Spencer On Gears of War Collection, Major Announcements, DirectX 12 On Xbox One And More

Spencer on all things Xbox One.

Posted By | On 21st, Mar. 2015 Under News | Follow This Author @GamingBoltTweet


Phil-Spencer

Xbox One boss Phil Spencer has once again taken to to his Twitter account to reveal and tease some interesting information regarding their strategies and development for games on the Xbox One. When asked whether a Gears of War collection or a remastered version is in the works for the Xbox One, Spencer teased that he ‘will have more to say coming up’ and he ‘can’t talk more about the plans yet.’

This is rather interesting since Rod Fergusson from Black Tusk Studios, the team that is working on the new Gears of War for the Xbox One, outright denied that such a remaster is in development for the Xbox One. He also assured that the Phantom Dust reboot has not been canceled and that they are adding new features in the game. “Game dev isn’t that cut and dry. Things will be used, new stuff will be created, it will be a mix,” he stated on Twitter.

He also teased there might be more than one major announcement for the Xbox One in the future. “I hope we have more than just one but you have strong minds so we’ll have to see how we do”, he teased when asked by a fan on how they plan to blow everyone’s mind off. He also further stated that developing first party games is critical for the Xbox One so a game like Sunet Overdrive is great to have on the console.

He also clarified that Microsoft are not lying about the advantages of DirectX 12 on the Xbox One and it will provide speed improvements over DX11 but ultimately it depends on how developers update their code. If this is the case, then Microsoft should probably share some benchmark results soon for the Xbox One.


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  • Illusive Man

    Rod didn’t outright deny anything about a Gears Of War Collection. The only thing he denied was a collection titled Marcus Fenix Collection.

    • JerkDaNERD7

      Exactly, yet the bias snarky articles continue. If anything he only hinted to Black Tusk NOT having anything to do with a Marcus Fenix Collection. Meaning they’re focused on the new Gears.

    • dead fanboy

      The Blue Rat is a mindless Sony fanboy.

  • Ricoh123

    MS is showing they are pro consumer.

    Sony on the other hand have done a 180 and are now anti-consumer.

    • ImOnaDrugCalledSheen

      Ricoh123 is showing how he’s a shill for Microsoft and happy to spout propaganda on their behalf.

    • Jonathan George Anaya

      Name the 4 AAA exclusives for the PS4 this year… Uncharted 4 and Rise of the Tomb Raider… Oh wait

      Guess its just PS3 ports and Indies for ANOTHER year, eh?

    • renegadesix

      Who gives a crap about exclusives? Name four AAA multiplats that played at higher resolutions and frame rates than the PS4.

    • Josh101

      It’s funny you bring up Uncharted 4 and Tomb Raider in the same post no less. Wow. You are actually touting the timed exclusive that was money-hatted by Microsoft because they don’t have the talent to create their own? How about you name the true exclusives coming out for XboxOne this year? Forza…Again???

    • Ricoh123

      I’m happy to tell the truth.

      If the situation reverses and MS screw the gamers like Sony are now, is the day I reverse my statement.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      LOL Sony shills accusing other shills of being shills.

      Pathetic as usual, loser. PC Gaming is supreme. Go pay for backwards compatability like the loser you are :^)

  • Love Spencer’s approach. Such an honest and humble guy.

    • d0x360

      Its because he’s a gamer unlike don Mattrick who wasn’t and didnt understand gaming at all

    • -_- That tailback even looked the part.

  • kreator

    DX12 is a big game changer. The XB1 is going to move past the PS4 this gen!

    • ImOnaDrugCalledSheen

      DX12 is lie and will do nothing to help xbone but you go ahead and keep hoping.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Meanwhile POS4 can’t even run Bloodborne at a stable 30FPS

      “Next gen” they said.

  • Fay_Z

    just shut up and release it microsoft!

  • Barry Harden

    DX12 is a pipe dream if you XBone fanboys think it’ll give you 1080p@60fps gaming. Maybe on simple games but you’ll still be stuck at 900p for graphics intensive titles.

    • Zonned87

      DX12 uses around 20% less resources than DX11 when running games apparently, but offers little in the way of visual improvements. It should narrow the gap between XB1 and PS4 a little but but its not going to make it a more powerful console. At best it MIGHT allow them to run SOME games in the same resolution. But they will still look worse…

    • Kilthrax

      They already run SOME games at the same resolution and most if not all games look exactly the same. You’d have to post HD screenshots side by side to see any difference whatsoever. Either way, the differences are so minor that they have virtually no impact on the user experience.

    • Zonned87

      Well having 20% more resources is mainly going to impact resolution and frame rate not the visuals themselves.

    • Kilthrax

      Resolution and frame rate are all about visuals, not sure what you’re getting at. And the Xbox One is already running some games at 60 fps, it’s not like that’s exclusive to the PS4 or anything. Even the Wii U can run games at 1080p 60 fps.

      Also, I’m not sure why so many people get so hung up on resolution and frame rate, the impact on gaming is so minor.

      There are other more important things to worry about such as network stability and security, controller battery life, external hard drive support and user interface – those types of things have a genuine impact and the XB1 is doing well in this regard.

    • Zonned87

      I don’t have a horse in the race I own a Wii U and a gaming PC. I was just throwing in what I know about DX12.

    • Kilthrax

      Yeah, I own and use every console – I just don’t see the difference between PS4 and XB1 visuals at all. They’re extremely minor. I think there are bigger things that differentiate the various platforms that people are quick too overlook in favour of frame rate and resolution.

    • Zonned87

      They use higher resolutions as bragging rights but when its like 720p and 900p or 900p and 1080p. On most televisions you won’t be able to tell the difference unless you have like a 4k setup.

    • Kilthrax

      Well, that about covers it all lol. Cheers dude 😉

    • Josh101

      You are talking about differences of over 500,000 pixels in clarity. Yes, you will be able to tell the difference. Unless of course you wear glasses and take them off when doing comparisons.

    • Josh101

      “I just don’t see the difference between PS4 and XB1 visuals at all.”
      You are buying multiple copies of multiplatform games on the PS4 and XboxOne? No? Then of course you aren’t seeing a difference, because you aren’t looking at both.

    • Josh101

      Did you really just say that 60FPS impact on gaming is minor? You must be a casual player if you believe that. Or more likely just damage controlling.

    • Ricoh123

      False.

      Dx12 effects like ray tracing will be enabled on the Xbox one.

      If anything it will be the other way around from what you said.

      The resolution and fps won’t change, most games will probably still be 900p at 30fps, but the new dx12 supported graphical effects will kick in.

    • HisDivineOrder

      The DX11 that Xbox One used previously is not regular DX 11. It’s DX 11.x, which was custom built for Xbox One. DX12 is that custom API part backported to PC.

      That’s why Spencer saying there’s going to be this HUGE improvement for Xbox One from DX12 is disingenuous. What he’s actually referring to is that ports from PC will be easier and better because the two platforms will actually share pretty much the exact same API again (instead of the situation now where Xbox One has a low level API while PC doesn’t).

      But Phil is a guy who has to bend the truth. Last year, he told you the truth and said DX12 would offer little meaningful improvement on Xbox. When fanboys freaked out, he changed his tune, but that’s only because the marketing guys told him to amend his message.

    • Mark

      Pffff. The most vivid picture of what we can expect from all of the features used in DX12 for X1 is “Expect PDZ to Halo 4”, from Phil early last year. He never said it wouldn’t improve performance at all on the One dude, he said “not a massive change” lol. My goodness, u guys luv DX12 more than us Xbox guys! U guys comment on this sh*t more than anyone……..what u consider yourself “cleansing” these discussions? I just don’t get it, it’s like u dudes have some innate obligation to remind us what the X1 cannot do lol. C’mon, u can’t tell me u haven’t written 1,000 paragraphs about DX12. And, u cannot tell me ur not wasting ur time.

      Let people believe what they will, I mean the truth will come to pass eventually no? There’s many times I pass up replying to comments, u should too. Ur being consumed by this intangible “war”. Let it go. All 3 platforms are great for those who bought them, jeez.

    • HisDivineOrder

      Between the two of us, which is wasting his time more? The guy who wrote a comment on the truth of what DirectX is and isn’t. Or the guy who tells the other guy not to bother because the truth will be revealed? Because evidence suggests that won’t happen as any time the Xbox One fails to live up to expectation, yet another argument is made for why SOON it will. Just wait and one day, it will.

      The whole thing gets extremely tiresome to read. If only I could go to a comment section where someone brought up DX12 and Xbox One and it was full of rightfully doubtful people instead of insane comment after comment of, “At last, PS4 fanboys, we shall have our revenge!”

      And I don’t even own a PS4. Ferchrissake, it’s ridiculous. So as long as insecure people with Xbox One’s continue to rant and rave about how the Xbox One will be saved by some mysterious technology innovation (first it was Cloud Processing, which was Microsoft’s version of next gen Blast Processing (from Sega Genesis), now it’s DX12 with nary a mention of Cloud Processing), people should not just sit by and let the self-deception run so rampant that innocent, unsuspecting people are convinced by those arguments without them being challenged.

      Because such arguments are fundamentally doing the whole platform a disservice. Many are basing their future expectations on something that won’t happen and when it doesn’t, instead of acknowledging that it was a flim-flam, lots of people just double down on the ignorance and hyperbole.

      Which as I said is tiresome.

    • Mark

      I gave u Phil’s best descriptive Tweet on what we should expect from DX12 tools, and that Tweet was a year ago…….I guess it somehow got lost in the sauce. His stance changed not, it was clear; don’t expect Avatar like graphics, but there will be improvements made…..”Expect PDZ to Halo 4″. “Games built ground up for DX12 will see the benefits”. “Speed increases will happen, so long as the code utilizes DX12”. Keep going? “We knew what DX12 was doing when we built the Xbox”. “DX12 will allow the Xbox to leverage its strengths more”. Pretty consistent with Aaron Greenberg’s Tweets….”DX12 will have an impact on Xbox One so long as the game’s built on it”…….not much more to state here concerning both of their stance on this.

      As for what technically, full DX12 will bring to the X1;

      https://mobile.twitter.com/draginol/status/573556257237286912

      Also, u keep saying “low level”. Paralellism doesn’t = low level. Low level just means the programmer can control almost all of the hardware resources (cpu, gpu, memory etc) DIRECTLY, without going thru a ton more code, which impacts performance. Paralellism, is about EFFICIENTLY, commanding multiple cpus to interact with the many gpu cores simultaneously, which DX11 doesn’t do well. So there’s many more cpu threads working at once with DX12. This is the purpose of C++AMP, over C++. It’s just about, how Microsoft built the API, that achieves this. So saying “low level” isn’t what DX12 is only about.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/draginol/status/573399921941860353

      Also, if u think that current games on the X1 is using this level of paralell programming, they aren’t. None of these game engines (CryEngine, Frostbite, Unity) use something called an “Asynchronous Scheduler” which is key to this programming, per Brad Wardell. His Nitrous engine (developed alongside Mantle) is probably the only one right now, as all our games r using DX11, DX10 and OpenGL equivalents…….so engines must be built on these new APIs (DX12, GLNext, Mantle etc). DX12 will benefit the X1, in DUE TIME.

      This stuff is all new, so people think if u believe it, ur a tin foil hat wearing extremist. But it’s not Dgpus or HBM stacked memory or “teh cloud”. But oh well, this is why I don’t argue much about this, way too time consuming. We just differ here. Off to Dragon Age.

      http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/article/462192/GDC_2015_Day_1_report

    • Orion Wolf

      Good write up with actual facts and statements from people involved with the x1 and dx12 … and not the usual unfunded claims from people that have a bad case of dx12 phobia.

      I find it funny how people will use one statement from Spencer and go as far as changing the statement, if need be, just to suit their needs.

      Even funnier is how they call him a liar, but you know at least they could be consistent and call him a liar for
      everything he says and not only when it suits them.

      What am I talking about?

      Well about the whole “Phil Spencer said the dx12 won’t do much”- of course I know that’s not what he said – according to the fanboy up there this supposedly isn’t a lie, but “Games built ground up for DX12 will see the benefits”. “Speed increases will happen, so long as the code utilizes DX12″ and anything else that might imply something
      positive about the x1 are “naturally” all lies.

      And another thing I’ve witness countless times on this site is the constant praise of the PS4 API, but dx12 being
      downplayed. Because the only thing this people seem to understand is how “low level” is for some reason the only thing that’s representative of an API. Yeah because the feature set that comes with say dx12, like tier 3 resource binding, which is not available or fully supported in any modern GPUs except the one within the x1 is not going to do anything according to some.

      Although just speculation at this point, but considering the “We knew what DX12 was doing when we built the Xbox” it’s possible that the x1 has FL 12.1 support as well.

    • Mark

      I hear u Wolf. Most of the time, although it’s painful, I ignore these guys. It’s wise to just let em talk stuff, and bash as they may please, because ultimately the games will do the talking, and Xbox gamers aren’t lacking in that dept. I was tryin to tell him to let people believe whatever they want about DX12, stop tryna “cleanse” the discussion board. It’s ok if they’re wrong (assumingly), we’ll find out. But he’s one of those dudes who’ll set aside hours to argue…..for what? To convince us the X1 doesn’t have a gpu with full DX12 support?

      That’s why I left DualShockers, I shoulda known lol. Guiseppe actuallu allows them to troll, and sometimes penalizes Xbox gamers for responding. So I like to deal with these guys selectively, try to get them to see, it ain’t that serious. If people read, as much as they scream, I bet they’d laugh more haha. It’s like they’re scared of any mention of DX12 and Xbox in the same sentence, based on how many comments this topic gets. Will be very interesting to see what 3rd party dev studio uses DX12 on X1, because that may cut out the PS4 version, due to code incompatibilities. My guess is they won’t this year, unless Phil offers a bit of funding to compensate for those Sony sales. Not saying I hope PS4 owners get locked out of games, I hope they don’t, but I do want my games to get full DX12 support.

    • Orion Wolf

      Exactly.

      We might not know to what extent dx12 will affect the x1, but considering all the comments from devs, especially the comment from the metro dev, I would say it will bring improvements and new features to not only PCs (what the ps faboys keep claiming as if their lives depended on it), but the x1 as well.

      People think that a better written code will do nothing and the hardware that’s already inside the x1 is what it is and
      no API will help it.

      But that’s quite ironical and hypocritical considering that they keep bringing up the “low level” argument and the
      advantages of a closed system vs PCs i.e. it’s all about the software.

      In regard to all the fanboys claiming we’re delusional when talking about dx12, well the thing is I remember how enthusiastic some insiders (and fanboys) were when they claimed how Sonys ICE team devs are bringing:

      http://www.redgamingtech.com/playstation-4-to-recieve-massive-performance-boost-rumor/

      Yeah the ps fanboys were all for the “bananas/massive
      performance boost” when it was about the ps4 even though it was a rumor, but even the smallest gains the x1 could get thanks to dx12 (which isn’t a rumor) are all lies, delusions, BS etc.

      In regards to DualShockers, it’s been a while since my last visit there and I’ve noticed the same thing with Giuseppe.

      We all should have known that DS wouldn’t be unbiased, not really, but I tried giving them the benefit of the doubt… well, there’s no doubt anymore.

      Btw read this

      http://oxcgn.com/2015/02/20/heres-why-i-cant-trust-other-sites-reviews-especially-for-the-order-1886/

      I have nothing against the ps4 or the fans, I would like the devs to develop games using each systems strengths … but fanboys are another matter entirely.

    • Mark

      Man people r consumed because this world is run by ideas. The nature of the human brain. Only the strong and wise, can deal with the pain of being wrong, and adjust their views accordingly. So I try to help people see that, the hating going on this gen, is how 1) people r by nature and 2) accellerated by the fact we are now a media centered world. This is how people now believe 1080p is the deciding factor in image quality. Most articles fail to mention that all games this gen has a final render of 1080, but that the question is if it’s native or not, or if the scaler sharpens the image or not.

      These articles read like “Image Quality for dummies”. And yeah I used to like the news that Guiseppe covered, but I got slapped outta my sleep real quick lol. I just enjoy pro Xbox sites now, or GBolt, because only StarMan’s the frequent fanboy here haha, until of course DirectX 12 shows up! Then those Sony fanboys show up with pitchforks and molotovs, BloodBorne style lol.

      But, like ma man NextGen says……Xbox is, the Best Box. Halo, Tomb Raider, Qbreak, Hololens. Nuff said

    • Barry Harden

      Yes this is why even Phil Spencer isn’t hyping DX12 to be the solution to XBone’s problems. Let’s face it, Micro$oft cheaped out on the XBone design because they figured fans will buy their console regardless of what Sony can put out. Yes Micro$oft was thinking about their own pockets when it came to designing their XBone console.

    • d0x360

      Omg dude who cares. You enjoy your 1080p 30fps games on that ps4. I’ll.be playing witcher 3 at 4k 60 frames per second on a 70inch tv while your are derping around. Then I’ll turn my xbox on and snap ps4 so I can play all 3 at the same time.

    • Barry Harden

      PS4 will always manage to do whatever the XBone can do but better. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you’ll face reality.

    • d0x360

      You mean like snapping or all the media functions the xbox has that PS4 doesn’t or the good online service or…here’s one…exclusive games that are actually good

    • Barry Harden

      PS4 had the game capture clip mode that worked far better than the XBone. PS4 had remote play long before the XBone. PSN actually had less crashes than XBL. As for exclusive games well you know the sales tell the whole story. Sunset Overdrive was a disappointment. TitanFall was so bad even EA had to make TitanFall 2 available on PS4.

    • Josh101

      You mean the same mode my Sony Bravia T.V. has had for years? The same mode that’s called “Picture AND Picture?” Not to be confused with Picture IN Picture. Oh, you are boasting about Microsofts money-hatted timed exclusive line-up? Nah I’m not impressed.

    • d0x360

      Except it isn’t picture in a picture and the fact that you compare it to such just shows you have NEVER used an xbox one

    • Josh101

      Yes I have used a XboxOne. I said PICTURE AND PICTURE. Which is the same as the “SNAP” feature. Which is PICTURE AND PICTURE that Microsoft copied and called “SNAP.” Learn to read. PICTURE IN PICTURE is completely different. Which my Sony Bravia has as well. 🙂

    • d0x360

      Sorry kiddo snap isn’t simple picture in picture. You haven’t used an x1 or you would know that

    • Josh101

      Picture AND picture is different than Picture IN picture…. Say it with me now. “Picture AND picture.” Sony’s PICTURE AND PICTURE is the “SNAP” feature and they have had it longer than Microsofts XboxOne. I’ve been using it since a year BEFORE the XboxOne came to market.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      You mean silky smooth 30FPS and downgrades?

      Ayyyyy lmao

    • Agent_Blade

      Nobody cares about your $3,000 dollar PC. Why don’t you go get a college education in trolling instead of owning a computer almost worth a used car, or a mortgage.

    • d0x360

      ROFL my college education is what allows me to have my job at a robotics company which pays me well which is why I own every console, every game and a gaming pc that earns its name unlike those sad I built a gaming pc for $700 morons.

      Dont be jealous agent welfare. Go get a friggen job.

    • Mark

      Dam, robotics hunh? That’s some stuff dude. Seriously, how long do we have till DARPA presents its first T1000? I mean with how heavy Obama’s been using unmanned Drones in the middle east, I cannot help but to feel like we’re only going to see more of these…….”things”.

      When u get some time, check out Chappie. Deep philosophical stuff.

    • d0x360

      lol I have no idea. I work for a company that actually tries to benefit humanity. No robot weapons here. More like inventing artificial limbs or devices to aid in mobility for people who can’t walk.

    • Mark

      Ok, let me say this. Personally, from me, I admire what ur doing. Ur taking your knowledge, and helping people survive with it. I have a few men I always remember and lift up; Malcom X, Christ, and Nikola Tesla. They all used their knowledge to help the common man, in one way or the other. What else r we here for……..to float? Well even if we do float, our brains allow us to focus on achievement and goals, and what’s more constructive than respecting each other and helping one another build over time?

      Ahh, anyway, although I don’t know the people ur company helps, I personally thank u and honor your career choice, to help them. I envy that and will do this in my future.

    • d0x360

      Those are very kind words and I appreciate the sentiment but I’m just a cog in the machine. Many many people work for the company.

      I’d tell you the company I work for but I keep everything I do online separate from “real life”. At least as much as possible. What I can say is we do some really cool stuff, its a company you have probably recently read about even if you didnt realize it. Seen any good mind controlled robotic arms and hands lately?

    • Mark

      Nah, that’s on the EDGE stuff. I should look it up tho. Probably mind blowing.

    • MaxKill

      Are All the Games on Ps4 1080p/60 Fps?

    • Barry Harden

      There’s certainly more games hitting 1080p/60 Fps on PS4 than on XBone.

      Read’em and weep kid.

      http://ca.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Native_Resolutions_and_Framerates

    • MaxKill

      ok,but that wasn’t my quetions,i will repet for you,Are All the Games on Ps4 1080p/60 Fps?

    • Barry Harden

      No but you’ll have to ask developers why that is.

    • Mark

      Ok, I’ll ask them if the PS4 cpu is up for the task…..glad u pointed that out.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      “S-S-SILKY SMOOTH 30FPS”

      LOL pathetic as usual

      If you want 1080P 60FPS. Join the PC Master Race :^)

    • Barry Harden

      Yes silky smooth 60fps. Something the XBone’s weaker hardware has a problem achieving.
      ]
      Oh and spending over $1000 on a PC with all the problems that come with it? No, only XBone idiots might contemplate that decision.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Something the POS4’s hardware can’t achieve either, loser

      Hence why PC gaming is superior. It’s just better and all you Sony drones can parrot is the $1000 dollars maymay when PC’s as low as $400 can destroy the POS4 :^)

    • Josh101

      You are calling us Sony drones, while you go out and purchase upgrades that cost more than the PS4 console itself at extortion prices? You REALLLLY think you are something special because you can buy a part, read it’s instructions and open a computer case? I did that in 6th grade lmao. You are nothing special. WOW

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      I wouldn’t expect a special needs student like you to understand the superiority of the PC Gaming platform to the POS4 :^)

    • Josh101

      How so? You mean I understand that you have no rights purchasing Steam keys or unlocks from GOG? That you don’t own ANY of the games you purchase on PC? Nah, I’ll keep buying my games physically and actually OWN them. Borrowing games and shareplaying them for free. Buying used and trading as I see fit. What happens when the servers that contain the game code to your digital library goes down? You lose access to download your games. I, however, actually OWN all the games I purchase.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      You have no rights even with discs, loser. Read the EULA for once while you “Shareplay” at 720P if a company hasn’t blocked you. Meanwhile my friends can use Steam Library sharing with no restrictions free of charge.

      I own the games I purchase. You are Sony’s B*tch :^)

    • Josh101

      No you don’t own any of the games you buy on PC. You get a liscence to download from a server. Once that server is shut down containing the game code, you will no longer have access to download those games. While I have a physical copy that will never stop working. :^) The EULA hasn’t stopped me from borrowing or reselling my games ONCE. I own my games and can use them as I see fit. You can’t. I also have friends that use my PSN library with no restrictions free of charge. Have been doing so for over 25 years. The PS3 and the PS4 allows multiple accounts per system. I can play their games and they can play mine.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      I own my PC games. Sony can strip the online play and any feature they want at any time, loser :^)

    • Jonathan George Anaya

      Wasn’t the Odor:1886cents 800p @30fos???

      Even the PS4 has a hard time hitting 1080p!

    • Fay_Z

      LO the odor 1886 cents

    • Orion Wolf

      The big difference is that Ryse was done on initial SDKs and released at launch of the x1.

      The SDKs used were the ones everyone was yapping how bad they were and from the SDK (XDK) leak we know that some features were still unusable by the end of 2014.

      And as if that wasn’t enough, this was said by a metro redux dev:

      “In general – I don’t really get why they choose DX11 as a starting point for the console. It’s a console! Why care about some legacy stuff at all? On PS4, most GPU commands are just a few DWORDs written into the command buffer, let’s say just a few CPU clock cycles. On Xbox One it easily could be one million times slower because of all the bookkeeping the API does.”

      And Ryse, imo, still looks better or at the very least as good as the Order. Of course the NPC count is another thing entirely, considering there are very few NPCs through the Order, unlike with
      Ryse.

      The Order was in development for 5 years, yet they still needed to delay the game, and as if that wasn’t enough it was downgraded from the initial showing. And to all who are saying that the game
      has the same pixel density of 1080p, you think the GPU is being strained by displaying two black bars?

      And considering the comment from the metro redux dev, why is it that a console that had such a good API (where the devs who made it are bragging about how good it is and how it can do anything the dx12 can do) from the get go, it had good SDKs from the get go and it’s, according to the spec sheet, so much more powerful than the x1 and 50% faster/easier to make games on etc… well why isnt there a single triple an exclusive at 1080p 60fps on such a powerful console?

      Resolution is the main reason why people get a ps4. So why isn’t the order 1080p30fps 4xMSAA?

      And this

      http://www.develop-online.net/news/capcom-faces-development-troubles-with-deep-down/0204641

      “Every solution we came up with seemed to create more problems than it solved, so it has really been one step forward, two steps back the whole way. On top of all that, we had to tune up the servers for the online management aspects. We had a really hard time trying to develop a game that combined all the elements.”

      And that was the most impressive title at the unveiling of the ps4. So I have to wonder about the claim that It was running on a ps4 at the time.

    • GotNews4Ya

      No.. The Order wasn’t 800p.. It was a modified version of the screen that still equaled 1080p in the area it was being shown at. The rest of the “Resolution differential” is where the “Letterbox” movie style screen is in place. You cannot have 1080p where there is nothing but black lines.. therefore it was a modified number, but still had 1080p resolution overall. If you weren’t just blindly hating on games and companies.. you would have been able to properly understand the article that explained this all the way back when it first was stated that it wasn’t “1080p”. They clarified exactly why.. but Trolls still run with it.. because they are trolls.. Just like Xbox One will only get a boost in exclusives, because Multiplats cannot code for Dx12 when it isn’t available on PS4.. It has already been discussed.. So Multiplats still won’t see a performance increase.. and that is where the Xbox One really needs the help. XB1’s exclusives are solid already, in my opinion.

    • d0x360

      Calling something 1080p then not rendering 1/3 of the screen isn’t 1080p. 33% of the screen is black bars because they couldn’t hit 1080p not because of a cinematic look.

