Michael Pachter: PS4 Pro’s Price Puts Microsoft In A Hole With The Scorpio

Sony may have outsmarted Microsoft.

Posted By | On 14th, Sep. 2016 Under News | Follow This Author @Pramath1605


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The PS4 Pro  reveal is generally considered to have not gone down well, with the console’s disappointing specs and functionality, and with its poor on stage demonstration, having been considered to be a bit of a letdown by most fans. However, even those who were let down had to concede that the PS4 Pro’s price point at $399 is impressive- and that it alone may put the PS4 Pro at an advantage over the Xbox One and the upcoming Scorpio.

That is what well known Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter thinks. Speaking to GamigBolt, Pachter noted that the Pro’s cheaper price and earlier launch might be enough to help it remain competitive against the Scorpio.

“I think that the $399 price point is a pretty big move by Sony, particularly with a launch this fall,” Pachter said. “It’s hard to justify buying a $299 Xbox One S when you get twice the HDD and future proof for 4K by buying the PS4 Pro.  I really think this puts Microsoft in a hole with Scorpio, as they will arrive a year late, and will have to charge competitively even to remain in the picture. Ideally, Microsoft can launch Scorpio for $299, but I don’t expect that to happen.  If PS4 Pro is $349 by next holiday, Microsoft is really in a tough spot.”

I personally think he has this right- in fact, I have said as much in the past. The Scorpio may seem to be the superior proposition by Microsoft, but the fact of the matter remains that with an early launch and a very cheap price, that can be further dropped once the Scorpio launches, Sony are in a very good place right now. For now, Sony are sitting pretty with the PS4 Pro, it seems like.


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  • crazy_black_man-

    Microsoft has been in a tough spot all gen long. Isn’t it wonderful? Their exclusives are bombing left and right. They’re giving away more free stuff/games than they ever did during the 360’s reign just to remain relevant. The Scorpio is now doomed to fail unless they give away even more during its release to convince more consumers outside of the Xbox community to support it. Good times man. Good times.

    • Chuck

      I agree wholeheartedly.

    • Andy Maas

      I think the Scorpio will be more powerful system than the ps4 pro

    • crazy_black_man-

      I don’t give a rat’s *ss how powerful it is. They should have focused on power before they released the original 900p Xbox One. The lack of power isn’t their biggest hurdle right now. Their exclusive games are failing to generate the renenue that need to challenge the PS4, and the fact that Scorpio is so far away, and the fact that a competitive price is going to force them to take too big of a loss on hardware sales, and the fact that since the money is made back in game sales, they are gonna fail big on that front too. Its a no win situation for them.

    • Andy Maas

      The only game that will sell big for Sony is the last guardian

    • crazy_black_man-

      Oh. Ok. Thanks Andy. Michael Pacter must be worried about you taking his job, you being so smart and all.

    • Andy Maas

      Sent from my iPad

    • Andy Maas

      People at Sony need to quit running their mouth about Xbox Xbox will comeback better than ever
      Sent from my iPad

    • crazy_black_man-

      LOL. It sounds like you need a hug Andy.

    • Marty8370

      Love a laugh from shitebox one owners. Who also own shitepad. No taste in tech

    • Andy Maas

      Microsoft has beat Sony in July and August in sales

      Sent from my iPad

    • crazy_black_man-

      “Microsoft has beat Sony in July and August in sales.”

      That’s just 2 months out of 3 years on the market. Careful Andy, you’ve got the dumbness dial turned all the way up today.

    • Andy Maas

      People can say Microsoft sucks all they want but in reality after the Scorpio comes out next year Microsoft will take gaming to a new level
      Sent from my iPad

    • Marty8370

      LOL

    • V8Supercar1

      Not only is that just 2 months out of 3 years. The xbox one only outsold the PS4 in America. Meanwhile the Ps4 still outsold it in total sales during those months.

    • crazy_black_man-

      True dat!

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      And on top of that they had to come out with new hardware to do it. Oh Andy…you Xbert.

    • J.j. Barrington

      In one region, by a handful of sales negated by one of the smallest console markets: Japan.

      Xbox isn’t gaining ANY ground.

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      LOLOLOL I would figgin hope so with new hardware out! Just like PS4 will in Sep – Nov.

      Sent from my computer?

    • Gamez Rule

      ☺☺☺

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      ad a couple more of months in the past and then the rest it has LOST aganist Sony….so…

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      How? it will have more power than the pro but it will be more expensive, It will have less power than a PC, but more importantly, whit what exclusives?

    • Michael

      They have to actually release it first…lol

    • extermin8or2

      Gran turismo sport? Hello look at sales of past grab turismo games…. Even 6 which launched at same time as ps4 but only on ps3 sold well….

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      what game has sell big for MS this year?

    • Andy Maas

      Gears 4

    • Darren McCoy

      But but but… The power of the cloud! 😉 There’s another dud.

    • crazy_black_man-

      LOL. The Power of the cloud as supposed to make up the difference in the lack of power in the Xbox One. Notice how they finally dropped that bullsh*t pitch line? Shameful.

    • extermin8or2

      Nah nah I distinctly remember the claim it would provide the computational power of 10 xbox’s. ;D hahahaha 12.

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      It most def will, the question is if it will have exclusives? will they be worthy? the price point?

    • Andy Maas

      I’m getting the Scorpio day 1

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      That’s good… I guess. But that is not an answer to the questions I asked.

      That is only a statement that you will buy it whether it’s worthy or not. That speaks more about you than the machine itself.

    • Andy Maas

      Microsoft isn’t worried about the ps4 pro

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      ??

      Once again, you are changing the subject.
      Who said Ms was afraid?

      More importantly, who says they aren’t? How the tuck could you possibly know?

      Bottom line, they are, because if they weren’t, they would be the most stupid company in the world, and at the very least, I know they are not that.

    • Andy Maas

      I don’t care what u to think about PlayStation Xbox gives the fans what they want

    • crazy_black_man-

      What do Xbox fans want? They stay bent over all the time. Do they want it doggystyle?

    • Mark

      Ahaha, this guy

    • kee1haul

      Sony has denied it’s customers more and more of the newest and best. Microsoft is embarrassing Sony right now.

    • crazy_black_man-

      Recore is an embarrassment. Quantum Break is an embarrassment. Sea of Thieves looks to be another embarrassment.

    • kee1haul

      You played any of those?

    • crazy_black_man-

      Yeah, I did. They were awful. More powerful hardware wouldn’t have made any difference in their awfulness.

    • kee1haul

      Of course you did. I believe you.

    • Nintengods

      And Xgimps should know that Sonycucks know all about embarrassing games

      Can’t wait for The Last Guardian getting 4/10 🙂

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      like mario tennis ? or amiibo festival? LOL keep dreaming. Obviously since the wii who doesn’t even have relevant games for years now.

    • Michael

      Meanwhile refunds are being given for no mans sky, last guardian been in development limbo for 13 years, drive dud was a dud, GT was delayed, PS vita continues to bomb, ps4 pro has the power of a smart phone, PS slim is insignificant, ps4 doesn’t support native 4k gaming or video and AMD has to take the elevator to their roof to get sony’s check because it bounced so high…lol

    • extermin8or2

      If the ps4 pro has the power of a smartphone what does that make the xbox one? An electric toothbrush….?

    • Mark

      Lol

    • Mark

      Lmao

    • bewareofZ

      You know that MS gave refunds for Halo MCC? and that Driveclub is more popular than Forza.
      How many handheld consoles have MS sold?
      By the time Scorpio is released, PS4 will be at 70-80 million and the Xbox brand will be just about forgotten.

    • Starman

      First of all dummy , no one is really pre-ordering that crap PRO(check amazon if u don’t trust my word ) ….and check all amazon regions , no one want’s that crap…… .. and a whole lot of “AWAKENED’ PS-fanboys are waiting for the Scorpio.. the XB1S is the same as that crappy NEO-PRO // it upscales , the cpu is beefier than that same crap cpu Sony been using since the PS3… the gpu is a bit more beefy than the original oh wait ! it has a 4k bluray built in and can play native 4k games if the dev chooses so…
      You dummies better be worried about the XB1S … As far as the Scorp…..go’s the isn’t even in the same CLASS ..FACTS, little boy.

    • Gamez Rule

      PlayStation 4 dominates Xbox One/s and has done this whole gen, and to be fair by the time Scorpio gets released nothing new will happen as MS will still be playing catch-up to Sony with what Sony gamers already have, like VR, 4k gaming ( up-scaled or not ) HDR, etc. If anything Sony’s PS4-Pro will look even better by than as the price will also come down ☺

    • extermin8or2

      Facts or… Rather your imagination

    • bewareofZ

      aww, did I hit a nerve.
      I promise, no PS fanboys will buy a Scorpio, for the same reason they didn’t buy a 360. It’s just about the games, It’s just too late for MS.
      Little boy.
      Next time, please try to make your reply make sense.

    • Starman

      What games ? every game 1st party flopped , delays … for what , none of them did what you fanboys wanted , broken promises .. their whole camp at Sony is trash …STFU ..lol

    • bewareofZ

      ohhh, again I can tell you’re a little angry, like a child denied sweets in a supermarket.
      How have the 1st party games flopped exactly?
      This is where you provide a link to prove your ridiculous statement.

    • Brad Marcus Kirchhoff

      Speak for yourself. Ive owned 1 MS console in my life, the 360 while owning every playstation console ever made. Ive pretty much hated MS…..Call me a Sony fanboy but Im switching to Xb Scorpio when it releases bc I know about Consumer Education. We had that class in our high school when I was younger and it showed me how to make calculated economic decisions. My calculations tell me the Pro is not the console I should choose. The Scorpio will give me more for my money spent. Its all about logistics.

