“Crippling Better Version for Similar Looks” Not an Option in PS4/XB1 Development: Adrian Chmielarz

Former People Can Fly dev offers his thoughts on next gen development.

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Creative director and co-owner at The Astronauts Adrian Chmielarz is, defined by statements he made regarding the PS4 being more powerful the Xbox One. While he later stated that it was the games that defined the consoles, The Vanishing of Ethan Carter creator still has some interesting views on how to approach next gen development.

For instance, when you consider the one console is more powerful than the other, how do you sit down and develop for the PS4 and Xbox One?

“Well, you basically have three options. One, you make the best version possible on each console and don’t care that one is a bit better than the other. Two, you cripple the better version to make sure both versions look identical. Three, you spend super extra time and effort on the weaker version to get it as close as possible to the better version.”

He then states that as far as The Astronauts is concerned, the second option isn’t the best. “All I know is that option two is not an option for us. It’s not as bad as it sounds, and it helps avoid silly fanboy wars, but still, it’s not something we’re interested in pursuing.”

When you factor in the amount of vitriol that’s on offer from both sides though, regardless of the circumstances, it does take a lot of courage no matter what option is pursued. The Astronauts are currently working on Vanishing of Ethan Carter and it looks awesome.

Let us know your thoughts on the matter below.


  • bleedsoe9mm

    pc will always be the best version everything else is a crippled version

    • Jessika S.

      That depends on the persons PC.

    • lester perdomo

      not when the majority of pc gamers have subpar hardware ……

    • Psionicinversion

      The PC version will always be graphically capable of looking better as consoles cant match the level of fidelity a PC can with the right hardware

    • XDrone (is the new name)-lol

      I like now you did not address what he said in his statement , he said that most of PC gamers can’t afford a system to run the beefy mods. How much does it take to make a PC the equivalent of a PS4? I ran it by a PC guy that I work with and he said, buying parts and getting good deals, it would take about $1000 to match what the PS4 can do.
      That’s not also including knowing where to buy cheap parts, and having knowledge to build your PC.
      Me, alls I had to do was pay$399 an put the disk into the system. Bammmmm

    • Psionicinversion

      Your PC guy must be getting ripped off then or he simply hasn’t got a clue. A 6 core amd is enough to equal the ps4 micro atx MB 8GB ram 660ti smalll form factor case 500watt PSU 1TB HD can get some of that in bundles for cheaper if that costs a $1000 hes buying it from Harrods/Sears might be an American equivalent

    • Funny

      If you build a pc with the exact specs of a ps4, the ps4 will be more powerful, due to custom architecture and system optimization.

    • Psionicinversion

      ok add $100 get a 770 or 280x and that will beat the consoles for there entire life and still come in at way under $1000

    • Matthias Heinz

      Mantle and DX12 will bring them to the same level, the PC will allways beat the consoles. And by the way, a pc can do a lot more things, why shouldn´t it cost more.

    • JustinConstantino

      as a guy who built his pc, and owns a ps4 i can say, that while it wont cost you 1000usd, you would be hard pressed to get consistent fidelity equal to the ps4 if you only had 399 to spend. even building your own, 399 is the screaming edge of the budget for a decent gaming rig even if you get outrageous deals on parts and they would have to almost all be used.

    • Matthias Heinz

      At the moment, but DX12 and Mantle will change a lot of things on the PC – closer to the metal. A 1000$ PC will blow away the PS4, already now.

    • Psionicinversion

      but this is the thing a PC costs more up front as everyone put on there mark ups etc. A consoles is produced in the millions making it cheap as possible and sony is selling the PS4 at a small loss currently. But over the course of a consoles life the difference in price of games accessories and paying to play online through PSN/XBL can make up for the PC for example:-

      say theres a $20 difference in games which there prolly is and you bought 10 games per year thats $240, x 8 (the PS3’s life cycle) $1920 + accessories like controllers $60, battery packs etc etc etc it can be quite expensive but you dont see that and i think thats why they do it, you dont notice an extra $20 here or $20 there and thats how alot of things get ya. Kinda like paying for stuff with your bank card you dont notice $5 here $10 there but if you withdrew $100 then noticed the real money disappearing youd notice it alot more

    • cell989

      yeah expect not all games are available on pC on release date see:GTAV

    • bleedsoe9mm

      that’s why its stupid for console owners to argue about which is better because they both lose to pc , and if you want to play the exclusive games you need to own the system

    • mikeslemonadeFromN4G

      Not when you are deciding between which of the two consoles you want to buy. .