      Suck up those Sony lies. They taste good it since you dont get any games you dan enjoy smooth refreshing hype built on nothing but fanboy ignorance

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      The Odor was 800P, loser. Confirmed by Digital Foundry. There was nothing in the black bars. Not even pixel fill.

    • Ricoh123

      The Xbox one is still the only next gen console to have a next gen triple a game run at 1080p and 60fps.

      The ps4 hasn’t done this once yet.

      You might want to check your facts.

    • “Ween” Dean Andrews

      The Wii-U has many 1080p 60fps games, far more than either of the other current gen consoles.

    • HisDivineOrder

      And if PS4 or Xbox One focused on making games with equivalent effects to last gen, they would also have buttery smooth 60fps and 1080p easy. Unfortunately, they keep trying to advance the progress of games because they mistakenly believe these supposedly next gen consoles are truly next gen in design.

      Alas, no, they are not. For true next gen gaming, you have to go to PC. This generation of consoles was a disappointment in terms of performance improvement, even right out the gate, especially given the eight years we waited for them.

    • GotNews4Ya

      Do what? Knack wants to speak with you. Oh.. and countless indies as well.. Oh.. and The Last of Us: Remastered.. Oh.. not to mention that’s the only game that hits 1080p pretty much on the XB1.. everything has lower resolution than the PS4 in almost every scenario. Even newer games that have had a lot more development time are still coming out with inferior resolutions.. Battlefield: Hardline is 720p.. You had that with the 360.. Are you proud of this?
      And before you say “it’s just developers being lazy” for your excuse.. If you plan on using it.. Just let it be known that you’re being a hypocrite.. because you are claiming no game on the PS4 hits 1080p / 60fps and I could use the same line as you are using. “Developers are just being lazy. They could do it if they put more time into coding for the system”

    • Ricoh123

      Can you say “triple a”.

      No, you can’t.

    • HisDivineOrder

      Pretty sure AAA refers to how much money went into its development, not the reviews of said game. Knack had a budget.

    • Ricoh123

      That fine line definition between ‘triple a budget’ and ‘waste of lots of money’ is elusive to some.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      30FPS. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      Sony losers are PATHETIC

      PC remains the master race :^)

    • Josh101

      Um, you might want to check YOUR facts. Killzone Shadowfall was a launch title and ran at native 1080P 60FPS on single-player. That’s just ONE example. Are all the idiots hiding on this one site?

    • It’s a bit like crying wolf.

      I don’t trust anything about that game’s resolution information.

    • Josh101

      You don’t have to trust anything. Digital foundry proves these things for you. :^) Check with them, or if you have the tools, which I do, check for yourself. 🙂

    • Ñosss!!!

      Enjoy your Indystation 4 and lets Gamers play AAA games on X1.

    • Barry Harden

      All the AAA developers want to release on PS4. XBone, not so much.
      Enjoy your limited amount of 720p titles on XBone!

  • misterxmedia.lj.com

    Sooon…

    • Mr Xrat

      You and Andy Pelton get exposed? Good. Almost time, right?

    • Mark

      Dam, u never fail to tally up 30+ votes hunh……good for u.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Upvoting yourself against MisterTardMedia. You are hitting new lows GarbageLover since you believe every MisterTiduxMedia post and his hidden SKU updates. What a loser you are. Damage controlling Stutterborne at cuckchan too. Hilarious.

      Ayyyyyy lmao

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      nope!

  • usherjerksoffsonyfanboys

    Fanboys take the own interpretations, and put false words into MS mouth sometimes.

    Black Tusk is working on Gears of War 4, there is most likely a gears of war collection being made, probably not by black tusk though.

    Directx12, is of course going to help in certain ways, its idiotic to think that it won’t. But its not going to magically make games 100% better. But it will help in certain aspects, probably not so much visually, more likely in terms of physics calculations and AI, which in my opinion is more important for a gaming experience.

    MS is fighting an uphill battle, there initial bad press will haunt them, and I pretty sure they’ll never catch the PS4 in overall sales. But honestly I don’t think that what makes a great console is # of sales, or Justin Bieber would awesome. No, the Xbox One still has chance to be the better console in terms of exclusives, features and overall experience, in my opinion there doing really well at the moment.

  • The article title is such a clickbait.

  • Orionsangel

    Rod Fergusson denied the Marcus Fenix collection, but not the Gears of War collection.

  • extermin8or2

    Sunset Overdrive isn’t first party…. They don’t own the IP nor the studio. It’s a second party game made by an independent developer?

    • bardock5151

      That was funded by Microsoft and added to the list of games available on the platform.

  • ImOnaDrugCalledSheen

    DX12 will benefit PC but that’s where it ends, it will do nothing to help xbone and will only end up being yet another disappointment for xbone fanboys.

    • Jonathan George Anaya

      Did you NOT read the Tweet from Phil???

      It WILL improve the X1 speed

    • HisDivineOrder

      Because guys in charge of Xbox never lie, right? 😉

    • d0x360

      They can’t lie its illegal. Its called misleading stock holders and investors and can lead to billions in fines and even jail time

    • HisDivineOrder

      And yet they do it all the time and call it anything except what it is just to avoid the very consequences you hang your hat on.

    • d0x360

      Really? What have they lied about? Tell me one thing that was a LIE.
      The changing policy on game sharing and not needing discs is not a lie. Btw, they changed it based on feedback from idiots who dont know what they gave up.

      So please enlighten me

    • Josh101

      What they gave up? Seriously??? We kept our right to the First Sale Doctrine. You know what that is right?

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      He says, just as the PS4 gets an update integrating it with Facebook and giving the NSA full access.

      What a pathetic loser you are.

    • Josh101

      OH MY GOD!!!!!! They are going to track my GAMING HABITS!!!! That is the most horrible thing I’ve ever heard!!!/s That is a farcry from having Microsoft spy on it’s users with the Kinect and giving away personal video information of it’s newly acquired Skype customers. As revealed in the PRISM scandal. As well as targeting ads on a pay-for service. Also while Microsoft uses it’s Kinect to gather personal video information of it’s customers for said “targeted ads.” :^) I created a separate free Facebook account for my gaming needs. It took 1 and 1/2 minutes to do so.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Oh so you are OK with the NSA tracking all your habits including what you say over the Mic on PSN. What a good little Sony shill you are.

      No wait you are a loser who gives up personal freedoms because Sony does it :^)

    • Josh101

      Oh how you lie. I checked your other post where you thought you had “proof” that the NSA was tracking Sony customers. When in fact, that was a lie. It was a email sent from Google to Sony about their effort to curb piracy. Nice try though. You are the idiot who knowingly purchased a XboxOne from a company who has been revealed to be in cohorts with the NSA and GIVING AWAY VIDEO information of Skype users and Kinect users. You have the nerve to call me a shill? You are pathetic lmao.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Ah yes. scream “BUH BUH BUH YOU OWN AN XBONE” whenever given evidence the NSA is working with Sony. Implying I’d ever own a tardbox done. You really are a massive loser and shill for Sony and the NSA claiming there’s nothing wrong. And even when I prove Sony has been involved with the NSA, you cover your ears. Stupid moron. Give away your data for Sony to sell to Facebook and the NSA. It’s only a matter of time before you are screaming “MCDONALDS” at the TV

      http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/24/sony-patent-wants-to-make-advertising-more-interactive/

    • renegadesix

      This would be from the same company who told us you can’t just flip a switch and make the Kinect not necessary — and then they flipped a switch…Only an Xbonehead cites anyone at Microshaft as being truthful and/or authoritative.

    • They didn’t “flip a switch” you ignoramus. They spent months before the launch frantically working to make the Xbox One work without Kinect. Go spread your FUD elsewhere.

    • renegadesix

      LOL. Uh no, it was mandatory one day, not mandatory the next. So much for your asinine argument.

      BTW, you forgot to change yourself back to “Guest”.

    • LOLZ LEL LMAO OMG
      What are you, nine?
      It was not “mandatory one day, not mandatory the next”, nitwit. Stop spreading lies. They announced it was mandatory back at E3 and then, a few weeks later announced it wouldn’t be mandatory any more. Then they spent the next 5 months frantically making it so that that became true.
      Change myself back to Guest? I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    • Josh101

      Doesn’t change the fact that they said it was “Impossible, it will NOT work without a camera.” All while trying to force a camera with every XboxOne that was to be ALWAYS connected to the internet so they could feed the video information. Just like it was revealed in the PRISM scandal. It says right in the T.O.S. that they will collect video using Kinect for “Targeted ad’s” which they said they WOULDN’T. They will now use that as an excuse when they are found out doing the same.

    • They were telling the truth. In it’s current state, the Xbox One would not work without the Kinect. They had to spend a half a year tearing down the OS and rebuilding it just to make that no longer true.
      Oh god, we have a moronic conspiracy theorist here. For $@*# sake. Put a piece of tape over the lens. Boom. Problem solved. Time for you to throw your cell phone in the toilet and smash your laptop too, lest you be a hypocrite. And hey, how did you transmit that idiotic message without using the Internet?

    • Josh101

      “They were telling the truth. In it’s current state, the Xbox One would not work without the Kinect. They had to spend a half a year tearing down the OS and rebuilding it just to make that no longer true.”
      How do you know this? Cause’ they told you this? Yeah, you’re gullible. They also said they would NEVER use Kinect to spy on it’s users for targeted ad’s. It says RIGHT IN THE T.O.S. that’s exactly what they will plan to do. You have to accept that or your console is a brick.

      “Time for you to throw your cell phone in the toilet and smash your laptop too, lest you be a hypocrite.”

      Nope, my phone is from Wal-Mart. No name attached to it and no camera. Even if it DID have a camera it’s in my pocket 90% of the day, not staring at my living quarters. No webcam on my computer either. Heard of “Ratters?” Yeah, no, won’t be having any of that.

    • “How do you know this?”

      Circumstantial evidence. Anyone with a brain can see how poorly the Xbox One OS functioned without the Kinect at launch, meaning that they still had a ton of work to do to remove all of the Kinect requirements.

      “They also said they would NEVER use Kinect to spy”

      And they never did.

      “You have to accept that or your console is a brick.”

      Either that or it’s the most feature-rich console on the market by a long shot. Yep, it’s the latter. It destroys every other console in what it do. That is the exact opposite of a “brick”, nitwit.

      “Nope, my phone is from Wal-Mart. No name attached to it and no camera”
      It doesn’t matter if it has a camera, Einstein. You can still be tracked using it. It’s a networked device. Same with your computer. It’s still a networked device and your activity is trackable. You’re pretty naive for a conspiracy theorist.

    • Josh101

      “Circumstantial evidence. Anyone with a brain can see how poorly the Xbox One OS functioned without the Kinect at launch, meaning that they still had a ton of work to do to remove all of the Kinect requirements.”

      The XboxOne functioned just fine without the Kinect. They have EVERYTHING attached to using the controller anyway. That doesn’t make any sense. More tedious? Yes, considering the Windows 8 tiles are the dumbest thing Microsoft could try forcing on every device they have. That’s their own fault. No one wants those tiles.

      “They also said they would NEVER use Kinect to spy”
      “And they never did.”

      Um, it says in the T.O.S. that’s EXACTLY what they are going to do with the XboxOne’s Kinect for “targeted ad’s.” You just chose to skip that part of my post. How convenient for you. Sadly for you, it made my point stronger. :^)

      “You have to accept that or your console is a brick.”
      “Either that or it’s the most feature-rich console on the market by a long shot. Yep, it’s the latter. It destroys every other console in what it do. That is the exact opposite of a “brick”, nitwit.”

      Um, no, that’s not how it works. If you don’t accept the T.O.S. that specifically state they will use Kinect to collect video information and spy on it’s users, your console is a brick and will not work. What’s this “most feature rich” bullshit you are spewing? Shareplay and remote-play completely destroy any feature the XboxOne has. Also the PS3 is the most feature-rich console on the market today. Ahead of the PS4 and XboxOne. So you are wrong again. 🙂

      “It doesn’t matter if it has a camera, Einstein. You can still be tracked using it. It’s a networked device. Same with your computer. It’s still a networked device and your activity is trackable. You’re pretty naive for a conspiracy theorist.”
      Your point? There’s no name attached to my phone and I pay with cash. No contract either Einstein. They are tracking a no-name entity. Might as well be tracking a ghost. 🙂 You’re pretty much a idiot.

    • “The XboxOne functioned just fine without the Kinect. They have EVERYTHING attached to using the controller anyway”

      No, it didn’t, and no, they didn’t. You have no clue what you’re talking about. Most basic things that you could do at launch with Kinect (“Xbox, record that”) did not come to the controller until many months later. That’s one of many examples. You’re either badly misinformed or you’re a liar.

      “that’s EXACTLY what they are going to do”

      Present tense = speculation. Again, my point stands: “And they never did”. And they never did.

      “that’s not how it works. If you don’t accept the T.O.S. that specifically state they will use Kinect to collect video information and spy on it’s users, your console is a brick and will not work”
      That’s not true at all because Kinect is not required to use Xbox One. Try again.

      “this “most feature rich” bullshit you are spewing?”
      SmartGlass, suspend play, IR blaster, HDMI-in, snap mode, external hard drives, DLNA, media streaming from PCs, more apps, voice commands, gesture commands, and I could go on and on but it is pointless because you’re ignorant. Share play? You mean the feature promised at launch that came 1.5 years later and that most major publishers are blocking? Sounds awesome.

      “They are tracking a no-name entity. Might as well be tracking a ghost.”
      You’re so naive that it’s kind of adorable. Right, you keep thinking you’re a ghost. No agency has ever been able to track down anyone that has owned a paid-for-in-cash cell phone before…
      Same goes for the Internet, and your Disqus account. Things can quite easily be pieced together via Big Data. You, the ultimate conspiracy theorist, should know better.

    • Josh101

      “No, it didn’t, and no, they didn’t. You have no clue what you’re talking about. Most basic things that you could do at launch with Kinect (“Xbox, record that”) did not come to the controller until many months later. That’s one of many examples. You’re either badly misinformed or you’re a liar.”

      I know exactly what I am talking about. You could use the console absolutely fine without the Kinect. You can launch games, play movies and anything you need to do with the controller. It’s not my fault it took Microsoft MONTHS to add a simple button code to record videos or take pictures. That would be their own incompetence.

      “Present tense = speculation. Again, my point stands: “And they never did”. And they never did.”

      Um, yes, they are using it as we speak. To “target ad’s” on their pay-for service.

      “That’s not true at all because Kinect is not required to use Xbox One. Try again.”

      You can’t refute facts. It still says in the T.O.S. that they will use Kinect to gather video information for “targeted ad’s.” Regardless if you have the Kinect-less version or not. It is still a stipulation in the T.O.S. in case you purchase a Kinect at a later date.

      “SmartGlass, suspend play, IR blaster, HDMI-in, snap mode, external hard drives, DLNA, media streaming from PCs, more apps, voice commands, gesture commands, and I could go on and on but it is pointless because you’re ignorant. Share play? You mean the feature promised at launch that came 1.5 years later and that most major publishers are blocking? Sounds awesome.”

      Suspend play is coming tomorrow for the PS4. My Sony Bravia has Snap mode, it’s called “Picture AND Picture.” Not to be confused with Picture IN picture. Not innovative at all. My PS4 is a IR blaster. Which turns on all of my electronics as well. HDMI in is meaningless, I don’t have cable, only Netflix and Hulu. Has external hard drive support. Meaningful apps that aren’t simply HBO go. It has voice commands as well. The ONLY things the PS4 doesn’t have in features if DLNA support, streaming from PC’s. Which are all software related. The PS4 will be able to do the EXACT same things and better due to the better hardware. Especially DLNA since Sony, partnered with other tech giants created DLNA. :^) Most major publishers are blocking? The only major publisher to block it was Activision with Call of Duty. Which Activision said they didn’t have access to it in time to implement it.

      “No agency has ever been able to track down anyone that has owned a paid-for-in-cash cell phone before…”
      They can track my phone ALL they want to. What difference is it going to make? There’s NO name attached to a pay-as-you-go phone. Someone not engaging in illegal activity is non-issue. What are they going to do with that information? There’s no contract, no name, paid in cash.

    • disproving your own arguments in the very paragraphs that you’re making them. Crikey. Case in point: “It’s not my fault it took Microsoft MONTHS to add a simple button code to record videos”, immediately written after claiming “You could use the console absolutely fine [at launch] without the Kinect.” Logic 101, buddy.

      “they are using it as we speak. To “target ad’s” on their pay-for service”

      You have not provided any evidence of this. Provide evidence.

      “You can’t refute facts. It still says in the T.O.S. that they will use Kinect to gather video information for ‘targeted ad’s.'”

      Provide a source for this claim. Regardless, just because it says something in a Terms of Service agreement does not mean that that statement has ever become reality. Again, Logic 101. Sign up for it.

      “Smartglass? I have something better, it’s called Remote-play and second screen. Suspend play is coming tomorrow for the PS4.”

      Remote-Play does not provide the same functionality as SmartGlass. Not even close. Oh, Suspend play is coming to PS4? Guess what, Remote Play is coming to Xbox One too.

      “My Sony Bravia has Snap mode, it’s called “Picture AND Picture.” Not to be confused with Picture IN picture. Not innovative at all”

      Your Sony Bravia is not a Playstation 4. And the reason you don’t think it’s features are innovative at all is because they aren’t: they do not provide the same functionality as Xbox One’s snap mode. Not even close.

      “My PS4 is a IR blaster. Which turns on all of my electronics as well. ”
      This is a lie. Your PS4 cannot turn on, with a simple voice command, itself, the TV, and your set-top box.

      “HDMI-in is meaningless, I don’t have cable, only Netflix and Hulu.”
      Just because you don’t use a feature (because you can’t) doesn’t make it meaningless. Not having to switch HDMI inputs = superior. You’ll learn someday.

      “The ONLY things the PS4 doesn’t have in features if DLNA support, streaming from PC’s.”
      Wrong. PS4 cannot even play CDs. There are a smorgasbord of other things it cannot do either, some of which are hardware related that we’ve talked about: HDMI-in, IR blasting, Skyping in 1080p HD with auto-digital zoom.

      “They can track my phone ALL they want to. What difference is it going to make? There’s NO name attached to a pay-as-you-go phone.”

      Trails are left everywhere and it’s very easy using big data to piece together data to identify people. You’re not safe.

    • Josh101

      “disproving your own arguments in the very paragraphs that you’re making them. Crikey. Case in point: “It’s not my fault it took Microsoft MONTHS to add a simple button code to record videos”, immediately written after claiming “You could use the console absolutely fine [at launch] without the Kinect.” Logic 101, buddy.”

      Are you seriously this obtuse? I could select a game and launch it with controller from the start. I could select movies with the controller from the start. I could do this at E3 before they reversed the policies. Recording videos is NOT the priority. I have a capture card for just this, I don’t need the XboxOne to do it for me. So yes, I could use the console absolutely perfectly without the Kinect. Logic 101, buddy, use it…

      “You have not provided any evidence of this. Provide evidence.”

      Circumstantial evidence. Anyone with a brain can look at their XboxOne’s menu screen and see ad’s. :^) Have you looked at your XboxOne page with ad’s on it? No? That’s ok, I have and there are targeted ad’s. Logic 101, pal, use it…….You were owned with your very own statement, how juicy 😀

      “Provide a source for this claim. Regardless, just because it says something in a Terms of Service agreement does not mean that that statement has ever become reality. Again, Logic 101. Sign up for it.”

      http:// www . Microsoft . com /privacystatement/en-us/xbox/default.aspx

      http:// www. Microsoft . com/privacystatement/en-us/MicrosoftOnlineAdvertising/Default.aspx

      That completely explains why Microsoft tells you you can opt out of the targeted ads huh? Yup, most people scroll down to the bottom of their T.O.S. and click accept. Again, anyone with a brain can see they have targeted ads plastered all over their XboxOne dashboards. Again, Logic 101. Sign up for it….

      “Remote-Play does not provide the same functionality as SmartGlass. Not even close. Oh, Suspend play is coming to PS4? Guess what, Remote Play is coming to Xbox One too.”

      You are right. The PS Vita remote-play provides better functionality being able to be used across the country. Not just on the same wifi setup like Smartglass. I can remote-play my games from England while my PS4 is in Illinois. In fact, I have done just this. :^) It also has all the functionality of a regular controller due to the button interface. So it is better than Smartglass, by FARR. 😀 Logic 101, use it. :^)

      “Your Sony Bravia is not a Playstation 4. And the reason you don’t think it’s features are innovative at all is because they aren’t: they do not provide the same functionality as Xbox One’s snap mode. Not even close.”

      How do you know? Have you used Picture AND Picture? It’s the exact same function as Snap. Only Microsoft copied it. That’s why it’s not innovative. I’ve been using that feature for years. Microsoft is just copying and catching up. 🙂 Need I remind you that Picture AND Picture is completely different than Picture IN Picture. 😛 Logic 101, use it. :^)

      “This is a lie. Your PS4 cannot turn on, with a simple voice command, itself, the TV, and your set-top box.”

      With one simple button press the PS4 turns on my t.v. and my entire surround system. I don’t have a set-top box, there’s no need for it. Logic 101, please start to use it.

      “Just because you don’t use a feature (because you can’t) doesn’t make it meaningless. Not having to switch HDMI inputs = superior. You’ll learn someday.”

      Yes it does make it meaningless, to me. That’s all that matters. People are moving away from traditional cable and moving toward internet t.v. Not having to switch HDMI inputs involves one button press. It’s not that hard and not irritating at all. Sorry but no, in the same fashion that Microsoft was considering NO discs, it’s dumb. Even if I wanted voice control on t.v. I’d order Comcast and get their X1 for that simple functionality, but seeing I don’t watch ad-ridden cable, it means absolutely nothing to me. 🙂 Logic 101, use it..

      “Wrong. PS4 cannot even play CDs. There are a smorgasbord of other things it cannot do either, some of which are hardware related that we’ve talked about: HDMI-in, IR blasting, Skyping in 1080p HD with auto-digital zoom.”

      I have a 256gb thumb drive with hundreds of hours worth of music that I listen to. Problem solved. One is hardware related and that’s the HDMI-in, which is meaningless to me and many other people. My PS4 does IR blasting, as I said above. Everything else is software related, which the PS4 could run better due to stronger hardware. :^) Logic 101 buddy ol’ pal, use it.

      “Trails are left everywhere and it’s very easy using big data to piece together data to identify people. You’re not safe.”
      Your point is? I am not engaging in illegal activities. There’s no camera pointed at my living space. My phone isn’t targeting ad’s at me. Logic 101, use it…

    • As expected, you were wrong on all accounts and completely missed my points.

      Regarding lack of features:
      Are you seriously this obtuse? The argument is simple: some features that were possible to do Day One on Xbox One with a Kinect were not possible Day One with the controller. This is not debatable. This is a fact. What you personally do or don’t do on your console is completely irrelevant.

      Regarding targeted ads via Kinect:
      Just because there are targeted ads on Xbox One does not mean the data from which the ads were targeted come from video captured via Kinect–something that isn’t even required–as you claimed.

      Regarding the terms of service:
      1. No where in there does it say that the Kinect will be used to record video and use that video data for targeted ads, but, more importantly, 2. this was there, completely nullifying your point: “You may opt out of receiving targeted ads from Microsoft Advertising by visiting our opt-out page.”

      Regarding remote-play and Smartglass:
      1. PS Vita remote play is limited in functionality because (a) you must have a crappy Vita, (b) not all games are supported, and (c) it has massive latency issues.
      2. SmartGlass does not require being connected on a home network. I connect all the time while not at home and use Smartglass to purchase new content, which is automatically downloaded to my Xbox One by the time I get home.

      Regarding Sony Bravia:
      1. Again, using another device (Bravia) to compensate for the lack of features of your other device (PS4) is not an acceptable argument; in fact, it undermines your argument.
      2. No, they’re not the same feature; not even close. Learn what Snap mode is on Xbox One. Can you play in main mode while watching live television in the snapped window and then can you flip-flop the two? Nope.

      Regarding IR Blasters:
      The PS4 does not have an IR blaster. It cannot turn itself on, turn the TV on, and turn a set-top box on via a simple voice command like Xbox One. This isn’t debatable. This is a fact.

      Regarding what is and is not meaningless:
      Nobody cares what is meaningless specifically to you. Claiming that the PS4’s lack of features is okay because you personally don’t use them is not a valid argument. The argument is that, regardless of that, the PS4 lacks those features.

      Regarding feature substitution:
      Again, you coming up with workarounds for the PS4’s shortcomings only strengthens my argument and undermines yours.

      Regarding your lack of illegal activities:
      This is a fallacy and undermines your previous declaration of a Kinect-fueled conspiracy theory. If you’re not doing anything illegal, then what does it matter?

      And that, my naive interlocutor, is Logic 101. Now go sign up for it at your local community college.

    • Josh101

      “Are you seriously this obtuse? The argument is simple: some features that were possible to do Day One on Xbox One with a Kinect were not possible Day One with the controller. This is not debatable. This is a fact. What you personally do or don’t do on your console is completely irrelevant.”

      It is completely relevant. I could use the console from the very beginning with no issue. Like I said. Just because YOU don’t have a capture card, means absolutely nothing to me. Once again, it’s not my fault Microsoft tried forcing a camera with every console even when the original Kinect had a horrible attach rate. That’s their own fault. They did the market research, they knew how people would react. They have a headphone jack in the XboxOne controller, they could simply allow that voice command over the mic. Kind of like how Sony does with the PS4….

      “Regarding targeted ads via Kinect:”

      Doesn’t mean it’s not either. I had already mentioned this exact thing in my post you replied to. Why would they allow you to opt out of targeted ad’s if there were none? See, Microsoft threatened Cinemablend . com because William Usher was calling Microsoft out on just this. That’s why William Usher has had to curb his thoughts and hold his tongue in his articles. They made them delete articles that told the truth with no doubt, threats of lawsuits for “defamation.” They had a post that had the XboxOne Terms of Service posted right on the site with the targeted ad’s portion in bold. :^)

      Not to mention, apparently you are an idiot if you accept ad’s on your PAY-FOR service. They are charging you to feed you ad’s, gouging money hand over fist. But, apparently, you are ok with this.

      “Regarding IR Blasters:”

      No it can’t with voice, that’s a fact. But it CAN with a simple button press that turns on my PS4, t.v., and surround system. Same thing, it is a IR blaster.

