Xbox Scorpio Technical Lead: “Scorpio Has Significant Performance Benefits Relative To PC”

Scorpio’s Technical Lead Andrew Goossen on what make Scorpio’s GPU standout from a PC GPU with the same amount of TFLOPs.

Posted By | On 15th, Apr. 2017 Under News | Follow This Author @GamingBoltTweet


Project Scorpio is shaping up to be an amazing piece of hardware and Microsoft are clearly leaving no stone unturned to make it the most powerful console of all time. The new system is powerful than the Xbox One, Xbox One S, PS4 and even PS4 Pro but what kind of benefits will it provide compared to the baseline Radeon equivalent of Scorpio’s GPU?

In an interview with Digital Foundry, Scorpio’s Technical Lead Andrew Goossen stated that although he doesn’t have any specific examples to state (possibly indicating towards a GPU series), the Scorpio’s GPU includes a number of features that simply can’t be implemented on the PC with a comparable GPU TFLOPs. Among these improvements include a better shader compiler and improvements to PIX which allows developers to achieve low level analysis.

“Our performance analysis and modelling was so core to the entire design process of optimisation and adjustments that I don’t have a specific example to call out. We put every change we considered through the model. But in terms of ‘more from your teraflops’, I will point out that Scorpio has significant performance benefits relative to PC,” he stated.

“Microsoft has made continual improvements to the shader compiler. We see significant performance wins for Xbox game content relative to compiling the same shaders on PC. [Secondly], ‘to the metal’ API and shader extension support allows developer to optimise in ways that simply can’t be done on PC cards. [Finally], PIX provides low level analysis and insight that, in conjunction with ‘to the metal’ support, allows developers to make the most of the console GPU. These technologies are all already mature and familiar to developers, so Scorpio games will benefit from the get go,” he further added.

It will be interesting to see what kind of results we can see from this in terms of software. Microsoft haven’t revealed any games running on the Scorpio, except this screenshot from Forza Motorsport 6 but judging by the inclusion of custom shader improvements and updated PIX features, the Scorpio can possibly deliver better looking games compared to an equivalent GPU hardware on PC.


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  • Mark

    Yezzir. I was tellin people, the specs of Scorpio isn’t impressive! Look at the “evolved” Jaguar, it’s only 30% faster than X1. Then, here’s the big surprise…it only has about 4 more Compute Units than the Pro! How’s that impressive? Well it ain’t imo. I will say that the additional 4GB Ram and 320gb/s bandwidth are pretty chunky upgrades tho. Point is, the specs are only decent all around, PC gamers know that. But what I’ve learned is, console gets these analysis and optimization benefits PC may not see. What Microsoft did was build a console based on that advantage, and that’s how it will probably own an equivalent PC Gpu….I know Cerny is a beast, he knows software and hardware, but Andrew Goosen and Xbox team are blowing minds now too

    • Gamez Rule

      Specs could be guessed months ago with Scorpio, even I came very close seven months ago, ( See Pic ) but truth is Sony has this gen tied down and Scorpio isn’t going to change that.

      Now Scorpio will be the most powerful console on the market once released, but IMO MS are too late to the party as now they have to play catch up with VR gaming while not allowing their base Xbone users that gaming choice. Is that fair on the 20+ million Xbone buyers that supported MS? At least Sony kept their gamers together for all gaming needs with PS4 and PS4-Pro.

      I believe that just like PS4-Pro not selling better than base models Scorpio will follow suit. Now I could be incorrect and IF I am incorrect I will put my hands up too that, but I can’t see Scorpio selling better than base Xbone models / S after a few months of release. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/410489646ca369ba8e7b5393ad3c1f8a191c49b71952e7ddc5af58316158d770.jpg

