The Park Dev On How DX12 Could Benefit Xbox One Games, Will Widen The Gap Between PS4 And X1 CPUs

Funcom’s creative director Joel Bylos shares his thoughts on the benefits of using DX12 on Xbox One games.

Posted By | On 09th, Jan. 2016 Under News | Follow This Author @GamingBoltTweet


DirectX 12

Joel Bylos, Creative Director at Funcom [the team behind The Park] has shared his thoughts on DirectX12 and how it can possibly improve games performance on Xbox One. Speaking to GamingBolt, Bylos stated that there is a difference in the way DX12 works for Xbox One compared to gaming PCs.

“So, DirectX12 on PC and DirectX12 on Xbox One are slightly different propositions,” Bylos stated. “The bottleneck on Xbox One is the GPU and DirectX12 is not a magical panacea which will suddenly remove that bottleneck,” he added.

It must be noted than when Microsoft started to plan the architecture of the Xbox One, they had already included a low level API that takes advantage of DX11 libraries. This is something that Bylos reiterates. “Remember that the Xbox One was already optimized to take advantage of DirectX11 at a hardware level,” he stated.

However if developers plan to use DX12 on Xbox One games, there will be certain advantages such as optimized draw calls. This may not make things faster or prettier, but will push out more things on the screen, according to Bylos.

“So the primary advantage of DX12 on Xbox One, in my opinion, will be the optimized draw call pipeline. Which means more things happening on screen – but not necessarily faster or prettier things.”

Bylos further notes that the DX12 will actually help the Xbox One widen its gap from the PS4 in terms of CPU processing power. It’s already known for a while that the Xbox One has a better CPU than the PS4, something that Sony have been trying to optimize via their own SDK updates.

“If anything it widens the gap between the CPU on the Xbox One and the PS4, giving the Xbox One a larger advantage in the area where it already had one.”

It will be interesting to see what kind of benefits will DX12 have on Xbox One. Hopefully Microsoft will release some benchmarks in the future that will exactly show the users about the benefits of a faster API on a console.


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  • shredenvain

    The bottle neck on the Xbox one isn’t always the gpu. It will vary for every single title released on the system. Go read some digital foundry face offs. They even tell you on occasion what part of the system is causing a Bootle neck in certain titles.

    • mj

      Journalists know more than industry experts….ok

    • J.j. Barrington

      Digital foundry’s “journalists” are tech experts, widely considered to be the best at what they do by EVERYONE in the industry.

    • Truth™

      And they agree that PC is the superior platform 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      Where did they do that?

    • Truth™

      On every single game

      Stay mad at your 20FPS4 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      You’re such a pitiful person.

    • Tech junkie

      You’re such a pitiful person.

    • J.j. Barrington

      And yet here you are, running to the defense of obvious trolls.

      Did I hurt your feelings or something? Gotta be some reason you’d resort to something as pathetic as this.

    • Tech junkie

      Not defending anyone. I’m calling out an obvious know nothing troll.
      Having a good time doing it.
      🙂

    • Luke Perry Glover

      lol nice pc master race profile pic you got there.

    • shredenvain

      The bottleneck on any title on any system can change every frame that is output!!!!! Multiple time a second.

      It had nothing to do with journalist or devs!!!!

      Sure titles that really push visual effects will be GPU bound on a lot of systems. A mediocre graphical title that is running a lot of simulation and lots of NPCs will most likely be CPU bound.

      It is all Dependant on what type of game you are creating and what your performance goals are. So please don’t take generalizations from developers in interviews as facts without exceptions.

    • mj

      But you implied that the journalists who work at DF somehow know more and have a better understanding of the systems than those in the industry…cause someone would work in the low paying world of gaming journalism than be a game dev/publisher with the potential to make a lot of money and own their own studio. Yeah.

  • Psionicinversion

    DX12 domination going to make PC’s destroy the consoles even more than they do currently… step aside consoles your about to get pwned even harder

    • J.j. Barrington

      Insecure, aren’t you?

    • Psionicinversion

      about what? gaming on the best platform on the planet… yeah sure

    • J.j. Barrington

      Is that why such strong efforts to let everybody know that when it’s irrelevant to the discussion at hand?

      It’s most certainly not SECURITY that encourages you to comment about PC gaming when the talk is solely about consoles.

      Indeed, PC isn’t in direct competition with consoles. Where are the sales comparisons? Where are the debates about exclusive series? Where’ the president of PC company talking about their vision and direction for the future?

      Are you even a PC fanboy, or just playing the part?

      At least be a good troll, though that seems a lost art nowadays.

    • Psionicinversion

      Just like to let people know. PC is open thats the great part of it and isnt a closed off black box that is totally out of your control. MS is starting to see the light thats why most of its new IP’s for xbox will be coming to PC, one day sony will see the light to and start putting some of its stuff on pc to

    • J.j. Barrington

      lol, sure.

    • Psionicinversion

      next gen when games become ridiculously expensive to make they probably will cus console owners sure dont buy any games. from the sales they are lucky to hit close to 2 mill for the new IP stuff. PS4 is fast approaching a 5% buy in figure based on console sales

    • J.j. Barrington

      … except all PC “elitists” ever do is talk about how they can always get games for cheap, meaning even LESS revenue than the BS you just made up.

    • Gamez Rule

      Don’t worry about him, he believes he can build a PC for $400 ( his lowest price figure given ) that does what a PS4 does ☺

      http://gamingbolt.com/playstation-4-passes-nintendo-64-is-now-the-13th-bestselling-console-of-all-time

    • J.j. Barrington

      I know he’s a clown.

    • Gamez Rule

      Thing is IF he took time out from his own mind blocks he could give good insight into gaming, but when someone is blinded by whatever blinds these people they cannot see past themselves to do so.

    • J.j. Barrington

      I won’t hold my breath.

    • Gamez Rule

      You was correct lol

    • J.j. Barrington

      I have a gift.

    • Truth™

      What blocks. PC gaming is simply superior 🙂

    • Gamez Rule

      Until you want to play something that’s not on PC

    • Truth™

      Only Nintendo games. Not garbage $ony trash 🙂

    • Gamez Rule

      PC gamers make petitions for Sony games all the time so carry on ☺

    • Edonus

      I agree…. games that I want to play and have come accustom to playing are on consoles. PC can be great and do amazing things but its still a very disconnected thing for me. I have never been somewhere and 6 friends are gathered around a PC passing the controller around playing Madden, or Halo, or Street Fighter.
      Another thing Mouse and Keyboard is over rated…. yes its more accurate but its also way less immersive. I like trigger pull, I like thumb play button mashing. Sure you can get a controller for PC but there goes another advantage and reason you should just stick with console.

    • Gamez Rule

      I love PC gaming, and love how I can do things while gaming on my PC etc, but for people like Truth™ to come out and put down other gaming platforms is stupid at best. A real gamer will support more than a PC for sure, and wouldn’t make himself look like a troll all over gaming sites bigging up PCs while putting down consoles and their users calling games poor when they are far from it.

    • Gamez Rule

      Tech junkie = Psionicinversion ( look at how he changed accounts about that $400 PC LMAO!

    • Gamez Rule

      Noticed that Tech junkie has been banned☺ Psionicinversion = Tech junkie = Troll ( one account removed and I did warn him this would happen ) due to being found out from mods☺

    • Tech junkie

      With some sacrifices like optical and Windows OS it can be done.

      You’d have a better experience with a PS or xbox but it can be done.

      However a 5 year old off the shelf mid tower desktop which many people have would significantly out perform any console by simply adding a graphics card and power supply.
      Which could done for less than $300.

      The less computer savvy would be better off to just buy a console.

    • Gamez Rule

      You cannot show a PC for $400 ( your own starting figure ) that does what a PS4 does simple as that. You have failed to show this PC many times already. Why can you not admit you was wrong ffs lol

      I would still like to see that PC please. ( Don’t miss out Blu-Ray ) and don’t miss out specs to play VR once here either please as PS4 can use VR as you know, so make sure your $400 PC does that too.