      “Regarding remote-play and Smartglass:”

      1. HAHAHAHAH. The Vita is much better. EVERY single game on the PS4 is remote-playable except SOME games that offer one game across 3 systems via Cross-BUY. There is no latency issues. I suggest you watch some remote-play videos on Youtube. All positive. It works great!!

      2. That’s a app, I have the same exact app on my phone. I purchase games and download them on my PS4 and they are ready by the time I get home. I’ve been doing that longer than you with Smartglass.

      “Regarding Sony Bravia:”

      1. Yes it is. My Bravia has had the feature before the XboxOne, before the console even came to market. All Microsoft did was copy the idea. It’s not innovative when someone else copies the idea. THAT’S the point.

      2. Yes you CAN play in main-mode and watch t.v. in the other.
      Yes you can flip flop the two. Apparently you didn’t research this, because you can do EXACTLY this. Are you dumb? That’s EXACTLY what I am saying.

      “Regarding what is and is not meaningless:”

      Yes it is meaningless, because the console could do everything THAT I NEEDED IT TO DO without the Kinect. Plain and simple. So yes, I could use the console as I needed since E3, 5 months before launch, without Kinect.

      “Regarding your lack of illegal activities:”

      They were forcing with every console with known involvement in the PRISM scandal. Which revealed they were giving away personal information via Skype video calls that use guess what!!! Cameras!!! Which would include the original Kinect. :^) The point is far more serious than you apologists make it out to be. My phone has no camera and is not aimed any living space in my home.

      The whole point of all of this, is that the XboxOne’s features you are touting are ALL SOFTWARE RELATED. They can ALL be ran on the PS4 due to the better hardware. That’s a fact. It Microsoft MONTHS to add in simple functionality like on-screen controller battery indicators. Which had to be petitioned and begged for. Smartglass is no competition to Remote-play, not by a LONG shot. The Vita Remote-play is far and above what Smartglass will ever be. HDMI in is Microsoft’s little way of gathering MORE information for targeted ad’s with Kinect. So they can gather information from you watching T.V. and your “expressions” when you see a certain commercial. It’s all in the patent that they filed before the XboxOne’s launch. :^)

      If you honestly can’t connect these dots, you are the one that’s an idiot. You seriously have to be working for Microsoft, It’s sad.

    • “Just because YOU don’t have a capture card, means absolutely nothing to me”.
      That you would need external hardware to achieve built-in features merely proves my point. The original Kinect is the best-selling videogame peripheral of all time, and the fastest-selling consumer electronics product of all time. Know reality. If you think simple voice commands is all Kinect does, then you’re an unfinformed tool. No microphone can do what Kinect does, and this is why the PS4 experience is so vastly inferior.

      ” Why would they allow you to opt out of targeted ad’s if there were none?”
      You are confused about what we’re talking about. You claimed that they were using the Kinect for targeted ads. There is no evidence of that, nor does it matter if there is because 1. Kinect isn’t required and never has been, and 2. you can opt out of all targeted ads. Your points are moot.

      “William Usher has had to curb his thoughts and hold his tongue in his articles”.
      Bill had to hold his tongue because he was at risk of being sued for libel for disseminating lies. He’s a charlatan of a “journalist” and the fact that he is still employed at Cinema Blend reflects how little credibility that outlet has.

      “you are an idiot if you accept ad’s on your PAY-FOR service.”
      I don’t do that, actually, but most people do: it’s common in every sector–cable television, video streaming, music streaming, computer and Web applications, etc. Stop trying to pretend that this is something unique. It’s not.

      “Same thing, it is a IR blaster.”
      Lies. For the umpteenth time, the PS4 DOES NOT HAVE AN IR BLASTER. Stop lying: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/11/xbox-one-vs-playstation-4-how-the-features-compare/index.htm

      “The Vita is much better.”
      It’s not, actually, because it requires you to have a Vita–a hugely expensive device with minimal support that is getting routed by the 3DS in sales and support. The Xbox One way is much better: any phone, tablet, or PC can work with SmartGlass.

      “That’s a app, I have the same exact app on my phone”
      The app is not nearly as widely available as SmartGlass. Additionally, we’re all aware of the massive problems PS4 has had with it’s sleep mode: http://www.cnet.com/news/sony-ps4-gets-rest-mode-bug-fix/

      “My Bravia has had the feature before the XboxOne”.
      First of all, let me reiterate that having to bring in a second device to compensate for the lack of features of the PS4 is not helping your argument. It’s hurting it. Second, no, that’s not true: the Bravia cannot do what the Xbox One does as far as multitasking. Not even close.

      “Yes you CAN play in main-mode and watch t.v. in the other. Yes you can flip flop the two”.
      No, you cannot do this. Not like the Xbox One. The Xbox One allows me to play games in the main windows and view apps in the snap windows, and instantly switch them, with a simple voice commands, nonetheless, including the ability to play some games in snap mode and vice versa. The Bravia cannot do this and the PS4 certainly cannot do this. You don’t understand what the Xbox One can do if you think otherwise.

      “the console could do everything THAT I NEEDED IT TO DO without the Kinect”.
      Again, this is meaningless. No one cares about your N=1 anecdotes. The fact is that the features differed, regardless of whether you used them or not.

      “They were forcing with every console with known involvement in the PRISM scandal.”
      Oh for Christ’s sake, we have a moronic conspiracy theorist here who doesn’t understand what the PRISM “scandal” was. Microsoft was legally obligated to provide that information to the government–by law. If you want to be mad, be mad at the government. Regardless, my point still remains: you said that it doesn’t matter to you that you can be tracked on a mobile phone since you’re not doing anything illegal, how is Kinect any different? Hypocrite.

      “the XboxOne’s features you are touting are ALL SOFTWARE RELATED. They can ALL be ran on the PS4 due to the better hardware.”
      That is not a fact at all and is the opposite of what I’m saying: many of the features of the Xbox One cannot and can never be done on the PS4 because of harware deficiencies in the PS4 (e.g. lack of an IR blaster, lack of HDMI-in, etc.).

      “You seriously have to be working for Microsoft”.
      Nope, I don’t. I just have no tolerance for ignoramuses who spread FUD and lies.

    • Josh101

      “If you think simple voice commands is all Kinect does, then you’re an unfinformed tool. No microphone can do what Kinect does, and this is why the PS4 experience is so vastly inferior.”

      Have you ever heard of the Playstation Eye? It’s a camera that has a microphone. It can do voice commands. The PS4 controller has a headphone jack like the XboxOne, it can do voice commands. It just has to be programmed to accept those same commands that the Kinect has. Software, that can easily be replicated. The PS4 has a HDMI-CEC. Which is basically the same thing. It doesn’t take much to turn a t.v. up or down otherwise.

      http://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/1qpg60/ps4_didnt_need_an_ir_blaster/

      “You are confused about what we’re talking about. You claimed that they were using the Kinect for targeted ads. There is no evidence of that, nor does it matter if there is because 1. Kinect isn’t required and never has been, and 2. you can opt out of all targeted ads. Your points are moot.”

      There was proof, they made cinemablend delete the post. It showed that portion of the Terms of Service that explicitly state they will use Kinect video for targeted ads. They have a patent stating just this. That they will use Kinect to see how many people are in the room and record their expressions during certain advertisements. For targeted
      ads’.

      “Bill had to hold his tongue because he was at risk of being sued for libel for disseminating lies. He’s a charlatan of a “journalist” and the fact that he is still employed at Cinema Blend reflects how little credibility that outlet has.”

      Yeah he was at risk, for telling truths and not sugarcoating them. He voiced the EXACT same thing that I did about targeting ad’s and using Kinect to gather the video information to do so. It is right in the Terms of Service on XboxOne. Which was in the article they made him delete.

      “Stop trying to pretend that this is something unique. It’s not.”

      From a company that locked ALL functionality behind a paywall including the web-browser? Yes this is something unique. That’s like someone selling a t.v. and charging to use the volume control. Or buying a PC and being charged to use the web-browser.

      “The Xbox One way is much better: any phone, tablet, or PC can work with SmartGlass.”

      You will have to purchase a PC to do so would you not? A tablet? A phone? The sell-through rate of the Vita has NOTHING to do with the capability it has compared to Smartglass. None of those options are good comparative to the PS Vita, which has all the buttons you need plus a touchscreen and touchpad. There’s no comparison. Also, we will be able to remote play on tablet and phone as well. Some phones have already been hacked to do so.

      http:// arstechnica . com /gaming/2015/02/unofficial-app-opens-up-ps4-remote-play-on-android-devices/

      “The app is not nearly as widely available as SmartGlass. Additionally, we’re all aware of the massive problems PS4 has had with it’s sleep mode:”

      Yes it is widely available.. What are you talking about? You brought up the rest mode problem that didn’t affect everyone and was fixed within 2 weeks? Aren’t you far reaching…

      “the Bravia cannot do what the Xbox One does as far as multitasking. Not even close.”

      Coupled with the PS4, yes it can. :^) See, the PS4 is more powerful than the XboxOne, they are both based on x86 architecture. You know this. Everything you are mentioned is software based. Outside of HDMI-in. Which is meaningless to the world outside of America. The PS4, being more powerful than the XboxOne, can run those software programs better, due to the stronger hardware. Not to mention, HDMI-in for t.v. is basically for America. Doesn’t really work well in the entire world. That’s why XboxOne is not outselling the PS4 in any country in the WORLD. Not even in America.

      “Bravia cannot do this and the PS4 certainly cannot do this. You don’t understand what the Xbox One can do if you think otherwise.”

      Exactly why can’t the PS4 do this? It’s SOFTWARE NOT HARDWARE. The point is, my BRAVIA, which is nowhere near as powerful as the PS4 has a the “Snap” mode. The PS4 can absolutely do this. With an extra 2gb of ddr3 ram for backround tasks and media. It is certainly capable of doing so.

      http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/11/15/ps4-teardown-reveals-an-extra-2gb-of-ddr3

      “Again, this is meaningless. No one cares about your N=1 anecdotes. The fact is that the features differed, regardless of whether you used them or not.”

      I could care less if it’s meaningless to you. You told me that I COULD NOT use the console as I NEEDED. I could in fact, so you are wrong. 🙂
      -ram-universal-power-supply/

      “Regardless, my point still remains: you said that it doesn’t matter to you that you can be tracked on a mobile phone since you’re not doing anything illegal, how is Kinect any different? Hypocrite.”

      I can buy my phone from any manufacturer without a camera attached to it. Microsoft said the console would not function without a camera attached to it, that was a lie. I used it at E3 without a camera and only a controller. My phone doesn’t have a camera attached to it, aimed at my living space. Which was Microsofts complete intent. They WANTED every console to HAVE TO BE CONNECTED TO A CAMERA AND ALWAYS ONLINE. They didn’t reverse those policies until they saw their pre-order numbers and PANICKED. Then all of the sudden, what was “Impossible” became possible. They have in their XboxOne terms of service, that they will use Kinect to gather video information for “targeted ad’s.” Which they will point to when they are revealed again, feeding information to the NSA. What will you say then? I would REALLLLLY love to hear what you will say at that point.

      Not to mention, Microsoft was caught building backdoors into their Windows platform back in 1999. Look up NSA_KEY. Where was the subpoena for this? Hmmm? You honestly think the largest OS creators that have a monopoly on computer OS’s are NOT working with the U.S. government willingly? You are calling ME naïve and a conspiracy theorist? Wake the F*CK up.

      “many of the features of the Xbox One cannot and can never be done on the PS4 because of harware deficiencies in the PS4 (e.g. lack of an IR blaster, lack of HDMI-in,”
      Yup, most features that the general public in America and ALL around the world have already voiced their opinions. The general consensus is over 20 million PS4’s sold-through to consumers and under 10 million XboxOne’s sold-through to consumers worldwide.

    • Again, see the very first point above. You’ve already refuted this for me.
      This admission completely undermines your previous comment, in which you implied that the Kinect wasn’t great because it wasn’t successful, when, in fact, it’s both.

      “Microsoft has been selling the XboxOne under $350 for months, lower than the cost of the PS4 and STILL is getting destroyed the world around.”
      See above. You just spent an entire paragraph undermining this claim. Logic 101, buddy.

      “Have you ever heard of the Playstation Eye?”
      You mean that low-qualy, 720p Kinect rip-off that cannot track heart beats, a half a dozen people, use facial recognition for auto-sign in, view in the dark, and has limited voice commands with even more limited accuracy rates? Yes, I’ve heard of it.

      “The PS4 controller has a headphone jack”
      This requires you to 1. power up the controller, 2. be holding it, 3. connect a headphone to it–wITH a microphone too. You don’t have to do any of that with Kinect.

      “Software, that can easily be replicated”. We’re 1.5 years and that “software” isn’t there yet for PS4. PS4 updates have been abysmal in comparison to Xbox One’s monthly updates. That said, it’s not software alone; hardware matters too and the hardware of the Kinect destroys the PS Camera.

      “It doesn’t take much to turn a t.v. up or down with a remote otherwise.”
      It requires a remote, which is less convenient.

      “There was proof, they made cinemablend delete the post”.
      This is only proof that Cinema Blend has no credibility and is guilty of libel. They wouldn’t have removed it if they didn’t have to legally do so. That they removed it is evidence that they were lying.

      “Yeah he was at risk, for telling truths and not sugarcoating them”.
      No, he was at risk for libel, which is illegal. You’re guilty of ‘sugarcoating’ his criminal activity.

      “Sony who doesn’t post 20+ billion profits every year offered free online play on PS3/PSP/PSVita and still does. You have to pay to play on PS4”.
      You pretty much just undermined yourself there. Sony are money grubbers, now charging for something they clearly didn’t charge for before.

      “To a company, Microsoft, that locked ALL functionality behind a paywall including the web-browser?”
      The paywall was justified given the superiority of Xbox Livek, not just in terms of reliability, but more so in security. PSN’s security is a joke. You get what you pay for.

      “That’s like someone selling a t.v. and charging to use the volume control”
      That’s a false analogy.

      “You will have to purchase a PC to do so would you not? A tablet? A phone?”
      You can buy a smartphone for $25 and it does way more than the Vita. That’s nothing compared to $200 for the brick that is the Vita. Or, you could get a cheap PC for the same price as a Vita and enjoy a much larger screen, and zero lag–something that has plagued streaming on PS4-Vita since it’s launch.

      “Coupled with the PS4, yes it can. :^) See, the PS4 is more powerful than the XboxOne”.
      For the umpteenth time, if you need to bring in a second device to compensate for the deficiencies of the first device, that automatically invalidates it as “being more powerful than the Xbox One”, which can do everything on it’s own. Logic 101.

      “Exactly why can’t the PS4 do this? It’s SOFTWARE NOT HARDWARE”
      You cannot do these things without the requisite hardware and PS4 lacks it. Sony doome the console from the get-go by omitting HDMI-in and IR blaster support. These things can never be added. Game, set, match.

      “You told me that I COULD NOT use the console as I NEEDED. I could in fact, so you are wrong.”
      Don’t be daft.

      “Microsoft said the console would not function without a camera attached to it, that was a lie”
      No, that wasn’t a lie. At the time, it was the truth. Then they changed the policy and spent the next 5 months fixing the console to make it true. There is a reason the Xbox One didn’t launch in most territories till September 2014–10 months later.

      “My phone doesn’t have a camera attached to it, aimed at my living space. Which was Microsofts complete intent”
      Again, by launch the Kinect was not required, so your point is moot. Simply don’t plug it in if you’re a moronic conspiracy theorist.

      “Not to mention, Microsoft was caught building backdoors into their Windows platform back in 1999”
      You’re going to bring up ‘back doors’ and privacy issues? Wow, you’re naive. Seems like you need to read up on Sony’s history with DRM and the legal charges brought against them.

      “The general consensus is over 20 million PS4’s sold-through to consumers and under 10 million XboxOne’s sold-through to consumers worldwide”
      Again, see the very first point above. You’ve already refuted this for me.

    • Josh101

      “you implied that the Kinect wasn’t great because it wasn’t successful, when, in fact, it’s both.”

      Out of a 50million player base. A couple million hardly means it’s successful. They sold the bulk of their Kinect consoles on 360 over a black Friday in the states. Just because it’s “successful” in one country doesn’t make it successful world around. Especially with the fail rate of Xbox360, which was the worse fail rate in consumer electronics history. :^) Logic 101 buddy…

      “Again, see the very first point above. You’ve already refuted this for me.”

      See above. You just spent an entire paragraph undermining this claim. Logic 101, buddy.

      Apparently you don’t get it. People said the PS4 outsells the XboxOne due to price. XboxOne was more expensive at first, the PS4 outsold it. Microsoft lowered the price to $350, the PS4 is STILL outselling it. If you couldn’t get that from my post, it’s your reading comprehension and logic that is at fault here. Not mine.

      “You mean that low-qualy, 720p Kinect rip-off that cannot track heart beats, a half a dozen people, use facial recognition for auto-sign in, view in the dark, and has limited voice commands with even more limited accuracy rates? Yes, I’ve heard of it.”

      You mean track that 6 people are watching the same movie and a patent to charge for each person watching movies? The PS4 has had facial recognition and auto-sign in since launch. The Kinect has horrible accuracy rates, even with all the hardware they put in it. The PS Eye and move set completely destroy it in accuracy. Also, the Kinect came out AFTER the PS2’s PS Eye, known then as the Eye toy. So, Microsoft copied Sony, yet again. Just like copying Sony by making the first Xbox. As well as copying Sony with PS+, with “Games with gold.” Sony’s Remote play with a horrible attempt with Smartglass. Playstation App. Along with “Snap” copied from Sony’s Picture AND Picture in their Bravia line.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgiaOl6kO40

      “This requires you to 1. power up the controller, 2. be holding it, 3. connect a headphone to it–wITH a microphone too. You don’t have to do any of that with Kinect.”

      Do you not hold a controller when you play games? What are you going to do? Stand in the kitchen and not play games while barking commands at your XboxOne that barely works? Yes, do that. You will have fun not playing your games with no controller and horrible motion control gimmicks. :^)

      “PS4 updates have been abysmal in comparison to Xbox One’s monthly updates.”

      Yet, Microsoft JUST added simple functionality like on-screen battery indicator. While Sony adds revolutionary functionality like Shareplay. :^)

      “That said, it’s not software alone; hardware matters too and the hardware of the Kinect destroys the PS Camera.”

      With that said, no one wants Kinect. Otherwise they would be outselling the PS4 worldwide. They apparently don’t want the XboxOne either, they would be outselling the PS4 if so. Which they are not. Xbox360 had a year head start and STILL got caught up to and surpassed during the generation. The XboxOne is being trounced world wide even with a lower price point. :^) Logic 101 buddy.

      “It requires a remote, which is less convenient.”

      Yes, t.v.’s come with a remote. It is less convenient to the most lazy people on the planet. Pressing a single button is not hard work. It takes less than 2 seconds to turn a t.v. up or down. Apparently not many people care, otherwise the XboxOne would be outselling or even matching the PS4’s sell-through rate. Which they are not. :^) Logic 101 buddy.

      “This is only proof that Cinema Blend has no credibility and is guilty of libel.”

      Nope, this is only proof that Microsoft throws it’s corporate money around and would take CinemaBlend to court and drag out litigation until the website went bankrupt and could no longer go through litigation. Cinemablend had posted the exact words from the XboxOne terms of service. Which is proof enough that they were right. Which doesn’t matter to a company with that much money. Logic 101 buddy.

      “No, he was at risk for libel, which is illegal. You’re guilty of ‘sugarcoating’ his criminal activity.”

      Nope, if he was a risk, Cinemablend would have fired him immediately. They didn’t, which goes to show that Microsoft most likely would have taken them to court and bled them dry of the money to run their site. Effectively ruining them. That’s not winning. Logic 101 buddy.

      “Sony are money grubbers, now charging for something they clearly didn’t charge for before”

      PS+ started with giving games with the subscription across PS3 and Vita. They didn’t start like Microsoft locking ALL functionality behind their paywall including the web-browser and Netflix. Sony on the other hand locked ONLY multiplayer on SOME games on the PS4 behind the paywall. You can still play all the free-to-play games without PS+. While on XboxOne, you STILL have to have XboxGold to play the free-to-play games. Microsoft is money-grubbing. While going the cheap route with their XboxOne creating a underpowered P.O.S.

      “The paywall was justified given the superiority of Xbox Livek, not just in terms of reliability, but more so in security. PSN’s security is a joke. You get what you pay for.”

      Nope both online networks work just fine. They both get targeted by DDOS attack which can’t be stopped when it’s legitimate requests being sent from legitimate IP addresses. Also, Microsoft’s OWN servers are being used in botnets to DDOS their very own XboxLive game-servers. Both Sony and Microsoft have hacked accounts. Sony’s 1st party servers are stable, I’ve never witnessed a interruption in online play outside of a DDOS attack. Not to mention all multi-platform games use 3rd party servers leased by the publishers of those games. Those go down, it’s on their end, not Sony’s or Microsoft. Logic 101 idiot.

      “That’s like someone selling a t.v. and charging to use the volume control”
      That’s a false analogy.”

      Nope, it’s not. It’s a feature that’s a part of the t.v. Just like the web-browser is a part of the console.

      “You can buy a smartphone for $25 and it does way more than the Vita. That’s nothing compared to $200 for the brick that is the Vita. Or, you could get a cheap PC for the same price as a Vita and enjoy a much larger screen, and zero lag–something that has plagued streaming on PS4-Vita since it’s launch.”

      But you have to buy a extra peripheral to use it no? Isn’t that your whole point? A smartphone does NOT do more than the Vita. It doesn’t have the button interface to even compete with the Vita. Zero lag? Really? That’s literally IMPOSSIBLE with today’s internet infrastructure. Try again. The PS Vita remote-play works extremely well. I suggest you look up videos on youtube. Here’s one, from over 4,500 miles away. Which they poster comments below saying he said “Jump” then pressed the button, creating the illusion of more lag. This is a INCREDIBLE feat and you can downplay all you want. It’s more amazing than anything Microsoft will accomplish with Smartglass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVMtUysfFcs

      “For the umpteenth time, if you need to bring in a second device to compensate for the deficiencies of the first device, that automatically invalidates it as “being more powerful than the Xbox One”, which can do everything on it’s own. Logic 101.”

      For the umpteenth time, the point is it’s a SOFTWARE feature. My t.v. has had “Snap” longer than XboxOne. My t.v. is not as powerful as the PS4. Which has 8GB’s of GDDR5, a GPU with higher ROPS and a dedicated 2GB’s of DDR3 ram for media. It is very well capable of running the Picture AND Picture mode, which Microsoft copied and called “Snap.” :^) Logic 101 buddy.

      “Sony doome the console from the get-go by omitting HDMI-in and IR blaster support. These things can never be added. Game, set, match.”

      HAHAHAH yeaaaaaa, NO. Just because you can flip channels on outdated cable means absolutely nothing. The whole world doesn’t care and they never will. People are moving away from set-top boxes and moving to Netflix and Hulu. People have controllers for their t.v.’s and can turn the volume up just fine with a simple button press. If they were so completely woo’d by the Kinect and it’s abilities, they would have pre-ordered en masse and the original policies would still be in effect. They didn’t and Microsoft panicked. Panicked even more so when the PS4 STILL crushes it worldwide and in their home territory. Even though the XboxOne is cheaper than the PS4 and comes with more games. Game, set, match, done. Over 20 million PS4’s sold-through to consumers says HELLO!! :^) Logic 101 buddy.

      “You told me that I COULD NOT use the console as I NEEDED. I could in fact, so you are wrong.”
      Don’t be daft.”

      “No, that wasn’t a lie. At the time, it was the truth. Then they changed the policy and spent the next 5 months fixing the console to make it true.”

      Not being daft, those are your words. That’s what you told me. I proved you wrong. At E3, there were no Kinect cameras. It was a lie. You could control the system with the controller. I could use the XboxOne in every fashion I needed to. See, E3 has loud music and people everywhere. It was easy to use the console with just the controller, hence, no Kinects at E3. :^) Logic 101 buddy.

      “Again, by launch the Kinect was not required, so your point is moot. Simply don’t plug it in if you’re a moronic conspiracy theorist.”

      Again, that’s not the point. It’s the fact that they attempted to destroy our right to the First Sale Doctrine, have Kinect always connected and listening and have the console always online. I bet you call Eric Snowden a conspiracy theorist as well huh? You are a idiot….Logic 101 buddy, use it.

      “You’re going to bring up ‘back doors’ and privacy issues? Wow, you’re naive. Seems like you need to read up on Sony’s history with DRM and the legal charges brought against them.”

      Ahh the rootkit scandal. Yes, I remember that. That’s a small footnote compared to what Microsoft has done over the past 30 years. A VERY SMALL footnote. Matter of fact here goes. Sony: Rootkit scandal, OtherOs removal (rightfully so after the Hyper-visor was released, enabling easy piracy with Linux), 2011 PSN hack (Which was a result of previous Hyper-visor being released) not Sony’s fault, it took over 5 years for them to be hacked. Sony’s lifetime track record. Microsoft: PRISM, attempting to put a always online always internet connected camera in Xbox owners home, #dealwithit (Which they condoned Adam Orth’s remarks for months, until they saw pre-order numbers and started firing people) attempt at destroying our rights to the First Sale Doctrine, paying Youtube personalities for positive reviews on games, paying off sites for positive reviews on games, money-hatting 3rd party exclusives because they lack the talent to create their own, outright buying established franchises like Minecraft, because they lack the ability to create their own, I could really keep going. That’s all in the last 2 years. We could go back further, but the point is made. :^) Logic 101.

      “Again, see the very first point above. You’ve already refuted this for me.”
      Again, you missed the point entirely. They say the PS4 outsold XboxOne due to lower price point. The XboxOne has been sold at $350 with multiple games for 6 months and BARELY beat Sony in U.S. ALONE 2 months out of the year and that was due to a Sony PS4 shortage. Sony completely dominates worldwide, again with over 20 million sold-through to consumers even while being the more expensive choice. The public has spoken and it’s nothing but good for Sony. Sucks to be you, because you are going to be on ALOT of websites trying to damage control for Microsoft for YEARS to come. With no effect on anyone. :^) Pick a different hobby, cause this one is not for you. This isn’t 360 vs PS3 anymore. 9100 comments on your profile, you are one F*CK of a loser. Have fun!!!! :^) Logic 101.