    • Mark

      Absolutely no one on this site guessed Microsoft would COMPLETELY customize their CPU, GPU, motherboard and cooling unit. Until u guys recognize it’s truly custom hardware, ur gonna keep making the mistake of giving it the same labels that the PRO and other systems has. Andrew Goosen went into great detail of how Scorpio’s punching waay above its advertised specs, again to my original point. Anyway the X1 just ain’t strong enough to do VR properly. And as for sales, we’ll just have to see what happens with Scorpio. Sony winning this gen in sales has nothing to do with my original post, which is that Microsoft is building a fully custom machine that cannot be defined by its “labels”, this based on the current evidence at hand

    • Gamez Rule

      I stated…”Specs could be guessed months ago with Scorpio, even *I came very close seven months ago*”

      You replied.. “Absolutely no one on this site guessed Microsoft would COMPLETELY customize their CPU, GPU, motherboard and cooling unit”

      No one was 100% correct in guessing Scorpio hardware you’re correct but people did come close with ideas and opinions but I understand what you mean by your reply.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/410489646ca369ba8e7b5393ad3c1f8a191c49b71952e7ddc5af58316158d770.jpg

    • Mark

      Well honestly I never said nobody was close to guessing the SPECS right. I said nobody figured they’d completely customize the system, down to the motherboard voltage. What’s the importance of that? Well u predicted that the GPU will be 6TFlops, 4.5x more than Xbox, however it isn’t, it’s PERFORMING way beyond that, even the “Jaguar” CPU. So that’s all I’m sayin is stating the specs isn’t meaningful with Scorpio, we can’t rightly gauge its power that way. That’s what I meant by people predicting Scorpio

    • Gamez Rule

      Well what we do know is power isn’t the be all and end all when it comes to console gaming, that much we do know. People liked guessing on what will be placed within Scorpio and how MS might customize the hardware, but like we pointed out although people got close to guessing hardware etc no one could have guessed the true customization MS implemented with the console. ( And we still don’t 100% fully know the customization )

    • Mark

      Never said power is all that matters, I said I can appreciate what Microsoft has done with Scorpio, but hey the world must keep spinnin

    • Fweds

      MS and partners have 4 or 5 VR and MR headset’s that will work on PC first this spring then also on Scorpio AND Xbox One at the end of the year.

      See E3 in 7 weeks.

  • Eddie Battikha

    Overall exciting times ahead for Console Gamers.

    • Gamez Rule

      I really want Driveclub to get PS4-Pro patch, it would be good to see what can improve? The game looks great as it, but looks better in my opinion than Forza for sure.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvbDZWROJgI

    • Luke Skywalker

      I don’t think you can rightly compare driveclub and any of the forza games. the breakdown wouldn’t really match up other than they’re all racers and excluding simulation and open world aspects of the forza games.
      Forza motorsport : closed circuit + sim
      Driveclub: close circuit + arcade
      no direct comparison. closed circuit + arcade has the potential to look better since it uses less resources as compared to a sim so more resources can go into making the game look better.

      Forza Horizon: open world + arcade
      Driveclub: close circuit + arcade
      again, no direct comparison. closed circuit + arcade has the potential to look better since it uses less resources as compared to an open world game. so more resources can go into making the game look better. but at the end of the day Forza Horizon 3 looks extremely good and lifelike in some instances.

      sure driveclub looks good and deserves an ps4 pro update but you bringing in forza almost seems as if you’re looking for a certain reaction.

    • Gamez Rule

      Racers are racers, and it’s ok for people to compare Forza against GT and other racing titles but not Driveclub…Yeah ok☺

      And yes that game does look better than Forza even before a Pro-patch *if it ever gets one* so what’s the issue with pointing that out?