    • Tech junkie

      Not sure how it’s my starting figure. I simply said it could be done after you said it couldn’t. After somebody else said it could be done.

      Except you don’t know the experience you are getting with VR and we don’t know exactly what the external processor does. Plus you are stuck with proprietary hardware that is obsolete the second Sony says so.

      PC’s as a long term investment are far better. Towers and power supplies can be reused generation after generation.

      PC’s are also multi purpose. Consoles are very limited.

      You simply can’t compare PC and console. I already said for people who aren’t computer savvy and overall experience you are better off with a console.

      Me personally, I’m very computer savvy. I much prefer PC for single player games and pushing graphics to the limit. I choose xbox for my console experience. Consoles are about social gaming for me. It’s what my friends have. I’m also partial to Halo and Forza.
      PS4 doesn’t fit for me. Few of my friends have it. I’m not impressed by its graphics or games.
      I have a high end blu-ray player for watching optical media and an HTPC for digital media. I prefer technology to provide the best experience possible.

    • Gamez Rule

      OMG LMAO!…..”Not sure how it’s my starting figure”

      You stated “yeah your right… $400-500 kciks the PS4 down”

      See that $400 ( that was your lowest starting price posted ) lol

      YOU cannot build a new PC that costs $400 that can do what a new PS4 does ( PROVE YOU CAN ) and like I stated, don’t forget Blu-Ray or VR ( as PS4 will be using VR soon )

      No more excuses, everyone can read these posts. You keep stating you can do this $400 PC show the proof then via link ( no more talking about it ).

    • Tech junkie

      I think you are confusing me with some body else.
      Just waiting for a contractor doing work at one of my rentals. I’ll post some list prices when I get home.

      You really need to relax

    • Gamez Rule

      Tech junkie = Psionicinversion = Tech junkie ROFLMAO!

    • Tech junkie
    • Gamez Rule

      Trolling LMAO! .. Everyone knows the truth

    • Tech junkie

      What are you talking about? You are very confused

    • Gamez Rule

      Troll on LMAO!

    • Tech junkie

      Seriously have no clue what you are talking about, but stay crazy 🙂

    • Gamez Rule

      Hahha, you have been trolling and been caught and proven to be using more than one account LMAO!

    • Truth™
    • Gamez Rule

      Failed again,.. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RW4CnQ = No Blu-Ray, not able to play VR, no controller, etc

      These PCs cannot do what PS4 does LMAO!

    • Truth™

      PS4 can’t run VR either yet they are trying. Will be the most spectacular failure in 2016 🙂

    • Gamez Rule
    • J.j. Barrington

      Weird that the guys at OR are saying differently. Pretty sure they know better than you. You know, since they’re actually working on VR and you’re not.

    • Tech junkie

      What can blu-ray do that that PC can’t? Physical media is dead

    • Gamez Rule

      Trolling and caught out LMAO!.So funny,

    • Tech junkie

      What are you talking about?

    • Gamez Rule

      I posted proof LMAO!..Troll on

    • Tech junkie

      What proof? Proof of what?

    • Gamez Rule

      Hahah

    • Tech junkie

      Sure, you might be late taking your meds

    • Gamez Rule

      ..Psionicinversion = Tech junkie = Troll☺

    • Tech junkie

      I literally linked you an article where I’m conversing with him. Stay crazy

    • J.j. Barrington

      Well, blu-ray is a format, not a platform, so there’s that.

    • Tech junkie

      Yeah, a format for what playing a movie. Installing a game. Physical media is dead

    • J.j. Barrington

      Or playing a game. For having a solid, reliable, physical copy of a game. Discs don’t corrupt like HDDs do, that’s for damn sure. So I’d rather have Bluray.

      Thanks, though.

    • Tech junkie

      All that can be down via downloading on the internet. I have a huge Blu-ray collection, I have a disc show up almost once a week. That disc is instantly converted to digital, something a useless blu-ray player in a console can’t do. I can then watch through any tv in my house off my server
      Yes HDDs fail., mine are all backed up, even if they all fail, I still have the physical media. If you bought digitally legally you can just simply download it again. No reason whatsoever to have a optical player in a living room in 2016.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Internet is extra. It’s also not something that’s infallible, or something available everywhere.

    • Tech junkie

      Well, seems like money is an issue to you and you lack knowledge in pc’s so best stick to console and have a nice day 🙂

    • Gamez Rule

      Funny how that name has changed ( one I posted to called Psionicinversion now showing Tech junkie ) LMAO!

      Psionicinversion = Tech junkie = Troll☺

    • Gamez Rule

      Funny how that name has changed ( person I posted to was called Psionicinversion which is now showing as Tech junkie ) LMAO! ♦See my post picture below♦

      Psionicinversion = Tech junkie = Troll☺

    • J.j. Barrington

      Not only is that not likely, but it’s also something that would remain true for a very short period of time; in the meanwhile, consoles will still be capable of playing every game released for them five years from now.

    • Gamez Rule

      Psionicinversion = Tech junkie = Troll☺

    • J.j. Barrington

      I’m gathering that.

    • Tech junkie
    • Tech junkie

      2 builds were linked in this article. PS4 won’t last 5 more years.
      I have an off the self mid tower in my house with a graphics card that will out perform ps4

    • J.j. Barrington

      The graphics card, sure, but what about the rest of the PC?

      And what does “mid-tier” even mean? It’s a nebulous phrase that could encompass any number of builds from a wealth of price ranges.

      The point is that you couldn’t spend $400 now or five years ago and get a PC capable of outperforming consoles. Not unless you’re shopping for used parts and leaving out housings and OSes.

    • Tech junkie

      Well, I said mid-tower, being that you don’t understand that tells me you have next to know PC knowledge.
      Your argument is based on the fact that a $400 PC can’t do what a console can do. If you look at it’s core function of gaming, it can and can do it very well.
      If you want to start throwing non-gaming functions into the mix, for very little more, a PC can do far more than a console can do. Plus without a yearly subscription you have additional money to invest into said PC to upgrade.
      When the next gen console comes out you can play all the new games, plus all your old game for an investment in a graphics card less than the price of the console. CPU’s and ram requirements haven’t changed drastically over the past few years.

      If you actually took the time to read my previous statements instead of jumping on the train with this other fan boy, you would have seen I said with consoles you’d probably get a better experience for your money.
      You want the best gaming experience, period, budget out the window, you game on PC.
      I game on console everyday, so don’t think I’m against console, I have a top tier gaming rig as well worth thousands and fully understand what PC can do that console can’t. PS4 and Xbox One are jokes as far as specs are concerned, what they do win out on is being user friendly and social experiences far beyond PC.

    • J.j. Barrington

      I have “know” knowledge, huh?

      What are the exact specifications and price of a mid-tier PC?

      When you add in everything required to run a game, there is no $400 PC that can outperform a PS4 or XB1.

    • Tech junkie

      I know the difference between know and no, my phone obviously auto corrected

      Again since you have no idea what a mid tower pc is, not mid tier, mid tower, ie and expandable pc with an atx mobo extra pci slots and have enough room to swap out to a standard power supply,
      I’m not wasting my time with this.
      You clearly don’t have the knowledge or skill set required to build a $400 PC that can play games better than a console, so it’s probably best you stick to console 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      lol, neither do you, which is why you’re avoiding the subject.

    • Tech junkie

      What subject am I avoiding. Links have already been posted showing 2 PCs that out perform console for under $400.

      You confused mid tower for mid tier twice. Look up mid tower and full tower.

      Better yet stick to consoles 😉

    • J.j. Barrington

      Looked it up.

      It’s irrelevant.

      It refers to the size of the tower, and has nothing to do with the components inside.

      You didn’t build a $400 PC capable of outperforming a PS4 or XB1, and the one link I see lacks all the stuff I already mentioned you’d need to be a complete platform. There are no controls, no OS, and the build isn’t even actually TESTED.