    • bewareofZ

      I don’t believe you, sorry.
      For a start, your consumer education would have told you not to make decisions when you don’t know the price of a product….

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      The xbone s is the same that ps4 pro? you call that bullshtt facts?

      The pro is THREE TIMES more powerful!

      That “crapy gpu” is being used in consoles MORE POWERFUL than the M$ ones. so the 360, xbone and xbone s are inferior to crap.

      No one is worried about the xbone s, and the only thing you have correct is that scoripo os on another class, because IT IS A NEW CONSOLE!

    • Starman

      Still in the xb1 family … not a next-gen console ….

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      WRONG!

      1st it is not in the xbone family, otherwise it will have the Xbox one name attached. And it doesn’t have it.

      2nd. it’s 4 times more powerful than the xbone. That’s no longer an upgrade. That’s a redesign.

      3rd. The family thing means nothing. The iPhone 3 is the exact same family than the iPhone 7, but they are definitely DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. And while the 7th can run all the previous games, the iPhone 3 can’t run most of the iPhone 7 apps.

      So go and read some more before making false claims.

    • Starman

      Stupid … “Scorpio” is a code name … Like NEO , not the final name .. IDIOT,….It plays the same games .. you Sony fangirls are IDIOTS…

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      Yeah stupid, which means not me nor YOU know the real name.

      Now, tell me again, which exclusives will it have? We already know that having a pc will make it irrelevant, but, please, tell me about the exclusives…

    • Tomaterrrx

      Since when was Driveclub more popular than Forza?

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      Drive club was a bad launch, now it’s one amazing game.

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      And how is fable legends? phantom dust? better 10 years later than NEVER!
      Drive club still looks better than Forza.
      Ps4 pro is 3 times more powerful than xbone so xbone has the power of a cellphone (not smart). Slim is more powerful than xbone S.

      Get your facts right before you talk.

    • TPoppaPuff

      The Order 1886 is an embarrassment. No Man’s Sky is such an epic embarrassment they’ve been forced to give refunds on it And… well, gosh, other than Uncharted 4 they haven’t released any exclusives to even call an embarrassment. I guess you truly won, huh?

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      blodborne, ratchet and clank, MlB the show, FFXIV…keep talking.

      Any 90 exclusive on the xbone? ANY?

    • TPoppaPuff

      Yes, if you like masochism like bloodborne, or arguably MLB, then Sony is the place for masochists. Ratchet and Clank is decent.

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      Lol typical fanboy response: “I have no real answer so I’ll guess I will invent some adjectives ”

      So, you can’t handle something like Bloodborne? That’s on you, but still it’s a game superior to ANY xbone exclusive.

      ” Arguably MLB” as if all gamers are so into forza, but I’m bet you champion it every chance you have.

      Ratchet and Clank is “DECENT” LOL and it’s so superior to recore and quantum break so I guess those are not even decent games. And are THE ONLY EXCLUSIVES MS has so fast this year. THAT’S AN EMBARRASSMENT!

      So I’ll guess you truly lost.

    • TPoppaPuff

      LOL, kid. You call me an Xbox fanboy. Xbox fanboys call me a Sony shill. I’m the same person, my views rarely change, my opinions certainly haven’t changed on any of the games mentioned but both sides claim I’m a fanboy for the other.

      How do I lose? I have every console. If there’s a game that’s out, I can play it and usually have my choice on how to play it, which is typically on PS4. So I guess I truly won, while the little kiddies who only have one console like yourself who have to ruthless defend their parent’s choice of console for them at all costs, spew hate and gibberish and question people’s manhood based on how much obfuscation their willing to put up with in Bloodborne, those are the ones that lost.

      Nice try though, squirt. Hope you mowed enough lawns this summer for your parents to save up for that Pro. 😉

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      So… Everyone but you thinks you are a fanboy… I wonder why? Lets see…

      11 days ago you made a completely false statement regarding the exclusives available on the ps4…fanboy behavior… Or just a liar.

      When I corrected you WITH VERIFIABLE FACTS and asked you a very specific question you… “tried” to avoid facts by using labels (and false ones BTW) and FAILED completely to answer the question. Definitely fanboy behavior.

      I didn’t even say you were a fanboy, I told you your answer was typical of a fanboy, so you can either read properly or have trouble understanding… Fanboy behavior or just stupid.

      And it took you eight days to come up with an irrelevant, unverifiable tale that contains… Not 5,not 3 not 2…not a single one fact… Yeah, analysis complete : you are definetly a fanboy.

      And for all you know, I could have all the consoles or none at all, that wouldn’t change the fact that you were wrong and I was right.

      And that’s what is called fact spanking a fanboy! So you truly lost. Get it fanboy?

    • J.j. Barrington

      Newest and best? Such as?

      I love these generalizations. They say so much without saying a thing.

    • extermin8or2

      The cloud rofl (you know that tech that’s floating up in the sky in terms of what it was meant todo fir performance I recall claims of up to ten x power if xbox one. Hahahaha

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      Umm did sony denied top quality in its exclusives? do xbox owners have a better game than Uncharted 4?
      Do you have more games in xbox than the PS4?
      Do you have better indies?
      Do you have better 3rd party support?
      Do you have a more powerful console?

      I dont get you.

    • Nintengods

      And the best part is that sonycucks like yourself will be killing yourselves en masse now the PS4 Prolapse is the blunder of the century and no one wants an upscaling machine either.

      No more Sonycuck and Xgimp cancer on the industry. What a beautiful age we will live in 🙂

    • crazy_black_man-

      Nintendo is not even invited to this argument. Kick rocks loser.

    • Nintengods

      Nintendo is above you cancerous sonycucks and xgimps as they actually make games 🙂

    • Eddie Battikha

      Because of those games cough cough Project Zero Wii U had cancerous sales, Go back to ur hole and stay in it little shill.

    • extermin8or2

      Lol what you mean they made games? Now they mostly seem you just re-release what they made in the 80’s and 90’s.

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      Any one of those scored higher than Uncharted 4?

      Beat it Loser!

    • crazy_black_man-

      Kids games. Little kids games. Games made for little toddlers like you. Now go away.

    • Nintengods

      So you won’t be buying little kiddie games like Gravity Rush 2 or The Last Guardian then.

      $ony doesn’t make games anyway 🙂

    • NL37

      haha! sony cucks and xgimps 😛
      PS4 player by the way, just came to lol

    • Darren McCoy

      What a shock!.. £349 console not quite as good as £1500 PC.

    • Eddie Battikha

      Ur still not over a 2017 Zelda game that is cell shaded, have a very jolly good time with ur Last Gen NX.

    • TPoppaPuff

      Oh look, everyone. Pramath jumped on his alt account.

    • HAppY_KrAToS

      For sure, you must belong to the huge + 70% of people who wont see a girl before 35yo, won’t talk to a girl before 50yo, and when you finally are 65yo, the only women that you will have feelings for, will be 6 and 8yo girls.

      Ps. Whenever your right hand feels bad and hurts, and starts losing some skin, you shouldn’t be blaming your gaming controller quality, in the first place , and should look somewhere else.

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      Says the mororn whi got tricked into an inferior machine that finally got HD graphics …SIX YEARS LATER! LOL

    • Luke Skywalker

      Not sure what alternate really you live in

    • Michael

      It’s called ponyland. A place where you can eat playstations because they taste like tootsie rolls.

    • Luke Skywalker

      lol lol

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      So xbone is dominating the market in your realLITY? Are Quantum Break
      and Recore receiving stellar reviews? Isn’t there any free games in the
      purchase of the xbone? Did MS gave more free stuff in the 360 era than
      the xbone era? How facinating!
      Whats the name of your reality? Xbotia?

    • crazy_black_man-

      LOL!

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      So xbone is dominating the market in your realLITY? Are Quantum Break and Recore receiving stellar reviews? Isn’t there any free games in the purchase of the xbone? Did MS gave more free stuff in the 360 era than the xbone era? How facinating!

      Who is the president in your reality?

    • Luke Skywalker

      Xbox is not dominating the market but it is selling faster than it’s predecessor which means the console is selling great
      —-
      MCC, Halo 5, Horizon 2, Ori, inside, sunset overdrive did great in sales and reviews.
      horizon 3 looks to be a hit
      Gears 4 looks to be a hit
      cuphead looks to be a hit
      sea of thieves looks to be a hit
      – where are xbox exclusives bombing left and right?
      —-
      Microsoft had games with gold before xbox one was launched but Microsoft is giving the same amount of games per month per their console platform, it not different than what others are doing.
      Microsoft gave free games with xbox 360 purchase before xbox one launched, its nothing new to the xbox.
      —-
      free games started late in the xbox 360 lifetime but early in the xbox one life time, therefore over time free on the xbox one would surpass those given on the 360. it’s a rhetorical if not an extremely asinine statement to make because they were not given because of the reason he talk about.
      —-
      gauging from online forums, chatter in the few gamestop stores I’ve been into, the scorpio is set to sell quite well and it won’t be because Microsoft will be giving more free things.

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      Yes, it’s selling well but it’s being dominated by the ps4, as he said. So you cannot deny that.

      Yeah, they did all and scored good, but below the top ps4 exclusives.

      Notice how you had to go all the way back to the last year? Meaning this year exclusives like quantum break and recore bombed.

      MS wasn’t giving free games until ps+ did. (exactly late into the end of the 360 era).

      Lol, there’s nothing but a release window (further than 12 months) and the words 6 teraflops, but you and your gamestop pals already know how good will it sell… Lol grow up!

      You are free to daydreaming, but please, refrain to try to pass wishful thinking as facts.