      Racers have always been put up against each other for years, and just because some people don’t think it should be done will not change that.
      Example: Forza 6 vs. DriveClub vs. Project CARS

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjQbiLk9GPQ

    • Luke Skywalker

      fyi Forza Motorsport is in the same racing genre as GT, they’re both sim racers same is project cars, iracing, racing room etc. in these types of games precious cpu and gpu power goes into running many simulations at high frequencies with strict cpu and gpu processing time, tire to tarmac simulation to wind and drag, etc

      driveclub is an arcade racer running at 30fps with more cpu and gpu processing time available. it’s like comparing apples to arranges. anyway that’s that.

      what’s the issue? the guy said “exciting times ahead for console gamers” and you reply with “and you reply with driveclub looks better than forza in your opinion”?
      why bring up forza in your statement, couldn’t it have been made without that comparison? as I’ve said the fact that your brought up forza in such an underhanded way seems as if you were fishing for a response and doing so is a troll like move.

      but if I should bite I’ll say that’s in your opinion because running on the right hardware with the right settings forza horizon 3 can look pretty lifelike despite the fact it’s an open world game.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/97409cd0479d0a9bad2d787c53150ff8480beb60c9419892643a9c175f3f1eb3.png
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da21774b9a4c989659f98728002cfb1bfd48d1d1d990bdb4c9c8795eba66c960.png

    • Gamez Rule

      I have no issues in believing that that Driveclub looks great as it is, and looks better *in my opinion* than Forza for sure. It was YOU that tried to make this OPINION of mine an issue☺

      Fact is that DF and so many other sites have always pitted racers against each other for many years throughout console generations and no matter how you feel about that it is what it is.

      Now I replied to @eddiebattikha:disqus and he replied back with no issues at all, so like I stated it’s YOU that seems to have the issue with what I posted and to me that just shows you don’t like anything said against Forza IMO.

      As for Forza being mentioned within my post it was because this article talks about FM6 ( with improvements ) hence why I stated what I did about Forza and why I posted about I really want Driveclub to get PS4-Pro patch ( for improvements ). So why have such issues on what I posted ☺

    • Mark

      You cannot compare a 30fps game to a 60fps game in visuals technically speaking

    • Gamez Rule

      Yes you can compare, just like so many others have throughout past console history have done so including DF which stated “Only Forza Horizon 2 provides ample competition” in a Driveclub article.

      Example: DF = DriveClub utilises dynamic globules for its droplets as opposed to the thin, alpha textures in Horizon 2 / Horizon 2 lacks the dynamic volumetric cloud system of DriveClub and its time of day transitions (particularly its shadows) aren’t handled as smoothly, etc etc

      So I’ll stick to what I believe that the game looks great as it is, and looks better in my opinion than Forza for sure.

      http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-driveclub

      http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-driveclub-revisited-is-dynamic-weather-a-game-changer

    • Mark

      Well the video u posted compared Forza 6 (60fps) to DriveClub (30fps). I’m not referring to Horizon, which is also 30fps. From the first article u posted, “During this extended development period, Evolution Studios’ original goal of 60fps racing gave way to a more realistic 30fps target, using the extra rendering time per frame to create state-of-the-art effects work worthy of next gen”. Clearly, 30fps means the dev can do alot more visually than running at 60fps. That was ma point

    • Mark

      Also here’s a good read from Guisseppe on why u shouldn’t compare DriveClub to Horizon. Although generally 30fps can be compared to 30fps

      http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/07/26/driveclub-and-forza-horizon-2-should-not-be-compared-theyre-extremely-different-games/

    • Gamez Rule

      We all know that “Driveclub and Forza Horizon 2 are extremely different games under the hood” and we all agree with that but they are still racing games using the same cars within the game and sometimes the same tracks hence why faceoffs do take place and have done so for many years, and I also agree like the article mentioned “In conclusion, Driveclub looks better than Forza Horizon 2”

      Now where the article stated “They’re not comparable, and they shouldn’t be compared,” In My Opinion is incorrect as like I’ve pointed out *Only Forza Horizon 2 provides ample competition” in a Driveclub article* and that’s from DF. Others sites also done comparisons with new versions of Forza too.

      Forza games run at both 30fps and at 60fps ( depends on what Forza game ) and IMO Driveclub looks better than all versions to date. That might be an issue to you Mark but it is what It is, and a few articles would agree with that opinion I hold including your own article.

    • Mark

      C’mon Gamez I just posted it to u man, it clearly states they shouldn’t be compared…in the headline, and below it are the reasons.