    • bleedsoe9mm

      if your using graphics as a criteria buy a pc

    • mikeslemonadeFromN4G

      There’s a flaw in that comment. When “graphics as a criteria”, meaning it’s only one of the criteria.
      How can one of the criteria make you go buy a gaming PC?

      Also what on PC gaming is a flagship OPEN WORLD game that looks as good as Imfamous SS. Afterall you guys are still waiting for GTA5 to come to the PC. Now eventually you guys in the PC will get a better looking game, but for now Infamous is #1 in the open world genre as far as graphics.

    • bleedsoe9mm

      if graphics is your no1 things that makes you want to buy a platform , its pc and everything else is a distance 2nd . now if you want to select a platform based on exclusives its up to your taste in games
      skyrim with the mods is every bit as beautiful as SS and its 3 years old , and you can run it at higher resolutions than the ps4

    • Funny

      The pc is extremely superior in terms of hardware, graphics, etc. And it had been for some time now….so why haven’t we seen games with the graphic fidelity of Killzone or metal gear solid on it? Why it’s it, consoles get these awesome games and the pc just gets an up-resed version of the same game? Seems like all this power of the pc it’s just too wait for console devs to innovate on the consoles an then port a higher resolution version on the pc…..

    • mikeslemonadeFromN4G

      That’s not for you decide. 6.5 mil have bought PS4 and 4 mil bought X1 for many reasons.

      You can tell a Mac guy that the PC can do anything it does for cheaper, but those sales for the Mac are going to remain high.

      Okay the Skyrim mod looks great. Still not a bad value for a PS4 owner to have something that looks just as good as Infamous SS for $459.99. Resolution is nice to have but the overall graphics comes first. I think every gamer would rather max out the graphics with the sacrifice of resolution. A lot of gamers have the resolution thing twisted.

      It’s mainly bragging rights for resolution and shows the potential of the PS4 over the X1. That’s all it is.

    • Xtreme Derp

      PS4 will be far more profitable to devs than PC, that’s why they favor it with timed or permanent exclusives. PS4 beats PC in price/performance for $400.

    • XDrone (is the new name)-lol

      Lol its hard to say both systems lose to PC, when that said game is NOT even on the PC. So tell me again how the counsels loose???
      You rly need to take a look at what you post

    • bleedsoe9mm

      lol steam has 60+million users , ps4 6 million , xb1 4million . that’s how the “counsels are loosing”

    • Funny

      What about the 80+ million ps3 owners and the 80+ million 360 owners? Forgot about them?

    • bleedsoe9mm

      my steam games from last gen still work fine on my pc , how are your ps3 and 360 games working on your new systems . the war is over pc won

    • Funny

      I have both systems…..what’s the big deal….if pc won, why are all the best exclusive games on consoles?

    • disqus_TCr2DiTW3m

      a lot of people just don’t like playing on pcs. theres a reason ps3 and 360 have around 150 million units sold, if not more

    • sonyntendo

      It depends on the PC and the console, mate.

    • Guest

      That is true kozo, but one thing you forget to add in that equation of yours :

      PC has no games… 95% of the console games (great, super one and subarones) won´t see a release for the pc ( you prefer to get BF by Gabe and his Steam Sales with very old games from the past
      B> you like to pirate
      C> you don´t have a comfy couch, hence you play on the PC
      D> you has no friends
      E> you pretend, that your intial investment of 1000 to 2000€ for a new PC with arguments like “my PC can do more than just play games”, “i can download stuff in the background, while gaming” and yet…. you´re using the PC for gaming only, barely touching or doing something else with it (editing, coding, ofimatic etc..)