      So, as you can see, he was talking about THIS reality!

    • Luke Skywalker

      he didn’t say it was being dominated. you’re having reading comprehension issues. he said it was in a tough spot, which in reality it is not. = therefore, must be from another reality

      ps 4 exclusives were never apart of the discussion so stop trying to move the goal post. he said xbox games were bombing left and right which they are not, which means his statement is not true = lie = therefore, must be from another reality.

      also, what do you mean notice how I had to go all the way back, I mean what does that have to do with anything, saying something is happening left and right is just another way of saying it’s happening often and you’ve seen, it is not. Every platform has games which falls short, no man’s sky says hello, but it is not happening often to be classified as “left and right” on either platform. = therefore, must be from a different reality

      the free stuff is not done to keep xbox one relevant because they have been doing it since 360 and it averages the same amount for each month. therefore, must be from a different reality

      yes, it is a release window and a few specification points but by no means is it “bound to fail” and the only way to save it is to “give away even more [free stuff] during its release to convince more consumers outside of the Xbox community to support it”. common sense would tell anyone that the console has a good chance of selling well based on the information they’ve given, coupled with all the talk online and in stores about the console

      so with all that you and him MUST be from a different reality.

      anyway, at the end of the day, I’ve learnt nothing from you, nothing insightful or informative came from you. Toodles

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      Ok, the only point, ONLY point you have is that the Scorpio is not bound to fail, it’s a possibility, but there’s no enough information, and I really don’t think it will.

      Being on a tough spot doesn’t mean you are losing money, just that the things are getting so difficult that you need to make changes, let’s see if Sony has forced MS into making changes :

      They made them change the always online plan.
      They made them change the do disc sharing plan.
      They made them ditch kinect (which was essential according to MS).
      They made them lower the price.
      And lower the price one more time.
      And lower the price and give away games with the purchase of the console (now you can find it for less than half the original price and with a game)
      They made them hide the sales.
      They made them cancel their bull… Policy of “if you want to launch a game on Xbox it has to launch first on Xbox (or at least simultaneously).
      They made them give free games with gold, yes it was at the end of the 360 era but only after Sony made a success of it in the ps3.
      They made them announce a console without actually showing it even after MS mocked Sony for doing that.

      MS wouldn’t have done all that if they hadn’t feel they were on a tight spot.

      And all that was IN THIS REALITY!

      Oh, recore and quantum break were both disappointments and (unlike no man’s sky) those are the only exclusives the xbone has in the last 10 months. ALSO IN THIS REALITY.

      Bottom line is, no one knows how good /bad Scorpio will do. Specially with no information but the words 6 teraflops. At 400? Runaway hit, 500? Success dependent of the games /exclusives, at 600? Trouble most likely. But we don’t know.

      All we have learned from you, is that you are a naive fanboy that will believe anything positive you hear about the console you want. Oh, the gossip in the basement of one store… That’s plain foolish. Gamestop managers don’t even know about the cost of the Scorpio! What the employees think of it is irrelevant at this point.

      At least patcher (whose work is based on analysis of this things) isn’t saying how the Scorpio will fare, he’s only saying that the price will be key, and the price ps4 pro will put MS in a tight spot one more time. Maybe they’ll eat a part of the cost and will be fine, but just like they put Sony on a tight spot by making the Scorpio announce, ps4 pro puts them on a tight spot again. In this reality…

    • extermin8or2

      Irony is that the xbox ones sales any other gen would probably have put it ontop or close to it lol

    • J.j. Barrington

      It’d have to go back three generations in order for that to be true. It’s selling slower than the PS3, which is Sony’s slowest-selling console so far; that means the XB1 would have to be on the market during the N64 era in order to be on top or close to it.

      Not seeing the irony.

    • extermin8or2

      Really? I thought it was doing better than that? Lol oh well… Tbh it was way more expensive than it ought to have been when it launched. Ms dug their own grave.

    • Gamez Rule

      To be fair price doesn’t stop people buying consoles as PS3 proved as it was more money than 360 and still outsold it

    • extermin8or2

      It outsold it after its price dropped to a more competitive price point. Then further accelerated it’s sales when the slim cheaper ps3’s released and by that time they were firing out quality exclusive after exclusive in a way Microsoft weren’t.

    • Gamez Rule

      PS3 from release was out-selling 360 within the same time-span which also included sales before price drops took place. Hence why no MS home console to date has outsold a Sony home console within a single generation.

      But Wii smashed them both ☺

    • crazy_black_man-

      I spent the money. Had to have it.

    • J.j. Barrington

      At one point, the XB1 was selling faster than the 360. Thing is: the 360 sold slower than the PS3, and that was Sony’s slowest selling console. So you’d have to go back to before Sony made consoles to get to a time where the sales of the XB1 would be near or at the top of a generation.

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      Sure? Wasn’t the PS1 dominating in that era? I dont think Xbone can outsell the PS1.
      In fact I am SURE it wont!

    • J.j. Barrington

      I screwed up, lol. Forgot N64 was PS1 competition.

    • QUIMICOMORTAL

      He he you really surprised me.

      I thought, really? Barri forgot about the ps1?

      It’s OK. It happens to us all.

    • Brad Marcus Kirchhoff

      Thats funny bc I only see ppl leaving Sony…Like myself. After Sony has shown they dont care about gamers they just want the money..Im switching to Xb when the Scorpio releases. Just tired of being lied to and played like a puppet. When Sony begins to address their issues snd starts to get in touch w the consumers THEN ill start supporting them again. Ive spent thousands on Sony products but enough is enough. They gta win me back or let me go. MS sucks but at least they are much more transparent. They dont feed fans w as much bullshit as Sony has done in the last 5 years.

    • TheNorthFace

      doomed? lol they are both selling well, ps4 is just selling better, but i think scorpio will be a game changer, no other console has ever offered such a high quality experience at console level

    • Mike

      Scorpio is just another console. In a year or two after Scorpio comes out, Sony releases a more powerful console. The leapfrogging has begun. Nothing about the Scorpio will be game changing, it can’t be since it’s still tethered to the OG Xbox one.

    • TheNorthFace

      sony won’t roll another console till 2019 by the looks of things, they have 4k support and vr so they will probably just continue to leech of gullible sony fanboys like they did with the ps4

    • Mike

      2019 would be within the year or two of Scorpios release. I see the Xbox guys as more gullible than ps4. I have gotten a lot of rpgs that I love on ps4 and I will be getting a psvr. If I cared about halo or gears of War, I might get an Xbox, I don’t . Right now the only game that looks halfway decent is dragonscale.

    • Gamez Rule

      Remember what MS done with XBOX?… They dumped that console and made 360 ( within 4 years of each other )…… XBOX Nov-2001 – 360 Nov-2005 ( History repeating itself )? Carry on reading☺

      If you look at this you’ll see what I mean. ( we know what MS done with XBOX and 360 within 4 years ) but now look at the power jump from Xbox 360 to Xbox One and the from Xbox One to Xbox Scorpio? You’ll see it’s actually four times more powerful each time?

      Level of difference between Xbox 360 and Xbox One (0.3 TF vs 1.3 TF)
      Level of difference between Xbox One and Scorpio (1.3 TF vs 6 TF)

      *Approx-time span from Xbox one to Scorpio = 4 years*
      ( Xbox One Nov- 2013 – Scorpio Nov-2017 )

      It’s clear that MS are just cutting this generation short with starting a new generation just like they did with the original Xbox.

      In My Opinion Sony’s next gen console = Nov-2018-Nov-2019 to compete with Scorpio.

    • Mike

      I agree man, I am betting that Microsoft leaves the original Xbox one behind. The jump just seems too much. It’s possible they will just up the graphics, or down them depending on how the devs want to do it. I just can’t see how with the amount of power the Scorpio will supposedly have, the devs won’t add extra features into games. The only thing that makes sense is for them to make the next generation, whenever it comes, compatible with the Scorpio but not the original Xbox one. That way the Scorpio owners are good for awhile and the original Xbox one owners will have to upgrade right away. Sony can do the same.

  • Terminator

    Does it now? Well since PS4 Pro is competing against PC(LOL they wish especially since it lacks basic features) which is twice as powerful, twice as costly and has twice the games I don’t think cost will be an issue. Scorpio is just a Steam like machine.

    • Illusive Man

      That doesn’t have Steam in any shape or form. See how dumb you sound?

    • Terminator

      Did I say it did? No What I did say was that the Xbox Scorpio will be like the Steam Machines. You know those PC like consoles Valve was promoting to take over the leaving room like consoles have been doing.

      Next time try reading or you will be the one that sounds dumb 🙂

      Like I was saying PS4 Pro isn’t a competition to PC since it lacks many features PC has, like it being open platform where you can do whatever you want with your games like making mods and what not.

      Sony may be in the lead but that doesn’t mean they can get comfy because Microsoft is also part of the PC space in other words Microsoft will always be a competition to Sony.

    • theduckofdeath

      The thought did cross my mind; would MS allow a Steam app on Scorpio?

    • Terminator

      Never.

    • crazy_black_man-

      Play Anywhere is nothing like Steam. Its the joke that keeps on giving. Don’t even get people started on the Windows Store.

    • crazy_black_man-

      “Sony may be in the lead but that doesn’t mean they can get comfy”

      What? Sony couldn’t give half a damn about an Xbox right now.

    • Gamez Rule

      So really IF Xbox Scorpio will be like the Steam Machines then we can look at Scorpio as the same way as we did with Steam Machines….. Just buy a PC☺

      Truth is what’s the point in having Scorpio IF they are going the way Steam Machines tried when PC offers more of an open platform like you pointed out. ( Steam Machines failed for reasons )

      In the mean time Sony are sticking within the console way of gaming, and I’m sorry to point this out too you, but many people ( millions and millions of people ) are happy with just that.

