether It Will Impact Gameplay

“It will certainly allow developers to utilize new visual and gaming features in larger scale and develop visually more stunning games.”

Posted By | On 30th, Nov. 2016 Under News | Follow This Author @Pramath1605


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The Xbox One Scorpio is touted to be the most powerful console ever made, when it launches next year. It will have a monstrous 6 TFLOPs GPU, better CPU and memory, and… actually, that’s all that we really know about it. We don’t know much about any other specs on the machine, and though Microsoft talk about the console a lot, we are left in the dark about the specifics regarding it.

That was one of the things implicitly pointed out by Peter Nagy, CEO of Gamesfarm, currently developing Vikings: Wolves of Midgard. When the conversation with him inevitably turned to the Xbox One Scorpio, he pointed out several important things- that an assessment of a console’s power couldn’t be made when just its GPU was a known quantity, given that there is so much more to a console than just that; that the Scorpio will be releasing near the end of 2017, at which point 6 TFLOPs may not even be that impressive to begin with; and finally, that a stronger console doesn’t necessarily mean better games if gameplay improvements are not allowed.

“It may look powerful now; but it shall be out on the market at the end of 2017 (at least that’s what they have on site),” Nagy said. “Also, it is important to note that the GPU is strong but CPU and memory are also essential for games development. So the standpoint cannot be taken only from GPU point of view but has to consider also other components. Strong GPU says that the console will be able to target 4K and VR; but it says not much about the gameplay itself. Currently 1080 GTX offers 9TFLOPs and until end of 2017 there will be at least another generation of graphics card released. So at the time it will hit the market it will be on par with average new gaming PC, or below.”

The PC comparison aside, however, Nagy did mention some of the things that he hoped he would be able to implement in his games thanks to Scorpio.

“But regardless of PC comparison where consoles inevitably fail, Scorpio will be something solid to work with and definitively the most powerful console on the market,” he conceded. “It will certainly allow developers to utilize new visual and gaming features in larger scale and develop visually more stunning games. We hopefully will be able to use more extensively dynamic terrain tessellation, better looking shaders, improved lightning techniques and at last (but not least) finally start with really working with 4k resolution which is in the moment tricky…”

I do agree with everything he has said here- while I don’t doubt that Scorpio will be the most powerful console on the market when it releases next year, we have no way of knowing how powerful until we know more about the system at all. And just having a better GPU or more power all around doesn’t necessarily mean better games- it can mean better looking games, but not necessarily better playing games, especially if Microsoft mandate parity with the original Xbox One, which right now it looks like they may do.


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  • Reclaimer13

    Of course the extra power doesn’t automatically mean better games, that’s up to the developers. And if a 6tflop console won’t be that Impressive in 10 months time, then that 4.2tflop console will be downright feeble.

    • Clint Hoffman

      And what would you call the 1.8 and 1.3 tflop units. Lol. At least the newer units can do single precision for a doubling of tflop power. Reality is most users are so ignorant of tech they only see resolution and are oblivious to things like hdr10, 2020 color, 4:4:4 Chroma, input latency that massively improve all image resolutions. Not to mention the fact they are too stupid to push for increased physics or detail(etc.).

    • Reclaimer13

      I’m not the one that made the point of a 6tflop console 10 months from now not being a big deal.

    • Psionicinversion

      you act like games can suddenly be coded in 16bit, lol go code one and see how crappy it looks. they can only use it for certain things

    • Clint Hoffman

      Technically, the newest AMD GPU’s could not do 2x16bit precision in the same clock as 1x32bit precision with the older GPU’s. To call it “coding in 16 bit” isn’t quite the same as that implies the argument from decades ago when all code was 16 bit code, then 32 bit , then 64 bit.

      My statement original statement was intended to show that if gaming companies were on the ball, they would ensure their game engines could use the new 1 clock (2-16bit) instructions seamlessly for all areas that made sense (e.g. performance with minimal or no quality loss). If done right, I believe all games could see a 5-20% gain without any noticeable impact.