      Yes u can compare DriveClub to Forza 6 but it isn’t a FAIR comparison. One is drawing only 30 frames per second, this allows devs to push more graphics than it being 60fps, c’mon man u should know this brother. Not only did I show u this in ur own article u posted but here’s my repost, please read it man, it’s annoying what ur doing, sorry no disrespect

      http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/07/26/driveclub-and-forza-horizon-2-should-not-be-compared-theyre-extremely-different-games/

    • Mark

      Listen, if u wanna argue about Horizon vs DriveClub be ma guest, but you have to be informed on the performance difference between 30fps and 60fps, Again from the article u posted, “During this extended development period, Evolution Studios’ original goal of 60fps racing gave way to a more realistic 30fps target, using the EXTRA RENDERING TIME PER FRAME to create next gen visuals”. In laymen’s terms, they took that extra 30fps they were gonna use for the game’s frame rate (60fps), and instead pushed the GPU to render other high fidelity visuals. So they chose 30fps with high visuals over 60fps low to medium visuals….like Forza 6.

    • Gamez Rule

      Not all Forza games are 60fps like we both pointed out and even when Forza have the 30fps choice Driveclub still looked better so it’s not all about frame-rates is it.

      But we all know that Driveclub looks better than any Forza game to date no matter what reasons there are.

    • Mark

      Ok so we can reasonably eliminate Forza 6 for good reason. Now I posted that link by Guiseppe that argues why Horizon shouldn’t be compared to DriveClub…..Horizon is open world, not on track. It is not, a 1-1 comparison is it? DriveClub is not only track based, it’s 30fps…..neither of which Horizon or Forza Motorsport titles are. Ur arguing that it simply looks better, but there’s good REASON. The lower the frame rate, the better it can look, the less “open” it is, the better. You disagree with that Gamez?

    • Gamez Rule

      What part of this can you not understand Mark…*MY OPINION* being placed within my first post about Driveclub looking better than Forza ☺…( see pic of first post ) You’ll see I never posted about a single Forza game did I? I just posted Forza in general due to being a racing game.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a7b6e86d743b12772822b0dcbe38c585a01edc309abdf04d062012b21062e351.jpg

      So where you keep on about “Guiseppe that argues why Horizon shouldn’t be compared to DriveClub” It doesn’t matter as like I showed even in that article he stated “In conclusion, Driveclub looks better than Forza Horizon 2” so Guiseppe even compared the games to state that lol.

      I’ve also shown it doesn’t matter what he believes as DF and many other media outlets have compared the Forza games to Driveclub since release.

      I’ve also pointed out that not all Forza games at running 60fps and that not all Forza games are open-world either so WHY do you keep going back to this is beyond me LMAO!

      So where I posted “But we all know that Driveclub looks better than any Forza game to date no matter what reasons there are.” it is IMO correct.

    • Mark

      Here’s my issue games. U stated DriveClub looks better “whatever the reason” cool, agreed. But then in the same posts, ur arguing that they can FAIRLY be compared, that leaves me in confusion. Do u feel Forza 6 can fairly, be compared to DriveClub visually? Is it a GOOD comparison?

    • Gamez Rule

      “Here’s my issue” … Why have an issue over my opinion☺ Driveclub looks better than Forza. I have forza games and Driveclub and the PS4 racer looks better than forza games on Xbone IMO.

      Now like I stated, DF and many other outlets have compared the racing games due to having ( similarities ) like the same cars, similar weather effects, same tracks, etc. No matter what issues you have or why you disagree with me what I pointed out has been taking place and has done for many years, and racers will still be compared against racers by articles, gamers etc.

      I would love Driveclub to get a Pro patch as it would be good to see what can be improved even though the game looks great and looks better than Forza im my opinion.

    • Mark

      No ur “opinion” is arguing that, Driveclub not only looks better (I agree), but that it can FAIRLY be compared……that, is my issue once again. It’s a valid one. I’m not debating IF, IF, DriveClub looks better, that’s obvious. So please I’m not telling you that u cannot say that ahaha. I simply got the impression that you felt it was a fair comparison. That’s what I’m on about. Is it a fair comparison to you?