      You failed.

    • Tech junkie

      I failed nothing. The case has nothing do do with what is in it. It does have an effect on what fits.

      Again you are out of your league and just making yourself look dumber by the second. 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      Barely. Larger towers tend to be full of empty space, anyway.

      Keep it up, wannabe. Keep failing until you get it.

    • Tech junkie

      Well, my point as usual is way over your head 🙂
      I was getting at as long as it isn’t one of those small form factor boxes with custom power supplies, mobo and no room for expansion.

      My full tower is far from empty 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      Oh, I see that other build.

      lmao.

      The game is running like crap. And, once again, it’s lacking the cost of the OS among other things.

      It’s also running a 320GB HDD, which isn’t even comparable to what the PS3 comes with these days, let alone equal to the PS4 and XB1.

      Also, lmao at finding the parts all over the world for cheap or used in order to make the build. Why don’t I just find a discounted PS4 on ebay for $200 and destroy your stupid comparison once and for all?

    • Tech junkie

      Go ahead, I’ll keep using my $3000 rig 😉

      You can easily get all parts for cheap from a single retailer, brand new with warranty

    • J.j. Barrington

      And? I can still get a console for cheaper, invalidating your idiotic claim, since you’re using budget builds missing content that’s cobbled together on sale.

      What a loser.

    • Tech junkie

      Just keep digging, can’t believe you think you know anything at all, you don’t know what a mid tower is lol 😀

    • Tech junkie
    • Gamez Rule

      All the above PCs linked on here cannot do what PS4 does, they have No Blu-Ray, not able to play VR like PS4 can do, no controller, no free game, no OS,etc. A $400 PC cannot do what a PS4 can and that’s the truth of the matter.

    • Tech junkie

      It can play games better than a PS4.
      I’ve never once installed a physical disc in my Xbox.
      Many graphics cards come with free games when you purchase.
      Sony VR is a joke.

      XbotMK1 you are a pathetic human.

      Bottom line the PS4 is a perfectly capable machine. But it is a joke in the power department.

    • Gamez Rule

      Fact is ya trolling and been caught out for your BS!, as for stating I’m Xbotmk1 that is laughable at best, but carry on☺, as the truth still comes to down to this ( a $400 PC cannot do what a PS4 can do ) and you Psionicinversion keep on trying to prove you can do it LMAO!

      As for stating Sony’s VR is a joke the fact is a $400 PC cannot use VR like the PS4 can do with futher backs up my claim so please stop with your dreams of this $400 PC doing what PS4 can do as it’s untrue☺

    • Tech junkie

      I don’t have to dream about a $400 PC, my rig was the best of the best last year. Was thinking about an upgrade to skylake soon

      You can play your joke VR, I’ll play real VR.

      I proved you are xbotmk1

    • Gamez Rule

      I enjoy my PCs to as well as my other gaming devices / platforms, but truth is you cannot build from new a $400 PC that can do what PS4 does and that’s all there is to it.

    • Tech junkie

      It can play games better, that’s all that matters 🙂

    • Gamez Rule

      Then stop with the BS that you can build a $400 PC that can do what PS4 does because we all know you cannot do so

    • Tech junkie

      Yes it can. Playing games is all that matters since PC can do way more than PS4 could even dream.

    • Gamez Rule

      LMFAO!, Twist this about as much as you like but everyone knows the truth and that is you’re unable to build a new $400 PC to do what PS4 does.☺☺☺

    • Gamez Rule

      All the above PCs linked on here cannot do what PS4 does, they have No Blu-Ray, not able to play VR like PS4 can do, no controller, no free game, no OS,etc. A $400 PC cannot do what a PS4 can and that’s the truth of the matter.

    • Truth™
    • Gamez Rule

      As you have jusr repeated you link I’ll repost my reply

      Failed again,.. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RW4C… = No Blu-Ray, not able to play VR, no controller, etcThese PCs cannot do what PS4 does LMAO

    • Truth™

      The only insecurity here is Sony shills about to be annihilated further. The gap will only increase 🙂

      http://i.imgur.com/rduJ6hp.jpg

    • Tha-Truth

      PC gaming is last – gen trash for braindead shills. The fact that you spend your entire pathetic, wretched existence on articles like this TALKING about console games instead of actually PLAYING PC games is testament to that, sheepboy.
      PC vermin spend their time talking about console games because they’re well aware of the fact that the games on their own platform are trash and not worth playing.

    • Gamez Rule

      I’m a PC gamer and a console user ( with many other devices for gaming needs in my collection ) and I for one can say that Truth™ does not speak for all PC gamers and makes PC gamers look bad in general.

      You can have the best PC in the world and still not play all games ( same as consoles etc )

    • omarcominyo

      I’m a PC gamer and wouldn’t cross the street to piss on him if he was on fire

    • Katana Man

      I own both, not all vermin, pc is best though.

    • Truth™

      Sony damage control is here and crying as usual.

      PC will obliterate consoles this year and you will forever be mad 🙂

    • Luke Perry Glover

      …even if that’s true. The ps4 is on track to become the highest selling console of all time, and the xbox one is outpacing what the 360 did, which that outpaced the original xbox. Sooo yeah….both sony and microsoft are doing better than last gen, console sales wise.

    • tommxx

      Yet you come on here trolling PC gamers and in the same comment you say that commenting on these articles is pointless. *sigh*

    • Jason Mounce

      Close the gap*. Sony widened the gap at the get-go and Xbox has been playing catch up ever since. Anyone saying Xbox is ‘widening’ ANY gap are just delusional. lmao.

      0.15Ghz CPU difference OMG XBOX WIDENS GAP! Hahahah

    • Truth™

      I said the gap between the POS4 and PC gaming yet you can’t read.

      Console peasants gonna peasant 🙂

    • Jason Mounce

      I don’t need to focus so hard on your idiosyncrasies if all they do is inform me about your retardation, I just breeze through it, get the general idea, then go to tell you why you’re wrong 🙂 Then watch you get salty as you just did.

    • Guest

      Oh look who is it, its the guy who is obsessed with Sony. Get off their nuts already, its sad. And btw, the screenshot looks great for a beta.

    • ShoNuff

      I think the environment looks great. that character model looks out of place in it.

    • Starman

      Game looks like garbage ….

    • AriesSiren

      The thing is no one cares about pc gaming.

    • Psionicinversion

      no one cares because they know its superior… steam being worth billions would disagree with you

    • Bobby Griffin

      Yes sir

    • Anthony

      No sir

    • TwinStripeUK

      Okay, we get it, you have a small penis – no need to harp on about it…

    • Psionicinversion

      playstation users have the smallest constantly waggling sales of the consoles around

    • Guest

      Yeah, you’re definitely insecure.

    • JeronimoPW

      Nice. You will finally be able to play Undertale and Her Story in 4K ultra settings.

    • Psionicinversion

      … and Everyones Gone to the Rapture, and Recore, and most likely quantum break scale bound gears 4 the list goes on

    • FreeRyu

      Who said QB Scalebound and Gears 4 is coming to PC? You PC guys think just because M$ gave you a few ports that you are getting the heavy hitters lol.

    • Psionicinversion

      i said most likely… when someone asked the head gears guy about gears 4 coming to PC in last years E3 PC gamer show he said theres nothing to share atm. End of the day Gears 4 will be using DX12 so very easy to port to PC, may only cost a couple $100k to port and optimise and potentially get millions back… thats why

    • FreeRyu

      I know you said “most likely”. Thats why I said “You PC guys think just because M$ gave you a few ports that you are getting the heavy hitters lol.” I know it’s using DX12 but why would they bring their best 2016 exclusive to PC? Maybe when Gears 6 comes out in like 3 years. Btw it doesn’t matter how much it costs. M$ owns Win10, and DX12, they have money for anything. Either way it won’t be coming to Steam, Windows 10 Store, they get ya money anyways lol.