    • Terminator

      and if Sony thinks it can compete against PC with its PS4 Pro then we are better of by buying a PC which will do exactly what Sony wished the PS4 Pro did. Also Microsoft and Xbox are more well known than steam in the console arena so if they wanted they would be more successful than Valve with its steam machines.

    • crazy_black_man-

      And we all know how well those “Steam like” machines are selling.

      Hilariousness.

    • Gamez Rule

      ☺☺☺

    • Luke Skywalker

      Not sure what you meant by “steam like machine”. It just seems way out of place and pretty easy to take out of context, so care to elaborate?

    • Terminator

      How hard can it be to understand Xbox Scorpio will be the equivalent of a Steam Machine. Steam Machines where Valves answer to consoles. They wanted to expand steam to the leaving room and making PC like consoles (aka Steam Machines) was that way. Microsoft is doing that exact same thing they have their own PC like console, Scorpio, and also have a store in the PC arena as well.

      Like I said, Sony is deluding themselves if they think Scorpio or Microsoft isn’t a competition.

    • Luke Skywalker

      It’s very hard to understand that Scorpio is a “steam like machine”, frankly it makes no sense.
      I think you should first the ask the question: what makes a steam machine? And then answer out from there.
      Is it the type of processor, ram, components used? No.
      Is it Because it has a store on 2 “different” platforms? No.
      Is it because the OS and store is controlled by one platform holder while hardware is made by 3rd parties but is focused around games? Yes.

      Does xbox or playstation falls into this category? No.
      On consoles the OS and hardware are developed and sold by sole manufacturer. The xbox has always been a living room device, it isn’t in the process of trying to be one.
      To expand on my thought process, consoles are built around custom/semi-custom chips while steam machines are built around off the shelf PC parts which can be bought in stores like best buy or Newegg.

      Comparing xbox to steam machines just shows how out of the loop you are.

    • Terminator

      “Is it Because it has a store on 2 “different” platforms? No.”

      As a matter of fact it does. Windows 10 Store on PC and the Xbox Store on the console.

      “Does xbox or playstation falls into this category? No”

      Yes they do and to be more precise Xbox falls into that category more than PS4.

      Regrdless of that the only one out of loop here is you because consoles are evolving and wont be like they used to be. Consoles are becoming closer to what PC’s are. In fact Xbox already has many of the perks PC has like mods, emulation(still on trail), etc. Microsoft knows the Xbox brand doesn’t get them the revenue they want so they are looking to PC (their biggest market) for that but that doesn’t mean they will kill of the Xbox since that’s their “steam machine” Trojan horse to control what little leaving room there is left from Sony and Nintendo.

    • Luke Skywalker

      that’s a lot of straw you’re reaching for there buddy.
      the “2 different platforms” bit was a setup to watch you fail hard.
      the Microsoft’s store is also on windows phone too where you can buy and play xbox live connected games and even play with or against those on PC. does that mean, windows phones………..are steam like machines too? 😮
      the windows store is available on multiple platforms: PC, Xbox, Mobile, HoloLens which all share the same xbox live network. therefore, the store couldnt’ be the reason to class it as a “steam like machine” because it doesn’t fit the mold.

      again, steam machines are built around off the shelf PC parts, where anyone can install the Linux based OS.
      consoles are build around semi-custom chips where no one but the manufacturer sells the hardware and OS. consoles have always been a part of the living room.
      having PC features does not make the xbox a steam like machine because Mods and emulation were never started or pioneered by steam.

    • Terminator

      No straw reaching, just stating facts which you cant handle. Also it seems you still don’t understand my comparison with the Steam Machines or anyone in here for that matter.

      Let me ask you this, why did Vale start making this steam machines? I will answer: “to bestow upon PC gaming the ease and accessibility that console gamers already enjoy” To expand their store not just to PC’s but to the leaving room. In other words what I am comparing is the reason why the steam machines where made.

      PC gaming is growing in user base, games and power and both Microsoft and Sony know that, thats why each company is doing console gaming differently this gen and it wont stop there.

      Microsoft is expanding its Xbox brand to PC because not only is PC their biggest market but the Xbox brand alone isn’t generating them enough money but as I said that doesn’t mean they will just scarp the Xbox they will keep making “PC like consoles” just to keep a hold on the leaving room. Sony made the PS4 Pro because they see PC as a threat and even if they don’t want to admit it Xbox is also a threat.

    • Luke Skywalker

      Actually the steam machines Initiative started because valve’s Gabe was afraid that Windows with its new store in Windows 8 was going to take over with Microsoft stifling steam in some way or form and locking out others which would cause users to move to the Windows store. Gabe believed that Microsoft was on its way to create a closed system or less open system which would not be good for Valve. Gabe lashed out at Microsoft and the windows store (well documented).
      He wanted to make sure that his revenue stream was secured which is why Valve chose a non Windows OS, Linux which already have some market share to be the base OS.

      Xbox 720 leak from years back spoke about xbox gaming everywhere (xbox PC, phone). Therefore Microsoft was already with the intention to have their games on other devices other than Xbox hardware. Nothing new value did.

      At this point you’re seeming quite out the loop there buddy.

    • Terminator

      That’s fine, but that still doesn’t negate the fact that steam machines where to be Valves version of a “console” while still being having all the perks that come with a standard PC to control the leaving room and solidified their stance in the PC gaming arena, of course bad marketing and other problems where the reason for their failure but that’s besides the point.

      “Microsoft was already with the intention” Bet one of their intention was not to be out classed by Sony and PS4 and everything that came after that. Whatever intentions or plans they had with their Xbox brand changed maybe not completely but they had to go back to the drawing board. (Regardless this intentions weren’t followed closely or taken to seriously because if they where people wouldn’t act so surprise with all the moves Microsoft has been doing lately, which I do welcome)

      So in conclusion, nothing you say will change the fact that console are evolving and wont be your standard console anymore especially when they are closer to what a PC is in this day and age. Xbox Scorpio is the equivalent of a steam machine in the sense that it is there to keep the leaving room under Microsoft control while still having the alternative of pushing their plans on PC.

  • red2k

    Lol…

  • Hvd

    he is just a analyst get gets paid to guess.the last analyst article said the ps5 was coming in 2018..lol.you shouldnt care about what an analyst says.

  • Illusive Man

    The Scorpio will be priced competitively. They already know how badly the $500 mark hurt them. Microsoft won’t repeat the same mistakes. Plus components still have time to come down over the year and a half until launch.

    Come November 2017 when Sony drops the PS4P price to $349 and Microsoft launches at $399-$449, people will be ready and willing to pay the extra for the superior console 4k experience.

    • Gamez Rule

      I wouldn’t be willing to pay that amount for a Scorpio when I already would be using the Xbone and PS4-Pro, I would want next gen by then so would skip that console and wait for new hardware.

    • Jason V

      Microsoft said that the Scorpio will be a premium product. So expect $499 minimum. And with world events ie: the nato/ russia conflict. If that gets any bigger. I wouldn’t even expect the Scorpio to release next year. World events have a huge impact on companies. Reasons why the ps3 and 360 had such a long life cycle. The 2008 financial crash. So many things could happen between now and then. Scorpio is just talk atm with no reveal at all besides some pretty e3 slides. As much as I enjoy both these consoles. There is no doubt an early release of pro may affect the Scorpio when it finally releases. Especially if next year the pro is dropped to $299. Which they could do. Fanboys are just fanboys. They have no concept how business works

  • TheNorthFace

    MUCH weaker hardware, no 4k blu ray, ugly design.. i don’t think so, in a years time the scorpio will be around the same price.

    tomb raider in high settings 1080p can’t even maintain 60fps on pspro, how will they manage to make upscaled 4k look decent? the system is a joke.

    • J.j. Barrington

      I’ll take your word for it that the system is a joke. You are, after all, one of the biggest jokes I know.

  • Mark

    I can’t understand why some people rejoice over who sells more consoles, when they aren’t even investors in these companies, ahaha c’mon. Now, what really matters is; POWER! Why? Because we all wanna play at the highest frame rates with the best possible visuals, at the lowest possible cost. Now who won last gen in sales? Nintendo. Now, what has that done for Nintendo fans, in a beneficial way? Nothing worth noting imo. Did they get back a check from Nintendo saying “Thanks for the support”? Nope. I might brag about having one of the best online services, because that directly affects my games, but people get hyped about sales. “We win”. Lol. What did YOU win? So lemme ask everybody in the room, which one excites you more; sales numbers, or power?

    • crazy_black_man-

      “So lemme ask everybody in the room, which one excites you more; sales numbers, or power?”

      Exclusives. The right answer to the wrong question.

    • Mark

      Every major multiplat outsells the biggest exclusives on both systems. Also, the biggest exclusive for PS4 (Uncharted 4) hasn’t shown to sell more than 4 million units by any source. While GTA V and Black Ops 3 is still in the top NPD for PS4….

    • crazy_black_man-

      Which should tell you what exactly?

    • Mark

      Which tells me that people want multiplats more than exclusives. COD and Destiny alone sold substantially more than UC4 in the same time period, in which Drake should be the main reason PS4’s killin Xbox no?

    • Mark

      Here’s PS4’s reasons for leading; 1) Price advantage for 8 months 2) More powerful 3) Microsoft and DRM at E3 4) PS4 Was sold in more markets than Xbox

    • Gamez Rule

      Console exclusives / exclusives within Multi-plats like *Destiny* / VR, etc. More console sales showing more game support I guess.