    • Gamez Rule

      I did not state “but that it can FAIRLY be compared”

      What I did post was *Yes you can compare, just like so many others have throughout past console history have done so including DF*

      And what I posted is correct. You may have issues with that but it is what it is mate.

    • Mark

      Above u said, “Forza 6 which is a track based game similar to Driveclub and not an open-world racer like FH2-3”, “Racers are racers”, ” they are still racing games using the same cars within the game and sometimes the same tracks”. Now this is why I’m asking u is it a fair comparison, because I may be misinterpreting ur words, but that sounds like ur saying it’s a fair face-off, that’s where I’m lost.

    • Gamez Rule

      I also stated..

      “Not all Forza games are 60fps like we both pointed out and even when Forza have the 30fps choice, Driveclub still looked better so it’s not all about frame-rates is it”

      So like I pointed out that racers will always be compared due to ( similarities ) like the same cars, similar weather effects, same tracks, etc and that’s why Driveclub and Forza and other racers like GT get compared to each other. What’s so hard to except as DF and other articles still compare them racers even when stating they don’t☺

    • Mark

      I’m not claiming no one compares them buddy, you’re the one saying that I am. I am not. I never did. I’m asking a simple question so that we can finally go our own way lmao. U keep dodging son. So we agree people do compare them, yes agreed. What I want to know is, based on ur posts above, are you saying it’s a FAIR comparison to pit Forza 6 against DriveClub graphically? That’s all I want to know…

    • Mark

      Gamez ur my dude u know dam well I wouldn’t tell u that you aren’t at liberty to speak ur opinions. My “issue” was never that bruh

    • Mark

      Also, if u know about PC, then u know that running 60fps or higher will come at a cost to visuals. In contrast, if u run ultra settings or max, then it comes at a tradeoff to frame rate. Do u know why?

    • Mark

      I can admit that PS4 has always had the overall better graphics bro, it bothers me not one bit. Sony has always had some of the best graphics artists out there

    • Eddie Battikha

      Ya they would have done a patch for it a while ago, I guess they didn’t care with GT Sport coming out this fall.

    • Gamez Rule

      Yeah you’re most probably right..

    • Fweds

      You will be debugging GT sport for the next 3 years despite paying full price for it.

    • Fweds

      Well yes for Nintendo and Xbox owners but Sony are starting to look dated with hardware and no new ideas.

    • Eddie Battikha

      Still salty about Xbox sales vs Playstation? I’d be mad to if Playstation games kept getting cancalled 1 by 1. No Spiderman on Xbox deal with it guy.

    • Fweds

      Sales mean nothing to console owners, when you switch on your console it makes no difference how many it has sold.

      Would you like to list both the Xbox one and Ps4 titles that have been cancelled ?

      No Spiderman !! Oh no really ? What are we going to do. I mean Spiderman it’s the end of the world.
      Do you think it will be sunset overdrive in a Spiderman suit ?

      Remember the last Spiderman wasn’t going to be released on Xbox one then unfortunately they decided to release it ?
      It scored about 50% on ps4 and Xbox One on metacritic.

      What if there is no Superman of even iron man ? oh that’s right no one would care, but if there was no Batman that would be different as that is the only Superhero game people care about and the best version will be on Scorpio.

    • Eddie Battikha

      Keep staying in denial and making excuses for ur Xbone. Ur long winded paragraphs have no point.

  • Riggybro

    Every console and hardware company has a period before release where people from the same company who manufacture the product enter into infomercial mode –

    Sony, Microsoft, AMD, Nvidia, Intel etc… all do it. In fact if you are PC you get it every year.

    It’s not until 3rd parties get their hands on the finished product running 3rd party software we finally find out whether we’ve been duped or not.

    I mean doesn’t all this marketing from Microsoft sound familiar? History repeating? Make you even a little bit sceptical?

    Answer: “NO!!”