      I

    • Tetaspack

      That is true kozo, but one thing you forget to add in that equation of yours :

      PC has no games… 95% of the console games (great, super ones and subparones) won´t see a release for the pc(piracy). Sure, if you´re into INDIE the PC is the platform to go or if you´re into Minecraft shait and similar, have fun.

      Meanwhile we´re playing Dark Souls 2 1 to 2 months before you guys get a chance on playing this fugly looking game on your pc. How about GTA5? That game, while still being great, is like an old sock to us…. under the bed.

      Read Dead Redemtion (not a fan of this game..)… no PC version and tons of other games you WILL never play because :

      A> you prefer to get BF by Gabe and his Steam Sales with very old games from the past
      B> you like to pirate
      C> you don´t have a comfy couch, hence you play on the PC
      D> you has no friends
      E> you pretend, that your intial investment of 1000 to 2000€ for a new PC with arguments like “my PC can do more than just play games”, “i can download stuff in the background, while gaming” and yet…. you´re using the PC for gaming only, barely touching or doing something else with it (editing, coding, ofimatic etc..)

      I

  • Guest

    not when the majority of pc gamers have subpar hardware …

  • ambleThought

    PS3 could have easily offered more content, larger worlds, longer campaigns but the parity clause for ‘content’ prohibited that.

    • Cinnamon267

      It really couldn’t have. The myth about how powerful the PS3 is was completely insane. People still believe that thing is an amazing god machine for whatever reason. And then use examples like Uncharted and TLOU as examples, for some reason. People are quick to assume art style and technical prowess are the same thing.

      Which it isn’t and never will be.

    • Axe99

      While it was the difficulty in coding for it that held back multiplats rather than the parity clause, the PS3 was a technically superior machine, and by the end of its lifecycle, this was clearly the case. There was a significant but large gap between the best 360 exclusive technically (Halo 4) and the likes of Uncharted 2/3, TLoU, Beyond and Killzone 2/3. It wasn’t just art style (the Killzone games could have looked far more impressive if they’d gone with a less grimy look), the PS3 was a technically more capable piece of kit (although the gap isn’t as large as that between the PS4 and XB1).

    • Cinnamon267

      There was no significantly large gap. That level of hyperbole is nauseating. Art style isn’t technical prowess. To even think the GPU in the PS3 is technically superior is to not know anything about it.

      Killzone would have looked great if their art was actually appealing. So hideous looking. Just an ugly sea of grey with a crap load of bloom and more grey.

      It was mostly art as to why those games look as good as they do. That’s the case with most games.

    • ambleThought

      Maybe I was mis understood, maybe not. I was comparing the DVD9 spec with limiting the size of games compared to the Blu-Ray spec. I think due to the ‘POS’ certain companies have in place, this limited the PS3 from having ‘more content’ when it was capable due to more storage space on the optical disc.

    • Cinnamon267

      No. The PS3’s blu-ray drive was hurting itself more than anything else. The horribly low read speed of that is the reason most games have installs to the HDD.

      And, games were larger in file size, most of the time, due to the need to duplicate assets and the like so the drive would spend less time seeking for data and more time reading data. You needed every milisecond of read you could get on that horribly slow hunk of junk.

      The blu-ray drive was a hindrance, more often than not. But, some games pre-rendered cutscenes looked nicer, I guess. So, yay?

      No PS3 exclusive had more content. Most of them were insanely small and linear.

    • ambleThought

      If Sony were to have wanted more content it would have been forbidden due to the ‘POS’. Bottom line is Sony decided to innovate and push the medium forward, while other companies did the reverse.

    • Hates bad writers.

      No, people really just didn’t want to deal with the POS. Lets fact it, the PS3 was a turd to develop for, Sony’s first parties being FORCED to do great works isn’t really telling. They had years longer than most devs to work on games. It was needlessly convoluted, and in the end didn’t poor out anything first party that couldn’t be done on the Xbox, with the exception of some texture advantages with a small portion of games. It had games, but the system itself was crap.

