PS4 Pro Creator Thinks At Least 8TFLOPs Are Necessary For True 4K Gaming

But the visual difference between PS4 and PS4 Pro should be immediately apparent.

Posted By | On 31st, Oct. 2016 Under News | Follow This Author @Pramath1605


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The PS4 Pro is going to use a variety of techniques to hit 4K resolution for gaming, but it’s not a true 4K machine- it cannot render most of its games in 4K natively. On the other hand, Microsoft claim that the Xbox One Scorpio, their mysterious new console that is due out in Holiday 2017, and which will have a 6TFLOP GPU, will be able to deliver ‘true 4K gaming.’

However, Mark Cerny, the lead architect on the PS4 and the PS4 Pro, seems to disagree. In an interview with Japanese website AV Watch. (via DualShockers), Cerny said that at least 8TFLOPs would be necessary to deliver on true native 4K gaming- which is not something that he believes can be delivered at a coat effective price this year.

That said, he also said that users will be able to discern the difference in visual quality between PS4 and PS4 Pro games at a glance- so if that difference is clear, the difference between the PS4 Pro and the Xbox Scorpio should be even more so, even if the Scorpio is unable to deliver on its promise of native 4K gaming.


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  • DA-ROOSTER

    More control damage from Mark Cerny and Sony lol

    • Mr Xrat

      How’s this damage control, Kirk? We’ve known since the specs leaked in March and the realities from 4K gaming on PC

      Oh wait, I get it, it’s because it means the Shitpio isn’t the gamechanging beast you so desperately want it to be.

    • jp

      Cerny stated the Pro with having 8 TFLOPS…. just shut up. this is getting stupid lame.

    • Mr Xrat

      No he didn’t. Xgimps really need to stop lying about what Cerny said concerning tech. It just makes them look like salty, bitter losers.

    • jp

      Salty? Im waiting for Scorpio, ig at all the salty ones are u pony drones.

    • IamTylerDurden1

      Keep waiting, it’s gonna be a while. Meanwhile Horizon and Mass Effect Andromeda will look great at native 1800p checkerboarded to 2160p. The funny thing is with all the new and proprietary tech in Pro, games won’t even look much better on Microft’s unintuitive, big, dumb, raw power machine.

    • jp

      a while? its gonna be awhile until you get any Sony exclusive, (Xbox near future releases: Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2, Scalebound, Sea Of Thieves, Halo Wars 2 and many more). Sony: 2020 guys thank you! I bet you are one of those people claiming to notice 120 lines of resolution, but wont notice real 4K from checkerboard rendering… hahahahaha LAME!

  • So this is his way of saying what the PS5 will be 😉

    • Starman

      there will be no PS5 , they’re broke ..

    • Their financials aren’t that bad anymore, but they are definitely a 1 trick pony based on PS vs a diversified electronics conglomerate like before. I think the lack of innovation b/c of restricting budgets due to being a 1 trick pony will hurt them more in the long run vs what XB has done with constant updates…

    • Paul Josephson

      You are right with PS4 representing over 75% of their profits for the first two quarters of this year they do have serious company wide problems to deal with in retrospect with most of all the other divisions under-performing or drowning in loses. They will have to rethink their commitment to certain divisions. Investors sooner or later are going to want Sony to move away from areas that are dragging down the overall health of Sony the corp. It wouldn’t be a problem if they had cash reserves to support these companies to try and ride out the storm. The problem the storm has been going on several years now with no end in sight and no guarantee if they do continue to batten down the hatches using their cash reserves those divisions would still continue to sink. For example, Sony Pictures over 2 billion invested in last year in producing entertainment (movies, TV) but after all that barely registering with around $30 million in profits for the year. Similar numbers for the year before. Electronics is the biggest drain of the big areas (PS4, Movies, Music, Financial/Insurance, Electronics/Mobile/TV/Semi-conductors). Music, along the PS4, are the truly only bright spots for Sony and even music isn’t a completely rosy picture, but at least it is not barely squeaking by. But, heck the PS4 is the goose that laid the golden egg with all it’s revenue/profits it is racking up for the company. Even so, if I was an large investor I would worry about. as you said “1 trick” aspect of the companies profits.