    • Gamez Rule

      Sony gave PS+ users a free gift after 5 years supporting their service. Gamers got a free personalised print of “everything they achieved as a PlayStation Plus member” placed in a nice frame too ( Just saying ☺ )

    • Mark

      In the last 12 months I’ve recieved 2 free games from MS on Live, a 360 title and X1 game….

    • Gamez Rule

      I’ve received more than that myself from MS, all digital but Sony gave out a physical gift as well as digital to gamers.

    • Mark

      My question is; were those gifts a result of Sony winning last gen? It can’t be because 1) they didn’t win and 2) other game companies do it too

    • Gamez Rule

      Just stating that Sony did reward gamers by posting out rewards ( not just digital rewards ) like some do. And yes Sony also gave out free games etc,

    • Mark

      Well that’s cool but I never said Sony didn’t. Just making a point about fanboys, aka cheerleaders..

    • Gamez Rule

      I must have missed your point then?

    • Mark

      Ok this article’s about Pachter stating that Sony has Microsoft screwed because by the time Scorpio drops, the PS4 & Pro will have bigger install base and price point. Pretty much Sony will win this gen. I believe that. But as I scroll down to the comments, I see Sony guys boasting about this….and I’m wondering why. They feel they WON, but what did they win? It’s really a question for them, the fanboys, but they won’t answer me…

    • crazy_black_man-

      We won! We won!

    • Mark

      Lmao. I wanna win too

    • extermin8or2

      People feel it justifies their decision to buy a ps4 instead of an xbox one. Often people will have been told by someone in the other camp they’ve made a mistake or whatever and had their decision derided so if the side they went with was the more popular one they feel it ratifies their decision plus there’s the added benefit of general attention and favoritism by publishers and such towards the console with the biggest install Base if the margin is large enough.

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      I’ll guess at it: “the Popularity contest’ or diversity in games?
      Last gen PS3 was looked as the underdog.
      For the first time not by choice personally I’ve picked the most popular one, and it’s weird I must admit.
      My History:
      Atari 5200, Sega Master System, Saturn, Dreamcast, (PS2 ya popular but never really played it was in University) PS3. So as you can see always the underdog. This time around PS4 hey look at that got the popular system, how about that. Do I care no, I’d still prob still get a PS4 if it was an Underdog again. Will I be looking into Scorpio once that’s released I think so, come 2017 between, Ori, Quantum Break, Cuphead, Crackdown 3, Gears 4, perhaps Recore, HD BluRay Playback they’ll be enough reasons to justify a purchase of a second system.

    • Mark

      Well Sony has always provided a diverse lineup of games. That isn’t the result of them winning any generation tho. As for them being the underdogs, I understand what u mean, that u wanna see them win. Cool. But they really aren’t and haven’t been the underdogs. Ever since 2001, Sony’s been the most popular gaming brand out there, while Microsoft has been established around 2007. Nintendo is almost irrelevant with respect to consoles. So while Sony made mistakes last gen with PS3, they’re still the most popular out here.

    • Mark

      Well my original comment above had a question at the end of it. U responded with the fact that Sony gave u gifts, cool. But is that ur answer to my question? Or maybe u thought I was sayin sumthin else, is all good

    • Gamez Rule

      What I’m pointing out is no matter what company wins the gamer benefits from all ( not just the winner )…

      But when we look at how this gen has turned out we can see that the console with the mass market behind it has more developers supporting that console more than ever before? Console exclusives / exclusives within Multi-plats like *Destiny* / VR, etc. More console sales showing more gaming support from developers I guess.

    • Mark

      Yeah man we can see this comp between Microsoft and Sony is very good for us! They’re trading shots feature for feature to get us behind them ahah. It’s good. S’why you won’t see me worshipping one and bashing the other.

      As for special DLC the PS4 got from Destiny, I think it was more about the marketing deal than Sony being the leader. Remember, the PS3 had special DLC too at a time when 360 was lead platform. LA Noire’s PS3 dlc comes to mind in 2011. So I disagree here bro.

      VR is exclusive to PS4 because, well, the X1 can’t run it lol. Which is sad tbh. And mainly the exclusives Sony gets over MS (in terms of non-indies) is Japanese games. I could explain why this is, but I think we both know the reason(s)

    • Gamez Rule

      Truth is the game exclusives and exclusives within games help sell consoles, and that is what’s helped every gen to date shift hardware, which in turn gets developers support more than ( lets say the not so good selling consoles ).

      Sony just has more exclusive for gamers of all types on PS4 to enjoy when compared to MS and their Xbone, and that is clear as a bell that these cannot be played on a PC☺.

      PS4 is also seen as the better gaming device for bringing new gaming experiences like VR to it’s hardware without needing a new console change, and that is another important factor to consider when buying consoles ( what will it allow as a gamer ) and Sony nailed it over other console makers. People want to know what they are buying and that’s just what Sony did, unlike MS with their console which had so many changes along the way as well as needing new hardware to keep up with gaming demands etc.

      Sony just made the right choices for console gaming at the right times when compared to MS.

    • Mark

      Gamez, the major multiplats on PS4 shifts waaay more units than PS4 exclusives, even UC4, which hasn’t hit even the 5m mark according to any source. Those exclusives ur referring to are either Japanese, or indies, almost all of which sells supremely poorly, in some cases less than 100k. Why aren’t these exclusives lighting up NPD or European charts, or even Japanese charts? Well, because MOST PS4 owners don’t care for them, in relation to, multiplats. The sales numbers gap for the exclusives and for the multiplats are wider than a Solar system man. If u believe that’s what’s moving PS4s then ok, but I need to see the evidence boss.

      Here’s the real reason why PS4’s in the lead;

      1) Price advantage for 8 months at launch
      2) More powerful and hits 1080p easy in multiplats
      3) Was available in more markets than Xbox
      4) Microsoft’s botched DRM pitch at E3

    • Gamez Rule

      Look at what exclusive content is available for PS4, when compared to Xbone, ( NOT just game console exclusives but also IN-GAME exclusives from Multi-plats, etc ) hence exclusives help shift hardware no matter how good or poor exclusives sell.

      Example: To play Forza games you needed a MS console, to play all Gears of war titles you needed a MS console/ ( Until MS took that away and placed them on PC / Windows 10 )

      Example: To play Gran turismo you needed a Sony console, to play all uncharted titles you needed a Sony console/

      No matter how good or bad those exclusives sold you needed those consoles to play certain games *until MS took that away from it’s console supporters*, hence why you’ll see gamers stating things like this nowadays…..”No point in having Xbone anymore as all the exclusives are coming to PC” ☺

    • Mark

      Hunh? If these exclusives are the reason people are buying the PS4, then where are the sales for exclusives to reflect that? Are u saying that people are buying the PS4 simply because of the feeling that they don’t wanna miss out on its exclusives? Yet when the exclusives release, they suddenly lose interest in them? U cannot believe that brother, no way lol. Ok, what is it exactly that makes u think people are buying the PS4 MAINLY for its exclusives?

    • Gamez Rule

      What I posted above is what *helps* shift hardware and *helps* sell consoles. To deny that or not see that is beyond me.

      When gamers see that one console gets favoured over another with game exclusives as well as in-game exclusives from multi-plats that helps gamers to decide what console is getting the developers support and attention, which in turn people will see a spike in console / hardware sales ( like already seen with PS4 over Xbone ) and the lack of sales on Wii U due to the lack of developer support Wii U didn’t receive shows this.

      Although Exclusive console games do not sell as good as most Multi-plats they are still what people wanted ( Forza sold crap but still a spike in console sales / Uncharted 4’s release saw a spike in console sales )

      PS4 is selling better than Xbone for many reasons ( everyone has their reasons why ) and from the looks of it PS4 is the console gamers chose over Xbone for whatever reasons buyer see fit.

    • Mark

      Well I never said those things don’t help sell systems, no doubt they do. But have a look at this survey done by Nielson co. It shows the top 5 reasons why PS4 is selling so much;

      1) BETTER RESOLUTION 2) Blu Ray 3) Game Library (ambiguous term) 4) Faster Processing 5) What Family wants.

      None mention exclusives. However, for the X1 and WiiU exclusives are listed as numbers 4 & 5. PS4 says Game Library, but not, exclusives. Since these aren’t exclusives I reckon they’re multiplats in general, but will perform better on PS4. The number 1 reason is RESOLUTION tho, and this means that alot, of PS4 owners value power over everything else, which makes my point.

      http://www.idigitaltimes.com/ps4-vs-xbox-one-nielson-survey-shows-brand-loyalty-and-fun-factor-top-factors-next-417725

    • Gamez Rule

      AS a gamer of both consoles I didn’t buy the consoles for resolution ( otherwise I wouldn’t use Xbone ) but I bought PS4 because 99% of the time extra content was on more games when compared to Xbone. Sony just has more and offered more ways to play in the gaming department than MS offered.

    • Mark

      I hear u. It’s factual that PS4 has more overall content to play. Agreed. I just think there’s some bigger reasons people are buyin it over Xbox

    • Gamez Rule

      Truth is Xbox One lost it’s identity upon release. Or as supports of the changes stated *simply refocused*. It’s no secret that the XBOX One is failing to compete in every area with PS4, from size to performance, and from games to content, making the PS4 an obvious choice.

      I believe that where MS are doing so many reversals on what they promised, people just left MS behind for Sony and their PS4… But like I said people have many reason on why they choose consoles.