  • Xtreme Derp

    Why would devs bother putting extra work into the weaker box that’s being dominated in global sales?

    • Cinnamon267

      Because it has still sold several million units. Why wouldn’t you want to tap into that market more?

    • Xtreme Derp

      I’m not saying they won’t release Xbox games. But like PS3, they aren’t likely to put extra effort into a harder to code box with a smaller marketshare.

    • Cinnamon267

      And PS3 devs put in the effort due to the fact it had compatible market share. Especially EA. Say what you want about them they has their games on parit between platforms. Early on not so much. But, that was Sony’s bad tools and not the systems market share.

    • Dirkster_Dude

      First, they never said it was harder to code for in the remarks. Second, millions of units is still millions of untapped sales. Third, all this trying to get around the XB1 limitations will make it easier in the future to code better games that CAN be on par with the PS4 because XB1 coders have learned to work on the XB1 limitations and at the same time didn’t work on the PS4s because they didn’t have to. Four, there is a long road ahead and I don’t see either Sony or Microsoft quitting this race.

    • Xtreme Derp

      LOL. Should I remind you Xbox has yet to surpass Wii U’s marketshare?

      Xbox will never be on par with PS4, there’s a significant hardware gap that software will never overcome, plus OS virtualization overhead that can’t be removed. LOL devs won’t put effort into the PS4 versions? Utterly delusional and stupid.

    • Dirkster_Dude

      Not what I commented on and the Wii U is irrelevant for the conversation.

    • Xtreme Derp

      Xbox One is in a worse spot than early PS3 was. Smaller marketshare, harder to code for, and weaker on top of that. Wii U will continue to be relevant until Xbox outsells it. If you’re lucky that might happen this year.

    • Dirkster_Dude

      The Wii U is not relevant because it is focused on a different market segment and isn’t a direct competitor so it IS irrelevant to my points. Since I have already read comments from developers that say the XB1 and PS4 are both easier to develop games for than any previous consoles I consider your comments on that score to be complete hyperbole. Microsoft’s real issues have NOTHING to do with the XB1 being less powerful, but trying to institute asinine policies at launch that enhanced security for Microsoft while reducing choice for consumers. Being $100 more expensive doesn’t really help either. And I don’t need to be lucky that something might happen because I don’t really care. I don’t own a PS4 or XB1, but do find the articles and conversations about gaming entertaining.

    • Xtreme Derp

      zzzzzzz Xbox One multiplats will continue to run 720p to 1080p because devs can’t be arsed to rewrite their game engines around 32MB ESRAM size/width bottlenecks to appease a marketshare base smaller than the Wii U.

    • Dirkster_Dude

      Whatever.

    • Tetaspack

      Look at the Dark Souls 2 sales on Old Gen.

      3:1 in favour of the PS3… not every game needs to be on every platform, certain games simply do not appeal on certain platforms (DS2 just an example, not saying it´s bad)

    • Jeremy

      Because dealing with M$ is like dealing with a nagging wife with all this parity clause bs. They’re basically saying that they’re not in MS’s pocket.

    • choujij

      It would depend on several factors. For example, what if they’ve agreed to a parity clause? Then they need to make the inferior one better to try to match (unless they would rather gimp the better one to match). Other factors could be, maybe consistency is important to them?

    • Xtreme Derp

      The MS parity clause is about game features and release date, not necessarily graphics.

  • TristanPR77

    I don’t get why PC fanboys dwells on console articles, shouldn’t they be on PC articles? Here, we are talking about consoles. Seems to me they need attention.

  • Guest

    Poor $0N¥ paupers. They can’t afford anything else and Adrian Chmielarz is a joke of a dev.

    • Funny

      Having common sense doesn’t make you poor…..not to mention, we get all the great games first, with exclusives, and we don’t need to run fraps to ensure that our frame rates aren’t suffering….or our system is over heating….

  • Rambo Deochenta

    Sounds exactly like what happened to watch_ dogs on ps4 ,dont be surprised if it happens to the division ,u heard it first!

    • Xtreme Derp

      Watch Dogs is running sub-1080p on Xbox.