      The crux is that the game engine NEEDS to be done well. At this point the only companies that seem to consistently code their engines to max performance/max detail and fix bugs are the Witcher Devs and Naughty Dog. Others are trying but seem to lack expertise or resource dollars (Edios, Bungie, Ubisoft come to mind…)

    • Psionicinversion

      Yeah they can’t but Vega can which is where the pro has got it from. Pascal can do it but it’s disabled on consumer gpus apparently otherwise they can’t charge $12,500 for the gpu that can.

      Thing is though it’s brand new so it will take time for everyone to adopt it if they can be bothered to adopt it

    • BelAirBoss

      Uhhh…not sure how you come to the “feeble” conclusion, because at the end of the day, Sony’s exclusives will look best on the ps4 pro, while xbox has no true exclusives left, and their “console exclusives” will look, and presumably perform best on pc. Not sure how that is great for Microsoft, other than that they don’t seem to really care about console sales anymore, and are more interested in software performance.

    • Reclaimer13

      It was a response to the article. I don’t think 4.2tflops is feeble now or a year from now but the article suggests that 6tflops in 10-12 months won’t be impressive. So if 6tflops won’t be impressive what would 4.2tflops be considered?
      And I keep hearing about how there’s no reason to buy an xbox because it’s games are on pc, but yet the xbox one is selling better than ever despite all that. Console gamers will continue to play on console. And Scorpio games will be using pc assets under UWP. PS4 Pro games will be built around the specs of the standard ps4 and the resolution will be increased for the Pro.

    • BelAirBoss

      Yeah, if the crowd is going to chase the power curve, the crowd will always be playing catch up. Even in pc land, you can buy the best graphics card and cpu available and six months later there will be a new gpu and cpu that will take the crown, sometimes even sooner than that.

      I agree that many console gamers will continue on console, but there are a fair number who have, and will, make the jump to pc from Microsoft’s consoles, for many reasons, some of which include more games to choose from, cheaper games, not having to pay for online, etc. etc. etc.. Now, some of Sony’s gamers may do the same, but it’s a tougher choice for them because if they want to play a game from Sony’s impressive first party studio roster, they still need a playstation. Microsoft no longer has that part working in their favor. I have a Pro…I may buy the Scorpio, but I don’t have to because I pc game, and depending on the new pc gpu’s and cpu’s coming next year, I may just build out a new beast and still have access to all Microsoft’s first party titles without needing the Scorpio. Microsoft still gets my money for it’s games, but not it’s hardware.

      As for the Scorpio using pc assets….you kind of miss the point. It doesn’t really matter what the Scorpio uses…it will always be behind the latest pc’s, and what you’re attempting to do by saying it will have the advantage over the Pro is identical to my point about the PC having the advantage over Scorpio, with one BIG exception….Sony has true exclusives not available on pc. So I don’t get your argument. Microsoft is on record saying that Scorpio will not have exclusive games, and that is right in line with what Sony is doing, so how are you thinking there is going to be some massive difference in Scorpio games compared to xbox one games when that difference doesn’t exist for pc when comparing the same game to what is available for ps4 and xbox one?

    • Reclaimer13

      The point is that Xbox games will be built on PC under UWP and using dx12 which makes porting to scorpio and the standard xbox one trivial. Sony doesn’t have that luxury. Exclusives are great but the majority of console gamers don’t even buy exclusive games. 99% of all games are multiplats, meaning that the vast majority of games will look and run better on the superior hardware. The Call of Duty Crowd determines who wins and who loses tbh.

    • BelAirBoss

      Your statistical numbers, just like your rationale, is flawed. You can’t start from a position of error and hope to get to the truth. Good luck to you.

    • Reclaimer13

      That’s the best way to get out of an argument you’re on the losing side of. Well done.

    • BelAirBoss

      Son, you’ve never won anything in your life. You’re used to it.

    • Reclaimer13

      Lol ok man. Seriously though which part of what I said do you disagree with? The exclusive to multiplat ratio? Might be a little off but not by much. Maybe 3% tops? And look at the CoD userbase on ps4 compared to xbox one. It’s almost a 2 to 1 ratio in ps4’s favor and ironically enough that’s almost exactly the same ratio as the ps4’s sales advantage. Look at the CoD userbase on last gen consoles. It was almost dead even and the 360 and ps3 sales were also almost dead even. 45M ps4s sold and only 4.5 copies of UC4 sold? That means 90% of ps4 owners didn’t buy the game. I think Bloodborne sold half as many copies and to me that’s the best game on the system.