    Oh ok then…

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  • Mr Xrat

    The power of the cloud will help too!

    • greatnessIsaLIE

      Even without cloud processing it still wreaks the top tier Playstation, but yes I’m sure it’ll help in certain games…ten years from now.

    • Fweds

      How’s Nioh at 720p on the ps4 ?

    • jzgames

      How do you like playing it at 0p on xbox

    • Fweds

      To be honest I don’t care about it one bit and if I wanted to play it I would.

      I am replying to MrXrat who as you know is a Sony fanboy who does nothing but post nonsense on Xbox article, so as you have chosen to ignore his post that I replied to I take it you are one as well.

  • Gamez Rule

    All this talk about Scorpio with 4K at 60fps support running above ultra settings with solid performance and how Scorpio has significant performance benefits relative to PC make me very wary as we all know that not even a TGX 1080 Ti can do this. ( see pic & Link from DF ) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b79ba3abcc76e2f23ab0e9a8c12da94cdca746357474f5c3a9efb1876422c83.jpg

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review

    • Luke Skywalker

      there will be games that run at 4k60, will be games that run at 4k30 on scorpio and the image you posted shows that if the scorpio is anything like or close to the GTX1080 then scorpio will do just fine and Microsoft statement would still stand as they’ve stated it.
      I think it’s genius that Microsoft has customized a Radeon core to the point that it performs as good as a top GTX desktop card. you should know that it’s only the clock speed, texture units and rops that separate the scorpio and the gtx1080. with the customizations Microsoft did most definitely pushes the scorpio to punch above it’s weight. Plus the fact that it’s a console part which Microsoft and developers can target the hardware more closes than PC, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Scorpio was punching close to 8TF (7.5tf or even 7.8TF).

      on a game that runs 4k60 at ultra/high settings and 4k assets and textures is no compromise same is a game that runs at 4k30 at ultra/high settings and 4k assets and textures no compromise. if the games is built around a certain fps then that’s how the developers chose to deliver their games.
      I think it’s great that we’re getting a console that rivals PCs at great console size prices. sure the gtx1080ti and gtx titan xp are powerhouses but they’re far out of the price point of consoles and most PC gamers.
      take a look at steam stats, the majority (over 45%) plays at 1080p, and the next highest is 1366×768 ( 23%), that’s the resolution of most laptops sold in 2011/12. ONLY 0.78% game at 4k. Steam has around 120 million subs so out of that many users there’s less than 1million of then that game at 4k.
      http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
      Scorpio will come in at a great price and will bring 4k to the masses on their big 4k TVs with HDR and not some small 26 to 32inch monitor without HDR.

      Phil spencer stood on stage at E3 in 2016 and said:
      “the next step change for gamers and developers must deliver true 4k gaming and high fidelity VR….
      Project scorpio will be the next edition to the xbox one family and it is ultimately the next step in delivering our vision for the future of gaming beyond generations. when it ships next year, we believe it will be the most powerful console ever built. with 6 teraflops of power this hardware was built specifically to lead the console industry to true 4k gaming and high fidelity VR. True 4k visuals without sacrificing quality, premiere VR experiences without sacrificing performance. putting greater graphical fidelity in the hands of the world’s best creators….”
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7e5e8nNY3w&feature=youtu.be
      Microsoft statements have always been “true 4k gaming” and “VR without compromise”
      where did Microsoft say 4k@60 with all games? it negates the ridiculous point you’re trying to make here.

    • Gamez Rule

      Please don’t think Scorpio’s GPU is anything like the GTX 1080 Ti when gaming is concerned. The point I’ve shown is not even a 1080 Ti GPU can play all games at full 4K at 60fps at Ultra settings so don’t think for a minute that Scorpio will do it ( without compromise taking place )

    • Luke Skywalker

      I said nothing about scorpio being like a gtx1080ti.
      you said your point is that not even a 1080ti can play all games in full 4k at 60fps and my point is that your point is grossly invalid.
      under no circumstances did Microsoft say or advertise that the scorpio will play all games 4k60 so i’m not sure where you got that from. it’s clear that you’ve made an exaggeration and then are sticking to your own exaggerated claim and pinning that same claim on the company. pretty much the same as someone telling a lie and then believing their own lie.

      whatever game the console plays in 4k will be in 4k screen resolution using 4k assets and 4k textures, that is what a true 4k image is. its as simple as that.