    • “Out of a 50million player base. A couple million hardly means it’s successful.”
      So many lies here. The Xbox 360 install base is approximately 83 million, not 50. And approximately 25 million Kinects have been sold (not including Kinect for Windows v1, Kinect 2 for Xbox One, or Kinect for Windows v2). As the best-selling videogame peripheral of all time, with a nearly 1/3-attachment rate, it sold extremely well.

      “Just because it’s ‘successful’ in one country doesn’t make it successful world around.”
      Actually, it does. Sales are sales. Logic 101, chump.

      “People said…”
      Stick to what I say. I don’t care what “people say”.

      “PS Eye and move set completely destroy it in accuracy”
      All right, sunshine. We’re done here if you’re this gone. Whether you actually believe that lie or if you’re just trying to propagate it is beside the point. I don’t debate with liars or ignoramuses either way. The Kinect absolutely destroys the PS Camera in every possible way, and if you seriously don’t know, all I can say is there is no help for you. But I will not tolerate someone spreading lies.

      “Just like copying Sony by making the first Xbox”
      You cannot really be this naive, can you? Do you understand that the Playstation was not the first video game console, that the PS Eye was not the first camera, and so forth? Do you really not know this? Oy vey.

      “Do you not hold a controller when you play games? What are you going to do? Stand in the kitchen and not play games while barking commands at your XboxOne”
      Most of the time I use my Xbox I never power on a controller. That’s why my controller batteries last more than 2 months. Voice and gesture commands mostly. And, yes, it’s very liberating being able to do that. The accuracy of both voice and gesture commands is superb: 99% for me.

      “Microsoft JUST added simple functionality like on-screen battery indicator. While Sony adds revolutionary functionality like Shareplay.”
      You are misinformed, badly. You need to go look at all of the monthly updates the Xbox One has received since launch and compare them with the update the PS4 has received. It’s an absolute rout. The Xbox One destroyed the PS4 in featurese at launch and the gap has increased ten-fold since then.

      “Yes, t.v.’s come with a remote. It is less convenient to the most lazy people on the planet.”
      Your arguments are paradoxical. Greater convenience is always better. Remotes are anachronistic.

      “… would take CinemaBlend to court and drag out litigation until the website went bankrupt and could no longer go through litigation.”
      If CinemaBlend was in the right, they would’ve fought Microsoft in court because it would’ve been free for them to do so (if you’re falsely accused, you can recuperate all court fees from the plaintif). That they did not is evidence that they were guilty.

      “Nope, if he was a risk, Cinemablend would have fired him immediately”
      No, that’s illegal. You cannot fire an employee just because he’s been accused of a crime.

      “Sony on the other hand locked ONLY multiplayer on SOME games…”
      Blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda. Remove your tongue from Sony’s orifices. You’re the most pathetic apologist I’ve ever seen.

      “Nope both online networks work just fine.”
      No, they don’t. PSN goes down more frequently, stays down longer, and has had several massive security violations. Need you really be reminded of the attack that put tens of millions of customers at risk? Never happened on Xbox Live.

      “Nope, it’s not. It’s a feature that’s a part of the t.v. Just like the web-browser is a part of the console.”
      Web browsing is not a “part of the console”. The power button is a part of the console. Web browsing is a software application. A remote control for a TV is a hardware peripheral. It was a false analogy. Don’t double down on stupidity.

      “The PS Vita remote-play works extremely well”
      Except that it doesn’t. It’s been heavily criticized for it’s massive latency issues. Sony doesn’t have the network acumen or infrastructure to pull it off.

    • Josh101

      “So many lies here. The Xbox 360 install base is approximately 83 million, not 50.”

      No, that is units sold. Which they included replacement Xbox360’s in with that count. That is not unique account holders. Microsoft never released their sold-through to consumer numbers. With a fail-rate as high as 360’s it is undoubtedly sitting at around 50 million, most likely less so with how many replacements people went through. Sorry to burst your bubble but that’s the truth. Also, they sold MILLIONS of the Kinect with the Xbox360 Black Friday Deals. They had not choice but to buy the Kinect with them, because the console was soo cheap.

      “Actually, it does. Sales are sales. Logic 101, chump.”

      No it doesn’t. Successful in one country does not make it successful in other countries idiot.

      “All right, sunshine. We’re done here if you’re this gone. Whether you actually believe that lie or if you’re just trying to propagate it is beside the point. I don’t debate with liars or ignoramuses either way.”

      Ahem…
      http://www.destructoid.com/e3-10-bbc-say-playstation-move-more-accurate-than-kinect-176333.phtml

      “You cannot really be this naive, can you? Do you understand that the Playstation was not the first video game console, that the PS Eye was not the first camera, and so forth?”

      Yes, and Sony was dominating the market. Microsoft wanted a piece of the action. So they attempted to copy by creating the Xbox. Are you really this dumb? That’s EXACTLY what they did. The PS Eye was the first camera offered on console. Microsoft copied it with the Kinect. :^)

      “Most of the time I use my Xbox I never power on a controller. That’s why my controller batteries last more than 2 months. Voice and gesture commands mostly.”

      Oh ok. So you basically use your Xbox to simply watch t.v.? That’s what this means. How do you play games that require a controller if you “never” turn on your controller?

      “You need to go look at all of the monthly updates the Xbox One has received since launch and compare them with the update the PS4 has received.”

      That’s because Sony’s console was more feature complete from the start. They didn’t have to add in simple functionality like a on-screen battery indicator. It was there from the START. The only features that Microsoft has over Sony is: DLNA, CD playback and I’m hard-pressed to think of anything else meaningful.

      “If CinemaBlend was in the right, they would’ve fought Microsoft in court because it would’ve been free for them to do so (if you’re falsely accused, you can recuperate all court fees from the plaintif). That they did not is evidence that they were guilty.”

      Not if Microsoft spread the litigation with appeals for years on end. They wouldn’t be able to sit in court day-in and out and not run their website. Microsoft has the money to do so. Also, apparently you missed this. It is right in my post above, obviously you didn’t refresh.

      Weeee!! Looksy what I found!!! They DIDN’T delete them, they just don’t show up in individual searches. This first link is Microsoft’s Kinect Privacy in the XboxOne’s T.O.S. Saying they will use Kinect to gather information for targeted ad’s. :^)

      http://www.cinemablend.com/m/g… rosoft-May-Share-Limited-Information-60277.html

      This second link is the original Kinect being used by GCHQ and NSA taking pictures and video from the Kinect, which included nude information. Which Microsoft said they had no idea they were doing so. If they had no idea, how were they obligated by subpoena? Hmmm?

      http://www.cinemablend.com/gam… ually-Explicit-Images-Recovered-62527.html

      This last link is where Microsoft denies their partnership with Machinima and paying their Youtube reviewers. Now why would Machinima pay their reviewers more for positive reviews? Just because they are such nice guys? No, there was a incentive to do so from Microsoft.

      http://www.cinemablend.com/gam… B1M13-Contract-Xbox-One-61782.html

      WEEEEEeeeeeeeeeEEEEE!!! This is FUN!! :^)

      “No, that’s illegal. You cannot fire an employee just because he’s been accused of a crime.”

      But!! But!!!! Didn’t you question the professionalism of the website because he “Is still employed there?” Pfftt, double standards much?

      “Remove your tongue from Sony’s orifices. You’re the most pathetic apologist I’ve ever seen.”

      HAHAHAHAHAH, coming from someone who is deepthroating Microsoft and swallowing whole everything they throw at you, this is hilarious. A person that is ok with Microsofts attempt at destroy our rights and charging people to be fed targeted ad’s on a pay-for system and watches ad-ridden t.v. while letting it rot your brain. Idiot. Don’t be mad because EVERY point you are trying to make gets destroyed. You have no life. Sitting with almost 10K comments while you damage control for Microsoft. LMAO, WOW.

      “No, they don’t. PSN goes down more frequently, stays down longer, and has had several massive security violations. Need you really be reminded of the attack that put tens of millions of customers at risk? Never happened on Xbox Live.”

      Need I remind you that Sony paid for Fraud Protection for all customers who had Credit Cards attached to their accounts? Unlike ANY other company that has had a breach. Target was recently hacked in the same fashion, they offered a “Sorry, here’s a giftcard to our store.” Microsoft doesn’t do that and they have XboxLive accounts hacked on the daily. Sony doesn’t. I also already explained in great detail how they got hacked when the PS3 HyperVisor was released by George Hotz. But you skipped right over that huh? No need to worry, I’ll post all you skipped over right here. Microsoft went down twice in December, once on Dec. 2nd and on the 25th. Sony went down on the 25th as well. But there goes your “goes down more frequently b.s. Microsoft went down more than Sony did the past 3 months as well. Hmmmm. What about that?

      With that said, no one wants Kinect. Otherwise they would be outselling the PS4 worldwide. They apparently don’t want the XboxOne either, they would be outselling the PS4 if so. Which they are not. Xbox360 had a year head start and STILL got caught up to and surpassed during the generation. The XboxOne is being trounced world wide even with a lower price point. :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Sony “Money-grabbing.”
      PS+ started with giving games with the subscription across PS3 and Vita. They didn’t start like Microsoft locking ALL functionality behind their paywall including the web-browser and Netflix. Sony on the other hand locked ONLY multiplayer on SOME games on the PS4 behind the paywall. You can still play all the free-to-play games without PS+. While on XboxOne, you STILL have to have XboxGold to play the free-to-play games. Microsoft is money-grubbing. While going the cheap route with their XboxOne creating a underpowered P.O.S.
      Smartglass:
      But you have to buy a extra peripheral to use it no? Isn’t that your whole point? A smartphone does NOT do more than the Vita. It doesn’t have the button interface to even compete with the Vita. Zero lag? Really? That’s literally IMPOSSIBLE with today’s internet infrastructure. Try again. The PS Vita remote-play works extremely well. I suggest you look up videos on youtube. Here’s one, from over 4,500 miles away. Which they poster comments below saying he said “Jump” then pressed the button, creating the illusion of more lag. This is a INCREDIBLE feat and you can downplay all you want. It’s more amazing than anything Microsoft will accomplish with Smartglass.
      Software features:
      For the umpteenth time, the point is it’s a SOFTWARE feature. My t.v. has had “Snap” longer than XboxOne. My t.v. is not as powerful as the PS4. Which has 8GB’s of GDDR5, a GPU with higher ROPS and a dedicated 2GB’s of DDR3 ram for media. It is very well capable of running the Picture AND Picture mode, which Microsoft copied and called “Snap.” :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Hardware and ownage:
      HAHAHAH yeaaaaaa, NO. Just because you can flip channels on outdated cable means absolutely nothing. The whole world doesn’t care and they never will. People are moving away from set-top boxes and moving to Netflix and Hulu. People have controllers for their t.v.’s and can turn the volume up just fine with a simple button press. If they were so completely woo’d by the Kinect and it’s abilities, they would have pre-ordered en masse and the original policies would still be in effect. They didn’t and Microsoft panicked. Panicked even more so when the PS4 STILL crushes it worldwide and in their home territory. Even though the XboxOne is cheaper than the PS4 and comes with more games. Game, set, match, done. Over 20 million PS4’s sold-through to consumers says HELLO!! :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Further ownage:
      Not being daft, those are your words. That’s what you told me. I proved you wrong. At E3, there were no Kinect cameras. It was a lie. You could control the system with the controller. I could use the XboxOne in every fashion I needed to. See, E3 has loud music and people everywhere. It was easy to use the console with just the controller, hence, no Kinects at E3. :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      And more:
      Again, that’s not the point. It’s the fact that they attempted to destroy our right to the First Sale Doctrine, have Kinect always connected and listening and have the console always online. I bet you call Eric Snowden a conspiracy theorist as well huh? You are a idiot….Logic 101 buddy, use it.
      Even MORE:
      Ahh the rootkit scandal. Yes, I remember that. That’s a small footnote compared to what Microsoft has done over the past 30 years. A VERY SMALL footnote. Matter of fact here goes. Sony: Rootkit scandal, OtherOs removal (rightfully so after the Hyper-visor was released, enabling easy piracy with Linux), 2011 PSN hack (Which was a result of previous Hyper-visor being released) not Sony’s fault, it took over 5 years for them to be hacked. Sony’s lifetime track record. Microsoft: PRISM, attempting to put a always online always internet connected camera in Xbox owners home, #dealwithit (Which they condoned Adam Orth’s remarks for months, until they saw pre-order numbers and started firing people) attempt at destroying our rights to the First Sale Doctrine, paying Youtube personalities for positive reviews on games, paying off sites for positive reviews on games, money-hatting 3rd party exclusives because they lack the talent to create their own, outright buying established franchises like Minecraft, because they lack the ability to create their own. Placing advertisements on a pay-for service and charging you to do so. I could really keep going. That’s all in the last 2 years. We could go back further, but the point is made. :^) Logic 101.
      Wow, more:
      “Again, see the very first point above. You’ve already refuted this for me.”
      Again, you missed the point entirely. They say the PS4 outsold XboxOne due to lower price point. The XboxOne has been sold at $350 with multiple games for 6 months and BARELY beat Sony in U.S. ALONE 2 months out of the year and that was due to a Sony PS4 shortage. Sony completely dominates worldwide, again with over 20 million sold-through to consumers even while being the more expensive choice. The public has spoken and it’s nothing but good for Sony. Sucks to be you, because you are going to be on ALOT of websites trying to damage control for Microsoft for YEARS to come. With no effect on anyone. :^) Pick a different hobby, cause this one is not for you. This isn’t 360 vs PS3 anymore. 9100 comments on your profile, you are one F*CK of a loser. Have fun!!!! :^) Logic 101.
      Seriously, stop trying. You are done. It’s over. You lose. #getoverit :^) 😀 🙂 😉 😛

    • “That is not unique account holders. Microsoft never released their sold-through to consumer numbers.”

      So then you completely fabricated your data before? That’s inexusable.

      “Successful in one country does not make it successful in other countries”.

      Globalization happend decades ago. Sales are sales. And the Kinect is the most successful video game peripheral of all time. Get over it.

      “Ahem…”
      Ahem. You’re 5-year-old source is outdated.

      “Are you really this dumb? That’s EXACTLY what they did.”
      By that stupid logic you should hate Sony for copying Sega and Nintendo, who you then should hate for copying Atari, Intellivision, and Colecovision. Get a clue, bub.

      “So you basically use your Xbox to simply watch t.v.? That’s what this means”
      No, that’s not what it means. It means I use it for everything: TV, music, movies, apps, motion-controlled games, voice-controlled games, and, yes, sometimes even the boring, decades-old, played-out, controller games too. Most of the time, I never turn on a controller. That’s so anachonistic.

      “That’s because Sony’s console was more feature complete from the start. They didn’t have to add in simple functionality like a on-screen battery indicator”

      No, it wasn’t. Not even close. The console doesn’t even have HDMI-in, infrared, SmartGlass, OneGuide, OneDrive, Skype, DLNA support, cannot even play audio CDs for Christ’s sake. Stop myopically focusing on one tiny feature like a “battery indicator”. Big whoop. My first set of batteries lasted longer than the time it took Microsoft to add that feature. The amount of features PS4 has is a joke in comparison to the Xbox One.

      “Not if Microsoft spread the litigation with appeals for years on end. ”
      Irrelevant. If CinemaBlend were innocent, they would not foot any of that bill. Learn how court systems work.

      All of those sources are misleading click-bait, and Cinema Blend has no credibility in the journalism industry. Terms-of-Service clearly states that targeted ads can be opted out of. And Kinect was never required by the time the console launched. Your points are irrelevant.

      Microsoft was proven innocent in the Machinima case. Stop spreading lies.

      “Didn’t you question the professionalism of the website because he “Is still employed there?”
      Absolutel, and I still do. He’s a terrible writer and a phony journalist. That website has no credibility.

      “HAHAHAHAHAH”
      I’ll ignore this delusional digression.

      “Need I remind you that Sony paid for Fraud Protection for all customers who had Credit Cards attached to their accounts?”
      Oh, how kind of them… You are so naive. Their incompetence but tens of millions of people at risk. There is nothing to brag about there, you fool.

      “What about that?”
      What about that? You’re misinformed. PSN is down way more often than Xbox Live, and when it goes down, it goes down longer. And Xbox Live has never been hacked, putting at risk tens of millions of consumers. This isn’t even debatable. Sony is the biggest joke in the tech industry when it comes to network security. Just ask Seth Rogen.

      “With that said, no one wants…”
      Keep your naive canards to yourself. I don’t have the patience to read through all of the crap you regurgitate.

      “PS+ started with giving games with the subscription across PS3 and Vita. They didn’t start like Microsoft locking”

      PS+ and Games with Gold are the stupidest programs in the industry: anonymous gift-giving is economically irrational, and Sony should be rebuked for wasting everyone’s money by doing so, and Microsoft should be chastized for following suit. That said, you’re arguming that “Microsoft did it first” is foolish. That makes Sony even more culpable, Einstein.

      “But you have to buy a extra peripheral to use it no? Isn’t that your whole point?”
      I made my point very clear. There is a big difference between dropping $25 on a smartphone that has a ton of uses versus dropping $200–8 times as much–on a myopic, unsupported device like the Vita.

      “That’s literally IMPOSSIBLE with today’s internet infrastructure”
      Maybe with your crappy Internet, or Sony’s. Not mine.

    • Josh101

      “So then you completely fabricated your data before? That’s inexusable.”

      Nope I didn’t fabricate anything. Microsoft still released sold-in numbers, which is where you got that 83 million from. Which Microsoft counts consoles replaced under warranty as. :^) Keep trying, you’ll never win this argument.

      “Globalization happend decades ago. Sales are sales. And the Kinect is the most successful video game peripheral of all time. Get over it.”

      In America maybe. But the rest of the world? Nope, not even close. Globalization means absolutely nothing. That’s simple PR nonsense to make shareholders happy. Are you a shareholder? Seems like it.

      “Ahem. You’re 5-year-old source is outdated.”

      Doesn’t matter. It’s the truth. You said I was lying. I wasn’t.

      “By that stupid logic you should hate Sony for copying Sega and Nintendo, who you then should hate for copying Atari, Intellivision, and Colecovision”

      Nope, Sony didn’t decide to jump into the console industry because others were making money. They were working together with Nintendo to make the Superdisc. Their relationship folded and Sony made a modified version resulting in the first Playstation, it could also play Nintendo cartridges. So, no, that logic doesn’t work with Sony. Good try though 🙂
      http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bl_playstation.htm

      “Most of the time, I never turn on a controller. That’s so anachronistic.”

      Mhmmm, sure.. That means you play a total of less than 10 titles on your XboxOne. So, you really don’t even play games. I’m pretty sure you are employed by a marketing agency that damage controls for Microsoft. I am almost positive.

      “The console doesn’t even have HDMI-in, infrared, SmartGlass, OneGuide, OneDrive, Skype, DLNA support, cannot even play audio CDs for Christ’s sake.”

      HDMI is a hardware feature. Everything else you mentioned is SOFTWARE FEATURES. The PS4 will get DLNA for one and a better version of it. Since Microsoft didn’t create one, they simply copied their 360 version and ported it over. My PS Vita has Skype. My phone has “Smartglass.” My PS Vita actually remote plays my games, very well at that. :^) Again, these are all software features. Which are the only ones that Sony is lacking compared to Microsoft. So, if Microsoft has had to add all of those features to catch up to Sony, that’s THEIR fault. Sony was more feature complete from the start. Point, blank, simple.

      “Terms-of-Service clearly states that targeted ads can be opted out of. And Kinect was never required by the time the console launched. Your points are irrelevant.”

      Nope, my points are relevant. It says right in the T.O.S. that they will use the Kinect to gather personal information for targeted ad’s. Which is fact. Doesn’t matter if you can opt out of them. It’s the point that they have that in their T.O.S. when they lied and said that “We would NEVER use Kinect to spy on people.” :^) Logic 101 buddy.

      “Irrelevant. If CinemaBlend were innocent, they would not foot any of that bill. Learn how court systems work.”

      Nope, completely relevant. They would have to pay a lawyer to represent them. Unless they found one to go pro-bono. Which, against a company as massive as Microsoft, not going to happen. Microsoft has their own lawyers and can definitely afford to pay them for years on end.

      “Microsoft was proven innocent in the Machinima case. Stop spreading lies.”

      Your proof? Let me guess, because Microsoft denied they knew Machinima was giving reward for positive XboxOne game reviews? How is that “proven innocent.” Let me guess, Machinima are such nice people they were paying their youtubers for positive reviews out of the kindness of their hearts? Bullsh*t…. There was clear incentive between Microsoft and Machinima for positive reviews.

      “Absolutel, and I still do. He’s a terrible writer and a phony journalist. That website has no credibility.”

      Why? Is it because they told the truth and didn’t hold their tongue in doing so? They have the proof. They are just as credible as any other website. They just didn’t sugarcoat a single thing they said. Which is what journalists SHOULD do. Not bend to the will of corporate companies. Which William Usher didn’t do. He told it like it was and let the public know what they NEEDED to know. With facts. Otherwise those articles I posted, would have been forced to be deleted. They weren’t. Click-bait, hahahah, yeahhh sure. Just cause they said what you were hoping they didn’t say. :^) Logic 101 buddy.

      “What about that? You’re misinformed. PSN is down way more often than Xbox Live, and when it goes down, it goes down longer. And Xbox Live has never been hacked, putting at risk tens of millions of consumers. This isn’t even debatable. Sony is the biggest joke in the tech industry when it comes to network security. Just ask Seth Rogen.”

      No, I am not misinformed. You said the PSN is down way more often than XboxLive. Which is false. They have been taken down by DDOS recently in December, that’s it. Outside of that scheduled maintenance, which you can still access everything on the console outside the Playstation Store, as long as you login within 12 hours of the maintenance. Your point is moot. Security experts have gone on record to say that the Sony Pictures breach was a inside job. Nothing Sony could have done to prevent that.

      http://www.bing.com/search?q=Sony+pictures+breach+was+internal+security+expert+says&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=sony+pictures+breach+was+internal+security+expert+says&sc=0-21&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=fec1fce8ec3b42f5a1aa99437aca0b9c&adlt=strict

      “Keep your naive canards to yourself. I don’t have the patience to read through all of the crap you regurgitate.”

      No, you don’t have the rebuttals to what I write. Be honest for once. You are getting completely owned EVERY post. It’s hilarious. :^)

      “PS+ and Games with Gold are the stupidest programs in the industry: anonymous gift-giving is economically irrational, and Sony should be rebuked for wasting everyone’s money by doing so, and Microsoft should be chastized for following suit. That said, you’re arguming that “Microsoft did it first” is foolish. That makes Sony even more culpable, Einstein.”

      Yup, economically irrational for Sony, but they went ahead and did so, because they actually want their customers to be happy. Makes Sony more culpable? Seriously? The only way this would make Sony more culpable is if they were to make PS+ mandatory for PSP/PS Vita/PS3 as well. It isn’t, so no, they are not. Idiot….Are you really this dumb in real life, or just on the internet?

      “I made my point very clear. There is a big difference between dropping $25 on a smartphone that has a ton of uses versus dropping $200–8 times as much–on a myopic, unsupported device like the Vita.”

      Nope, your point was if you have to buy a device separate from what you have, that instantly makes it less convenient. For “Smartglass” to work you would have to buy a tablet, computer or smartphone. Instantly making it less convenient by your “standards.” You are seriously a idiot and can’t even recall what your argument was in the first place.. The PS Vita is better than any peripheral you can purchase to use “Smartglass.” Will always be better due to the button interface with touchpad and touchscreen. Unsupported? http://newpsvitagames.com/ It has great games already and more to come. It is also the ultimate peripheral for the PS4, being able to remote play games from across the world. With physical buttons to actually play games. Which doesn’t matter to you, because you aren’t a gamer. You are a damage control marketing agent.

      “Maybe with your crappy Internet, or Sony’s. Not mine.”

      You mean when you are sitting at home on the same wifi connection? Yup, that’s what you mean. I am speaking of being across the world and playing games via Remote-play using a Vita. I have flawless connection on the same internet connection also.