  • XDrone (is the new name)-lol

    I want the best product that you can make for my system. I don’t care if another system can’t handle it, why should my counsel be punhised for the other companies lack of hardware.

  • hiawa23

    I own both consoles and will just get the best version. Could care less about the fanboy stuff. We have always had one console more powerful in the history of consoles.

    • Tetaspack

      Maybe… but i don´t remember the PS2 being more expensive than the DreamCast (+100$), at least were i lived as a child the PS2 was cheaper.

      This time around the weaker by considerably *amount* costs 100$ more… why would someone knowing that get said product? Especially those getting a console for the first time… you don´t buy a Titan for 1000$ when you can get a “cheaper” 780Ti ~ 800$ (for gaming)?

    • hiawa23

      I think you meant the Dreamcast costing more than the PS2, cause the PS2 was more expensive than the Dreamcast, & I preferred the Dreamcast to the low res, shimmering, neauseating PS2 visuals. I like games from both platforms, so the $100 made no difference to me much like the $100 difference or $200 difference from the 360 to PS3 when they launched did not make much difference to me, of which the PS3 mainly only got used used for SP exclusives & Bluray a player. Yeah, I get it, the price is an issue which is why MS and retailers are getting the price down on the One. Simple as that.

    • hiawa23

      I paid $199 for my Dreamcast 9/9/99, $299 for my PS2 the next year, so it was $100 more.

  • John Nemesh

    If I EVER discover a title tI bought has been crippled on the PS4 to match the sub-par graphics on the Xbox One, that will be the LAST game I will ever buy from that developer!

    • JustinConstantino

      well i would expect it could happen to some of these earlier games, as they may have started develpment for xbone saw the sinking ship, and decided to do a quick port to ps4 to save money, its a business they can’t always afford to do everything they want.

    • Matthias Heinz

      All early games are only quick ports on the new consoles. Quick PS3 und XBox 360 ports, slightly pimped optics, but nothing new, to few time to do the adjustments, each console would need, especially the Xbox One version. Theres is more to come, you will see.

    • Xtreme Derp

      Go back to misterxturd’s blog and stay there.

    • Matthias Heinz

      You will never see dramatic differences, remember, your PS4 is not a Supercomputer, they are nearly at the same level. Do you sell you PS4, if DX12 games will possibly look better on the Xbox One? I dont think so, so enjoy your games, do not count pixels. :)

    • John Nemesh

      Wow, are YOU deluded! DX12 is a non-issue, as Sony already HAS a “low level” API on the PS4. Don’t buy into Microsoft’s overblown hype on DX12. And yes, there a SIGNIFICANT difference between 30fps and 60, and there is also a SIGNIFICANT difference between 720p and 1080p (which is why you can’t hardly find 720p TVs anymore…if it was so great, why are 1080p sets so dominant?)

    • Xtreme Derp

      They’re called “multiplatform” games for a reason.

  • Dikan45

    If only all devs had that attitude!

  • bit.ly/OvY4xv

    grsdgrsdg look my name up

  • sonyntendo

    Adrian Chmielarz, if you stand by your words I will get your games at full price but if you succumb to the ooh shiny things from M$ its your careers funeral.

    I wish you the best!

  • You are flat out wrong

    I was worried that devs wouldn’t rock the boat and make Xbone and PS4 versions identical this gen. So far I’m glad that hasn’t happened.

    Xbots slaughtered as per usual. :D

  • https://www.youtube.com/ButtonBros TheRedButterfly

    Good for Chmielarz. Taking the high and/or unpopular road. Doing everything to avoid the fanboy wars even if it affects your project is something I can respect. Don’t know if I’d have the ability to turn a cheek were my I able to make the best version for my platform of choice.

    • Xtreme Derp

      LOL you realize he means the PS4 version is going to be superior, right?

      Not that he’s insane like you and would cripple the PS4 version to look worse despite having stronger hardware, or put all the effort into the Xbox version.

    • https://www.youtube.com/ButtonBros TheRedButterfly

      Ahh I misread.

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