    • Psionicinversion

      well no crap. Any MS funded game will be win10 only doesnt make sense to put it on steam (even though Ori and blind forest was on there). Judging from xbox exclusive game sales there pretty poor for the most part so why not capitalise on PC players to?? I think they will put most new games on PC so they get more money to invest back into more games. Doesnt matter how much money MS as a whole has the xbox division still has a budget

    • Guest

      PC’s are boring, nobody cares. And the XO smokes the PC. And DX12 plus the cloud is only going to show that even more clearly.

    • Psionicinversion

      the PC is the only system that can run everything at least 1080p. Nothing is getting smoked here

    • Gamez Rule

      “PC is the only system that can run everything at least 1080p”

      Wrong as consoles do 1080p. Now if you had said 4k I would have agreed☺

    • Psionicinversion

      wrong… run EVERYTHING at 1080p, AC syndicate 900p on both Battlefront 900p/720p just even those 2 means they cant run everything at 1080p so guess your wrong and obviously fail at reading comprehension

    • Gamez Rule

      What you should have posted IF you was on about games is..

      *PC is the only system that can run every GAME at least 1080p*

      But can your PC run uncharted series at 1080p ( NOPE ) which shows your PC cannot run EVERYTHING at least 1080p.

    • Psionicinversion

      Last i check Uncharted was a game right? so your corrected comment still doesnt work!

      Everything thats on the system, guess i have to be completely perfect in what im saying with mr OCD around eh!

    • Gamez Rule

      “PC is the only system that can run everything at least 1080p”

      Unless it’s under powered. But we all know deep down a games not just all about 1080p right☺

    • Psionicinversion

      yeah but i didnt specify what system. PC as a platform can, what hardware is in it is down to the person buying it. Yeah true 1440p and 4k to!!! haha

      Going be funny to see what you have to say when the next consoles try for 4K then youll probably have worse looking games than now. They have to render 4x more pixels before they even think about upgrading graphical fidelity

    • Gamez Rule

      Why talk about 4k gaming on next gen consoles when not all PCs nowadays can run all games released for PC maxed out at 1080p 60fps.

    • Psionicinversion

      because a lot of people on youtube and some sites all think they are going to shoot for 4K and i have a feeling they will to but they cant do it on an APU if 2019 is the estimated release date of the next xbox/PS5… i personally think they should stick to 1080p and increase the graphics but i dont think theyll do that.

    • Gamez Rule

      Agreed.

      4K TVs are good but need to become better for gaming needs than they are today, and the next gen consoles IF 1080p should allow for a very good up-scaler built into the consoles allowing gamers to use their 4k TVs at good quality.

    • Psionicinversion

      well upscaling will be worse than it is now because upscaling from like 720p/900p can be noticeable to some people and places like DF notice lots of problems upscaling from 720p in image quiality and thats just 50% to double the resolution. Your talking about 4x the resolution being upscaled but you get used to it i suppose. I remember when i first had my 1080p TV and that was upscaling dvds and stuff and it looked really really weird then it stopped being weird cus i must of got used to it.

      They could try for a resolution like 1440p and then upscale to 4K as its only double then.So just depends what they do, with PS4 selling so well i highly highly doubt there going to make consoles where they build them to take a loss again

    • Tx Redneck

      I’m not sure you’re sure about the correct usage of your/you’re.

  • Bobby Griffin

    Let’s face even though I like my xbox , both the ps4 and xbox one are really under powered. They should have released both consoles two years earlier and the real next Gen should’ve been 2017 with the new xbox and ps5. As it stands both consoles missed the party.

    • J.j. Barrington

      So your solution to the consoles not being powerful is to release them earlier, when they would have been less powerful?

    • Luke Perry Glover

      If they had been released in 2011 with the tech they launched with, that would have been way more powerful at the time. That’s what bobby was getting at. 😛 Which is correct. In the past, consoles at launch were up to par if not above high end pcs coming out at the time, but this gen they were behind (by far).

  • MONKEY.D LUFFY

    Wut ? LMAO 🙂

  • Charles – The Great and Powerf

    This is one of the reasons that the XBox One is the only place for next gen gaming. Having the only consistent 1080p/60 FPS experience with HALO 5 Guardians and Forza. THE ONLY EXPERIENCE like this on console gaming. Sony has the Wii of this generation. Popular but lacking.

    • Psionicinversion

      well i wouldnt call halo 1080p…. it rarely hits it

    • GHz

      But the scale though. Alll that stuff happening in one scene. And what kind of rendering tech they using to make some of those levels look extraordinary? 1080p is NOT a next gen feature. There other ways to produce a prettier image. But I get it. We want it all.

    • J.j. Barrington

      But the excuses, though.

      They use rendering like extreme pop-in.

    • GHz

      the game looks good dude. If you want to go hunting for parts where things look odd, you can go right ahead. But the same can be said for mostly all games. You’ll always find something that’s off. Just stop the hate and take it easy.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Using numbers to claim “next gen gaming” is asinine when there are dev tricks like the aforementioned being used. I didn’t say the game doesn’t look good, but don’t act like those performance numbers didn’t come at a price.

    • GHz

      Im not acting anything. You’re the one mentioning 1080p as if its exclusive to PS4, pop up like PS4 dont have pop up, or screen tearing, frame drops etc.

    • J.j. Barrington

      I’m not the one praising- or defending someone who’s praising- numbers as if they’re definitive proof of a console being next gen.

      If you can’t see how stupid that is, there’s no hoe for you, either.

    • GHz

      Dude who cares! Just take it easy with the hate. wasnt praising anyone, just rebutting your dumb logic. If youre referring to your annoyance @ what Charles said, thats simply subjective. You can say the same about the PS4 & all is good!

      Let XB fans enjoy their XB1 articles.

    • J.j. Barrington

      First, it’s a PS4 article as well, or else it wouldn’t have been mentioned.

      Second, there’s no hate in me, except hatred for ignorance. That seems to be something you actively promote, and I gather it’s alright as long as it’s in support of the Xbox, as you seem to be quick to defend when it’s the stupidity of Xbox fans, but quicker still to attack anyone you think is using similar tactics in support of PlayStation.

      Third, I didn’t say you praised anything. In fact, I specifically added in “-or defending someone who’s praising-” which is exactly what you’re doing right now. Charles says that the “ONLY” next gen experience is on XB1, and uses the performance numbers achieved by two games as proof. THAT is dumb logic, not subjectivity, and I rebutted that stupidity, because it SHOULD be rebutted.

      IF someone were making those claims of the PS4, they’d be guilty of the same stupidity. It wouldn’t be all good. And I bet you wouldn’t be saying “let them enjoy” anything, or defending it as subjectivity. No, you’d be attacking it.

    • GHz

      Let me get this straight. You get angry @ someone for making a subjective statement besides pointing out their fondness for the 1080p/60fps experience on XB1. Your feelings get hurt cause they enjoys their experience so you feel an obligation to ruin it. Meanwhile I dont even care. I’m minding my own business.

      I respond to Psionic about his comment, and you, still hot with insecure feelings about Charles enjoying his experience, jump into my convo with PSionic, talking about extreme pop up? Like that’s exclusive to the XB1? Like the PS4 dont experience that? Dude that the definition of hating. You cant stand having pple like what they like. That’s hating!

      When you say things like, “Using numbers to claim “next gen gaming” is asinine” while you support the the idea that if Fallen on XB1 is 900p while its 1080p on PS4, it must means that PS4 is a superior machine, arent you being a hypocrite? Doesnt that show you are very ignorant?

      Dont try to make it look like you’re all for the benefit of both systems. Your agenda is clear. Nothing wrong with you loving the PS4. Just stop with the attacks.

    • J.j. Barrington

      That’s not subjective, first and foremost. Calling it an opinion doesn’t make it subjective. And if he WANTS to say he enjoys it, that’s fine.