      Here’s positive reviews of remote-play. There are tons of pages to look through. You can also look on Youtube. There are plenty on there as well. :^) With the recent update that allows 60Fps remote play, it’s even better. 😀
      http://www.bing.com/search?q=PS+Vita+remote+play+review&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=ps+vita+remote+play+review&sc=1-26&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=c703c83a2de04aa79e2524b90d77ef11&adlt=strict

      Oh, and you missed all of this again. :^)

      With that said, no one wants Kinect. Otherwise they would be outselling the PS4 worldwide. They apparently don’t want the XboxOne either, they would be outselling the PS4 if so. Which they are not. Xbox360 had a year head start and STILL got caught up to and surpassed during the generation. The XboxOne is being trounced world wide even with a lower price point. :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Sony “Money-grabbing.”
      PS+ started with giving games with the subscription across PS3 and Vita. They didn’t start like Microsoft locking ALL functionality behind their paywall including the web-browser and Netflix. Sony on the other hand locked ONLY multiplayer on SOME games on the PS4 behind the paywall. You can still play all the free-to-play games without PS+. While on XboxOne, you STILL have to have XboxGold to play the free-to-play games. Microsoft is money-grubbing. While going the cheap route with their XboxOne creating a underpowered P.O.S.
      Smartglass:
      But you have to buy a extra peripheral to use it no? Isn’t that your whole point? A smartphone does NOT do more than the Vita. It doesn’t have the button interface to even compete with the Vita. Zero lag? Really? That’s literally IMPOSSIBLE with today’s internet infrastructure. Try again. The PS Vita remote-play works extremely well. I suggest you look up videos on youtube. Here’s one, from over 4,500 miles away. Which they poster comments below saying he said “Jump” then pressed the button, creating the illusion of more lag. This is a INCREDIBLE feat and you can downplay all you want. It’s more amazing than anything Microsoft will accomplish with Smartglass.
      Software features:
      For the umpteenth time, the point is it’s a SOFTWARE feature. My t.v. has had “Snap” longer than XboxOne. My t.v. is not as powerful as the PS4. Which has 8GB’s of GDDR5, a GPU with higher ROPS and a dedicated 2GB’s of DDR3 ram for media. It is very well capable of running the Picture AND Picture mode, which Microsoft copied and called “Snap.” :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Hardware and ownage:
      HAHAHAH yeaaaaaa, NO. Just because you can flip channels on outdated cable means absolutely nothing. The whole world doesn’t care and they never will. People are moving away from set-top boxes and moving to Netflix and Hulu. People have controllers for their t.v.’s and can turn the volume up just fine with a simple button press. If they were so completely woo’d by the Kinect and it’s abilities, they would have pre-ordered en masse and the original policies would still be in effect. They didn’t and Microsoft panicked. Panicked even more so when the PS4 STILL crushes it worldwide and in their home territory. Even though the XboxOne is cheaper than the PS4 and comes with more games. Game, set, match, done. Over 20 million PS4’s sold-through to consumers says HELLO!! :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Further ownage:
      Not being daft, those are your words. That’s what you told me. I proved you wrong. At E3, there were no Kinect cameras. It was a lie. You could control the system with the controller. I could use the XboxOne in every fashion I needed to. See, E3 has loud music and people everywhere. It was easy to use the console with just the controller, hence, no Kinects at E3. :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      And more:
      Again, that’s not the point. It’s the fact that they attempted to destroy our right to the First Sale Doctrine, have Kinect always connected and listening and have the console always online. I bet you call Eric Snowden a conspiracy theorist as well huh? You are a idiot….Logic 101 buddy, use it.
      Even MORE:
      Ahh the rootkit scandal. Yes, I remember that. That’s a small footnote compared to what Microsoft has done over the past 30 years. A VERY SMALL footnote. Matter of fact here goes. Sony: Rootkit scandal, OtherOs removal (rightfully so after the Hyper-visor was released, enabling easy piracy with Linux), 2011 PSN hack (Which was a result of previous Hyper-visor being released) not Sony’s fault, it took over 5 years for them to be hacked. Sony’s lifetime track record. Microsoft: PRISM, attempting to put a always online always internet connected camera in Xbox owners home, #dealwithit (Which they condoned Adam Orth’s remarks for months, until they saw pre-order numbers and started firing people) attempt at destroying our rights to the First Sale Doctrine, paying Youtube personalities for positive reviews on games, paying off sites for positive reviews on games, money-hatting 3rd party exclusives because they lack the talent to create their own, outright buying established franchises like Minecraft, because they lack the ability to create their own. Placing advertisements on a pay-for service and charging you to do so. I could really keep going. That’s all in the last 2 years. We could go back further, but the point is made. :^) Logic 101.
      Wow, more:
      “Again, see the very first point above. You’ve already refuted this for me.”
      Again, you missed the point entirely. They say the PS4 outsold XboxOne due to lower price point. The XboxOne has been sold at $350 with multiple games for 6 months and BARELY beat Sony in U.S. ALONE 2 months out of the year and that was due to a Sony PS4 shortage. Sony completely dominates worldwide, again with over 20 million sold-through to consumers even while being the more expensive choice. The public has spoken and it’s nothing but good for Sony. Sucks to be you, because you are going to be on ALOT of websites trying to damage control for Microsoft for YEARS to come. With no effect on anyone. :^) Pick a different hobby, cause this one is not for you. This isn’t 360 vs PS3 anymore. 9100 comments on your profile, you are one F*CK of a loser. Have fun!!!! :^) Logic 101.
      Seriously, stop trying. You are done. It’s over. You lose. #getoverit :^) 😀 🙂 😉 😛

    • Nope, my point was that spending 8 times as much money for a less useful device is not as good. Read what I’m writing.

      This is right after you claimed 50-odd million consoles and a few million Kinects. Uh, yes, you did. You fabricated those data. Don’t be a liar.

      “In America maybe. But the rest of the world? Nope, not even close. Globalization means absolutely nothing. That’s simple PR nonsense to make shareholders happy.”
      Globalization happened everywhere, Joshua. It’s an empirical fact that sociologists, economist, and political scientists have long verified. Sales are sales.

      “Doesn’t matter. It’s the truth. You said I was lying. I wasn’t”
      You are lying, so is that outdated, inaccurate article. Scientists have tested these things: the hardware and software inside the Kinect 1 and Kinect 2 is state-of-the-art, better than anything else on the market. Stop spreading FUD.

      “Sony didn’t decide to jump into the console industry because others were making money.”
      Are you really that naive? Really? Everything Sony does is for money–same as any other for-profit corporation. I feel like I’m talking to a kitten, you’re so naive.

      “That means you play a total of less than 10 titles on your XboxOne”
      There are more than 10 Kinect titles on Xbox One.

      “I’m pretty sure you are employed by a marketing agency that damage controls for Microsoft. I am almost positive”
      I am positive that you work for Sony, and I’m also positive that they pay you far too much, even if they pay you nothing, for you’re merely making them look bad with your ignorance.

      “Everything else you mentioned is SOFTWARE FEATURES”
      Not true. IR blaster is hardware, not software, Joshua. The ability to play CDs is hardware, not software, Joshua. Any other lies you’d like to make? Like this one:

      “Sony was more feature complete from the start”
      Pure lies. Everyone knows the Xbox One launched with more features and has gotten more features over time. The gap was large at the start; it’s gargantuan now. The PS4 is myopic.

      “It says right in the T.O.S. that they will use the Kinect to gather personal information for targeted ad’s”
      Broken record. Broken record. Broken record. I’ve addressed this numerous times: 1. just because something is in a TOS doesn’t mean it’s ever used. That’s Logic 101. 2. Targeted ads can be opted out of. 3. Kinect was never required to be plugged in. All of those facts make your points moot, and we’ve been over this repeatedly. You lost. Let it go and stop wasting everyone’s time with your broken record, broken record, broken record act.

      “They would have to pay a lawyer to represent them”
      First, this isn’t true. No lawyer is needed. You can always represent yourself. 2. If they were falsely accused and won the case, the false accuser would have to foot the bill.

      “Your proof?”
      Microsoft and Machinima both issued formal press releases proving so. No legal action was taken against either party. The contract was legal. It was a standard marketing contract.

      “Is it because they told the truth and didn’t hold their tongue in doing so?”
      Nope. It’s the opposite of that: it’s because their journalists lie. They have absolutely zero respect in the journalism industry and are known as click-bait troll poseur journalists.

      “You said the PSN is down way more often than XboxLive. Which is false.”
      That is not false. That’s a fact. When PSN was hacked in 2011 due to Sony’s negligence, it was down for 23 consecutive days, exposing private information for 77 million customers. Worse yet, Sony lied about this for weeks! It’s unconscionable. Xbox Live has never been hacked, has never had customer information stolen, and has been down far less than PSN even if you only considered that 23-day PSN outage on it’s own. It’s a rout. Stop spreading lies.

      “No, you don’t have the rebuttals to what I write. Be honest for once. You are getting completely owned EVERY post. It’s hilarious.”
      The really sad thing is that you actually believe that. Every nonsensical farce of a point you have made, I’ve torn down. Every cogent statement I’ve made, you’ve digressed. If this were a Logic 101 course, you’d have been expelled from the program.

      “Yup, economically irrational for Sony, but they went ahead and did so, because they actually want their customers to be happy.”
      No, it’s because they’re run by buffoons, which is why the entire company has been bleeding money for years and they’ve been selling off assets like a local yard sale. Oh, they want their customers to be happy, do they? Is that why they prevented EA Access from coming to PS4? Because customers without choice are always happier, right? You naive little child.

      “Nope, your point was if you have to buy a device separate from what you have, that instantly makes it less convenient”
      Nope, my point was that spending 8 times as much money for a less useful device is not as good. Read what I’m writing.

    • Josh101

      “This is right after you claimed 50-odd million consoles and a few million Kinects. Uh, yes, you did. You fabricated those data. Don’t be a liar.”

      Yes, actual consumers owning consoles. I’ve already stated this. Not sold-in to retailers. Which Microsoft counts replacements as. Which would put the install base of actual active accounts at around that total. Don’t believe me? PSN has more users than Steam, who has more users than XboxLive. At the time of this article there were only 48 million active XboxLive accounts. It’s not much higher than that now. This article sources the amount of active accounts for PSN, Steam and XboxLive. :^) So yes, extrapolating, that’s about right. Especially considering the failure rate of the Xbox360. The sad thing is, you actually think you are right and calling me wrong in the process. Another thing, I had a XboxLive account, I let it lapse. I’m sure I’m not the only one. So the number could be even smaller.

      http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/30/5045830/steam-65-million-active-accounts-6-million-concurrent-users

      “Globalization happened everywhere, Joshua. It’s an empirical fact that sociologists, economist, and political scientists have long verified. Sales are sales.”

      Yup, sales are sales. Still doesn’t mean it was a International success. So no, still.

      “You are lying, so is that outdated, inaccurate article. Scientists have tested these things: the hardware and software inside the Kinect 1 and Kinect 2 is state-of-the-art, better than anything else on the market. Stop spreading FUD.”

      By itself yes, but that wasn’t what my original post said. This is exactly what I said: “The PS Eye and move set completely destroy it in accuracy. Also, the Kinect came out AFTER the PS2’s PS Eye, known then as the Eye toy.” Do you see that? The PS Eye and move set completely destroy it in accuracy. Which is 100% accurate. Not my fault that in your rage you completely skipped over that part. So again, you are wrong. 😀 🙂 :^) WEEEEEEE!! You thought you were right and that I’m the idiot. Nope, you just proved that you are.

      “Not true. IR blaster is hardware, not software, Joshua. The ability to play CDs is hardware, not software, Joshua.”

      I already told you, the PS4 has HDMI-CEC. It can turn on the t.v. and surround system, it also switches the channel to the HDMI in which it is connected to. People have no problem turning a t.v. up or down. They never have. So that’s a moot point. Also, can a Bluray drive play CD’s? The answer is yes. So the bluray drive in the PS4 can play CD’s. It’s blocked by not having the SOFTWARE to allow it. Which the PS4 will eventually have. http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/sony-remembers-ps4-will-play-cds-and-mp3s-after-update-1199081

      “Pure lies. Everyone knows the Xbox One launched with more features and has gotten more features over time. The gap was large at the start; it’s gargantuan now. The PS4 is myopic.”

      You’ve already named the features that PS4 is lacking compared to XboxOne, it’s only a handful of features. You even tossed in apps for good measure. The PS4 is on par with XboxOne feature wise and has two features that completely destroy it, Shareplay and Remote-play. They also have Cross-play and Cross-buy. All of which completely own the XboxOne in their own right.

      “Broken record. Broken record. Broken record. I’ve addressed this numerous times”

      Blah, blah and blah. You addressed it, with pure apologist b.s. They put it in the T.O.S., they absolutely plan on using it. Otherwise the articles that you completely gleaned over wouldn’t be up for the whole world to see. Which shows the NSA and GCHQ taking personal video from Microsoft’s original Kinect without subpoena. Which you said that Microsoft was obligated to give away, because of subpoena. You lied. They will do the same with this Kinect and point to the T.O.S. saying it’s OK because it’s right there in the T.O.S. Logic 101, which you will just dismiss it as “conspiracy theorist” talk. Like you have multiple times, because you are naïve idiot. People like you are the reason our rights are being diminished by the day, good job dumb*ss.

      “First, this isn’t true. No lawyer is needed. You can always represent yourself. 2. If they were falsely accused and won the case, the false accuser would have to foot the bill.”

      Yes, the smart thing to do with a corporate giant is to represent yourself. You’re a idiot. 2. No lawyer is going to go pro-bono against a giant corporation unless it was a class action lawsuit. That said, you would have to pay a lawyer for his/her service.

      “Microsoft and Machinima both issued formal press releases proving so. No legal action was taken against either party. The contract was legal. It was a standard marketing contract.”

      Yup, irrefutable evidence. Microsoft also had a formal press release stating they would never use Kinect to target ad’s. Again, it’s right in their T.O.S. that they can and will. Are you really this retarded?

      “Nope. It’s the opposite of that: it’s because their journalists lie. They have absolutely zero respect in the journalism industry and are known as click-bait troll poseur journalists.”

      They didn’t lie in a single article I posted above. It was all factual. Please point out the lies… There were none. Idiot….

      “That is not false. That’s a fact. When PSN was hacked in 2011 due to Sony’s negligence, it was down for 23 consecutive days, exposing private information for 77 million customers. Worse yet, Sony lied about this for weeks! It’s unconscionable. Xbox Live has never been hacked, has never had customer information stolen, and has been down far less than PSN even if you only considered that 23-day PSN outage on it’s own. It’s a rout. Stop spreading lies.”

      No, Sony notified ALL MAJOR Credit Card companies of the breach on April 19th and they all went into Fraud Alert. I know, because my bank called me and American Express called my sister on the 20th and 21st. On April 29th they came out to the public and let them know the severity of the issues. 9 days after the hack. XboxLive has never been hacked? Are you SERIOUS? That’s a lie. http://www.bing.com/search?q=Xbox+Live+hacked%2C+48+million+users+exposed&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=xbox+live+hacked%2C+48+million+users+exposed&sc=0-18&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=d070755959574e5d83416ef41d2d3310&adlt=strict

      “Every nonsensical farce of a point you have made, I’ve torn down. Every cogent statement I’ve made, you’ve digressed.”

      Nope, you’ve completely skipped over multiple paragraphs multiple times, which you will again when I repost them in this post again.

      “Oh, they want their customers to be happy, do they? Is that why they prevented EA Access from coming to PS4? Because customers without choice are always happier, right? You naive little child.”

      When launching a service of their own? Yes, EA can f*ck off. Sony’s PS Now is definitely a better deal, with hundreds of games available. Across multiple platforms.

      “Nope, my point was that spending 8 times as much money for a less useful device is not as good. Read what I’m writing.”

      Please show me a $25 phone that is a more capable device with physical buttons like the Vita. I’ll wait. You’re an idiot.

      With that said, no one wants Kinect. Otherwise they would be outselling the PS4 worldwide. They apparently don’t want the XboxOne either, they would be outselling the PS4 if so. Which they are not. Xbox360 had a year head start and STILL got caught up to and surpassed during the generation. The XboxOne is being trounced world wide even with a lower price point. :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Sony “Money-grabbing.”
      PS+ started with giving games with the subscription across PS3 and Vita. They didn’t start like Microsoft locking ALL functionality behind their paywall including the web-browser and Netflix. Sony on the other hand locked ONLY multiplayer on SOME games on the PS4 behind the paywall. You can still play all the free-to-play games without PS+. While on XboxOne, you STILL have to have XboxGold to play the free-to-play games. Microsoft is money-grubbing. While going the cheap route with their XboxOne creating a underpowered P.O.S.
      Smartglass:
      But you have to buy a extra peripheral to use it no? Isn’t that your whole point? A smartphone does NOT do more than the Vita. It doesn’t have the button interface to even compete with the Vita. Zero lag? Really? That’s literally IMPOSSIBLE with today’s internet infrastructure. Try again. The PS Vita remote-play works extremely well. I suggest you look up videos on youtube. Here’s one, from over 4,500 miles away. Which they poster comments below saying he said “Jump” then pressed the button, creating the illusion of more lag. This is a INCREDIBLE feat and you can downplay all you want. It’s more amazing than anything Microsoft will accomplish with Smartglass.
      Software features:
      For the umpteenth time, the point is it’s a SOFTWARE feature. My t.v. has had “Snap” longer than XboxOne. My t.v. is not as powerful as the PS4. Which has 8GB’s of GDDR5, a GPU with higher ROPS and a dedicated 2GB’s of DDR3 ram for media. It is very well capable of running the Picture AND Picture mode, which Microsoft copied and called “Snap.” :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Hardware and ownage:
      HAHAHAH yeaaaaaa, NO. Just because you can flip channels on outdated cable means absolutely nothing. The whole world doesn’t care and they never will. People are moving away from set-top boxes and moving to Netflix and Hulu. People have controllers for their t.v.’s and can turn the volume up just fine with a simple button press. If they were so completely woo’d by the Kinect and it’s abilities, they would have pre-ordered en masse and the original policies would still be in effect. They didn’t and Microsoft panicked. Panicked even more so when the PS4 STILL crushes it worldwide and in their home territory. Even though the XboxOne is cheaper than the PS4 and comes with more games. Game, set, match, done. Over 20 million PS4’s sold-through to consumers says HELLO!! :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Further ownage:
      Not being daft, those are your words. That’s what you told me. I proved you wrong. At E3, there were no Kinect cameras. It was a lie. You could control the system with the controller. I could use the XboxOne in every fashion I needed to. See, E3 has loud music and people everywhere. It was easy to use the console with just the controller, hence, no Kinects at E3. :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      And more:
      Again, that’s not the point. It’s the fact that they attempted to destroy our right to the First Sale Doctrine, have Kinect always connected and listening and have the console always online. I bet you call Eric Snowden a conspiracy theorist as well huh? You are a idiot….Logic 101 buddy, use it.
      Even MORE:
      Ahh the rootkit scandal. Yes, I remember that. That’s a small footnote compared to what Microsoft has done over the past 30 years. A VERY SMALL footnote. Matter of fact here goes. Sony: Rootkit scandal, OtherOs removal (rightfully so after the Hyper-visor was released, enabling easy piracy with Linux), 2011 PSN hack (Which was a result of previous Hyper-visor being released) not Sony’s fault, it took over 5 years for them to be hacked. Sony’s lifetime track record. Microsoft: PRISM, attempting to put a always online always internet connected camera in Xbox owners home, #dealwithit (Which they condoned Adam Orth’s remarks for months, until they saw pre-order numbers and started firing people) attempt at destroying our rights to the First Sale Doctrine, paying Youtube personalities for positive reviews on games, paying off sites for positive reviews on games, money-hatting 3rd party exclusives because they lack the talent to create their own, outright buying established franchises like Minecraft, because they lack the ability to create their own. Placing advertisements on a pay-for service and charging you to do so. I could really keep going. That’s all in the last 2 years. We could go back further, but the point is made. :^) Logic 101.
      Wow, more:
      “Again, see the very first point above. You’ve already refuted this for me.”
      Again, you missed the point entirely. They say the PS4 outsold XboxOne due to lower price point. The XboxOne has been sold at $350 with multiple games for 6 months and BARELY beat Sony in U.S. ALONE 2 months out of the year and that was due to a Sony PS4 shortage. Sony completely dominates worldwide, again with over 20 million sold-through to consumers even while being the more expensive choice. The public has spoken and it’s nothing but good for Sony. Sucks to be you, because you are going to be on ALOT of websites trying to damage control for Microsoft for YEARS to come. With no effect on anyone. :^) Pick a different hobby, cause this one is not for you. This isn’t 360 vs PS3 anymore. 9100 comments on your profile, you are one F*CK of a loser. Have fun!!!! :^) Logic 101.
      Seriously, stop trying. You are done. It’s over. You lose. #getoverit :^) 😀 🙂 😉 😛

    • “Yes, actual consumers owning consoles. I’ve already stated this”

      And I’ve stated that your numbers were fabricated. You lied about them. You don’t know the actual numbers. You have no credibility now.

      “PSN has more users than Steam, who has more users than XboxLive”
      Having an account for an online network is not the same thing as buying a console. This statement is a fallacy.

      “you actually think you are right and calling me wrong in the process.”
      I am right: you’re wrong. You fabricated information, “extrapolating” information incorrectly, and hypothesizging–without data.

      “Another thing, I had a XboxLive account, I let it lapse. I’m sure I’m not the only one. So the number could be even smaller.”
      This argument completely undermines your previous (albeit, already incorrect) argument–another example that you don’t understand basic logic.

      “Yup, sales are sales. Still doesn’t mean it was a International success”
      If “sales are sales”, then in a globalized economy, it means exactly that.

      “The PS Eye and move set completely destroy it in accuracy. Also, the Kinect came out AFTER the PS2’s PS Eye, known then as the Eye toy.” Do you see that? The PS Eye and move set completely destroy it in accuracy. Which is 100% accurate.”
      That is not 100% accurate, actually. Nevermind the fact that you’re comparing disparate technologies, what laymen like to call “apples to oranges”. Let me know how accurate that heart-rate reading capabilility on PS Eye is.

      “can a Bluray drive play CD’s?”
      No, it can’t, actually. Those that do have an extra lens to read CDs.

      “People have no problem turning a t.v. up or down. They never have. So that’s a moot point.”
      You don’t speak for everyone in the human race. That’s a fallacy. Conveniene is never a moot point.

      “You’ve already named the features that PS4 is lacking compared to XboxOne, it’s only a handful of features.”
      Not even close, amigo. I named a few of the numerous features the PS4 is lacking. The actual list is in the dozens, but I’m not going to spam them all here. You can look them up on your own.

      “features that completely destroy it, Shareplay and Remote-play.”
      Subjective nonsense. Shareplay is blocked by major publishers and is inferior to true multiplayer, and remote play cannot do all games and suffers from serious latency issues. Those features are a joke.

      “put it in the T.O.S., they absolutely plan on using it.”
      Again, this is a fallacy. You clearly know nothing about the legal system or history or logic if you believe that to be true–it’s not. Regardless, my previous points still stand: 1. Kinect has always been optional, 2. one can always opt out of targeted ads. Your points = moot.

      “Yes, the smart thing to do with a corporate giant is to represent yourself. You’re a idiot. 2. No lawyer is going to go pro-bono against a giant corporation unless it was a class action lawsuit. That said, you would have to pay a lawyer for his/her service”
      What I wrote were facts: you don’t need a lawyer. What you wrote are opinions: you should have a lawyer. That’s why my arguments stand and yours do not.

      “Yup, irrefutable evidence. Microsoft also had a formal press release stating they would never use Kinect to target ad’s.”
      This is another fallacy–pulling in an unrelated, hypothetical example as support. Learn how the rules of debating work. I’ve tired of your inability to understand basic logic.

      “They didn’t lie in a single article I posted above. It was all factual.”
      Logic 101: just becuase they didn’t lie in one article doesn’t mean they haven’t lied in other articles. Seriously, you’re obtuse.

      “Sony notified ALL MAJOR Credit Card companies of the breach on April 19th”
      That’s already criminally late–days after they discovered the breach at Sony. Regardless, failing to notify customers–the ones whose actual personal information was leaked–is unconsionable. That you are even trying to justify their behavior is all the evidence we need to know you’re a Sony shill.

      “On April 29th they came out to the public and let them know the severity of the issues. 9 days after the hack”
      False. The hack began on April 17. That is not 9 days later. Lies, lies, lies.

      “XboxLive has never been hacked? Are you SERIOUS? That’s a lie”
      No, it’s not a lie. Do you even read your rubbish sources? Seriously, from the very first one: “Following the publication of this story, Microsoft confirmed to GameSpot that Xbox Live has not been hacked. ‘Xbox Live has not been hacked'”

      “EA can ____ off. Sony’s PS Now is definitely a better deal”
      It’s not, actually. PS Now is a ripoff. That’s beside the point, though. The point is that Sony won’t let its customers make their own decisions. That is the antithesis of your claim that they care about their customers. If they cared about their customers, they wouldn’t restrict their customers choices and pigeon-hole them into their own, inferior, more expensive services.

      “Please show me a $25 phone that is a more capable device”
      It doesnt’ have to be “more capable”. It merely has to be capable of running Smartglass. And any $25 smartphone can do that.

      “No one wants Kinect”
      This is false. Kinect is the best-selling videogame peripheral of all time.

      Seeing as how the rest of your posts are just regurgitated nonsense that I’ve already addressed, I will stick to the points above until you acknowledge them or slither off. No more tolerating your digressive nonsense.

    • Josh101

      “And I’ve stated that your numbers were fabricated. You lied about them. You don’t know the actual numbers. You have no credibility now.”

      No I didn’t lie. Microsoft has published active Xbox Live accounts. Which this article states. Now what do you need to setup a Xbox? An account. http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/30/5045830/steam-65-million-active-accounts-6-million-concurrent-users

      “Having an account for an online network is not the same thing as buying a console. This statement is a fallacy.”

      Of course having an account isn’t the same as buying a console. But you need an account to use the console. The statement is not a fallacy considering the failure rate of the Xbox360. In which Microsoft count replacement systems as sold-in numbers. Again, where you got 83 million from.

      “I am right: you’re wrong. You fabricated information, “extrapolating” information incorrectly, and hypothesizging–without data.”

      I have data, I posted it. It’s in my previous reply. You just ignored it.

      “This argument completely undermines your previous (albeit, already incorrect) argument–another example that you don’t understand basic logic.”

      No it doesn’t. It reinforces it. If a previous active account holder, out of the 48 million active accounts, lets it lapse. That’s one less active account. The console is still mine and I didn’t purchase another after the 4th one I replaced. So they have in the VERY least, one less active account. With 4 “purchases” from that one account.

      “If “sales are sales”, then in a globalized economy, it means exactly that.”

      Again, globalized economy is for shareholders and PR purposes. The reality is exactly as I stated. It’s not a international success.

      “That is not 100% accurate, actually. Nevermind the fact that you’re comparing disparate technologies, what laymen like to call “apples to oranges”. Let me know how accurate that heart-rate reading capabilility on PS Eye is.”

      Nope, it is 100% accurate. The PS Eye and Kinect are game-peripherals, serving the same purpose. The PS Eye coupled with the move set, completely destroy the Kinect in accuracy. Which is 100% factual. Noted by many articles for your proof. What exact function will a heart-rate reader do for me? Absolutely nothing. Other than checking to see if you get excited by seeing certain games/movies/advertisements for use in targeted ad’s. :^) Which is in their patent.

      “No, it can’t, actually. Those that do have an extra lens to read CDs.”

      Now who is being obtuse? *snicker The PS4 has an extra lens to read CD’s, meaning it can read *gasp* CD’s. :^) Again, you were owned in this point, but you chose to be obtuse. Weeeeee!!!!

      “You don’t speak for everyone in the human race. That’s a fallacy. Conveniene is never a moot point.”

      Nope, I’ve never met anyone on the planet that has had an issue using the volume control. So, I do speak for the entire human race that I’ve been in contact with. :^)

      “Not even close, amigo. I named a few of the numerous features the PS4 is lacking. The actual list is in the dozens, but I’m not going to spam them all here. You can look them up on your own.”

      Nope, actual list is dozens if you include apps. Which aren’t features, they are applications. You named off just about every feature the XboxOne has that the PS4 doesn’t. Which once again, they are software related. Features that will be on the PS4 at some point. So, again a moot point.

      “Subjective nonsense. Shareplay is blocked by major publishers and is inferior to true multiplayer, and remote play cannot do all games and suffers from serious latency issues. Those features are a joke.”

      Shareplay isn’t blocked by “major publishers.” The only “major publisher” is Activision with Call of Duty. We’ve been through this already. Remote play can do all games. The ones it can’t are either cross-buy or have a Vita version, which is free with cross-buy. Which is a very short list. It remote play just about every game available. What games are not remote-playable since you seem to think you know? How many XboxOne games are remote-playable?