    • Mark

      The core of the system remained consistent, other than Kinect. We have great pads, great online service, blah blah blah. Love my Xbox from day one. I don’t regret anything MS has changed. Anyway we just disagree. See u round mane

    • Mark

      Look I’ll say this, if I was a die-hard Sony gamer (I’m a die hard Xbox guy), then I’d say hey, the PS4 is super successful, and I know Sony’s gonna keep pumping out new games and new systems for years to come. The Playstation is going nowhere. Now I could say that without having to bash the competition, just seems alot of people on the net cannot….ugghh. Guess it’s just human nature. But that’s exactly why I avoid people

    • Tga215

      Logic don’t apply to fanboys

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      I think it’s just the internet.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Your question is ridiculous.

      However, if there’s one that benefits gamers more, it’s probably sales. Using the anomaly that is last generation doesn’t make for a very good argument, though.

    • Mark

      Well I understand what u mean. My reasoning? It seems Sony fanboys just has to win somehow, some way. So because they won’t have the power argument soon, I see they’re boasting about sales below. So that’s why I asked them specifically, what’s more exciting, Sony announcing sales numbers, or the power of your console? Lmao

    • J.j. Barrington

      That’s ignoring that the sales argument has been used for years. As have games. You’re basing your comment on the subject at hand as if that’s the only argument that’s been made. But if you go back, Sony fans have presented each of these points as reasons for why Playstation wins.

    • Mark

      In short, I framed my question to them to make a point; that power matters, more than sales. No, sales isn’t their only argument but it’s arguably their main one. So I ask, which one of the two, has more value. Never said these are the only indicators of value. But that sales, stacked up against power, loses, in terms of the value of a system, to a gamer. Hence why who sells more is asinine to me

    • J.j. Barrington

      Hmm, but historically, sales have meant more/better software support, and even longevity of your console.

      Besides, how did a lack of power harm the amazing libraries of Sony’s other consoles? Their first two consoles were, if I remember correctly, the weakest of their time; both are cited as having among the greatest lineups of all time.

      Sorry, but your point doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

    • Mark

      Never said sales didn’t matter….I said, the WINNER of the generation doesn’t matter. Which is the rhetoric these fanboys are obsessed with. Check out how the Wii performed, then look at what happened with the WiiU with 3rd party software support, as a recent example of this false notion. Didn’t matter that they won 7th gen. “Winning” a generation doesn’t equal more and better games than your rivals, just developer confidence. If that’s the case, PS4 shouldn’t have more games than WiiU because, they “lost” to Nintendo last gen, right? Yet, they have way more games than them lol. For varying reasons. There’s way more to dev support than “winning” last gen….

      And u mention PS1 & PS2 (PS1 was my fave system all time!), for their libraries. Where did I say a lack of power kills a console’s games in quality? We’re talkin 8th generation, PS4 vs Xbox One, where 80% of the games are on both systems, where we can directly compare multiplats in performance…this is a far cry from the PS1 and 2, where Sony locked down all 3rd party studios. The Scorpio and PS Pro will have Face-Offs on Digital Foundry. In which case we can directly compare system to system. Where we goin wit this one?

    • J.j. Barrington

      “Never said sales didn’t matter”

      Didn’t imply that you did.

      “I said, the WINNER of the generation doesn’t matter.”

      You also rather plainly said sales, themselves, don’t matter.

      “Which is the rhetoric these fanboys are obsessed with.”

      Not really. They’re talking current sales rates, and I’m sure I detailed- and can further expound upon- why sales DO matter.

      “Check out how the Wii performed, then look at what happened with the WiiU with 3rd party software support, as a recent example of this false notion.”

      Uh, no. The Wii U was a victim of decades of Nintendo mistreating third parties, coupled with Nintendo thinking they could repeat the success of the Wii in the same way. The Wii didn’t have much third party support, either; it didn’t have anything to do, specifically, with sales OR power.

      “just developer confidence.”

      Ah, I get it now.

      “If that’s the case, PS4 shouldn’t have more games than WiiU because, they “lost” to Nintendo last gen, right?”

      That’s not how this works. That’s not how ANY of this works. Remember how Cerny and the rest of Sony went to devs and asked what they wanted? THAT’S why the PS4 has more games. The PlayStation is a system that devs wanted as much as gamers.

      “For varying reasons.”

      Yeah.

      “There’s way more to dev support than “winning” last gen.”

      No one has yet claimed it was tied to victory in the previous generation. My own comment was about the current generation: the larger your install base, the more appealing you are to developers. This is true for every gen, of course, and it’s one of the reasons many games that would have been playable elsewhere- like JRPGs- were exclusive to the 360 last time around. I’d have thought that would have been obvious.

      “Where did I say a lack of power kills a console’s games in quality?”

      You said power was more important that sales. These two consoles- among others- didn’t suffer by being weaker than their competition. On the other hand, their MASSIVE leads in the sales department led to them getting even MORE software support.

      “We’re talkin 8th generation, PS4 vs Xbox One”

      Remember how some people thought the XB1 was gonna be the big seller, so they made deals with Microsoft for exclusive games? Notice how all the smaller developers choose to develop for PS4 first, where they have the largest chance of making money? The advantage in software availability this generation isn’t about power, but install base.

      “The Scorpio and PS Pro will have Face-Offs on Digital Foundry.”

      Okay… Well, logically speaking, the Scorpio should win every face-off. However, that won’t matter much to developers, since they’re more likely to develop for the system with the bigger potential audience. That’s almost certainly going to be the case here, and you know it.

      “Where we goin wit this one?”

      I dunno about WE, but YOU’RE going nowhere, because you still don’t have a point.

    • Mark

      Point out where I said sales don’t matter at all.

      As for the obsession the Sony fanboys have, it isn’t simply sales they’re arguing, it’s that they think being in the lead means more and better games! I can’t make that more clear to you bro. Never said sales dont matter ahah. But that more power is better than simply being in the lead! The lead. Please stop arguing if sales matter or not….I’ve no debate there.

      You’re basically making my points, that because one is in the lead with sales, it doesn not mean, that you will get more and better games. However, pushing units consistently throughout the year in general, means there’s developer confidence. We should agree here. But simply being in the LEAD, does not mean u get more games lol. Deals, and contracts do.

      With respect to Indies, we both know why those devs went to Sony first….they dislike Microsoft’s policies, that’s provable. As for Japanese games, we know how badly the Xbox One bombed there. So of course those studios wouldn’t waste their time. Has NOTHING to do with PS4 being in the lead….ugghh

      So then, do u mind posting for me all the triple A 3rd party exclusives Sony’s getting? With the massive lead they have? The other markets I just explained why there’s subpar X1 support from. So I keep asking you guys, where’s the evidence for this “In the lead” theory? It ain’t JRPGs or indies, for reasons I stated above. So where?

      Thx for making the point about WiiU. Developer support comes down to more aspects of said system, than it being the leader in market share. We agree right? That’s why I asked u about it. You just said yourself Sony inquired with devs on what they wanted in PS4, and THIS is why it has 3rd parties behind it, not simply because they’re in the lead…..

      No, the PS1 caught alot of 3rd party exclusivity because the Saturn and N64 bombed so hard….like the X1 in Japan. However, this isn’t the case with the Xbox 1 worldwide sales! It will sell what the 360 did atleast. Where’s all the triple A 3rd party exclusives for Sony, like back in the day?! That’s my point, they won’t abandon the Xbox, because it sells systems. So where’s the advantage? Behind the veil somewhere?

      As for the smaller studios I covered that already.

      As for power, no, I’m asking what’s more valuable to a gamer; the system with sales LEAD, or, the more powerful one? The example you posted about PS1 & 2, aren’t fitting, because all 3 of its rivals performed poorly, with some being rushed. So devs naturally left. With the X1 this isn’t so, this is a different situation where both systems have 80% of the same games. Developers are on BOTH, because they both sell well. So, you won’t see that same advantage the PS1 & 2 had with respect to big 3rd party exclusives! Which mainly gave them more value than their rivals! So power matters now more than ever between the PS4 and X1! Because we’re mainly playing the same, games. I conclude, the system with more sales THIS GEN, does not provide more value to the gamer than the one with more power, because, it is not securing big 3rd party exclusives anywhere close to the old days….where as higher frame rates and resolution gives the clear advantage over the other system’s version. So this generation, power is more valuable to gamers than a simple sales lead.

      What studios are gonna develope for PS4 Pro, and not the Scorpio? They’re gonna have largely theee same games…

    • J.j. Barrington

      ” it’s that they think being in the lead means more and better games!”

      History kinda proves that to be true, at least largely so.

      “more power is better than simply being in the lead!”

      But you haven’t proven how this is true. How does it benefit gamers?

      “You’re basically making my points,”

      I’m doing the exact opposite of that, actually.

      “But simply being in the LEAD, does not mean u get more games lol”

      When that lead is tens of millions, it actually DOES. And that’s what we’ve been discussing. Not close races where the difference is a few million, but situations where there’s 20+ million between the leader and the nearest competitor. PS1, PS2, Wii, and PS4 all have that sort of gap, and they ALL benefited in terms of software support. There is NO ONE familiar with the industry that believes otherwise.

      “they dislike Microsoft’s policies, that’s provable.”

      They disliked them last gen, too. But guess what: Xbox was the console to have here in the west. It DECIMATED the PS3 and even the Wii here in the US, and was dominant in the UK; these two countries make up a great amount of the indie devs out there.

      “As for Japanese games, we know how badly the Xbox One bombed there.”

      It also released BEFORE the PS4, if I remember correctly. So there was that opportunity. Still, you can’t argue that the lack of software support there is OBVIOUSLY about sales, or the lack thereof.

      “So then, do u mind posting for me all the triple A 3rd party exclusives Sony’s getting?”

      Yeah, actually I do mind. Because what you WANT to do is discount certain games for the sake of your narrative. In this case, the only games that count are “big AAA third party non-JRPGs,” which is a stupid stipulation. And if you’re willing to narrow it down that far, I wouldn’t put it past you to find some way to discredit any game I listed. So I won’t be going that route with you.