    • Gamez Rule

      “not even a 1080ti can play all games in full 4k at 60fps and my point is that your point is grossly invalid.” = Yeah ok mate, if you think what I posted about the 1080 Ti is invalid that’s your opinion but as it’s a fact that a 1080 Ti cannot keep at solid 60fps at 4K without making a compromise in setting with some games ( see pic )

      Where did I post that MS stated “Scorpio will play all games 4k60”? = Oh that’s right I didn’t you’re just reading what you want to see as I never posted such a thing. So I don’t know why you believed I did./ What I did do is show via a pic and link that not even a 1080 Ti can play all games at 60fps at 4k at Ultra settings.

      Now what I did post is the following & correct 100%…

      “All this talk about Scorpio with 4K at 60fps support running above ultra settings with solid performance and how Scorpio has significant performance benefits relative to PC make me very wary as we all know that not even a GTX 1080 Ti can do this”

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b79ba3abcc76e2f23ab0e9a8c12da94cdca746357474f5c3a9efb1876422c83.jpg

    • Luke Skywalker

      then it boggles my mind why you’d make a statement such as this:

      The point I’ve shown is not even a 1080 Ti GPU can play all games at full 4K at 60fps at Ultra settings

      hence: who said scorpio will do 4k60fps on all games?
      and since no one said that then it simply means your chart and the sentiment of your statement is surely off base with no ground to stand on.
      some games will be 4k60, some will be 4k30 some might not even be 4k at all as time goes on and development gets more demanding.
      there’s one take away from your pic posted though, it’s that DX12 games seem to have great performance.

    • Gamez Rule

      What I posted was this…

      “All this talk about Scorpio with 4K at 60fps support running above ultra settings with solid performance and how Scorpio has significant performance benefits relative to PC make me very wary as we all know that not even a GTX 1080 Ti can do this. (((( I still believe that compromises must be made even when MS stated no compromise )))”

      In the brackets is my point, that compromises will be made to hit games at 4k 60fps at ultra settings in some games on Scorpio as a 1080 Ti also has to have compromises made to hit a solid 60fps at native 4k

    • Luke Skywalker

      This is what you’ve said, just as I’ve quoted you above (see pic)
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a26f42e4732a296678beaa88e4f01760ccd3448109a1b8fe26d983e4e6896825.png
      Is what you’ve said was your point that you’ve shown. Again, no one said Scorpio will do 4k60fps on all games. Therefore there will be games that doesn’t make that resolution or frame rate, there will also be games that does 4k60fps with tuned down settings from ultra to high etc.
      But as I’ve been saying from before your comparison to a 1080 ti has no grounds to stand on as 4k60fps at ultra settings on ALL games wasn’t an Xbox Scorpio bullet point.

    • Gamez Rule

      Here is what I first stated 2 days ago..( see pic ) Now this part which I placed in brackets “(((( I still believe that compromises must be made even when MS stated no compromise )))” is the point I’m making…*like I posted*hence why I then stated..

      “that compromises will be made to hit games at 4k 60fps at ultra settings in some games on Scorpio as a 1080 Ti also has to have compromises made to hit a solid 60fps at native 4k”

      So why would MS stated *no compromise* when we all know that a compromise will have to be made in some games.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f050e23a90ae786df2cac288edb5e4f8cedd2eaa075c34b88dce885e4470627e.jpg

    • Fweds

      You don’t compare the Scorpio with PC graphic card in the normal way as the Xbox Scorpio is using the whole system.

      Try watching what digital Foundry’s videos actually say.