    • IamTylerDurden1

      XB? Huh? XB or Microsoft? Microsoft stole windows from Apple and created a monopoly. They don’t build anything, they hardly innovative, talk about 1 trick…

      The XB division is a jk in terms of innovation. The reason Scorpio can’t release until 1yr from now is bc it hasn’t been in development long. They only started development when they got wind of a potential upgraded PS4 in the works. They aren’t even building their own VR headset.

    • Technically Apple stole GUI from Xerox so at least get your facts straight. Was referring to sources of revenue and income. Sony used to be a electronics company with multiple sources of income. Now they are primarily dependent only on Playstation for revenue and profits. Get your facts straight.

    • jp

      pretty much.

    • Mark

      Uhhh, Scorpio has been in developement “for well over a year” per Microsoft. So no, it ain’t because of the Pro. The actual reason it’s releasing in 2017 is because AMD doesn’t have anything for consoles yet, to achieve native 4K across the board…..this is according to both Microsoft AND Sony. Stop making stuff up and hoping it sticks dude, misinfo is already here in abundance. Buy ur Pro and be happy.

      https://www.videogamer.com/news/xbox-scorpio-has-been-in-development-for-well-over-a-year-is-a-true-native-4k-console

    • jp

      so Sony did not copy Nintendo? hahahaha okay.

    • jp

      not that bad anymore? profits went down 80% but okay, if it makes you feel good, go ahead, for the Players!! riiight? no I dont think so….

    • Sure, over time, what I meant was they are at least profitable and semi-stable now. For countless years they were losing money horribly.

    • Mr Xrat

      Like there wasn’t going to be a PS4.

    • Agent_Blade

      Dont listen to Starman he trolls literally every PS article on this site. If there is a PS article 9 times out 10 he will be in the comment section trolling like he has nothing better to do.

    • jp

      7 exact votes for Sony drones… nothing new today…

    • Agent_Blade

      And no “exact* votes from a salty troll. Nothing new here either. In other news the sky is blue and it’s going to be chilly today.

    • jp

      you are a sad person.

    • Agent_Blade

      Looking at your comment history your one to talk…

    • IamTylerDurden1

      Yet the PS4 is a virtual money printing machine. They were broke before PS4 released, yet PS4 still came out. PlayStation is making money hand over fist, PS5 will likely launch 1yr after Scorpio drops. It’ll be at least 8tfs, sorry…

    • jp
  • Starman

    You’ll keep saying “^t-flops’…. they never said that’s all they have in there … they said we have the 6 t-flops to do proper VR… they never said that’s all they had under the hood….. And if this untalented M. Cerny says 8T-flops are needed to do true 4k and vr …then why in gods name did they waste money on that PS4 pro crap … on top of that you make a VR headset and still didn’t use the correct hardware to make it work…He sounds stupid..

    • Agent_Blade

      Up to your usual PS trolling again? Dont you have anything better to do? Plus im pretty sure Mark Cerny has more years of experience in the tech industry then you do and more intelligent in the technological field then you are.

    • Luke Skywalker

      You’re attacking the guy without addressing the issue he’s talking about….

    • Agent_Blade

      You are just as much of a troll as Starman is. Your comment is automatically invalid.

    • Luke Skywalker

      Troll? What? Thanks for the laugh

    • Agent_Blade

      You basically just admitted it.

    • Luke Skywalker

      I don’t want to call you an idiot, but you’re acting real idiotic right now. I have no clue how what I’ve said is “admitting” anything. in your vain attempt in trying to turn your delusional thoughts into facts you only proved how ridiculous you are. My comments are always open buddy.

    • Agent_Blade

      You are one of the most delusional commenters on this website right along side Starman and a few others

      If you didn’t understand why I said “you basically just admitted it” then well…I guess ignorance is bliss eh.