      “Again, this is a fallacy. You clearly know nothing about the legal system or history or logic if you believe that to be true–it’s not. Regardless, my previous points still stand: 1. Kinect has always been optional, 2. one can always opt out of targeted ads. Your points = moot.”

      Apparently you are naïve and a idiot to boot. Your previous points don’t stand at all. The point is that Microsoft have in their T.O.S. that they will use Kinect to target ad’s at you. They lied and said they “Would NEVER use Kinect to spy on people.” They made a public press statement saying just this. But they lied. Your points = moot.

      “What I wrote were facts: you don’t need a lawyer. What you wrote are opinions: you should have a lawyer. That’s why my arguments stand and yours do not.”

      No it’s not opinion, it is fact. It would be suicide going into a legal battle with a corporate giant without a lawyer. You would have to pay that lawyer for his time. No lawyer is going to go pro-bono against a large corporation. Unless it was a class action lawsuit. Which is fact. Name one court case where a lawyer went pro-bono against a corporation. Idiot…..

      “This is another fallacy–pulling in an unrelated, hypothetical example as support. Learn how the rules of debating work. I’ve tired of your inability to understand basic logic.”

      How is fact, a hypothetical? They lied once, they could, would and do lie again. How can you not understand basic logic and call me ignorant? Answer this. WHY WOULD MACHINIMA OFFER YOUTUBE REVIEWERS CASH INCENTIVES FOR POSITIVE REVIEWS ON XBOXONE TITLES?

      “Logic 101: just becuase they didn’t lie in one article doesn’t mean they haven’t lied in other articles. Seriously, you’re obtuse.”

      Right after you say I have the inability to understand basic logic, you post this gem. Are you SERIOUS? Pulling an unrelated, hypothetical example as support. What do their other articles have to do with the articles that spoke nothing but fact? Hmm? You are seriously dumb. Very, very dumb.

      “That’s already criminally late–days after they discovered the breach at Sony. Regardless, failing to notify customers–the ones whose actual personal information was leaked–is unconsionable. That you are even trying to justify their behavior is all the evidence we need to know you’re a Sony shill.”

      If they didn’t know the extent of the breach, which they didn’t. Why would they cause an uproar by telling all their members all of their Credit Card numbers were stolen? They notified Credit Card bureau’s first. Then offered Credit Card protection for free. They also gave away free games. That’s more than any other company has ever offered.

      “False. The hack began on April 17. That is not 9 days later. Lies, lies, lies.”

      OH MY GOD I WAS 2 DAYS OFF!!! Burn the heretic!! It’s small compared to the “weeks” that you said they didn’t say anything. Lies, lies, lies. Idiot….

      “No, it’s not a lie. Do you even read your rubbish sources? Seriously, from the very first one: “Following the publication of this story, Microsoft confirmed to GameSpot that Xbox Live has not been hacked. ‘Xbox Live has not been hacked'”

      Oh yeah, that completely explains away the mass amount of hacked XboxLive accounts including mine with purchases made on the accounts and CC’s. No, it doesn’t.

      “If they cared about their customers, they wouldn’t restrict their customers choices and pigeon-hole them into their own, inferior, more expensive services.”

      Inferior? Less than 10 games available for the EA service compared to 100’s available on PS Now. Hahahahahah, no. You can use PS Now, on T.V.’s, PS4, PS3 and Ps Vita. Soon to be phones, computers and tablets. No, EA’s service is rubbish.

      “It doesnt’ have to be “more capable”. It merely has to be capable of running Smartglass. And any $25 smartphone can do that.”

      Yes, again proving that “Smartglass” is just a application and any crap phone can use the app features, which amount to a whole lotta nothing. Remote-play you can play games with physical controls for accuracy and is far better than “Smartglass.”

      “This is false. Kinect is the best-selling videogame peripheral of all time.”

      The game attach rate for Kinect was/is abysmal. There are no killer apps for the Kinect or the Kinect 2.0. They sold it on promises of whimsical killer games. They disappointed. Not to mention a large percentage of Kinects were bought by modders for the PC. Another large percentage purchased Xbox360 black Friday bundles for $150. That’s not because they wanted the Kinect. They bought those bundles simply cause they were cheap. I know, I personally bought 2. :^)

      Sony shill? Nope, I am a previous Xbox owner that doesn’t let pieces of sh*t like yourself sit and pretend that Microsoft, an extremely horrible company is all good and dandy. Again, you will have a LONG set of years ahead of you. You will never change anyone’s mind. Anyone reading these posts will see that you just don’t get it and religiously defend Microsoft even though they aren’t defendable. You have fun with that.

      These aren’t going anywhere.

      With that said, no one wants Kinect. Otherwise they would be outselling the PS4 worldwide. They apparently don’t want the XboxOne either, they would be outselling the PS4 if so. Which they are not. Xbox360 had a year head start and STILL got caught up to and surpassed during the generation. The XboxOne is being trounced world wide even with a lower price point. :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Sony “Money-grabbing.”
      PS+ started with giving games with the subscription across PS3 and Vita. They didn’t start like Microsoft locking ALL functionality behind their paywall including the web-browser and Netflix. Sony on the other hand locked ONLY multiplayer on SOME games on the PS4 behind the paywall. You can still play all the free-to-play games without PS+. While on XboxOne, you STILL have to have XboxGold to play the free-to-play games. Microsoft is money-grubbing. While going the cheap route with their XboxOne creating a underpowered P.O.S.
      Smartglass:
      But you have to buy a extra peripheral to use it no? Isn’t that your whole point? A smartphone does NOT do more than the Vita. It doesn’t have the button interface to even compete with the Vita. Zero lag? Really? That’s literally IMPOSSIBLE with today’s internet infrastructure. Try again. The PS Vita remote-play works extremely well. I suggest you look up videos on youtube. Here’s one, from over 4,500 miles away. Which they poster comments below saying he said “Jump” then pressed the button, creating the illusion of more lag. This is a INCREDIBLE feat and you can downplay all you want. It’s more amazing than anything Microsoft will accomplish with Smartglass.
      Software features:
      For the umpteenth time, the point is it’s a SOFTWARE feature. My t.v. has had “Snap” longer than XboxOne. My t.v. is not as powerful as the PS4. Which has 8GB’s of GDDR5, a GPU with higher ROPS and a dedicated 2GB’s of DDR3 ram for media. It is very well capable of running the Picture AND Picture mode, which Microsoft copied and called “Snap.” :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Hardware and ownage:
      HAHAHAH yeaaaaaa, NO. Just because you can flip channels on outdated cable means absolutely nothing. The whole world doesn’t care and they never will. People are moving away from set-top boxes and moving to Netflix and Hulu. People have controllers for their t.v.’s and can turn the volume up just fine with a simple button press. If they were so completely woo’d by the Kinect and it’s abilities, they would have pre-ordered en masse and the original policies would still be in effect. They didn’t and Microsoft panicked. Panicked even more so when the PS4 STILL crushes it worldwide and in their home territory. Even though the XboxOne is cheaper than the PS4 and comes with more games. Game, set, match, done. Over 20 million PS4’s sold-through to consumers says HELLO!! :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Further ownage:
      Not being daft, those are your words. That’s what you told me. I proved you wrong. At E3, there were no Kinect cameras. It was a lie. You could control the system with the controller. I could use the XboxOne in every fashion I needed to. See, E3 has loud music and people everywhere. It was easy to use the console with just the controller, hence, no Kinects at E3. :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      And more:
      Again, that’s not the point. It’s the fact that they attempted to destroy our right to the First Sale Doctrine, have Kinect always connected and listening and have the console always online. I bet you call Eric Snowden a conspiracy theorist as well huh? You are a idiot….Logic 101 buddy, use it.
      Even MORE:
      Ahh the rootkit scandal. Yes, I remember that. That’s a small footnote compared to what Microsoft has done over the past 30 years. A VERY SMALL footnote. Matter of fact here goes. Sony: Rootkit scandal, OtherOs removal (rightfully so after the Hyper-visor was released, enabling easy piracy with Linux), 2011 PSN hack (Which was a result of previous Hyper-visor being released) not Sony’s fault, it took over 5 years for them to be hacked. Sony’s lifetime track record. Microsoft: PRISM, attempting to put a always online always internet connected camera in Xbox owners home, #dealwithit (Which they condoned Adam Orth’s remarks for months, until they saw pre-order numbers and started firing people) attempt at destroying our rights to the First Sale Doctrine, paying Youtube personalities for positive reviews on games, paying off sites for positive reviews on games, money-hatting 3rd party exclusives because they lack the talent to create their own, outright buying established franchises like Minecraft, because they lack the ability to create their own. Placing advertisements on a pay-for service and charging you to do so. I could really keep going. That’s all in the last 2 years. We could go back further, but the point is made. :^) Logic 101.
      Wow, more:
      “Again, see the very first point above. You’ve already refuted this for me.”
      Again, you missed the point entirely. They say the PS4 outsold XboxOne due to lower price point. The XboxOne has been sold at $350 with multiple games for 6 months and BARELY beat Sony in U.S. ALONE 2 months out of the year and that was due to a Sony PS4 shortage. Sony completely dominates worldwide, again with over 20 million sold-through to consumers even while being the more expensive choice. The public has spoken and it’s nothing but good for Sony. Sucks to be you, because you are going to be on ALOT of websites trying to damage control for Microsoft for YEARS to come. With no effect on anyone. :^) Pick a different hobby, cause this one is not for you. This isn’t 360 vs PS3 anymore. 9100 comments on your profile, you are one F*CK of a loser. Have fun!!!! :^) Logic 101.
      Seriously, stop trying. You are done. It’s over. You lose. #getoverit :^) 😀 🙂 😉 😛

    • “No I didn’t lie. Microsoft has published active Xbox Live accounts”

      Active Xbox Live accounts does not equal Xbox install base. Fallacy 1.

      “But you need an account to use the console.”

      No, you don’t. You can play as a guest, entirely offline. Fallacy 2.

      “The statement is not a fallacy considering the failure rate of the Xbox360”.

      You have no data on the failure rate and the number of consoles this resulted in being purchased anew because they were out of warranty, as opposed to those being replaced while on warranty, or purchased used, or refurbished. That is, you know nothing about this but your claim you do. Fallacy 3.

      “I have data, I posted it. It’s in my previous reply. You just ignored it.”

      You don’t, and I didn’t. You posted fabricated numbers. I have interest in your unscientific guesses. Fallacy 4.

      “So they have in the VERY least, one less active account”
      Again, active accounts do not equal install bases. Fallacy 5 (or, Fallacy 1 repeated).

      “It’s not a international success.”
      Yes, it is, because, in a globalized economy, sales are sales. Fallacy 6.

      “The PS Eye coupled with…”
      Argument automatically invalidated by bringing in an extra peripheral to compensate for the shortcomings of the actual peripheral of interest. Fallacy 7.

      “The PS4 has an extra lens to read CD’s, meaning it can read *gasp* CD’s.”
      The PS4 cannot read CDs. Fallacy 8.

      “I’ve never met anyone on the planet that has had an issue using the volume control”
      So you’ve never heard of disabled people? You’re pretty naive then. Fallacy 9.

      “Nope, actual list is dozens if you include apps”
      Nope, it used to be dozens. It’s since grown by dozens more, especially if you include apps, which Xbox One is also routing PS4 in. Fallacy 10.

      “Shareplay isn’t blocked by ‘major publishers.'”
      Yes, it is. Fallacy 11. Here is a list of just some of the games blocked:
      Another World
      Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
      Call of Duty: Ghosts
      Child of Light
      Fez
      Hotline Miami
      Metro Redux
      Minecraft
      PixelJunk Shooter Ultimate
      Rayman Legends
      SteamWorld Dig
      Thief
      Tomb Raider
      Wolfenstein: The New Order

      “Remote play can do all games. The ones it can’t are…”
      I don’t even have to disprove that one becuase you just did it for me in the very next sentence. Fallacy 12.

      Also, the Vita remote play experience is awful because of lag and because the Vita has fewer buttons (no clickable thumbsticks and only one set of shoulder buttons).

      “The point is that Microsoft have in their T.O.S. that they will use Kinect to target ad’s at you.”
      Logic does not follow precedent. Just because something exists in a TOS does not mean it occurs in the real world. Logic 101. Fallacy 13.

      “They lied and said they ‘Would NEVER use Kinect to spy on people.'”
      And they never have. Fallacy 14

      My previous points still stand: 1. Kinect has always been optional, 2. one can always opt out of targeted ads. Your points = moot.

      “No it’s not opinion, it is fact. It would be suicide going into”
      You just underminded yourself again in the subsequent sentence, claiming it’s fact and then immediately demonstrating it’s an opinion. Fallacy 15.

      “How is fact, a hypothetical? They lied once, they could, would and do lie again.”
      Again, you just made the same error in reasoning, arguing that your hypothetical is a fact and then, in the next sentence, using a hypothetical to support that error. Fallacy 16.

      “WHY WOULD MACHINIMA OFFER YOUTUBE REVIEWERS CASH INCENTIVES FOR POSITIVE REVIEWS ON XBOXONE TITLES?”
      Because they signed a contract to run a marketing campaign for Xbox One. It’s pretty simple really.

      “Pulling an unrelated, hypothetical example as support.”
      That’s not an unrelated, hypothetical example. It’s called a counterfactual and it’s used to prove that your original statement is a fallacy, which it is. Fallacy 17.

    • Josh101

      “Active Xbox Live accounts does not equal Xbox install base. Fallacy 1.”

      Fail rate and replacement consoles do not equal install base. Which Microsoft counts.

      “No, you don’t. You can play as a guest, entirely offline. Fallacy 2.”

      Fallacy. Nope, you have to create a account. It comes right after you pick your language.

      “You have no data on the failure rate and the number of consoles this resulted in being purchased anew because they were out of warranty, as opposed to those being replaced while on warranty, or purchased used, or refurbished. That is, you know nothing about this but your claim you do. Fallacy 3.”

      Anyone with a brain can look online to see the failure rate is abysmal according to MILLIONS of complaints and dozens of published stories from respected websites. Not a fallacy.

      “You don’t, and I didn’t. You posted fabricated numbers. I have interest in your unscientific guesses. Fallacy 4.”

      Anyone with a brain can look up the number of complaints and see that Microsoft is terrified of releasing actual failure rate numbers. It was the worst in consumer electronic history. Not a fallacy.

      “Yes, it is, because, in a globalized economy, sales are sales. Fallacy 6.”

      Nope, PR Marketing nonsense. Being successful in one country does not make you successful internationally. Period. Not a fallacy.

      “Argument automatically invalidated by bringing in an extra peripheral to compensate for the shortcomings of the actual peripheral of interest. Fallacy 7.”

      Nope, the peripheral was made for the PS Eye and the PS Eye only. Not a fallacy. It’s more accurate than Kinect, which was the point. Don’t get mad because you missed what I said and called me a liar. :^)

      “The PS4 cannot read CDs. Fallacy 8.”

      Yes it can. Just not this very moment because it hasn’t been told to do so with software. Not a fallacy.

      “So you’ve never heard of disabled people? You’re pretty naive then. Fallacy 9.”

      I like how you leave out the other part of my posts to make yourself seem right. “So, I do speak for the entire human race that I’ve been in contact with. :^)” So it is a fact. :^)

      “Nope, it used to be dozens. It’s since grown by dozens more, especially if you include apps, which Xbox One is also routing PS4 in. Fallacy 10.”

      Nope, it’s not dozens. Otherwise you would have posted them here. Which you didn’t. A moot point considering outside of IRB and HDMI all the other “features” are software related and can/will most likely be added to the PS4 in the future. Since it’s the more power and more capable system. :^) Even further a moot point considering it doesn’t matter to the general public. They are purchasing PS4’s regardless of these “features.” Over 20 million PS4’s sold-through to consumers and growing. While XboxOne is being destroyed world-wide and in their home country. Your points = moot.

      “Yes, it is. Fallacy 11. Here is a list of just some of the games blocked”

      14 out of 100’s of games is small potatoes. Considering Activision has already gone on record stating they didn’t have access in time to implement the feature. Shadows of Mordor was added after it was blocked when 2.01 firmware released. It’s a system level feature and can be implemented easily. Which you got that list of a total of 14 games from sources online. This article corroborates just this.

      http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-14-ps4-games-that-block-share-play/1100-642
      3441/

      “I don’t even have to disprove that one becuase you just did it for me in the very next sentence. Fallacy 12.”

      Which as I mentioned already have PS Vita releases that have cross-buy options. Or some games like Velocity 2x that let you remote-play and own the Vita versions.

      “Also, the Vita remote play experience is awful because of lag and because the Vita has fewer buttons (no clickable thumbsticks and only one set of shoulder buttons).”

      The only lag experienced is over slow connections or when the PS4 isn’t connected over Ethernet. The Vita has a touchscreen (L3 and R3) and a touchpad (L2 and R2) for the buttons it lacks. :^)

      “Logic does not follow precedent. Just because something exists in a TOS does not mean it occurs in the real world. Logic 101. Fallacy 13.”

      Your point? Why would they put it in the T.O.S. then? They plan on using it. They didn’t file a patent to use the heart-rate reading tech in their for giggles. They didn’t have in the same patent to charge for individual people watching a movie, up to 6 as you mentioned before. :^) Not a fallacy. Doesn’t mean that they won’t use it either. You have to be naïve to believe that they won’t.

      “My previous points still stand: 1. Kinect has always been optional, 2. one can always opt out of targeted ads. Your points = moot.”

      It wasn’t optional before release. It was suppose to be always connected an always connected to the internet. Before they saw pre-order numbers and panicked. Then they reversed it. My points, still stand.

      “You just underminded yourself again in the subsequent sentence, claiming it’s fact and then immediately demonstrating it’s an opinion. Fallacy 15.”

      If you can name cases where a single person, without a lawyer won cases against a corporation. Then you can call it a fallacy. Until then, it’s fact.

      “Again, you just made the same error in reasoning, arguing that your hypothetical is a fact and then, in the next sentence, using a hypothetical to support that error. Fallacy 16.”

      You’re arguing the same about cinemablend posting “lies” when I posted articles that spoke nothing but fact. If you can do it, I will too. Not a fallacy.

      “Because they signed a contract to run a marketing campaign for Xbox One. It’s pretty simple really.”

      Which makes it exactly as it was stated. Paying Machinima to pay their Youtube reviewers for positive reviews on games. :^) Simple really.

      “That’s not an unrelated, hypothetical example. It’s called a counterfactual and it’s used to prove that your original statement is a fallacy, which it is. Fallacy 17.”

      Which makes my statement a counterfactual as well. Microsoft lied before and they will again. Which I pointed out. Not a fallacy. :^)

      You ran from the majority of my points and completely ignored others you were owned in, but that’s ok. That means you concede those points. Which is fine with me :^)

      With that said, no one wants Kinect. Otherwise they would be outselling the PS4 worldwide. They apparently don’t want the XboxOne either, they would be outselling the PS4 if so. Which they are not. Xbox360 had a year head start and STILL got caught up to and surpassed during the generation. The XboxOne is being trounced world wide even with a lower price point. :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Sony “Money-grabbing.”
      PS+ started with giving games with the subscription across PS3 and Vita. They didn’t start like Microsoft locking ALL functionality behind their paywall including the web-browser and Netflix. Sony on the other hand locked ONLY multiplayer on SOME games on the PS4 behind the paywall. You can still play all the free-to-play games without PS+. While on XboxOne, you STILL have to have XboxGold to play the free-to-play games. Microsoft is money-grubbing. While going the cheap route with their XboxOne creating a underpowered P.O.S.
      Smartglass:
      But you have to buy a extra peripheral to use it no? Isn’t that your whole point? A smartphone does NOT do more than the Vita. It doesn’t have the button interface to even compete with the Vita. Zero lag? Really? That’s literally IMPOSSIBLE with today’s internet infrastructure. Try again. The PS Vita remote-play works extremely well. I suggest you look up videos on youtube. Here’s one, from over 4,500 miles away. Which they poster comments below saying he said “Jump” then pressed the button, creating the illusion of more lag. This is a INCREDIBLE feat and you can downplay all you want. It’s more amazing than anything Microsoft will accomplish with Smartglass.
      Software features:
      For the umpteenth time, the point is it’s a SOFTWARE feature. My t.v. has had “Snap” longer than XboxOne. My t.v. is not as powerful as the PS4. Which has 8GB’s of GDDR5, a GPU with higher ROPS and a dedicated 2GB’s of DDR3 ram for media. It is very well capable of running the Picture AND Picture mode, which Microsoft copied and called “Snap.” :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Hardware and ownage:
      HAHAHAH yeaaaaaa, NO. Just because you can flip channels on outdated cable means absolutely nothing. The whole world doesn’t care and they never will. People are moving away from set-top boxes and moving to Netflix and Hulu. People have controllers for their t.v.’s and can turn the volume up just fine with a simple button press. If they were so completely woo’d by the Kinect and it’s abilities, they would have pre-ordered en masse and the original policies would still be in effect. They didn’t and Microsoft panicked. Panicked even more so when the PS4 STILL crushes it worldwide and in their home territory. Even though the XboxOne is cheaper than the PS4 and comes with more games. Game, set, match, done. Over 20 million PS4’s sold-through to consumers says HELLO!! :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Further ownage:
      Not being daft, those are your words. That’s what you told me. I proved you wrong. At E3, there were no Kinect cameras. It was a lie. You could control the system with the controller. I could use the XboxOne in every fashion I needed to. See, E3 has loud music and people everywhere. It was easy to use the console with just the controller, hence, no Kinects at E3. :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      And more:
      Again, that’s not the point. It’s the fact that they attempted to destroy our right to the First Sale Doctrine, have Kinect always connected and listening and have the console always online. I bet you call Eric Snowden a conspiracy theorist as well huh? You are a idiot….Logic 101 buddy, use it.
      Even MORE:
      Ahh the rootkit scandal. Yes, I remember that. That’s a small footnote compared to what Microsoft has done over the past 30 years. A VERY SMALL footnote. Matter of fact here goes. Sony: Rootkit scandal, OtherOs removal (rightfully so after the Hyper-visor was released, enabling easy piracy with Linux), 2011 PSN hack (Which was a result of previous Hyper-visor being released) not Sony’s fault, it took over 5 years for them to be hacked. Sony’s lifetime track record. Microsoft: PRISM, attempting to put a always online always internet connected camera in Xbox owners home, #dealwithit (Which they condoned Adam Orth’s remarks for months, until they saw pre-order numbers and started firing people) attempt at destroying our rights to the First Sale Doctrine, paying Youtube personalities for positive reviews on games, paying off sites for positive reviews on games, money-hatting 3rd party exclusives because they lack the talent to create their own, outright buying established franchises like Minecraft, because they lack the ability to create their own. Placing advertisements on a pay-for service and charging you to do so. I could really keep going. That’s all in the last 2 years. We could go back further, but the point is made. :^) Logic 101.
      Wow, more:
      “Again, see the very first point above. You’ve already refuted this for me.”
      Again, you missed the point entirely. They say the PS4 outsold XboxOne due to lower price point. The XboxOne has been sold at $350 with multiple games for 6 months and BARELY beat Sony in U.S. ALONE 2 months out of the year and that was due to a Sony PS4 shortage. Sony completely dominates worldwide, again with over 20 million sold-through to consumers even while being the more expensive choice. The public has spoken and it’s nothing but good for Sony. Sucks to be you, because you are going to be on ALOT of websites trying to damage control for Microsoft for YEARS to come. With no effect on anyone. :^) Pick a different hobby, cause this one is not for you. This isn’t 360 vs PS3 anymore. 9100 comments on your profile, you are one F*CK of a loser. Have fun!!!! :^) Logic 101.
      Seriously, stop trying. You are done. It’s over. You lose. #getoverit :^) 😀 🙂 😉 😛

    • “Fail rate and replacement consoles do not equal install base. Which Microsoft counts.”

      That wasn’t what we were talking about. This is known as a digression. You do it all the time. That’s why these exchanges are so bloated. Now I’m not going to let you do it anymore. So, I’ll repeat what I wrote until you acknowledge it. You claimed used active Xbox Live accounts as a proxy for console install base. You cannot do that. That’s dishonest. Acknowledge it and we’ll move on to your next fallacy, continuing to tear them down one by one.

    • Josh101

      Yes, that’s exactly what we are talking about. You can’t claim a install base with multiple purchases from single owners. Especially when Microsoft counts replacements as a brand new sale. I repeated what I wrote but you still won’t acknowledge it. You can scan through all of these articles to have an idea of how bad the failure rate was for the Xbox360.

      http://www.bing.com/search?q=failure+rate+of+Xbox360&form=IE11TR&src=IE11TR&pc=CMDTDFJS&adlt=strict

    • “Yes, that’s exactly what we are talking about”
      No, we’re not. We’re talking about how you fabricated data, using an methodologically unsound technique. Until you acknowledge that, we will not be progressing to the other 17 fallacies I pointed out. You’re worse than a benighted politician, ignoring every instance where you’re caught in a blatant canard, trying to use digressions to distract the audience. That won’t fly with me any more. One point at a time. The current topic is you used Xbox Live accounts as a proxy for an install base. That cannot be done. You want to move on to the other 17 fallacies, close this topic first.

    • Josh101

      I suggest you refer to the post above, which you simply gleaned past. I didn’t digress. I will not “close this topic” first, because I am not wrong. You simply don’t want to accept truth. Which what I posted is exactly what happened.

      “Fail rate and replacement consoles do not equal install base. Which Microsoft counts.” Which the original boast of around 50 million actual Xbox360 owners is factual.

    • Oh don’t you worry, bud, we’ll tear down all your fallacies one by one, but we won’t progress to the next one till we close this current discussion. So, let me reiterate:
      Your fallacy: you used Xbox Live accounts as a proxy for the Xbox 360 installation base.
      Reality: this is not a viable research method.
      Once you acknowledge that, we’ll proceed to ripping apart the rest of your canards, one by one. I, for one, cannot wait.

    • Josh101

      Yes it is a viable research method. Considering ALL one has to do is look online at that many complaints of replacements due to RROD. The many articles in which have many surveys on just this. You didn’t rip apart any of my “canards.” Hence, why you chose to focus on one and we will go back and forth. You can say it’s not viable when in fact it is. Stop wasting my time. I don’t have the patience to argue with someone who hides behinds Microsofts incompetence in making systems. Xbox360 for instance, which suffered horrible failure rates. They count replacements under warranty as brand new sales. One only has to look online to see that millions upon millions of people did just this. To the point where Microsoft had to extend the warranty because the failure rate was abysmal.