      Is that what he said? Didn’t think so.

      Psionic made the same comment I originally did, noting that Charles’ bragged about numbers weren’t even constants. And you come in, countering what Psionic said when his response was absolutely right. Why is that? No one ever questioned the game looking good, did they? So why all the defense?

      It was ALL in relation to Halo. It was ALL in response to a claim of some sort of superiority because that game is SOMETIMES 1080p.

      ANY game can be 1080p; as you yourself said, it’s not a feature that indicates next-gen.

      No, no, no. And yes, to respond to your other comment elsewhere, you ARE stupid. I’m not making the claim that one console is next-gen while the other is not. That’s not a decision that can be made based purely on the base performance numbers of two games.

      Claiming, however, that one console is more powerful based on consistent superior performance- and the statements from numerous developers- is sensible.

      I’m not making anything look like I’m all anything. I make no secret that I prefer PlayStation. Always have. But I’m also not hear making unrealistic, fanboyish claims, either.

      The PS4 is more powerful.

      It’s noticeable now.

      That will not change.

      1080/60 does not make anything next-gen.

      Software cannot make up for differences in hardware.

      The SDK of both consoles will improve over time.

      None of these things is a lie.

      Please, point out any lie I’ve stated. Point out an OPINION I’ve stated that I tried to portray as anything else.

      You’re the one picking and choosing, in a failed attempt to make your points. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work like that.

    • GHz

      “That’s not subjective, first and foremost. Calling it an opinion doesn’t make it subjective”

      sub·jec·tive -Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

      Look it up and stop with the lunacy cause you cant admit when your wrong.

      Everything he said was based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. The only thing objective were the numbers. While they may not have been consistent to 100% degree, they were present!

      Its obvious he’s relishing in the XB1 experience. Thats my observation. Based on how he expressed his POV, almost everyone would reach the same conclusion.

      “And you come in, countering what Psionic said when his response was absolutely right. ”

      There you go overreacting again cause your stupid feeling control your actions. To say I was countering would suggest that I was in objection to what Psi said, and thats NOT the case! Because its true that Halo 5 isnt always 1080p. So I pointed out the other merits of the game. The scale of which objects were onscreen! And again your feeling got hurt and jump to conclusions! You need to seriously stop and calm down.

      You trying to sound reasonable but you keep saying the dumbest things, and you hate it when its brought to your attention.

      “point out any lie I’ve stated”

      Not so much lies, but more like half truths, in attempt to convince me that your POV is 100% fact. Look at how you responded to me from the beginning, look at how I rebutted. You lose. Stop HATING! W/e merits PS4 have do not diminish the merits of the XB1.

      Even if we learned better from actual devs, you insist on pushing your agenda. WHY? Why cant you see both sides?

      Saying PS4 is “More Powerful” Than Xbox One Or Vice Versa Is Really Misrepresenting How Games Work
      Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/saying-ps4-is-more-powerful-than-xbox-one-or-vice-versa-is-really-misrepresenting-how-games-work#vpbthdX4PR4v4Usd.99

      Who should I believe, you or developers? Stop the hate!

    • J.j. Barrington

      Just stop. You’re wrong, and we both know it.

    • Gamez Rule

      Well stated.

    • Tech junkie

      Are you joking, you are correcting peoples english and grammar and then say calling it an opinion doesn’t make it subjective.
      LMFAO,
      You clearly think you are smarter than you actually are 🙂
      Just give up

    • J.j. Barrington

      People have the opinion that one race is superior to others. That is false, and a stupid opinion. You can opine that fire doesn’t actually burn, but that would be silly.

      Take any absolute fact in the world, and you can bet people have an opinion on it. A fact, however, is not subjective, so having an opinion on the matter doesn’t change that.

      It is a fact that 1080p/60fps is not a requirement for a console or game to be considered next gen. His opinion does not change that.

      Once again, you’ve failed.

    • Tech junkie

      You completely avoided what I said. Then went completely off topic. Sorry you have failed.
      Try harder 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      Sure I did. Lol

    • Tech junkie

      You did but that’s OK. Stay on your high horse in your little fantasy world 🙂

    • Michael Norris

      I think Killzone Shadow Fall MP looks good for a sub 1080p resolution.

    • GHz

      I do too.

    • Psionicinversion

      1080p isnt a next gen feature…. its a last gen one and that makes it even worse.

    • GHz

      I dunno I think the epic battle scenes makes up for the lack of a locked res. They could’ve locked the 1080 by toning down the fx and scale but why give us a last gen experience @ 1080p? I say turn it up a notch. So whats your fav game on PC right now? What card(s) you got powering your games?

    • Psionicinversion

      the game im mostly getting through at the moe is AC Syndicate. I dont game every day but im going knock that out before Tomb Raider releases. Ive only got a 280x atm but waiting on the new GPU’s to come out because i want to run Squadron 42/Star Citizen at max settings 60fps… anything less would be an insult to it 😀 plus then ill be able to run everything like Cyberpunk 2077, Mass Effect Andromeda, the possible Watchdogs 2 releasing this year instead of an AC, Battlefield 5 (if its released), Deus Ex etc. max settings 60fps.

      Sure they could of scaled it back then they wouldnt have to sacrifice so many graphics, you wouldnt see a game like that on ps4 because ps4 cant handle it either which is why nothing ever is really going on in a ps4 game all graphics little anything else.

    • Gamez Rule

      PC ( Max Settings ) using a, i5 4440 (3.10 GHz) + R9 280x Vapor-X + 16GB DDR3 1600Mhz Ram using Windows 10 couldn’t play Trine 3 at a solid 30fps at 1080p let alone 60fps.

      PS4 runs a solid 60fps at 1080p ( which as Digital Foundry confirmed ) The PC used by Digital Foundry was a ( GTX 980 Ti system in their faceoff ) *maxed out all graphical settings, combining FXAA with 4x SSAA* to match the PS4 code. ( See link below all other links as proof )

      Also going to show a PC GeForce GTX 750 Ti ( Very High settings used with FXAA + 2xSSAA ) showing that that PC couldn’t do a solid 30fps at 1080p let alone 60fps when playing Trine 3.

      ( PS4 can’t be that bad then )

      See video One for PC using the 280x

      See video Two for PS4

      See video Three for PC using 750 Ti

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYXJHK7i6tM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0cpn46SMGk

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA75bJw2zIU

      http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-trine-3-face-off

    • Psionicinversion

      thats down to it being on DX9 its crap, single thread only and very slow. When Shadow Warrior updated its game to dx11 it added like 30 fps to my system. Dont you think its weird how 750Ti and 280x are virtually identical fps although dunno if very high is the max settings in that game.

      Funny how you compare 1 game yet ignore every other game out and you do know when dx12/vulkan lands its going to get worse for the consoles as PC will be using more of its power instead of being locked away by inefficient API’s

    • Gamez Rule

      Clearly pointing out ….”( PS4 can’t be that bad then ) Maybe that’s why no 750Ti was used in the Trine 3 faceoff”… Nothing more nothing less☺

    • Psionicinversion

      yeah probably. dont understand why Trine 3 is using dx9 in 2015. that among other things is why its the most hated trine out of all of them. Think it was Trine anyway the developer did you a youtube video apologising to the fans

    • Gamez Rule

      DX9 ( from Steam not me ) is the most common DX used, maybe that’s why? I don’t know. But like I posted maybe that’s why a 750Ti system wasn’t used for Trine 3 on the PS4 faceoff, due to it being unable to compare to PS4 version?

    • Psionicinversion

      You can tell its DX9 because the overlay says DX9 by the FPS counter. DX11 is the most commonly used, it provided much higher performance. DX9 was from the days of single and dual core systems

    • Gamez Rule

      Windows 7 64 bit most popular
      System Ram 8GB most popular
      Physical CPUs 2 most popular
      VRAM 1024 MB most popular
      DirectX 9 most popular
      Primary Display Resolution (1920×1080 ) most popular
      Drive type DVD most popular
      Total Hard Drive Space 250GB to 499GB most popular
      Video card GeForce GTX 970 most popular.