      And I’m frankly done “debating” this with you.

      The fact is: you asked which was more important between power or sales. You have yet to explain how power is more important, have failed to explain why sales are less important, and have even helped refute your own argument by pointing out examples where sales do, indeed matter.

      You’ve lost this, and rather thoroughly.

    • Mark

      “How does the more powerful system benefit gamers”? Wow. It provides higher frame rates and better graphics than the rival system. This is key because both PS4 & X1 share most of theee same triple A games! So what’s left to distinguish them apart, in the games department? Power. Less u think those indies and niche titles are system sellers? And they aren’t even a result of being the indusrty leader in sales anyway.

      The PS1 had big time games in developement even before launch! Why? Multiple reasons, some devs simply could code easier for it than Saturn’s API. Some simply liked Sony’s approach to game design. U had Sqaure Enix, Namco, the list goes on, this was before there was even a huge intstall base. And then Saturn eventually sold only 9m units for the lifespan. Publishers want to sell their games on every platform, unless, they get a big check, or they won’t make sales on failing systems. So I’m saying, that big time 3rd party EXCLUSIVITY (which is a huge console differentiator) happens MAINLY, when one system fails, and the other does great! It isn’t simply because one has a sales LEAD. Again, where are the big time differentiators on PS4?! Why do both PS4 and Xbox systems have Tekken, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Resident Evil? In which case, only Sony had them back in the 5th and 6th gen….no Sony guys have answered this, because it doesn’t exist. Less u can prove it….

      U said yourself the 360 had some decent JRPGs….but nobody bought it in Japan. The system died fast. Naturally devs ignored, again, a dying system. If it had sold well there devs woulda still supported it, regardless of PS3’s lead, obviously to make more money. But, key word, it DIED.

      And yeah I ask u to list these exclusives on PS4, why? Because you would use those games to solidify your argument that people are buying the PS4 over the X1. This is what happened in the PS1 & 2 days right? We bought them for Metal Gear and Tekken no? So there should be system sellers on that list that would give you a foundation for that argument. So because I’m not convinced of this opinion, and seeing that both systems share roughly the same triple A games, I believe having more power, is more important than being in the lead, keyword, the LEAD, sales wise, because more power means higher frame rates & better visuals, while being the leader in sales brings….well I can’t see any clear benefits from it, other than what you ASSUME is a result of it, more Indies and JRPGs..

    • Gamez Rule

      I just see it as it is, and that’s people bought PS4 more than Xbone this gen. No matter what reasons people believe are behind it the truth is that PS4 is the leading console this gen.

    • Mark

      Yeah I’m not sayin power is everything u know. Just that too many fanboys say sales are everything. PS4 is great tho bro, hope u have fun with the Pro

    • Juner

      Yeah, you lost this. 🙂

    • Mark

      Here you go; a recent Nielson report shows the number one reason why people are buying the PS4…and it ain’t for exclusives. Granted this isn’t everyone, but it shows how high up people rank power nowadays..

      http://www.idigitaltimes.com/ps4-vs-xbox-one-nielson-survey-shows-brand-loyalty-and-fun-factor-top-factors-next-417725

    • J.j. Barrington

      Game Library is third on the list. Blu-Ray player is a weird inclusion, since so many had a PS3 last generation, the XB1 has one this generation, and the devices were cheap enough standalone in 2015, when the survey was done.

      Furthermore, there’s no detailing what percentage of people chose that as most important. For you, it might be sufficient enough, but there are too many details left out for my liking.

      But hey, it works for your narrative… even though it doesn’t, since you do ignore that Game Library is high up on the list of reasons why people bought the console.

    • Mark

      Didn’t I say “This doesn’t mean EVERYONE” in that post? I know it’s not the end all be all. What I’m saying is that there is some evidence to my point. But anyway

    • Mark

      In fact, let’s look at PS1. It was Sony’s first console, yet, they managed to garner all the support from 3rd parties. They didn’t win the generation before that, obviously, so how’d they keep multiplats off other systems? Hmmm. It dam sure wasn’t because they “won” a generation! Does that hold up to your scrutiny?

    • J.j. Barrington

      “so how’d they keep multiplats off other systems?”

      You must not know your gaming history. The PS1 brought a viable version of a much sought-after new format to gaming, one we still use today: discs.

      “Does that hold up to your scrutiny for what I’m pointing out?”

      You’re not pointing out anything valid, so no.

    • Mark

      JJ, the Saturn had CD-ROMS too. If u want I could link u an article about how the Saturn was tougher to program for than PS1. Devs did not like Assembly Code programming, but this has nothing to do with install base….

    • J.j. Barrington

      VIABLE version, I said. You don’t read well at all.

      AT ALL.

    • Mark

      Check it, the MAIN reason 3rd party publishers will sometimes lock down their games to 1 system, is because they believe they won’t make back the money it would cost them to make a port for the other, failing console. This is exactly what’s happening in Japan with the X1. Read about this awhile back. All publishers want to sell as much units as possible, on as many platforms as possible! They need a good reason to lock down their title. That could be a big check, or they want to avoid wasted resources on a port. However, the Xbox One sells scores of millions of multiplats every year. They won’t just abandon Xbox! We’re playing the same big budget triple A games lol. So, to what big benefit is having the system that’s in the sales lead? I don’t even think u stand for this argument much, it’s more targetted toward the fanboys…who of course can’t answer me with something tangible.

    • J.j. Barrington

      “failing console.”

      So sales, then.

      “the Xbox One sells scores of millions of multiplats every year.”

      Depending on WHERE you’re talking about, yes. Since we’re talking Japan here- or have been- there are lots of games that are multiplat elsewhere, but exclusive in Japan because it’s just not worth it.

      “We’re playing the same big budget triple A games lol.”

      Not “we.” You. Between multiplats and exclusives, my library has always tended far heavier toward the latter. On all consoles. My 360 was for Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, not Call of Duty or Mass Effect. My PS3 was for Uncharted and Valkyria Chronicles, not Madden or Assassin’s Creed.

      My PS3 was also for Journey and Noby Noby Boy, not just big budget titles. The same is true on PS4. It’s also why I buy handhelds. Cuz I play games that interest me, not their budgets.

      “to what big benefit is having the system that’s in the sales lead?”

      You, yourself just spelled it out: software. Devs go where they can make the most money. Usually first, and sometimes ONLY there. The PS4 has a massive install base lead over the competition: it has more than twice the games. The Wii has a huge lead over the others and though it’s mostly shovelware, it has far more games. Ditto PS2 and PS1.

      Is your reading comprehension so bad you don’t even get YOUR OWN words?

    • Mark

      Here u go again with sales; I said, sales matter. However, simply being in the LEAD is of little benefit. U know, if both systems sell well, but one’s in the, LEAD. Sheesh dude.

      So we agree on Japan yes? For the fact that X1 doesn’t sell there, is the REASON the PS4 has more games comin from there? Because devs won’t support a failure? Ok.

      Me and you aren’t playing the same games ok, you’re into the smaller niche games, cool. But those don’t move systems, maybe in Japan, but not in NA, UK or Europe. I mentioned the big multiplats because that’s exactly what the PS1 & 2 had exclusively over their rivals to win. The MAJORITY of people aren’t buying the PS4 for those smaller, exclusives. Today PS4 doesn’t have this. Drives home my point…where’s the 3rd party exclusives Sony used to have? Just smaller JRPGS and indies? Of which MOST PS4 owners aren’t interested in…

      Sigh. U got it wrong man. The fact the PS4 has twice more games isn’t because of its bigger install base (Sony guys keep thinking this). Again, the games it has exclusively, MAINLY comes from Japan (of which we already agreed to why that is; the X1 bombs there) And indies; in general, they don’t like Microsoft’s Indie clauses, this even goes back to 2013, before there was even any install base. Their policy is being more relaxed now that Phil’s there. So, that has nothing to do with PS4 havin a bigger base. Devs want to sell their games on all platforms, unless it’s on a failed system, or sometimes bad policies if ur an Indie! So, they don’t go exclusive just cuz u have a bigger base, there’s other practical reasons. I did mention this above, so on the contrary YOU may not be reading my words.

      You guys keep saying more exclusive software is the benefit of having the bigger base, but I just explained why u have those, smaller exclusives, and it ain’t because of a BIGGER base.

    • Juner

      Your reading comprehension is so bad you don’t even get YOUR OWN words? 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      Keep trying.

    • extermin8or2

      Sales matter. Because if the console user Base is larger the market share is larger which means for developers and publishers it’s worth more money ti ensure the version of a game on your device is the best it can be, has fewest bugs and is optimisedas well as much as they can. It makes it worth having it as the lead console version in development and means exclusives are most likely to be for Your platform.

    • Mark

      Sales matter yes, and having the lead platform should translate to smooth and optimized games. However, most of my games on Xbox run great, so I don’t need it to be lead platform. And Sony still has to pay for those exclusives that devs may target. So…anyway we just differ on this

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      Last gen when PS3 was in second place or some might even say third, the games were great. They only became the top selling system (Vs Xbox) near the very end of it’s life cycle.

      “Sales matter yes, and having the lead platform should translate to smooth and optimized games.” Well that just hasn’t really turned out to be the case for PS4 or XB1 this gen. Most releases run like shyite here’s looking at you Ubisoft.

    • Mark

      Most of your games run like crap? Lol. Most of my games run great; Blops 3, Tomb Raider, Halo 5 etc gotta disagree with u

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      Really how’s that MCC, Recore doing, it’s mostly 3rd party games that run like crap BTW, on both systems

    • Gamez Rule

      The bloody UI on Xbone does my head in. It’s unacceptably laggy and sometimes incredibly unresponsive. The general unresponsive control and clunkyness with the added slow navigation hopefully will get sorted out by MS.