    • “Yes it is a viable research method”
      No, it’s not. Not only do you not have any data on the actual number of active Xbox Live accounts, but, even if you did, which you don’t, that would not be equal to the install base since you don’t need an Xbox Live account to own an Xbox 360 nor do you need to own an Xbox 360 to have an Xbox Live account. You seriously need to sign up for a basic research methodology course at your local community college if you think that is true. I don’t have time to waste arguing with someone who doesn’t even understand such basic stuff. It’s embarassing to you.
      Acknowledge this and I’ll move on to shredding your next fallacy.

    • Josh101

      “They count replacements under warranty as brand new sales.”
      This one statement makes my boast true. If you can’t do the research and look at the myriad of complaints and articles on the fail-rate of Xbox360. That’s your problem. Not mine.

    • Another digression. You’re trying to change the topic. I won’t let you until we close this one. Let’s try again. You claimed that Xbox Live accounts equal the installation base of Xbox 360. That is a lie. First, you don’t need an Xbox Live account to own an Xbox 360. Second, you don’t need an Xbox 360 to have an Xbox Live account. Ergo, you’re statement is completely false. Those are facts, Jack. Acknowledge that and then I’ll move on to ripping apart your other fallacies.

    • Josh101

      Nope, still apart of the original argument on this point. There are not 83 million individual Xbox360 owners. PERIOD. A rather large percentage of Xbox360 owners had to replace their console due to RROD, artificially inflating the install base. Microsoft counts those replacements as brand new sales. Those are facts, Jack. Acknowledge that and accept the fact that you are wrong. Which you didn’t get from my original statement. YOU forced my hand to try and explain. You are wrong.

    • And you’re back to digressing. No topic changes. We’ll get to other issues as soon as we get through the bucket of lies you stated first. Let’s try again. You claimed that Xbox Live accounts equal the installation base of Xbox 360. That is a lie. First, you don’t need an Xbox Live account to own an Xbox 360. Second, you don’t need an Xbox 360 to have an Xbox Live account. Ergo, you’re statement is completely false. Those are facts, Jack. Acknowledge that and then I’ll move on to ripping apart your other fallacies one by one.

    • Josh101

      You’ve got to be kidding me. Are you serious? XboxLive accounts do equal the install base of 360. There are plenty of sources online that speak on the fail-rate of Xbox360 that can corroborate this claim. One only has to look at the failure rate and the fact that Microsoft counts replacement consoles as a brand new sale. F*ck off with your BS. I stand by my statement.

    • “XboxLive accounts do equal the install base of 360. There are plenty of sources online that speak on the fail-rate of Xbox360 that can corroborate this claim”.

      No, they absolutely do not, for these very real two reasons that I’ve already provided to you on multiple occassions: 1. you do not need an Xbox Live account to own an Xbox 360 and 2. you do not need to own an Xbox 360 to have an Xbox Live account. Ergo, there is no relationship between Xbox Live accounts and the Xbox 360 install base. None. At all.

      Furthermore, that claim has absolutely nothing to do with the failure rate of Xbox 360, so your claim that that somehow “corroborate[s] this claim” is equally as incorrect as the original claim and simply more evidence that you’re only tactic is digression or, you’re simply too obtuse to have academic debates.

      Regardless, once you acknowledge these facts (points 1 and 2 above), I will progress to tearing down your other lies, as you so eagerly seem to desire. If you don’t acknowledge them, there is no point in further progressing as I have no desire to debate with someone who ignores facts and cannot understand logic.

    • Josh101

      You can not say Xbox360 has a install base of 83 million. That is a lie. When Microsoft counts replacement Xbox360’s as a brand new sale, this is false. You and Microsoft are using lies to fabricate numbers.

    • This is a digression. The current topic is your claim that Xbox Live accounts equals Xbox 360’s install base. Once you acknowledge that fallacy then we can progress onward to your other fallacies. Until then, all of your digressions will be ignored. If you want to talk about other things, close the topic at hand and I’ll gladly talk about other things. I believe we still have 17 more fallacies of yours to plow through, and I for one am really looking forward to it.

    • Josh101

      A digression would be making a point that did not have anything to do with the topic at hand. That has everything to do with the topic at hand. A point of reference of active owners would be how many XboxLive accounts there are. Which I mentioned FIRST. It is not a digression and stop using that word wrong.

    • “A digression would be making a point that did not have anything to do with the topic at hand”.

      Exactly!

      “That has everything to do with the topic at hand”

      D’oh. SMH. You’re so obtuse…

      “A point of reference of active owners would be how many XboxLive accounts there are”.

      For the fifth time now, this is incorrect. The number of Xbox Live accounts has NOTHING to do with the Xbox 360 install base for two reasons: 1. It is not a requirement to have an Xbox Live account to buy an Xbox 360, and 2. It is not a requirement to have an Xbox 360 to have an Xbox Live account. Ergo, your comment does “not have anything to do with the topic at hand”. Seriously, buddy, we’re at a point now where I am now begging you to go ask your parents to help you understand what’s happening here. I cannot explain it any clearer for you.

    • Josh101

      The topic at hand is the install base. Ok sir, how do you know the EXACT install base of the Xbox360 is 83 million? I’m not the one being obtuse, it is you. It’s not my fault and everyone else in this world’s fault that Microsoft does not release these exact numbers so people like you and I spend hours in a pointless argument. The GD point is that the active install base is NOT 83 million when Microsoft counts replacements as a brand new sale. Point, blank, period.

    • Geezus, you’re obtuse. First of all, show me definitive proof that “Microsoft counts replacements as a brand new sale.” Definitive proof. Provide it. Otherwise, stop tossing out your unsubstantiated assumptions.

      Second of all, and more importantly, no one outside of Microsoft knows the exact install base of the Xbox 360. Not you. Not me. Not anyone. Got it? Great. Move on.

      Back to the issue at hand: you claimed something that you don’t actually know (the Xbox 360 install base) using methods that are incorrect. You have yet to admit to this. Do so and then we’ll address your other 17 fallacies.

    • Josh101

      “Your fallacy: you used Xbox Live accounts as a proxy for the Xbox 360 installation base.
      Reality: this is not a viable research method”
      Your fallacy: Assuming 83 million consoles = Microsofts Xbox360 install base. When in fact it doesn’t. Microsoft counts replacement consoles under warranty as a sale. Which does not constitute actual install base. One can look online and see that millions of consoles were replaced under warranty. Multiple consoles were purchased for house-holds. Millions of consoles were sold through black Friday deals which were Kinect bundles. For $150 per console. Standalone Kinects sit in Gamestop for sale all across the country. It’s apparent that millions of people didn’t want them.

    • Josh101

      Matter of fact, from start to finish: I said a 50 million install base, you said “nuh uh,” I then replied with the active accounts and the fact that the fail rate and replacement consoles are counted as new purchases from Microsoft. I didn’t digress. You questioned the legitimacy of my boast and it is well documented online and in real life. Ask any Xbox360 owner and they will tell you they had to replace a console under warranty or purchase a new one. Unless they purchased the newest slim as a first time buyer, the fail-rate is much less on those. You coerced me to go slightly off topic and prove my boast. That was your fault, not mine. So don’t go pretending that I moved goal posts without motivation to show proof. You are a professional damage control worker, you know exactly what you are doing. Anyone who reads this entire exchange will agree with me.

    • Josh101

      “Active Xbox Live accounts does not equal Xbox install base. Fallacy 1.”

      Fail rate and replacement consoles do not equal install base. Which Microsoft counts.

      “No, you don’t. You can play as a guest, entirely offline. Fallacy 2.”

      Fallacy. Nope, you have to create a account. It comes right after you pick your language.

      “You have no data on the failure rate and the number of consoles this resulted in being purchased anew because they were out of warranty, as opposed to those being replaced while on warranty, or purchased used, or refurbished. That is, you know nothing about this but your claim you do. Fallacy 3.”

      Anyone with a brain can look online to see the failure rate is abysmal according to MILLIONS of complaints and dozens of published stories from respected websites. Not a fallacy.

      “You don’t, and I didn’t. You posted fabricated numbers. I have interest in your unscientific guesses. Fallacy 4.”

      Anyone with a brain can look up the number of complaints and see that Microsoft is terrified of releasing actual failure rate numbers. It was the worst in consumer electronic history. Not a fallacy.

      “Yes, it is, because, in a globalized economy, sales are sales. Fallacy 6.”

      Nope, PR Marketing nonsense. Being successful in one country does not make you successful internationally. Period. Not a fallacy.

      “Argument automatically invalidated by bringing in an extra peripheral to compensate for the shortcomings of the actual peripheral of interest. Fallacy 7.”

      Nope, the peripheral was made for the PS Eye and the PS Eye only. Not a fallacy. It’s more accurate than Kinect, which was the point. Don’t get mad because you missed what I said and called me a liar. :^)

      “The PS4 cannot read CDs. Fallacy 8.”

      Yes it can. Just not this very moment because it hasn’t been told to do so with software. Not a fallacy.

      “So you’ve never heard of disabled people? You’re pretty naive then. Fallacy 9.”

      I like how you leave out the other part of my posts to make yourself seem right. “So, I do speak for the entire human race that I’ve been in contact with. :^)” So it is a fact. :^)

      “Nope, it used to be dozens. It’s since grown by dozens more, especially if you include apps, which Xbox One is also routing PS4 in. Fallacy 10.”

      Nope, it’s not dozens. Otherwise you would have posted them here. Which you didn’t. A moot point considering outside of IRB and HDMI all the other “features” are software related and can/will most likely be added to the PS4 in the future. Since it’s the more power and more capable system. :^) Even further a moot point considering it doesn’t matter to the general public. They are purchasing PS4’s regardless of these “features.” Over 20 million PS4’s sold-through to consumers and growing. While XboxOne is being destroyed world-wide and in their home country. Your points = moot.

      “Yes, it is. Fallacy 11. Here is a list of just some of the games blocked”

      14 out of 100’s of games is small potatoes. Considering Activision has already gone on record stating they didn’t have access in time to implement the feature. Shadows of Mordor was added after it was blocked when 2.01 firmware released. It’s a system level feature and can be implemented easily. Which you got that list of a total of 14 games from sources online. This article corroborates just this.

      http://www.gamespot.com/articl
      3441/

      “I don’t even have to disprove that one becuase you just did it for me in the very next sentence. Fallacy 12.”

      Which as I mentioned already have PS Vita releases that have cross-buy options. Or some games like Velocity 2x that let you remote-play and own the Vita versions.

      “Also, the Vita remote play experience is awful because of lag and because the Vita has fewer buttons (no clickable thumbsticks and only one set of shoulder buttons).”

      The only lag experienced is over slow connections or when the PS4 isn’t connected over Ethernet. The Vita has a touchscreen (L3 and R3) and a touchpad (L2 and R2) for the buttons it lacks. :^)

      “Logic does not follow precedent. Just because something exists in a TOS does not mean it occurs in the real world. Logic 101. Fallacy 13.”

      Your point? Why would they put it in the T.O.S. then? They plan on using it. They didn’t file a patent to use the heart-rate reading tech in their for giggles. They didn’t have in the same patent to charge for individual people watching a movie, up to 6 as you mentioned before. :^) Not a fallacy. Doesn’t mean that they won’t use it either. You have to be naïve to believe that they won’t.

      “My previous points still stand: 1. Kinect has always been optional, 2. one can always opt out of targeted ads. Your points = moot.”

      It wasn’t optional before release. It was suppose to be always connected an always connected to the internet. Before they saw pre-order numbers and panicked. Then they reversed it. My points, still stand.

      “You just underminded yourself again in the subsequent sentence, claiming it’s fact and then immediately demonstrating it’s an opinion. Fallacy 15.”

      If you can name cases where a single person, without a lawyer won cases against a corporation. Then you can call it a fallacy. Until then, it’s fact.

      “Again, you just made the same error in reasoning, arguing that your hypothetical is a fact and then, in the next sentence, using a hypothetical to support that error. Fallacy 16.”

      You’re arguing the same about cinemablend, I can do the same with Microsoft. They lied before about not using Kinect to target ad’s. They did again with Machinima and paying youtube reviewers for positive reviews.

      “Because they signed a contract to run a marketing campaign for Xbox One. It’s pretty simple really.”

      Yup, they paid Machinima who are paying their Youtube reviewers for positive reviews on XboxOne games. Meaning Machinima had incentive to have positive reviews. So Microsoft paid for positive reviews. :^) Simple really.

      “That’s not an unrelated, hypothetical example. It’s called a counterfactual and it’s used to prove that your original statement is a fallacy, which it is. Fallacy 17.”

      Which my statement was counterfactual as well. Which Microsoft lied and said they would never use Kinect to spy on people. They lied again saying they didn’t pay for positive reviews on XboxOne games. They did. :^)
      You will never win.

      With that said, no one wants Kinect. Otherwise they would be outselling the PS4 worldwide. They apparently don’t want the XboxOne either, they would be outselling the PS4 if so. Which they are not. Xbox360 had a year head start and STILL got caught up to and surpassed during the generation. The XboxOne is being trounced world wide even with a lower price point. :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Sony “Money-grabbing.”
      PS+ started with giving games with the subscription across PS3 and Vita. They didn’t start like Microsoft locking ALL functionality behind their paywall including the web-browser and Netflix. Sony on the other hand locked ONLY multiplayer on SOME games on the PS4 behind the paywall. You can still play all the free-to-play games without PS+. While on XboxOne, you STILL have to have XboxGold to play the free-to-play games. Microsoft is money-grubbing. While going the cheap route with their XboxOne creating a underpowered P.O.S.
      Smartglass:
      But you have to buy a extra peripheral to use it no? Isn’t that your whole point? A smartphone does NOT do more than the Vita. It doesn’t have the button interface to even compete with the Vita. Zero lag? Really? That’s literally IMPOSSIBLE with today’s internet infrastructure. Try again. The PS Vita remote-play works extremely well. I suggest you look up videos on youtube. Here’s one, from over 4,500 miles away. Which they poster comments below saying he said “Jump” then pressed the button, creating the illusion of more lag. This is a INCREDIBLE feat and you can downplay all you want. It’s more amazing than anything Microsoft will accomplish with Smartglass.
      Software features:
      For the umpteenth time, the point is it’s a SOFTWARE feature. My t.v. has had “Snap” longer than XboxOne. My t.v. is not as powerful as the PS4. Which has 8GB’s of GDDR5, a GPU with higher ROPS and a dedicated 2GB’s of DDR3 ram for media. It is very well capable of running the Picture AND Picture mode, which Microsoft copied and called “Snap.” :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Hardware and ownage:
      HAHAHAH yeaaaaaa, NO. Just because you can flip channels on outdated cable means absolutely nothing. The whole world doesn’t care and they never will. People are moving away from set-top boxes and moving to Netflix and Hulu. People have controllers for their t.v.’s and can turn the volume up just fine with a simple button press. If they were so completely woo’d by the Kinect and it’s abilities, they would have pre-ordered en masse and the original policies would still be in effect. They didn’t and Microsoft panicked. Panicked even more so when the PS4 STILL crushes it worldwide and in their home territory. Even though the XboxOne is cheaper than the PS4 and comes with more games. Game, set, match, done. Over 20 million PS4’s sold-through to consumers says HELLO!! :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      Further ownage:
      Not being daft, those are your words. That’s what you told me. I proved you wrong. At E3, there were no Kinect cameras. It was a lie. You could control the system with the controller. I could use the XboxOne in every fashion I needed to. See, E3 has loud music and people everywhere. It was easy to use the console with just the controller, hence, no Kinects at E3. :^) Logic 101 buddy.
      And more:
      Again, that’s not the point. It’s the fact that they attempted to destroy our right to the First Sale Doctrine, have Kinect always connected and listening and have the console always online. I bet you call Eric Snowden a conspiracy theorist as well huh? You are a idiot….Logic 101 buddy, use it.
      Even MORE:
      Ahh the rootkit scandal. Yes, I remember that. That’s a small footnote compared to what Microsoft has done over the past 30 years. A VERY SMALL footnote. Matter of fact here goes. Sony: Rootkit scandal, OtherOs removal (rightfully so after the Hyper-visor was released, enabling easy piracy with Linux), 2011 PSN hack (Which was a result of previous Hyper-visor being released) not Sony’s fault, it took over 5 years for them to be hacked. Sony’s lifetime track record. Microsoft: PRISM, attempting to put a always online always internet connected camera in Xbox owners home, #dealwithit (Which they condoned Adam Orth’s remarks for months, until they saw pre-order numbers and started firing people) attempt at destroying our rights to the First Sale Doctrine, paying Youtube personalities for positive reviews on games, paying off sites for positive reviews on games, money-hatting 3rd party exclusives because they lack the talent to create their own, outright buying established franchises like Minecraft, because they lack the ability to create their own. Placing advertisements on a pay-for service and charging you to do so. I could really keep going. That’s all in the last 2 years. We could go back further, but the point is made. :^) Logic 101.
      Wow, more:
      “Again, see the very first point above. You’ve already refuted this for me.”
      Again, you missed the point entirely. They say the PS4 outsold XboxOne due to lower price point. The XboxOne has been sold at $350 with multiple games for 6 months and BARELY beat Sony in U.S. ALONE 2 months out of the year and that was due to a Sony PS4 shortage. Sony completely dominates worldwide, again with over 20 million sold-through to consumers even while being the more expensive choice. The public has spoken and it’s nothing but good for Sony. Sucks to be you, because you are going to be on ALOT of websites trying to damage control for Microsoft for YEARS to come. With no effect on anyone. :^) Pick a different hobby, cause this one is not for you. This isn’t 360 vs PS3 anymore. 9100 comments on your profile, you are one F*CK of a loser. Have fun!!!! :^) Logic 101.
      Seriously, stop trying. You are done. It’s over. You lose. #getoverit :^) 😀 🙂 😉 😛

    • renegadesix

      “This admission completely undermines your previous comment, in which you implied that the Kinect wasn’t great because it wasn’t successful, when, in fact, it’s both.”

      By what do you measure “successful”? The Kinect 1.0’s utter failure as a useful peripheral was cited by myself and most other gamers as a reason why they were dissatisfied with the decision to make Kinect 2.0 mandatory on the Xbone. I know, I was there on the Xbox forums.

      If you want to use sales, that doesn’t tell the whole story. Many people, myself included, jumped on board the Kinect hype train. Microshaft sold a bunch of Kinect 1s based on the FALSE promises that it was going to revolutionize gaming and there were going to be tons of games that would make use of it. At the end of the 360 generation, there were only a relative handful of mandatory Kinect titles (a great number of which were silly movie and/or kiddie games) and another handful that made use of the device as a half-baked novelty. Not one Kinect mandatory game ever got a 90 or above on Metacritic, and only THREE (with two being Dance Central) scored 80 or higher.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kinect_games_for_Xbox_360

      So unless the only thing you cared about in gaming was a dancing simulator, there was NEVER a killer app for Kinect 1.0. It revolutionized nothing. It delivered nothing. For me personally it gathered dust on top of my TV until I put it in the ottoman where I store gaming stuff I no longer use. Its death knell came when I gathered the family into the den to watch me Fus Ro DAH some denizens of Skyrim across the map, only to have NOTHING happen when I spoke the words.

      And surprise, surprise — the same thing happened with Kinect 2.0. In short, it sucks.

    • “By what do you measure ‘successful’?”

      There are many ways to measure it. One way is sales. Another is awards. Another is recognition by peers and experts. Another is influence in other sectors. Kinect was successful on all accounts. It sold well, it won awards, it was praised by industry elites, and it has had countless spillover effects into other sectors. Success.

      “Kinect 1s based on the FALSE promises that it was going to revolutionize gaming”
      It did revolutionize gaming, becoming the preeminent peripheral for motion-controlled gaming, creating entirely new genres of games and reinventing how we played other genres.

      “Not one Kinect mandatory game ever got a 90 or above on Metacritic, and only THREE (with two being Dance Central) scored 80 or higher.”
      First of all, Metacritic is statistically meaningless. Second of all, despite that, it’s not fair to omit Kinect supported titles just because they weren’t “Kinect mandatory” (e.g. Child of Eden). Third, Kinect is nascent technology–merely a few years old, which is nothing. It takes time for developers to master a new technology, especially one as complex as Kinect.

      “unless the only thing you cared about in gaming was a dancing simulator there was NEVER a killer app for Kinect 1.0. It revolutionized nothing. It delivered nothing”.
      First of all, why mock dancing games? Many people greatly enjoy them, and Kinect does them best. Second of all, what is or is not a “killer app” is totally subjective. For one person, Dance Central is a killer app. For another, Child of Eden is. For another person, neither is. Third of all, Kinect 1 paved the way for the even better Kinect 2, which itself has many “killer apps”, such as Fantasia or D4, depending on your genre of choice. There are many great Kinect 2 games: Fantasia, Dance Central Spotlight, Just Dance, Xbox Fitness, D4, Fruit Ninja Kinect 2, Kinect Sports Rivals, Blue Estate, Shape Up, etc.

    • renegadesix

      “It did revolutionize gaming, becoming the preeminent peripheral for motion-controlled gaming, creating entirely new genres of games and reinventing how we played other genres.”

      It did nothing of the kind. If it had, the Xbone would have killed the PS4 because gamers would have been clamoring for this “preeminent peripheral.” They did not. In fact, the exact opposite happened and now Microshaft is selling Xbones without it. Some revolution — it forgot to bring the people with it.

      “First of all, Metacritic is statistically meaningless.”

      Only when you don’t like the result. Odd that you would say this right after writing “Another is recognition by peers and experts.” The experts didn’t like its games.

      “Second of all, despite that, it’s not fair to omit Kinect supported titles just because they weren’t “Kinect mandatory” (e.g. Child of Eden). ”

      Yes it is because those games got their scores on the merits of the games — not because they had Kinect novelty features.

      “Third, Kinect is nascent technology”

      That’s a lame excuse. They’ve had two generations to get it right. They even made it mandatory for six months following launch on the Xbone. And despite making it mandatory, Microshaft couldn’t even produce a killer Kinect app for the Xbone’s launch — focusing instead on its use as a gimmicky remote control.

      “First of all, why mock dancing games?”

      First of all, where did I mock dancing games?

      “Many people greatly enjoy them, and Kinect does them best.”

      Which is precisely why I said “unless the only thing you cared about in gaming was a dancing simulator…” Personally, I couldn’t care less for them, but I understand that there are those who do. However, since you want to talk sales, the Dance Central games’ sales pale in comparison to CoD and other titles of the same generation. Despite its novelty, Dance Central only sold 3.11 million units (a pathetic attach rate given the number of 360s in the wild). So, clearly, it couldn’t be labeled a “killer app.”

      “Second of all, what is or is not a “killer app” is totally subjective.”

      I disagree. A killer app can indeed be objectively measured by one thing in particular — SALES. A “killer app” is one that “you gotta have,” and sales effectively measure that notion. 3.11 million does not a killer app make (by comparison, MW2 sold over 13 million units on the 360 alone).

      “Third of all, Kinect 1 paved the way for the even better Kinect 2, which itself has many “killer apps”, such as Fantasia or D4, depending on your genre of choice.”

      Both of which have sold even less copies than Dance Central. Fantasia in particular sold a PATHETIC 100,000 copies COMBINED on Xbone and 360. None of the other games you mentioned have come close to hitting Dance Central’s sales figures, let alone the figures that could remotely be considered “killer app” status.

    • “It did nothing of the kind. If it had, the Xbone would have killed the PS4 because gamers would have been clamoring for [it].”

      This is a fallacy.

      “Only when you don’t like the result.”

      No, it’s statistically meaningless regardless of what I like or not. Take a methodology class. It’s not debatable.

      “Odd that you would say this right after writing ‘Another is recognition by peers and experts'”.

      That’s not odd at all. What I wrote there has nothing to do with Metacritic.

      “Yes it is because those games got their scores on the merits of the games–not because they had Kinect novelty features.”

      This is an assumption, with no basis in fact, and is therefore irrelevant.

      “the only ‘fair’ way of knowing a Kinect app is a ‘killer app’ is to look at the games that cannot be played without Kinect”

      This is a fallacy. That is not a “fair” methodological decision. In fact, it is a dishonest methodological decision that automatically precludes the generalizability of the results.

      “That’s a lame excuse. They’ve had two generations to get it right.”

      It’s not a ‘lame excuse’ at all for anyone who understands technological development, risk management, and programming. Your latter claim is misleading. They didn’t have “two generations”. It’s been approximately 4.5 years since Kinect 1’s SDK launched. That’s not a long time.

      “since you want to talk sales, the Dance Central games’ sales pale in comparison to CoD and other titles of the same generation”

      Of course they do: one of them is in the most popular genre in gaming history, the other is in a niche and nascent genre. Apples and oranges.

      “A ‘killer app’…sales effectively measure that notion. 3.11 million does not a killer app make (by comparison, MW2 sold over 13 million units on the 360 alone).”

      Your thresholds are arbitrary and undermine your own claim. Thirteen million sold for a console base of 83 million is an attachment rate of 15.7%. In contrast. 3.11 million sold for a Kinect user base of 24 million is 13.0%. You’re telling me that that extra 2.7% makes MW2 a “killer app” but Dance Central not one? And you’re claiming that your cutoff points aren’t completely arbitrary?

      “Both of which have sold even less copies than Dance Central.”
      We don’t actually have accurate sales data, given the shift to digital purchases. Regardless, sales alone are not the sole measurement of quality–not even close. Your premise that Fantasia or D4 aren’t great Kinect games simply because they didn’t sell an arbitrary amount of units pre-selected by you has no basis in reality.

      “Kinect Sports Rivals, for example, has a 60 metacritc score”
      Again, Metacritic is statistically meaningless. You’re seriously undermining your credibility by continuing to mistakenly cite it as evidence of anything.

      “Figures don’t lie”
      Indeed, but how they’re intepreted is a different story.

    • renegadesix

      An extremely long post in which you actually said…NOTHING.

    • If by “nothing” you mean I called out all of your fallacies, then yes, that’s exactly what I did. You made a bunch of incorrect claims. I demonstrated why they’re incorrect.

    • renegadesix

      You didn’t “demonstrate” anything. You said, “you’re wrong” a bunch of different ways without any substantiation.