      Steam Hardware & Software Survey: December 2015 ( Windows Only ) These are the most popular so says Steam

      http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=pc

    • Psionicinversion

      doesnt matter what steam says its what developers are using for there games right now. and DX11 has been going for years. They only include DX11 renderers so i think ill go with what the games are using over your little fact hunt.

      I downloaded Trine 3 and seems like PS4 version is only using FXAA DF also says Texture resolution and stuff is lower as well. so your probably looking at high settings also Volumetrics are higher quality on PC to. I downloaded Trine 3 using FXAA and max settings i get 75fps… if i use FXAA +4x supersampling i get 30. Super sampling renders the game at much higher resolution than your monitor then shrinks it keeping most of the detail so its very very performance intensive and thats what those 2 videos you showed me were using. 2x super sampling on the 750Ti is rendering the game at twice the resolution and then shrinking it thats why performance is alot worse.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersampling

    • Gamez Rule

      So really PS4 is better than people first thought while running at 60fps without a drop or screen tear ect.

    • Psionicinversion

      well no not really. They can tune the ps4 to be constant 60 and thats by reducing the stuff thats heavy on performance so no not really its pretty simple game. if it was DX11 my fps would rocket over 100. DX9 very bad for PC’s now

    • Gamez Rule

      The games character and environment reflections are a match, and the identical draw distances along with an equally strong use of depth of field across both PS4 and PC. Smoke,particles, and other alpha-based effects are also rendered in full resolution on both versions

      The use of physics-based objects is also equally impressive, and foliage on the PS4 casts shadows, but this effect is missing across much of the greenery throughout the PC game, and you say *Well no not really*

      PS4 is at max settings combining FXAA with 4x SSAA at 1080p 60fps, it’s better than what people thought and DF even stated the core of the game’s aesthetic is beautifully recreated on the platform. I would love DF to now do a faceoff with a 750Ti

    • Psionicinversion

      where does it say its at FXAA + 4x SSA because it doesnt say that anywhere

    • Gamez Rule

      “Trine 3 is finally available on PlayStation 4, and this version offers up native 1080p visuals along with a 60fps update. However, the game was originally conceived for the PC, and this is the version to beat.

      ♦Running at 1080p to match the PS4 code, we were able to we maxed out all graphical settings, combining FXAA with 4x SSAA (supersampling) anti-aliasing using a GTX 980 Ti-based system. Our challenge for the PS4 game was pretty straightforward – to see just how close Frozenbyte
      could get to the title’s showing on a top-end PC♦

      Here, clean image quality is joined by lashings of detailed texture work, along with thick volumetric lighting, and extensive use of physics-based interactivity with the environment.”

    • Psionicinversion

      your misinterpreting what its saying. Its saying they are running the game at 1080p to match the ps4 but they are using FXAA + 4x SSAA on the 980Ti to see how close the ps4’s visuals come to a high end system… also this

      “Curiously, asset quality on the PS4 doesn’t quite match the PC game running maxed out, which is surprising given the five gigs of system memory available to developers. Lower resolution textures and normal maps are deployed across some surfaces on PS4. Fences, brickwork, and ground textures are all affected to varying degrees. In motion the differences aren’t always obvious, only really showing up in side-by-side comparisons, but the PC game definitely features a more refined look as a result.

      Another area where the PC version takes point is with regards to lighting. Volumetric effects on both platforms allow for light to scatter more convincingly across the air, producing denser light shafts and a convincing glow across the environment. It really adds a lot of atmosphere to the game, and on the PC these effects appear fuller, covering more of the scene. Meanwhile, shadow quality is also improved on the PC.”

    • Gamez Rule

      How much does a GTX 980Ti system cost,,, so yes that PC would do better than PS4 lol

      Running at 1080p to match the PS4 code ( hence why they maxed up a 980Ti system. Do you really think a 750Ti would have been a good PC for a faceoff knowing that the 750Ti would have had to be med – high settings to run at 60fps solid?

    • Psionicinversion

      all the guy would have to do is drop to FXAA like the ps4 and it will be fine. Why would they use a extremely performance intensive option like SSAA when it cant even run the game at maximum settings, it makes no sense.

      Have you ever tried running witcher 1 or 2 with ubersampling (which is super sampling) on? it cripples GPU’s even now

    • Gamez Rule

      How to do know that PS4 isn’t using FXAA? If PS4 wasn’t using this or SSAA then why would Digital Foundry use a PC with those settings to match PS4 code

    • Psionicinversion

      its not matching ps4 in the AA setting its matching the resolution.

      The AA options are None, FXAA, FXAA+2x SSAA, FXAA+3x SSAA and FXAA + 4x SSAA.

      So your telling me the ps4 is basically rendering trine 3 at a massively high resolution internally and down sampling to 1080p hahaha yeah ok dude whatever.

      Like i said they are using a 980Ti with maximum everything to see the differences. But of course you just see what you want to see. You even thought it was running at max settings until i proved you wrong. Whats the point in it internally rendering much higher than 1080p when it still looks worse than the PC cus its missing texture detail, lower shadows, lower volumetrics etc its stupid

    • Gamez Rule

      “Sony’s console offers up native 1080p resolution, and *the use of post-process anti-aliasing provides a clean presentation overall*. There’s some sub-pixel shimmer, but on the whole there’s isn’t a huge gulf in image quality between the PS4 and PC versions in this area”

    • Psionicinversion

      FXAA is post processing and is a bit crap so SSAA can improve it but then FXAA destroys it cus FXAA basically blurs the edges making it a bit crap so the fact there is still a difference means it cant be running on the same settings

    • Psionicinversion

      incase you want a visual representation… scroll down the page to see screenshots… cant say its nearly the same after that

      http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1162388

    • Gamez Rule

      Yeah I was on that site lol.. But would still like to see a faceoff with this games using a 750Ti vs PS4

    • Psionicinversion

      if he removed the fxaa+2xssaa and go with fxaa same as ps4 (with the close up on AA pic on neogaf theres no way ps4 is using ssaa the pc version is far sharper and cleaner) and then probably used high settings which should overall match the PS4 should be able to push 60fps no problem, might still even be able to do it on very high. Thats the problem the settings on Trine 3 is just very low, low, medium, high, very high theres no way to change detail level of individual settings but obviously with console they can set all that individually cus your not allowed to change them.

    • Gamez Rule

      Would just like to point out that 1080p has been around before last gen, and would like to point out that still to this day not all PCs can play all games maxed out at 1080p/60fps something I’ve been stating for ages, so why would consoles need to do so this gen.

      Truth is enjoy gaming on a phone if that’s what makes you happy but people need to stop with all the *Consoles are crap compared to PCs / PC’s destroy the consoles even more than they do currently* etc and the denial of PS4 not being the more wanted console this gen via the consumer when compared to Xbone.

    • Psionicinversion

      well if things like resolution isnt a problem why do sites constantly report on it, well its died off a fair bit now compared to the start (even though it is purely done for clickbait and fuelling the console war) and the fanboys make such a big deal of it. The main thing that gets on my nerves is they constantly spread BS about you need to spend $1000 or more on a pc to match the consoles graphical capability (some of them say you need to spend $2000) and of course all PC gamers are pirates, thats what ive been hearing alot of xbox fanboys say when talking well crying about recore coming to PC yet i bet you Recore doesnt crack 1 million the first week in xbox sales cus they dont even buy there own exclusive games. Just like PS4 owners and proof is sales vs console amount

    • Michael Norris

      Lol you are right sir.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Forza’s still missing features from last gen games. And Halo’s dynamic resolution rarely keeps it at 1080.

      lmao.