    • LifeOnMars

      The green eyed monster rears it’s ugly head

    • Agent_Blade

      Exactly.

    • IamTylerDurden1

      Yea, Mark Cerny is stupid, but you’re smart…

      How many record breaking consoles have you designed? Do u speak fluent Japanese? Did help found Naughty Dog?

      Looks like PSVR is a huge success, i love it. Runs great on PS4.

  • Mr Xrat

    Pretty much. Xgimps can cling to their CGI system board rendering all they want but the fact is consistent 4K rendering of quality textures at good framerate on console won’t be happening for years. These mid-gen refreshes are little more than upscalers for 4K TVs and most games won’t be native. Sorry if this breaks your f@t little hearts.

    • Luke Skywalker

      Lol look at this guy talking.

    • Hvd

      dont bother with him his only vocabulary is xgimps…thats all he knows …lmao

  • red2k

    So, he accept that PSPRO can’t do true 4k, thanks.

    • Agent_Blade

      He didnt need to. It should be painfully obvious that it cant with only 4.2 tflops for most games.

    • Mark

      Yup, gamers should accept this and move on

    • IamTylerDurden1

      What does true 4k machine mean? NBA 2K17, TLoU, Fallout 4, Skyrim, PES, Elder Scrolls Online, Smite will all be native 4k on Pro. Uncharted 4 might be as well. It streams movies and content in native 4k as well.

    • Agent_Blade

      True but those games are not very graphically demanding. Plus most games will be upscaled in 4k with some if not most using the checkerboard rendering technique which for me personally is not a problem as I plan to get a Pro to complement my new 4k tv.

      What I meant by a true 4k machine is a machine that can play ANY game in true native 4k resolution.

  • Eliezer Barreto

    every body knows tha even with the nvidia 1080 you cant achieve 4k on AAA games even with some compromisos. So for 399 the Pro will offer some 4k nativos game and even if 80% of the games run at 1800p thats is more than ok for a 399 machine.

    • Luke Skywalker

      But those games aren’t built specifically targeting the gtx 1080 are they?

    • Riggybro

      You can though, compare PS4, Xboxone multiplat benchmarks with PC benchmarks for 7870 and 7790 (apparently equivalent GPUs).

      That will give a ballpark indication of how “optimised” console games can be.

      For example battlefield 4 running at 720p medium settings on a 7790.

      I don’t think the gulf is as huge as people seem to indicate.

    • Paul

      Eurogamer have been showing a few games of late at 4k 60fps running on a single gpu, 1080 or Titian X, forgot which one but it’s impressive that a single card is able to do it now, give it another 2 years and true 4k could be available for mid range PC gamer.

    • Hvd

      titan x pascal is the only card that can run 4k/60fps right now and its $1200.

    • Paul

      It’s not the only card and it really depends on the game, I’m sure Eurogamer was running the latest Battlefield game maxed out using a 1080 and it was only using 60% to 70% of the gpu, quite impressive considering the visuals.

      With careful tweaks to the graphic settings weaker hardware can do 4k 60fps but it just goes to show that within 2 years 4k 60fps with more or less max settings could be mid range prices.

    • Hvd

      its the only SINGLE gpu that can do 4k/60fps.im not talking about sli 1080’s.

    • Paul

      It depends on the game, I’m seeing more and more games with 1080, Titan X and sometimes 1070 do 4k 60fps at Eurogamer the last few months and thats on a single gpu, a few I can name, the new Gears of War, Titanfall 2, the new Battlefield game, there’s a few others but forgot what they are called.

    • Hvd

      the 1070 cant and the 1080 depends on the game.i have seen all the becnhamrks for these cards i know

    • Paul

      They can in most games with careful graphical settings but I’ve been seeing the 1080 and Titian X do 4k 60fps with more or less high to max settings in some games, I think DOOM is another one they showed, oh and the new Forza game, I know those cards can’t do all games but the list is increasing with games it can do which is impressive being that they are single cards and given another 2 years they will likely be mid range card.