    • renegadesix

      This is the only thing you wrote where you said anything more than “you were wrong”

      “Your thresholds are arbitrary and undermine your own claim. Thirteen million sold for a console base of 83 million is an attachment rate of 15.7%. In contrast. 3.11 million sold for a Kinect user base of 24 million is 13.0%. ”

      And now I’m going to destroy you. There weren’t 83 million 360s when MW2 was released. MW2 was released in 2009. At that time there were approximately 30 million 360s in the wild. That’s an attach rate of nearly 50%.

      You lose again.

    • Nor were there 24 million units of Kinect sold at the time Dance Central was released. You’re merely undermining your own fallacies here.

    • renegadesix

      Actually, by the time of Dance Central 2, they were pretty much all sold.

    • renegadesix

      “Circumstantial evidence. Anyone with a brain can see how poorly the Xbox One OS functioned without the Kinect at launch,”

      LOL, the Xbone performed poorly at launch PERIOD when compared to the PS4. And part of the reason was Kinect, but not because of what you are claiming. It was because the Kinect was still hogging up system resources that were not freed up until June of last year.

    • You have no clue what you’re talking about. Your first point is a digression and has nothing to do with my previous point. Stay on topic. Your second point is completely false. The resources that were freed up later on do not take away any Kinect functionality at the system level. They only free up resources for in-game use for those games that don’t use Kinect. Kinect’s system-level resources remain untouched. Do your research next time.

    • renegadesix

      I didn’t say it took away Kinect functionality, did I. Nice dodge on the first point.

    • Yes, you did. You wrote, “It was because the Kinect was still hogging up system resources that were not freed up until June of last year.” What you wrote is a lie: nothing has changed regarding the allocation of system-level Kinect resources. They remain now as they were at launch.

    • renegadesix

      Wow, you can’t read, can you. Saying Kinect is hogging up system resources is not the same thing as saying “it took away Kinect functionality.”

      Have your mom help you with the big words.

    • Again, let me reiterate, since you cannot comprehend it: the same amount of resources are still allocated to Kinect at the system level as they were on Day One. Ergo, your comment is incorrect.

    • renegadesix

      My comment is correct. Your trying to make it say something I didn’t say is incorrect.

    • I believe you mean “you are”, as I certainly want nothing to do with your nonsensical statements.

      Re-state your comment. Be parsimonious. Let’s break down this inanity.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      The new PS4 update has manatory Facebook which is now allowing the NSA in your PS4 in accordance with the new EULA you sign

      Let us know how the trade in goes at Gamestop.

    • Josh101

      What is Facebook going to do? Track my gaming habits? That is a far cry from having a camera attached to every console that had to always be connected to the internet and always on. Completely different.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      The NSA is now inside your PS4 tracking what you say on the Mic and your media consumption. Be a good little shill and comply, loser :^)

    • Josh101

      Wow. You didn’t even read the article. That has nothing to do with Sony and piracy or having NSA track anything Playstation or Sony related. That is only for Google. The entire email is Google related and their attempt at curbing piracy. Nice try though!!!!!!

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      So Sony collaborating with the NSA and attending secret meetings has nothing to do with Sony? You are a pathetic waste of oxygen, shill.

    • renegadesix

      That is a total lie. You aren’t forced to get a facebook account.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Facebook intergration means NSA is now inside your PS4 even if you don’t have a facebook account. You should be scared but you are a shill

    • renegadesix

      Right, and you know this because…oh, that’s right, you don’t. They flipped a switch, dude. Deal with it.

    • Right, and you know this because…oh, that’s right, you don’t. And all the evidence says otherwise, you weird, naive, conspiracy theorist. Know reality.

    • renegadesix

      There is ZERO evidence that says otherwise and all the evidence says it was a switch flip. One day they said it was mandatory, the next day they said it wasn’t. I’ve got proof. You got nadda.

    • Wrong. Despite your ignorance, all evidence suggests otherwise, and I’ve already provided it above. You’ve got proof to the contrary? Provide it.

    • renegadesix

      You provided no evidence, just your supposition. I’ve got a press release. What you got?

    • Where’s that press release, bub? Don’t claim you have evidence and then not provide it.

    • renegadesix
    • Nothing in there supports your claim. Try again.

    • renegadesix

      That’s the day it was no longer required. It was required the day before that.

      BOOYAH!

      And it is still more than you provided.

    • What are you on about? We all already know that the Kinect used to be required and then wasn’t. That’s really what you’re arguing about? Geezus, I’m wasting my time with children. What’s your next point, that gravity exists?

    • renegadesix

      Go take your meds.

    • Yawn. Go take a writing class. Cliches are boring and lazy. Try harder.

    • renegadesix

      Pedantic bombast is more entertaining?

    • Significantly more so.

    • renegadesix

      Only to small self-important minds.

    • A comma is necessary between “small” and “self-important”, Mega Mind.

    • renegadesix

      That is a press release. It is DIRECTLY from an interview with the press. “Ask Microsoft”? You don’t understand that? Really?

    • Re-state, clearly, exactly what your argument is and then provide a concise, direct quotation from that interview that supports that claim. Don’t just link blindly and expect that to fly. You can’t turn in a bibliography for your dissertation and expect it pass. Step up your game.

    • renegadesix

      Read the article. You lose.

    • What a cop-out. As expected. Don’t trip on your on tail.

    • renegadesix

      I took you to the water, I can’t make you drink it.

    • That’s a cop-out. You can’t turn in a Bible for your Theology 101 final paper and expect a passing grade. If you make an argument, make it, and make it concise and clear. Don’t dance around and link me to a tome and then expect me to interpret your nonsensical arguments for you.

    • renegadesix

      Right, because that ONE webpage is the length of that tome known as the Bible. Hyperbole much?

    • Hyperbole is a useful tool. It doesn’t matter if it was the Bible or a haiku. Regardless, if you’re going to make an argument, make it: bring in your source, use a concise quote, interpret the quote, and connect it to your argument. I am not going to do your work for you. If you want to have a debate, have a debate. Don’t be lazy.

    • renegadesix

      I provided the proof and “you didn’t quote it enough for me” is the best defense you can come up with? Stick to the bombast — it might make the uneducated think you’re actually participating meaningfully in a debate you already lost.

    • You did not provide any proof. If you did, it should be very easy for you to copy and paste it here in a reply. Remember, a cogent argument requires 1. a premise, 2. evidence, 3. and interpretation.
      I’ll be waiting right here for your “proof”.

    • renegadesix

      The link is above. Your refusal to read it is your failure, not mine. The proof has been provided.

    • 1. Linking to a source and then demanding your interlocutor pore over it to try to piece together your argument is not how debating works.
      2. An announcement of something being mandatory and an announcement of something not being mandatory are not proof that a “flip was switched.” On the contrary, all of the circumstantial evidence following that revealed that it took great work by Microsoft to change the operating system to fulfill the promise of the latter.
      Logic 101, chump.

    • d0x360

      Switch? N o sorry sir. It required a recode on the SDK. They had to change quite a bit to unlock the extra 10% gpu time. It wasn’t a switch. They also recently unlocked a cpu core so the x1 now has more active cores than ps4 AND those cores are clocked higher. There is a reason most newer games run with an more stable frame rate and load faster on x1. Upcoming changes to esram api and tool sets will also fix the 1080p issue

      Both consoles are under powered junk but the xbox is a better overall system. It does more, its updated more and it still has more exclusive games and a better network.

      How long you Sony fanboys plan on riding that hype train before you wake up and realize Sony has squandered every ounce of good will they had.

    • renegadesix

      The 10% unlock was a RECENT development. The no mandatory kinect came before the console was even released.

      Microshaft has HAD to do those tweaks because the Xbone hardware was nowhere near as good as the PS4’s hardware. All of these things Microshaft is doing to TRY to get EVEN with the PS4 will be destroyed if/when Sony decides to do the same thing. For now, the PS4 STILL plays games better (despite your vague reference to most new games).

      Sony hasn’t squandered any good will with me. They still have the superior box Microshaft is trying to get back into my good graces, but they still have a very long way to go. I don’t forget people who try to screw me.

    • d0x360

      Oh god…lol ok. When you get even a single fact right we can talk but I can tell its going to be like 10 or so years so hopefully we meet again when you grow out of blind fanboy brand loyalty

    • renegadesix

      LOL, I don’t have a Sony product as part of my name, dude. My facts are 100% accurate.

      Note the date of this article (Kinect no longer has to be plugged in)

      http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/12/xbox-one-no-longer-requires-kinect-to-function

      With the date of this article (10% resources freed)

      http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/17/how-the-xbox-one-10-gpu-boost-without-kinect-works

      I win, you lose.

    • d0x360

      The kinect NEVER had to be plugged in. Pre launch info means NOTHING.sorry bud

    • renegadesix

      Way to move the target. Pre-launch info means everything, bud. It is the way it would have been had gamers not revolted.

    • d0x360

      Give it up.

    • renegadesix

      No. You’re wrong.

    • d0x360

      The revolt was due to people.being morons. Share library with friends. Awesome. Wanna trade a game? Go to your xbox menu and deactivate it. Done. No.internet? Put disc in drive? No internet on a digital game? It was tied to console aerial number. You people were and are idiots. It’s that simple.

    • renegadesix

      Wow, a whole post that is a giant non sequitur. Leaving aside that everything you said is a lie and/or stupidly wrong, what does it have to do with the Kinect being mandatory or not?

    • Ñosss!!!

      For you Troll. Go back to SonyMordor!!!
      https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/579369141326381056

    • DLConspiracy//

      You keep preaching that. I sure hope you are right. If you are wrong… You going to have to change your name to ImOnaDrugCalledCrow. I hope you are wrong BTW.

    • stillwaitingforgreatness

      Hahahahahaha. Wow

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      So PC Gaming wins everything again and Sony fanboys are stuck with “B-B-BUH MY REMASTERS”

      Ayyyyyy lmao

  • Mr Xrat

    Looking at that Twitter posts and the comments, Xbox fanboys are scared – and they should be. No games, DX12 at GDC was a bust for them. Won’t be long before the entire Xbox brand is flushed. I don’t think anyone will really miss it.

    • bardock5151

      Sounds to me that the only people scared, are fools like you.

    • Ricoh123

      No games?

      Have you seen the quality exclusives lined up on xb1?

      The ps4 on the other hand has nothing after bloodborne.

    • bardock5151

      Yeah they do, some very poorly localised Japanese games with the gameplay of a stump.

    • Ricoh123

      Totally agree, which is why I prefer to stay away from the ps4 for now until a more exciting line up emerges.

      Better off with xb1.

    • Mr Xrat

      “Quality.” Heh. There’s another Halo in the hands of 343i who have an appalling record and another Forza which keeps declining when it comes to critical reception every installment. Fable Legends is F2P and on PC. And you have to wait another six months for all of them.

      Meanwhile, PS4 still has more exclusives lined up for the rest of the year and it wouldn’t surprise me if SCE gets a higher Metacritic average again this year, like last.

      I kind of feel sorry for you.

    • Ricoh123

      You mean the same Forza H2 that is critically acclaimed as the best driving game to date.

      Gotcha 😉

      Love how you list some excellent MS exclusives but fail to mention a single Sony one.

      Deleeerrrioouussss !

    • Mr Xrat

      That would be Mario Kart 8, chum.

      Clearly Ricoh has difficulty reading which would be unsurprising considering his record as an Xbox fanboy.

      Delicious!

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      GimpLover scurrying like a roach to fakeboy Nintendo as usual. What a loser you are defending such garbage and your APU turdstation. At least the Wii U has games.

      PC + Wii U the only acceptable Manticore platform this generation, moron :^)

    • Josh101

      Heh. WOW. The PS4 ecosystem with PS+ across 3 systems that gave over $1300 games in the past year, Crossbuy, Crossplay, PS Vita remote play, soon to be Morpheus VR trumps your PC and WiiU. Try again..

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      You mean the 720P VR headset for hardware that can barely old 30FPS? Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. :^)

    • Josh101

      No, I mean the VR with a 1440P OLED screen at 120FPS.

      http:// gamerant . com /project-morpheus-early-2016-120-fps/

      http:// ps4daily . com /2014/07/project-morpheus-1440p-oled-screen/

      Can you not at least look this stuff up? It’s pathetic that you cannot check this stuff out.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Project Morpheus has a single 1080P screen which is 960×1080 per eye. A pixel density the same as 720P

      http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/18/sonys-project-morpheus-vr-headset-is-1080p-more-technical-deta/

      Sorry for your 720P headset, loser :^)

    • Josh101

      That was an article from March of 2014 idiot. The article I posted is from July of 2014. You have outdated links. I have updated links. Dumbass…The article you posted was from GDC of last year.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Fine. Have a 2015 article from earlier in the month, loser

      http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/200422-sony-demos-updated-project-morpheus-vr-headset-on-track-for-2016-release

      720P VR. LOL 8GB GDDR5

    • Josh101

      That very article shows that the Morpheus VR has a resolution of 1080P you idiot with a full RGB subpixel array. Which gets rid of the “screen door” effect. Also that the Morpheus is at 120Hz/120FPS. You are a idiot.

      “Sony is using an OLED panel with a resolution of 1080p, which is slightly lower than you’d get with some of the phone-based solutions. However, Sony’s OLED has a full RGB subpixel array. The Oculus Rift Dev Kit 2 uses a 1080p screen (from a Note 3), but it’s a PenTile array. That’s fine at arm’s reach, but you might notice some fuzziness when it’s strapped to your face (sometimes called a “screen door” effect). The Gear VR is 1440p with a Note 4, but once again is PenTile.”

      “Beyond the resolution, Sony’s Project Morpheus OLED sports improved latency and a 120Hz refresh rate. These are both important metrics for a display that will fill your entire vision. A high refresh rate is essential to make environments feel realistic, and the higher the latency, the faster you’re going to get sick. It might be unavoidable for some people, but at least Sony is aware of the potential issues. Even the newly announced HTC Re Vive is only 90Hz.”

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      You need to be above 960×1080 per eye to get rid of the screen door you moron. But then it’s telling you have no idea it uses an interlacing chip since the PS4 can’t do 120FPS. But then it struggles to do 30, loser :^)

      PS4 can’t do VR properly and I can’t wait for your tears next year

    • Josh101

      Did you seriously not read what the article says AGAIN? Sony’s OLED screen has a full RGB subpixel array. Which gets rid of the “screen door effect.” You are a dumbass. PenTile technology uses 33% fewer subpixels (two per pixel) and adds a white subpixel that gives the image added brightness and can aid the display in brighter or whiter color reproduction. Which gives you the “screen door effect.” Full RGB subpixel array fixes the “screen door” effect. You are dumb.. You don’t know what you are talking about.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Still a 960×1080 split per eye which is same pixel density of 720P and reports from people trying it at EVE Fanfest say the screen door effect is still there.

      You don’t know what you are talking about. You swallow Sony PR like a moron. Meanwhile Valve and OR have solved it and their displays have had widespread acclaim.

      Never mind the fact your garbage console struggles to hold 30FPS never mind the 90FPS needed for VR. Keep lying and spinning. It only makes me laugh at you harder

    • Josh101

      How can you seriously not read what is fact? The Oculus rift has a 1080P screen, using the Note 3 display. But it is using PenTile. PenTile automatically gives you the screen door effect you dumbass. RGB subpixel array gets rid of it. Which Sony has. Also, there are plenty of games running at 1080P and 60FPS on the PS4, why you keep going on about 30FPS is beyond me. You’re a idiot. Killzone Shadowfalls single player is 1080P 60FPS and that’s a launch title. Also, running 1080P on a t.v. is completely different than running on a VR headset you idiot.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Killzone is 37FPS at best, loser. You literally have no clue and scream Sony PR like a moron :^)

    • Josh101

      Awhhh, you were completely destroyed and post a lie in response. Digital foundry disagrees with you on Killzone Shadowfall. :^)

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      How? It doesn’t go to 60FPS

      And online is 960×1080

      You are deluded

    • Josh101

      Yes it does. Singleplayer campaign is 1080P and unlocked 60FPS. :^) They also have the option to lock it at 30FPS.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Why can’t it actually hit 40FPS let alone 60FPS? Moron

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkQxzPVzweU

    • Josh101

      http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/06/state-of-vr-sony-project-morpheus-2015/

      http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/03/playstation-4-vr/

      From a source that is NOT Sony PR. A review from the GDC a month ago. Be pissed that your lies don’t hold weight. You’ll get over it soon enough. :^)

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      What lies? Its 1080P single screen. 960×1080 per eye. You don’t get how VR works, idiot.

    • Josh101

      The “sickness” and 30fps on morpheus. As well as screen door effect. Those two articles alone prove you wrong. Learn to read. :^)

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      I can read and I can see its a 720P device with screen door being damage controlled by PR, loser.

      Can’t wait for this pile of Sh*t to show up and you crying when the Valve Vive and OR destroys it.

    • Josh101

      HAHAHAHAHAHAH nope. Those are articles posted by a journalist who attended GDC and had hands on experience with Project Morpheus. You can’t wait when the Oculus rift destroys it? You mean sitting in development well past when Project Morpheus launches to try and beat it? Yup, sounds about right. No biggie, Project Morpheus will have much more support from 1st party and 3rd party developers. :^)

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      No it wont. Developers working on OR games on Reddit said the POS4 is so weak they are not going to bother.
      Oh and Valve’s headset releases this year and will annihilate the poorpheus 720P :^)

    • Josh101

      You do know that the Oculus Rift is “720 per eye” right? Yes the Morpheus will have more support from developers.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      OR DK2 is not final specs. Final specs will be a 2560×1440 single screen.

      And Morpheus support? Not with that garbage conslow hardware, loser. GTA V needs a 980 and i7 processor to run in VR. POS4 can barely run it at medium settings and 30FPS (By the way, 60FPS GTA V is best. And so much more grass than the POS4 version)

      Developers have already come out and said they won’t be developing for Morpheus because the console is garbage and cant do VR :^)

    • Josh101

      So, your idiot response to post crap from a forum. Your “proof” is from forums. Where anyone can sign up and post whatever they want. Yeah, that has no credibility. None whatsoever. Not to mention, the very forum poster mentions that you have to purchase a Morpheus headset and it doesn’t come with the system, making it unlikely to have support. That applies to the Oculus rift as well. They aren’t going to give them away. The one article that mentions 2560×1440 resolution for the Oculus rift is about their “Bay Crescent” dev kit. Which is what it “might be like.” It’s all speculation. I see you like to try and b.s. your way through and use speculation and forums as your proof. You are pathetic. Try again……

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      The VR Subreddit has devs all the time, loser.

      By the way, any game on PC can have OR/Valve Support like GTA V. Guess what’s not getting Morpheus support since it barely runs 30FPS on POS4 :^)

    • Josh101

      Once again you skip over all the points you were wrong in. Just give up, you are dumb and possibly retarded. The VR subreddit has “devs” all the time but that completely explains why that particular post has the names blocked out right? Yeah, I thought so.

    • Josh101

      Yeah, any game on the PS4 can have Morpheus support as well. But not with your piece of SHHHHHIT PC you have buddy. Which will have little OR support. :^)

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      No it cant. Bloodborne barely runs 20FPS so it won’t have support, loser

      Keep screaming and making things up about my PC. GTA V looks so nice at 60FPS + :^)

    • Josh101

      Barely runs 30FPS, barely runs 20FPS. It seems the more you are proven wrong, the more obtuse you become. We have already covered Bloodborne. Dropping frames seldomly online due to lag is hardly a bad thing. Especially considering the game looks better than every game released on PC to date. If they would have held the PS4 release by a year and a half, it would be 60FPS as well. It’s called optimization.

    • Josh101

      Also, tell that to Slightly Mad Studios. They seem to have no issue giving Morpheus support with Project Cars. You are a idiot, you know this right?

      http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/26/project-cars-will-support-sonys-project-morpheus

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      LOL PCARS on PS4 drops to 30FPS. It won’t get morpheus support, moron.

    • Josh101

      Are you idiotic? It says right there in the post, right from Slightly Mad Studios that Project cars will have Morpheus support. LMAO I am having too much fun seeing how dumb you are. It’s awesome 😀 Where does it say it drops to 30FPS? Nowhere of course…Another lie from you. It’s juicy 😀

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Should have seen the digital foundry report on it, loser

    • Josh101

      Um, there is no digital foundry report on the PS4 you dumbassss. There is a hands-on article released 3 days ago stating the game is 1080P and 60FPS on PS4 though :^). Which completely destroys the B.S. you just lied about…..Again… You are the dumbest troll I’ve come into contact with. How can you not even fact-check your own bullsh*t?

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      *40FPS

      Game can’t even hold 60, loser. Fails basic requirements for VR.

    • Josh101

      Again, how can you not read about the lies you spew? A digital foundry hands on report says it’s 1080P 60FPS. Which proves you are lying :^) You don’t know when to give up do you? Mad that the PS4 is more powerful than your piece of shitttt PC huh? Yup, cry about it dumbasss. :^)

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      arstechnica. com/gaming/2015/03/sony-ps4-gets-vr-with-project-morpheus-in-early-2016/

      1080P Screen. 720P per eye :^)

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      I feel sorry for you GimpLover having to defend a God Of War remaster and upvoting himself. So edgy and sickdark. Your fedora must be euphoric with all these announcements.

      Oh wait PC gaming will have all the superior exclusives and you will be defending your APU Gabragestation with “B-B-BUT MUH REHASHES ON METACRITIC” like last year :^)

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      And what the POS4 has? Remasters. LOL how can you have a metacritic with the nogamestation 4. You sound desperate trying to hang off shill yoshida’s sack for another press X to win failure. Oh wait Bloodborne is 20FPS and has a “It was just a dream” ending. Saved you five hours, loser.

      If you want Games, 1080P and 60FPS. We have a platform for you. It’s called PC Gaming. Thank god Kaz Hirai is getting fired and the PS Brand is getting flushed to be just a cloud service before being killed off too :^)

      Upvote yourself more, roach. It makes me laugh

  • bardock5151

    What’s with all the scared little Sony fanboys? Seems like they’re scared that others have an opinion and preferences not inline with their own.

    Kinda sad that they hate gaming so much, and they don’t even realise it.

    • Orion Wolf

      Seriously the amount of fear is astounding.

      The article with that (never heard of before) indie dev who talked about how devs will have to choose between dx12 or ps4 (which smells of Sony PR) really made all the ps loyalist show up.

      It’s like all their hopes and wishes were answered – although many of the fanboys went on their ramblings and interpreted what was said in their own skewed way, which tells me that the fear of what dx12 might mean for the x1 and by proxy for the ps4 is not only really, but its making the fanboys desperate.

      Another of the most idiotic things I’ve heard from the ps fanboys is how bloodborne is only possible on a ps4 or a very expensive PC.

      Yeah because Bloodboorne is miles ahead of SC in terms of visuals, AI, physics and to not dismiss the sheer size or complexity. So no wonder you would need an extremely (lol) powerful PC to run it. /sarcasm

  • Ñosss!!!

    Game on!!! Tic tac tic tac tic tac. Storm is coming!!!

  • Gamez Rule

    Phil Spencers own words..

    “On the DX12 question, I was asked early on by people if DX12 is gonna dramatically change the graphics capabilities of Xbox One and I said it wouldn’t. I’m not trying to rain on anybody’s parade, but the CPU, GPU and memory that are on Xbox One don’t change when you go to DX12. DX12 makes it easier to do some of the things that Xbox One’s good at, which will be nice and you’ll see improvement in games that use DX12, but people ask me if it’s gonna be dramatic and I think I answered no at the time and I’ll say the same thing”

    And there we have it.

    • Mark

      The more vivid Tweet he made about DX12 on X1 is “Expect PDZ to Halo 4” last year. So when he says “isn’t gonna be a dramatic change”, I don’t know, is PDZ to Halo 4 graphically dramatic? It’s really left to the observer.

    • Gamez Rule

      lets be honest. DX12 ( just like past DX releases ) will improve over older DXs but it’s not special sauce that will make it more powerful overall. That’s what some people believe would be the case.

    • Mark

      Ok, so, if Phil isn’t lying, and we see a graphics jump, analogous to PDZ to Halo 4, later this year or 2016 on Xbox, is that because it magically got extra horsepower? Of course not man. Nobody sane is saying Microsoft’s gonna send a new gpu thru Live to our home consoles. They’re simply giving developers the tools that the X1 was built around………people keep saying the gpu is only an AMD 7700, but, Microsoft customized it with full DirectX 12 support. That’s hardware support for; Bundles, Conservative Rasterization, Order Independant Views, Volume Tiled Resources etc. But it seems to me that people can’t get past the 1.3tflops. However, Microsoft knows this and stated in their SDK for devs, “Hold no pre-conceived notion of what this gpu can do”.

      If you’ve been interested in following DX12 info, u know that it’s vastly different from all previous DirectX APIs (extremely so for PC). DX11 is laregly inefficient at multi-threaded workloads, from multiple core cpus to many core gpus. The driver itself is 2 times slower to process jobs from the cpus to the gpus. But whatever, I don’t expect Halo to look like Avatar, but I won’t doubt that 343 could pull something amazing out, based on the DX12 info I’ve seen. We’ll see. But most of the time, people don’t read up on DX12, they read the headlines, and that’s silly to me.

    • CJ

      Keyword DRAMATIC, not “NO”.

  • dead fanboy

    DX12 isn’t a pipe dream but a path to reality in technological advancement and Xbox One will strongly benefit. Sony Fanboys are worried about the awakening of a game console super power the Xbox One. I guarantee the Xbox One will outsell the PS4 starting in September and continuing threw early 2016. Why? Superior AAA game exclusives.

    • Josh101

      Outselling starting in September? So you give the PS4 over half the year? Yup, sounds about right. Even so, only in America. It will still be outsold worldwide.

  • dead fanboy

    PS4 isn’t powerful at all. It’s loading times are very long in an average of 45 to 55 seconds between the games. It only handles 30fps in gaming while Xbox One and PCs easily perform 60fps and many examples can be illustrated. Also PS4 exclusives have been poorly made from the Odor and Drivescum. It also lacks diversity in it’s library of games. It’s console designed looks ugly and the controller barely function, its online services are horrible. Especially Sony corporation always lies to the people.

  • dead fanboy

    Direct X12 will benefit the Xbox One it’s a Microsoft product. Currently we been seeing how the Xbox One has outperformed the PS4 in games like Devil May Cry: Definitive edition, Far Cry 4, and Evolve. And with DX12 implemented this will allow 200% greater CPU performance on your Xbox One…That’s Microsoft American innovation at its best.


 

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