    • Gamez Rule

      “This is one of the reasons that the XBox One is the only place for next
      gen gaming. Having the only consistent 1080p/60 FPS experience”

      Nope not at all. Trine 3: The Artifacts of Power = soild 1080p/60fps ( with 3D )

      As for Forza 6 not every Xbone user is happy with it ( see vid )

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0cpn46SMGk

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRDcUjNwd5Y

  • Gamez Rule

    All good news for Xbone gamers no matter how little it seems at the moment

  • Katana Man

    Xbone does not have a better cpu. Out of desperation Microsoft overclocked it’s cpu to help in get a little closer to ps4. This article lies.

    • Edonus

      Well….. its clocked higher and has RAM that works better with it. How is that not better?

    • Katana Man

      How us ram that is slower work better?

    • Gamez Rule

      Think people forget that PS4 also uses DDR Ram as well as GDDR RAM.

    • Matt

      256mb mostly dedicated to the ARM chip that does background downloads…

    • Gamez Rule

      You did mean 256MB didn’t you? PS4’s secondary processor can be used for other things to and has been said that the DDR 3 RAM in PS4 will free up resources from the CPU.

    • GHz

      All I have to say is good luck to both platforms when its time to show off games with more complex scenarios.

    • Matt

      DDR3 is optimized for CPU

      GDDR5 is optimized for GPU

      DDR3 – Lower bandwidth and faster latency

      GDDR5 – Higher Bandwidth and slower latency

      Bandwidth – Amount of data that can be sent over a specific bus

      Latency – How fast that data is transferred and written

      The XB1 CPU works better with DDR3 while the GPU does not

      The PS4 GPU works better with GDDR5 while the CPU does not

    • Gamez Rule
    • Matt

      Biased considering it’s a bolster article based off of one benchmark test that doesn’t go into any detail about the testing conditions.

    • Gamez Rule

      Wouldn’t say biased as IF it was they wouldn’t have shown PS4 being beaten by the i7. It was a test to show the CPU processing and data management speeds. You are correct in saying that little detail is known about testing conditions, but other sites have been stating simular tests like Extreme Tech.

      We know the Xbone has the faster CPU but as we know a faster CPU doesn’t make it better than a slower one ( depends on CPUs ) and both consoles have freed up an extra CPU for developers, but no matter what is said or done we also know that when it comes to gaming PS4 takes the edge in gaming needs which has been shown by real-world-comparisions & face-offs.

    • Gamez Rule

      There is *approximately a 9% percent difference between the CPU speeds within PS4 and Xbone*, ( at the moment ) but isn’t it funny how some people think that the PS4’s 40-50% GPU advantage is nothing and not a big deal while those same people think that a 9% CPU difference is really impressive. PMSL!

    • GHz

      If it was a big deal we wouldnt get situations such as this. Face-Off: The Crew: Wild Run

      http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-the-crew-wild-run-face-off

      It boils down to code, rendering technique. The numbers dont have any real significance outside of a bar graph. You have to let the games do the talking. And when you look @ AAAALLLLLLLL the games from both sides, you can come to the conclusion that PS4 have no real advantage power wise.

    • Gamez Rule

      In your opinion PS4 has no real advantage power wise, but when seeing real-world-comparisions in games between the two consoles ( doesn’t matter if using exclusives or third party games ) PS4 shows gamers it’s the better console for gaming, and that’s my opinion

    • GHz

      not my opinion at all. We learn this from the devs themselves. You totally shut that fact out. If how you want to summarize things was the absolute truth, 3rd party games like Face-Off: The Crew: Wild Run wouldnt exist to defy the popular belief. Anyway you look @ it you have to deal with reality and not your feelings. Explain Face-Off: The Crew: Wild Run then. How does all those numbers help here?

    • Gamez Rule

      Wow lets judge the PS4 on this game and ignore every other games on Xbone.. But anyway after update Xbone has advantage but like DF stated “So there’s still the sense that the title needs some further refinement,”

      So The Crew:Wild Run doesn’t make use of either consoles advantages really and is only one game out of many on the market.

      Explain why PS4 has more 1080p games than Xbone IF there wasn’t a power difference that mattered to gaming needs,

    • GHz

      And thats the thing, I dont ignore EVERY OTHER GAME LIKE YOU DO. Thats why I keep stressing ALLLLLLLLLLLL games. What language do you speak?

      Ignoring the the exceptions is EXACTLY what youre doing. And I’m just pointing out, that if this was based on a scientific experiment, you’d fail because you wouldnt want to acknowledge the instances where youre theory proves wrong.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Thing is: developing isn’t an EXACT science.

      If this WERE a scientific experiment, you’d have to take into account all the other games beyond the ONE you mentioned that both consoles have in common.

      We know for a fact that console games tend to lean one way or another. They always perform better on one console. Usually, it’s the more powerful or less complicated hardware that gets the better version. It’s not true every time, as seen by Final Fantasy XIII and other multiplats late in last gen.

      It’ll NEVER be true every time. Science is different here, again, as we don’t have the same developers every time, making every game. Instead, what we’ve got are games common to both consoles that we can use as a comparison.

    • GHz

      “Thing is: developing isn’t an EXACT science.”

      But you treat it as if it is when you only want to point out 3rd part games that perform better on the PS4 & neglecting 1st party games, or 3rd party game specifically built for the XB1. You act like those games dont exist because they prove that the two systems arent that far apart.

      Ask yourself, why an old game like The Fallen can only run 900p on XB1 while a new game like Rise of the Tomb Raider runs @ 1080p while looking way better? Simple question! What did Crystal Dynamics did that those other devs couldnt?

      If you are the developers who created The fallen, you’d want to know what CD did to get the performance increase. Right? Now the example above isn’t the whole story, there are other factors at play. In the end, when all is settled, we’re looking at two consoles that do things slightly different to achieve better visuals and frame rates. By the end of this gen, there will be no difference in visual fidelity in 3rd party games. If you cant see that, then by all means keep believing what you want to believe.

    • J.j. Barrington

      -sigh-

      No, stupid. I’m not acting like anything.

      You can’t make comparisons with games that don’t have an equal on both consoles. You can’t use an exclusive to say the XB1 is as powerful, because there wouldn’t be an identical game on PS4 to compare it to.

      Lords of the Fallen- unless you mean some other game I can’t find with “fallen” in the name- is more than a year old, meaning it’s likely to look worse, anyway, as devs get more and more familiar with the hardware. Looking at the developer, they haven’t made any graphically outstanding games in the past, anyway, so why expect better than a newer game out of them? For that matter, it’s the only game they’ve made on the XB1. Meanwhile, CD has more games under their belt, more experience with the hardware, and a record of better-looking games.

      And did it ever occur to you that City Interactive(Lords of the Fallen developers) may just not be as good at developing games?

      Again, you’re comparing two different games from two different developers who took two different approaches. It makes no sense to use these games as an example.

      By the way, with TR being a multiplat, it’s not as if those graphics are exclusive to the XB1.

      Lastly, there WON’T be parity. Hardware differences- and there’s no dev that says there isn’t such a thing- won’t go away, and the XB1 obviously isn’t the only console getting updates to make it more efficient.

      There’s no bridging ANY gaps here.

    • GHz

      Ok so now I’m stupid, for pointing out a situation where one 3rd party couldnt achieve better overall performance on XB1 while, another did? So when I make the point that by the end of this gen games will visually look the same, comparing the 2 games is NOT a good example?

      Either way you look @ it, what we’re looking at is that XB1 is capable of doing the things you all claim it cant! The underlining conclusion, which you help bring to light is that parity is inevitable.

      Because you recognize….

      a)”devs get more and more familiar with the hardware.”

      b) ” different developers who took two different approaches.” In other words different devs will use different approaches. Hence Rise of TR superior presentation over LOF.

      So logic dictates that using 3rd party examples to prove XB1 is weaker is just plain dumb. Your other points/reasons you mentioned may be more accurate! Like “And did it ever occur to you that City Interactive(Lords of the Fallen developers) may just not be as good at developing games?”