    • Hvd

      so a $700 gtx 1080 does 4k/60fps then why get a titanx pascal for $1200?.

      oh btw you arnt telling the whole truth it take the gtx 1080 in sli to do 4k/60fps which is around $1400.the titan x pascal like i said before is the only single gpu that can do 4k/60fps in all games.

      https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/07/14/gtx-1080-4k-performance/

    • Paul

      Mostly because a Titan X offers more performance over a 1080, always a need for more performance.

      I didn’t say it could do all games but we’re seeing signs that more higher end games are doable on a single gpu, something that wasn’t the case just a year ago but I agree with you if you want to cover all bases then you really need two gpus but you could probably get away with two 1070.

      In any case, this is impressive considering I suspect 4k isn’t really going to be well optimised because it’s not the main focus but if Microsoft Scorpio really does do native 4k then thats good news for 4k on the pc, more focus should go on it which mean they should be better optimised, also 4k gpus should be more affordable as well.

    • Hvd

      on my r9 380x i can run diablo 3 4k/60fps…lol face it titan x pascal is the ONLY SINGLE gpu that can do all games 4k/60fps..not older games all games.

    • Paul

      I don’t think you are reading what I’m saying lol, I said the list of games is increasing that can be played on a single card and with careful graphical setting, almost all games can run at native 4k 60fps on the 1080, Titan X and possibly the 1070 and thats for the new games, considering many of the games mentioned above are running at 4k 60fps more or less maxed out is quite impressive and all the while with 4k not being very optimised yet because it’s not the main focus, a lot of which could change in the next two years.

    • Hvd

      you are trying way to hard to prove a wrong point.

    • Paul

      I don’t have to prove anything, Eurogamer have shown it countless times, they’ve even shown an RX480 doing native 4k 30 fps with careful graphics settings, they managed to get north of 30fps in 8 out of 10 games, they’ve also shown many games running 4k 60fps more or less maxed out on single gpu’s, in the end I’ll take their words over yours, that and my brothers PC thats got a 1080 and he’s able to do the same.

    • Hvd

      there is no point with you any more.

    • Paul

      My point exactly, if you can’t accept facts even though Eurogamer have prove you wrong then let’s leave it at that.

    • IamTylerDurden1

      Almost none of the games will run at 1080p on Pro. Do u understand that all major AAAs will run at native 1440p minimum? Most AAAs will run at native 1800p checkerboarded to 4k. We are getting mostly native 1800p on Pro, 4K is 2160p, games will be VERY close to native 4k. Games like Mass Effect Andromeda, Horizon, Killing Floor 2 will run native 1800p. Some AAAs like NBA 2K, TLoU, Skyrim HD, and Fallout 4 will run native 4k on Pro.

  • Gabriel Porto

    With 6TF on a gaming machine with bandwidth on motherboard and RAM and OS and API and all the stuff that makes the console a better performer compared with PCs with the same configuration, then you cant achieve 4K@30. We’ll not see any AAA games with 4K and 60fps, I’d put my money on that.

    • Luke Skywalker

      Sounds like you’re going lose your money bro

    • Gabriel Porto

      Sorry for my typo.

      I wanted to say that 6T with all that is enough to render 4k games at 30fps that lies in the same performance budget at VR with 2160×1200 and 90fps. For 4k@60 I’m with the guy from Sony that says 8T is the ideal, at least on consoles (PCs may need more power).

  • Luke Skywalker

    But wait wasn’t he boasting that the ps4 pro had 8.4tf of horse power under the hood? I mean I’m sure those in the know understand full well that he was totally on some BS

  • Eliezer Barreto

    Here is the list of the official announced games:

    – The Last Of Us Remastered (Native 4K@30FPS with the best shadows)
    – Smite (Native 4K@60FPS)
    – The Elder Scroll Online (Native 4K@30FPS)
    – The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition Edition (Native 4K@30FPS)
    – Mantis Burn Racing (Native 4K@60FPS / Native 4K@30FPS for 4 player split-screen)
    – Wheels of Aurelia (Native 4K@60FPS)
    – Futuridium EP Deluxe (Native 4K@60FPS)
    – forma.8 (Native 4K@60FPS + 8xMSAA )
    – Rez Infinite (Native 4K@60FPS)
    – Hustle Kings (Native 4K)
    – Thumper (Native 4K)
    – NBA 2K17 (Native 4K@60FPS + HDR)
    – Bound (Native 4K@60FPS + MSAA x2 upscaled from MSAAx8 in normal gameplay / in VR mode: rendering to 4K internal screen which is then supersampled to 1080P display in PSVR + new effects like volumetric lights + sharper shadows)
    – Viking Squad (Native 4K@60FPS)
    – Pro Evolution Soccer 2017 (Native 4K@60FPS)
    – Neon Chrome (Native 4K@60FPS)

    List of logical native 4K games, but not official (until devs officially develop the PS4 PRO version of the game: meaning those games may end up in the official list or just stay as regular PS4 games):

    – VizionEck (Native 4K@60FPS)? Not officially announced on PS4 PRO yet because the developer Mike Armbrust doesn’t have a PS4 Pro devkit yet but “but for a while it was running 4K native on standard PS4”
    – Trine games (Native 4K@60FPS)? If devs support PS4 PRO. I am assuming this since Trine 2 could run in 4K@30FPS on regular PS4. “The PS4 PRO update may never come”, but who knows

    and fallout 4

    • Hvd

      since sony and cerny do nothing but lie ill believe it when it happens….lmao.

    • Agent_Blade

      Keep trolling.

    • Hvd

      i wil what are you going to do about it?

      the truth is a troll

    • Agent_Blade

      Yeah whatever you want to believe.

    • Mark

      Eliezer, those games are far, far from graphically demanding. Basically, even the Xbox 1 and PS4 can render games at 4K, if the graphics techniques are outdated. Counting how many games run 4K still doesn’t make the Pro a 4K machine. What would make it a 4K machine is, can it render BF1, Witcher 3, yadda yadda yah, at native 4K? U know, newer triple A games. Big difference brother, nothing personal. 4Tflops just ain’t enough to run those man

    • IamTylerDurden1

      Aren’t NBA 2K17 and PES “newer AAA games”, brother? Expect Fallout 4 as well.

    • Mark

      Ok, then explain how NBA 2K17 and PES run 1080p 60fps on X1 & PS4? Actually, almost all sports games hit those targets on current gen……every year. They hit maximum resolution and frame rate. So when the Pro is hitting them at 4K/60, that means they don’t require much power, ESPECIALLY when u consider the Pro can’t even render its own exclusives and newer triple A’s at native 4K….at 30fps. That’s non-native 4K, at 30 frames. Sports is by far, the exception….brother. And ur dreaming if u think Fallout 4 will run native 4k, sorry, wont happen.

    • maroon1

      Those games run 1080p 60fps on xbox one. Those sports game are not demanding at all

      PS4 pro does not run real AAA game on native 4K

    • maroon1

      Those are last gen or indie games, not AAA games

  • kma99

    Mark you have 8.4 tf of power and special sauce and cant do 4k. Nooooooooooo

    • Luke Skywalker

      lol

  • Terminator

    No problem we got 12 TeraFlops 🙂

    • Hvd

      yep acording to cernys math…lmao

  • Paul

    It really all depends, If we talking about Scorpio doing native 4k at 30fps and simpler visuals to the Xbox One then I think thats doable, maybe with a few extra visuals as well, but if we are talking 4k with max settings like we see on PC then no I doubt it can do it, but a few months ago, Eurogamer did a test with a RX480, they tested about 10 games at native 4k 30fps with visuals like consoles and got north of 30fps in 8 of the 10 if I remember correctly, so if that can do it, I suspect Scorpio should be able to do it as well.

    But real 4k 60fps gaming with high or max settings is only doable on the PC at the moment and even then it wont come cheap.

  • Hvd

    well this is the same guy that said the ps4 pro has 8.4 tflops.he is making a laughing stock out of sony…lmao.


 

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