    • Gamez Rule

      Yes you’re correct, but DF themselves done tests ( on PC ) using a few GPUs within their own video. Hence why I posted

      “All this talk about Scorpio with 4K at 60fps support running above ultra settings with solid performance and how Scorpio has significant performance benefits relative to PC make me very wary as we all know that not even a GTX 1080 Ti can do this” which means on *some games compromises must be made* even though MS stated no compromise in their E3 video.

      DF = “how the Forza Motorsport engine runs on Project Scorpio hardware, plus we’ve added some basic PC comparisons”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYfj0Ah0SfI

    • MickaelSuarez

      Of course some compromises have to be made.
      The Scorpio is equipped with Jaguar cores, and a Radeon GPU with some Polaris and maybe Vega features (no FP16).
      It will be interesting to know the exact GPU architecture, i won’t be surprise by an older one even if i still bet on a Polaris base.

  • greatnessIsaLIE

    Scorpio is going to wreak the ps4 in performance. Xbox fan boys….Unite!!!

    • MickaelSuarez

      Scorpio is going to wreak the Xbox One/S in performance. Xbox fan boys….Unite!!!

    • greatnessIsaLIE

      Of course it will. It will destroy the xb1 s and the ps4 pro in performance. It’s no high end pc but definitely the flagship console of the generation.

      Xbox is going to wreck the ps4. Xbox fan boys and girls ASSEMBLE!!!!!!.lol

    • MickaelSuarez

      The Scorpio is coming quite late, with 6Tflops and will be available at a probable higher price than the others.

      It must outperform older consoles, just normal.

      “Xbox is going to wreck the ps4”
      Too late, 2:1 ratio

      http://www.vgchartz.com/articles_media/images/february-2017-sales-1-3.png

      In term of sales, it seems that even the PS3 wreck the Xbox One

      http://www.vgchartz.com/articles_media/images/february-2017-sales-6-4.png

    • greatnessIsaLIE

      Are you kidding me.lol the ps3 won’t get wrecked it not even in the same ball park as the Scorpio.
      Come on now. Stop trying to use sales as an excuse for sony. They had the most powerful Console for the past 3 years. By the end of the year it wont. So what why do you have to try and defend something that doesn’t need it..
      Whether you admit it or not the Scorpio will wreck what ever Sony throws at them. Performance wise of course. I’m not trying to bring up snes sales or anything like that.
      I never said it was going to outsell the ps4 I just said it was going to wreck it. I hear all the little kids that come into my shop to play games say that. Some are ps4 some are Xbox fans. We’re all gamers and friends though. Yes the ps4 will outsell the Xbox but it will not outperform it when it comes to 3rd party games. At least I’d hope not.

    • MickaelSuarez

      “Are you kidding me.lol the ps3 won’t get wrecked it not even in the same ball park as the Scorpio. ”
      And this is not what i wrote…

      “So what why do you have to try and defend something that doesn’t need it..”
      Just to remind you the market share after this comment:
      “Xbox is going to wreck the ps4.” which is quite different from “Scorpio is going to wreak the ps4 in performance.”

      “Whether you admit it or not the Scorpio will wreck what ever Sony throws at them. Performance wise of course.”
      As i already told you: just normal…

      “I hear all the little kids that come into my shop to play games say that.”
      Yep, clearly this is the point, a childish point of view.

      A newer console which is announced more powerful than the others must, by far, outperform them especially when it comes quite late. (and could cost more)

      Not a masterstroke, just normal…

    • Smart guy

      Lol down boy!

    • greatnessIsaLIE

      They are just kids let them have fun.

      If it’s normal then you must agree. The ps4 will get wrecked.lol
      It is childish but it sound so funny.
      Haha this whole Gen the Xbox kids have been getting wrecked now tables are turned. But that’s normal right. Playstations have been getting wrecked, in performance, for decades.

    • MickaelSuarez

      “They are just kids let them have fun.”
      Is greatnessIsaLIE a child account ?
      This could explain a lot of things…

    • greatnessIsaLIE

      Dude just stop give it up. You’re not going to make the ps4 pro more powerful by calling me childish.


 

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