    • BelAirBoss

      I’ve got news for you……there are many ps4 exclusives that sell far better than the vast majority of multiplatform games that are released for the system. The overwhelming majority of owners of any system aren’t buying the multiplats either, genius. You’re trying to make a comparison between the best selling, top 1 percent of multiplatform games and trying to extrapolate that to every multiplatform game, when the cold fact is that most multiplatform games don’t sell anywhere near the numbers of a GTA or a COD, for example. And that includes AAA titles.

      But when big budget AAA games like Watch Dogs 2, Titanfall 2, or Dishonored 2 (just to name a few recent examples) don’t sell close to what Uncharted or God of War or The Last of Us sells, you want to conveniently, or ignorantly, ignore that because it suits your weak assessment of the landscape. Typical.

    • Reclaimer13

      You sound mad bro. Numbers don’t lie though. 90%+ of PS4 owners couldn’t care less about those games. If the ps4 only had exclusive games it would be behind the Wii U in sales and the xbox one would be in dead last. The Wii U not only has the most exclusives and the overall highest rated exclusive games this gen but just about every Wii U exclusive has sold as well, if not better than the highest selling ps4 game, but without 3rd party support the Wii U is irrelevant.

    • BelAirBoss

      I sound mad. You sound stupid. I win. Good luck with that, lol.

    • Reclaimer13

      Again, you can’t argue the facts. Take that L and move along.

    • BelAirBoss

      I sound mad. You sound stupid. I win. Good luck with that, lol.

    • Reclaimer13

      I was really hoping you’d have a legitimate counter to my point. If you wanna act silly because you have no argument, that’s on you bro.

    • BelAirBoss

      I sound mad. You sound stupid. I win. Good luck with that, lol.

  • Mark

    I like this guy, says it how it is. Ultimately Scorpio’s for hardcore CONSOLE gamers, and if we can get better visuals and frame rates from mid-gen systems then……..heeel yeeuh!

  • Paul

    More power just means developers have more options to play with and can lead to better games if the developers use the hardware right, I rather have more power than less, problem is that the newer console will get held back by the older consoles in a similar way to how higher end PC hardware gets held back by mid to low end hardware, ultimately, developer have an interesting in targeting a wider market that can play their games so games will likely get better but it will be a transitional phase just like it’s always been on the PC, now consoles are in the same boat.

    On the plus side, with the PC, PS4 Pro and Scorpio, it’s a bigger market of gamers that have more hardware power so developers could target the more powerful hardware sooner rather than later.

  • Mr Xrat

    So, more dull trash from Microsoft Studios? Can’t wait.

    • Hvd

      cant wait until they release what tever on the ps4 and they dont buy it.wont devs learn not to trash another source of income?

  • Hvd

    and who cares what this no name dev says?..i sure dont and i dont feel like buying his game on the xbox one how about that.

    • Tomaterrrx

      This ‘no name’ dev knows more about xbox scorpio than you, bro.

    • Hvd

      doesnt matter one bit.never bought any of his games before and WONT buy any of them now..lol…so like i said who gives a crap about a no name dev?

    • Tomaterrrx

      They know more about gaming than you. Their opinions on Scorpio have more substance than most other people. Heck, they may even have dev kits for the Scorpio. And not buying this devs games just because he said something remotely negative about xbox is just pathetic.

    • Hvd

      thats the 2jhd time you said that got anything else?

    • Tomaterrrx

      Have some respect for people who make videogames. These devs don’t stay under one company forever. They could move on to developing games that you will buy. So don’t act like you’ll never have anything to do with these people because you will, but you are obviously too arrogant to realize this.

      ‘who gives a crap about a no name dev?’

      Not many. But more people give a crap about this dev than you, or me.

    • Hvd

      i got ZERO respect and could care less what this moron says

    • Tomaterrrx

      The only moron here is you. Why are you being so negative about this dev, anyway? Triggered much?


 

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