    • Mark

      Oh so because SOME games have had launch problems, then that somehow means MOST of them have launch problems? U said MOST games run like crap in ur reply to me. Do u stand by that?

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      I was exaggerating, it’s mostly Ubisoft games with a few here and there from other developers. Honestly I took it as you were just attacking Sony’s games, miss read since I really should be working not posting. :}

    • Mark

      Nah not attacking. Sony’s games are no doubt good. My question was for the fanboys who parade sales as a way to attack anything good Xbox has goin for it. Thats all. Good day bro

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      Neither, (In no particular order) Well thought out games, with good stories, great game play, diversity in games on platform, 3rd party support, a solid frame rate of either 30fps or 60fps. I don’t know what happened where everyone thinking power is the most important thing now, It’s not. Sure it’s a bonus 4K, HDR, and a constant 60fps, but that’s not what makes a good game.

    • Mark

      Never said power is everything, I said which aspect of a console do you value more; how much it sold, or how powerful it is?

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      “I said which aspect of a console do you value more; how much it sold, or how powerful it is?”

      I believe I said neither.

    • Mark

      Ok so why reply to me at all if my question doesn’t apply to you? It clearly doesn’t apply to u brother

  • Liam Argent

    If you want to see more of what Michael Pachter has to say about Playstation 4 Pro then you’d better visit SIFTD.net! A great gaming site that not many know about!

    • Nintengods

      Get lost, pajeet

    • Liam Argent

      Don’t worry! The likes of you wouldn’t belong on the site anyway!

    • crazy_black_man-

      LOL!

    • Ucouldntbemorewrong

      Back to the basement prepube!

  • kee1haul

    Not really Michael, a year from now parts will have more bang for the buck. It will match price and have higher spec.

    • J.j. Barrington

      But they’re not making it a year from now, with prices from a year from now.

  • Gamez Rule

    Until Scorpio hits the market no-one can really state that it’s better than PS4-Pro as anything could change between then and now with it’s final spec/hardware. It’s ok MS talking about how powerful the Scorpio is BUT that could change.

    Sony has about 14 months market share with PS4-Pro before MS even release their Scorpio, so lets be honest, buy the time MS release that console it will be playing catch to VR gamers ( as all PS4s can play VR games already ) and will still be millions behind PS4 in consumer sales, and let’s not forget that PS5 could be on the market by late 2018 or early 2019.

    Sony has the most powerful console released to date, and once PS4-Pro releases PS4 nothing changes as Sony still has the most powerful released console on the market ( with games not on PC or Xbone )

    By the time Scorpio releases the PS4-Pro should cost about £299 which will still be a good buy in 14 months time no matter how you look at it.

    • Eddie Battikha

      Sony is switching to a 3 year hardware refresh cycle, this way technology isn’t held back and evolution will continue. PS5 in November 2019 will be the Ultimate 4K gaming console, they easily have a 7nm APU from AMD.

    • extermin8or2

      I expect so yes.

    • Roger Kelly

      2018 is the rumour that Sony has planned for the PS5 release. Wall Street Journal technology reporter Takashi Mochizuki tweeted that Damian Thong, who leaked the release of PlayStation Slim and PlayStation4 Pro, says Sony will release PlayStation 5 by 2018. Links below 🙂

      http://www.isportstimes.com/articles/14337/20160913/ps5-release-date-specs-latest-rumors-sony-playstation-5-2018-4k-resolution-hdr.htm

      http://asidcast.com/sony-to-release-playstation-5-by-2018-according-to-rumours/

    • Eddie Battikha

      He said may arrive, it all depends on how PS4 Pro sells in the next year.

    • Starman

      This dude is dreaming … that’s like saying the pro is more or just as powerful as a high end gaming PC… GTFO..

    • Gamez Rule

      I’m dreaming Lmao!

      You need to get out more and see the REAL deal MS are pulling over gamers eyes ( again ) ☺

    • TheNorthFace

      why are you being a dreamy fruitcake? ps4pro is 4.2 vs scorpio 6 tflops. get it through your fruity mind. and ps vr is a a very low entry level experience which is far too expensive, most people will turn to occuls rift to use on either pc or scorpio for a decent experience

  • Eddie Battikha

    It’s Ps2 And Xbox all over again, Better and more games beats better hardware power and u can play Xbox One exclusives on PC.

    • Gamez Rule

      And what did MS do with XBOX…. They dumped that console and made 360 ( within 4 years of each other )…… XBOX Nov-2001 – 360 Nov-2005 ( History repeating itself )?

      Well if you look at this you’ll see what I mean. ( we know what MS done with XBOX and 360 within 4 years already ) but now look at the power jump from Xbox 360 to Xbox One and the from Xbox One to Xbox Scorpio? You’ll see it’s actually four times more powerful each time?

      Level of difference between Xbox 360 and Xbox One (0.3 TF vs 1.3 TF)
      Level of difference between Xbox One and Scorpio (1.3 TF vs 6 TF)

      It’s clear that MS are just cutting this generation short with starting a new generation just like they did with the original Xbox. A poor strategy for loyal Xbox supporters but the same strategy nevertheless.

  • DA-ROOSTER

    I hate it when people here say that Xbox doesn’t have exclusive because the games are also on PC yet none of you here have a PC that can run the games

    • J.j. Barrington

      Is that a fact?

  • TPoppaPuff

    PS4 response has been indifferent because everybody already knew everything except the price and date, which ended up being the logical conclusion. To say it didn’t go down well is just trolling. It didn’t go down well with MS and Nintendo fanboys, sure, but among the general general populous everything people already knew is still the same. People who were going to buy one haven’t changed and people who weren’t going to buy one are still not going to buy one.

    Honestly, Pramath is a troll. Like how many times this month has he done this? I don’t know if it’s Sony bashing every time but I know he makes flamebait just to get comments on his terribly amateur articles.

  • TPoppaPuff

    As usual, Pachter puts things into the right perspective. It’s gonna be tough for Microsoft. At the same time, if there’s a company willing to take a huge loss just to gain marketshare, it’s Microsoft.

  • J.j. Barrington

    Did you get your concern over the console from Xbox fanboys?

  • Mr Xrat

    All this Xgimp delusion and rationalizing. Delicious.

  • Martin Brentnall

    Personally, I don’t care how competitively priced or more powerful the Scorpio is. Microsoft are still a much less trustworthy company than Sony. Microsoft don’t have any track record of properly supporting their consoles properly right through to the end of a generation (it’s still amazing to me how badly Microsoft dropped the ball with the 360 and allowed PS3 to overtake in sales… OTOH, PlayStation support usually overlaps from one generation to the next). Microsoft have consistently less interesting exclusives (and, right now, they don’t really have any exclusives since pretty much every XB1 game is also coming to PC). Microsoft have a tendency to abandon their current market whenever a new cash-grab opportunity arises (see the original Kinect). Microsoft have a history of consumer-unfriendly policies to the extent that they actually pushed too far with the Xbox One launch (don’t fool yourself; I doubt they’ve changed. Microsoft will take any opportunity to make a buck at the expense of consumers if they think they can get away with it – they almost never push “good-will initiatives” like Sony have with Instant Game Collection, Cross-Buy, etc. unless they’re forced to implement these things by the competition). Microsoft also have a poor track record in their products outside of Xbox for consumer support (I don’t care what anyone says, Windows is still a terrible OS).

    And then there’s VR. I love the fact that Sony have taken a huge chance with VR, and I’m shocked that Microsoft haven’t even bothered to make any effort to compete with their own VR solution. VR is what I want more than anything right now, and the lack of any competition in the console space is almost as absurd to me as if Sony had announced the PS4, and Microsoft had just said “Well, we already have the 360 and that’s good enough”.

    Sony have their flaws too, but nowhere near the extent that Microsoft has. Call me a fanboy if you like, but I’m going PlayStation for the foreseeable future unless Sony do something incredibly stupid, or Microsoft turns themselves around (and even then, it’s going to take many years for Microsoft to establish a good track record).

    • Gamez Rule

      Some very good points raised and good views too.

  • David Pechacek

    There is no way Scorpio will be $299 at launch. $399 possibly if Microsoft doesn’t mind losing money or breaking even at best. But more likely, $499.

  • Brad Marcus Kirchhoff

    Logistics tells me otherwise. Yes, there may be a rush of ppl buying the Pro on release but its ignorant to say that will impact the sales of the Scorpio that releases a year later. Ppl will already want “more” in a year and thats going to make ppl rush to the Scorpio. Plus if u can afford the 4ktv needed for true upgrading then its safe to say u can afford either console. Price is taking a backseat at the moment bc of the 4k tv necessity. I know my 55 inch 3d tv that cost around $2,000 doesnt have the requirements for 4k or hdr…Therefore I have to buy a new tv AND console. So an extra $100 on the Scorpio is really irrelevant when already needing to spend a good $1,000-$2,000 to get set up.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Logistics would affect the Scorpio as well, wouldn’t it? Plus, I don’t think that’s the word you mean to use.

  • Evil_Annie_2015

    The next thing gamingbolt can do is to ask Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump about technology costs….lol

    • Mark

      I wanna say ur referring to GamingBolt’s messy website, but I don’t know lol

    • Evil_Annie_2015

      Bill Ackman can give them an accurate analysis on gaming..:)

    • Mark

      Ahaha. I like GamingBolt for what they cover, but sometimes their analysis has me like “Hunh”?! Pramath tries his best lol


 

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