      I’m not one to judge their qualifications but that’s a possibility. And that got nothing to do with the prowess of either system, especially the XB1, because where one developer failed, the other succeeded.

      You’re pretty much contradicting yourself in so many ways. Obvious signs of stupidity. 😉

    • J.j. Barrington

      “XB1 is capable of doing the things you all claim it cant!”

      What things are those?

    • GHz

      Naw, Common sense can answer that now. I caught you contradicting yourself. Dont try to hop unto another subject. You PS4 fanatics are good for that. You lose. Crown yourself King Stupid. Thats what you get for calling me names. 😉

    • J.j. Barrington

      My god, you fail.

      That’s not something you can answer by saying “Common sense.” That’s a copout because you know you’ve got nothing.

      WHERE is the contradiction? Comparing two different games by two different devs alone tells you nothing; looking at an entire library of third party games, however, tells you quite a bit about which console devs are getting the most out of. When the results consistently turn out in favor of one set of hardware, you know one of two things, as I’ve said before: either that hardware is more powerful, or it’s much easier to use.

      We know the PS4 is more powerful.

      Even if you’re in denial about it.

      I had hoped you might be more than the typical Xbox fanboy, but that last response of yours pretty much dashed those hopes. You’ll continue to wallow in your ignorance; I just won’t bother with responding to your stupidity from now on.

      One thing that’s a real annoyance is dealing with stupid people like you who pretend they’re intelligent.

    • Gamez Rule

      Agreed.

      No matter what’s said or done PS4 is leading this gen. Not only in world-wide-sales but also in the gaming department and the support from developers ( be that indie etc ). The PS4 is a better gaming console when compared to Xbone not only in hardware specs but also in Real-World-Comparisions to.

      Granted PS4 doesn’t hold every game classed as better, but most of PS4 games have higher resolution etc.

    • Gamez Rule

      “Again, you’re comparing two different games from two different
      developers who took two different approaches. It makes no sense to use
      these games as an example.”

      Agreed. I’ve said this before to but it falls on deaf ears so to speak.

      Example = What console holds the most multi-plats? What console gets better support for those multi-plats..What console holds the better quality multi-plats?..These questions seem to be answered by PS4 ( sales show they could be correct too )

    • Gamez Rule

      Explain why PS4 has more 1080p games than Xbone and have more in-game details than Xbone IF there wasn’t a power difference that mattered to gaming needs

    • GHz

      I don’t need to. The developers already did. But you don’t want to listen to what they had to say. The latest bit of info on that was ending this year when Eurogamer came clean on the whole issue of what a “superior image” means. 1080p or better Anisotropic filtering @ lower res. You look it up. Its all there in black in white. PS4 does 1080p @ a cost! The developers explained it. 1080p doesn’t = a superior image. They explained this. But you wont listen. Now thisnt always the case, but it was more evident in 3rd party games!

      Eurogamer in the end tried to make amends for the miseducation of gamers on the 1080p issue. Phil was right all along. It’s up to the devs. Hence the reason while you had games looking sharper on the PS4, but the XB1 visuals actually looked better. Those who paid attention knew this from the beginning. This miseducation is what some gamers like me fought against. And to have Eurogamer finally coming clean was a shock! So affective now, Your information is outdated.

      I wont link you to that article because you and @jjbarrington:disqus don’t want to hear the truth anyways. I’m taking great pleasure in knowing that you both are extremely ignorant. 😀

    • J.j. Barrington

      Many cases? Which “many cases?” Is there even one?

      MOST CASES HAVE THE PS4 VERSION LOOKING AND PERFORMING BETTER.

      Stop with your bullshit.

    • Gamez Rule

      Wonder why he wouldn’t answer these questions..

      “Explain why PS4 has more 1080p games than Xbone IF they don’t have more support from developers?

      Explain why PS4 can have more in-game details compared to Xbone ( in same games ) IF there wasn’t a power difference that mattered to gaming needs?”

      And IF resolution isn’t the deciding factor for image quality then why are PC people laughing at 720p, and why have many gamers bought a new console or gaming PC etc.

      Does resolution really matter? I say yes to the person buying, example would you buy a PS3 or PS4, PS3 plays a under 720p, PS4 plays 1080p ( same game )?

    • Gamez Rule

      Agreed..

    • Mark

      Lemme get that link on your spare time….I already know resolution isn’t the deciding factor for image quality,
      But I wanna hear EuroGamer’s 2cents.

    • GHz

      Here you go. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-vs-texture-filtering-on-console

      What’s revealing about the article is that Euro-gamer usually don’t know what they are talking about. When developers find the time, they correct the inaccurate assumptions Eurogamer are known for. Keep in mind this topic, have been included in game face off by more tech savvy analysts like NX gamer. He challenged one of Eurogamers in depth analyses cause he found it to be inaccurate. I think he may be the reason why Eurogamer decided to finally write an article about texture filtering.

    • J.j. Barrington

      And why are you using one game as an example? What about every other multiplat that has shown more consistent, better performance on PS4?

      Why would you treat every single other game like it doesn’t exist, just to use ONE game that partially supports your claim?

    • GHz

      I did say ALLLLLLLL games on both sides. When you look at them all, 1st 2nd, & 3rd party games, you find games in 1st party that accomplish the things 3rd party devs find difficulty doing on the XB1. Like you dont question why games like The Fallen runs only 900p on XB1, while Rise of the Tomb raider runs @ 1080p and looks way better. hence the reason 3rd party games cannot be the marker to accurately judge the strengths of the systems. Thats why you have some Devs that recognize that these systems are not too different. Coding for specifics is everything. This shouldnt frighten you and @gamezrule:disqus

    • J.j. Barrington

      Nobody’s frightened. We’re just wondering why you’re painting a picture based on one game.

      By the way, I didn’t say ALLLLLLLLL games, either. I specifically chose multiplats, since we can compare those games as they have version on multiple platforms. Of course exclusives take better advantage of the hardware; that’s as true for PS4 as for XB1.

      Which is why third party games ARE the marker.

    • Gamez Rule

      Correct I’ve been stating this for ages.

    • Robert Manser

      Omg thank you!! Someone who actually knows something without being a Google Chair Bandit! Remember we are talking to tweens and uneducated adults when talking Processing Hardware and memory.

    • Larry Rose

      And yet the ps4 performs alot better. Go figure…

    • Edonus

      You clearly know nothing about this subject…slower and faster isn’t really the right term the media has just miss educated you. Speed is actually determined by the clock speeds of the GPU and CPU which the Xbox One is clocked faster in both.
      Gddr5 ram has a bigger pipeline for data so going from point A to B would mean in one cycle it can deliver more data. But all those lanes have to be filled. This work great for your GPU because texture data takes up tons of bandwidth… this is why it easy for Ps4 to hit resolution goals. But a CPU doesn’t require large amounts of data like a GPU so the fact that it takes longer to fill the lanes works against Gddr5 ram working with CPUs.
      Ddr3 ram is made for CPUs it loads fast and moves the data fast and since CPUs only need a fraction of the data Ddr3 ram work great. That is why Ddr3 ram is the standard in PCs…. There is no PCs that uses Gddr5 ram as its main memory. Add this to like I said the X1 is clocked higher in GPU and CPU Ddr3 ram is optimal for what the X1 excels at.
      Yes there are advantages of Gddr5 ram but its not on the CPU side and that is a different topic all together.

    • Katana Man

      Oh so it’s not being filled when ps4 is consistently 1080p or 900p with 60fps, when most xbox games 720p and 30 fps?

    • Edonus

      That is something completely different then what a CPU does. And there is like 8 games on the Xbox that run 720p (and it actually doesn’t run 720p)…. but you are off topic and must be a pony to even write most Xbox games are at 720p. The highest performing game on the PS4 1080p 60fps the highest performing game on the X1 is 1080p 60fps. The gaming media lied to you and are raping you stop letting them take advantage of you.

    • J.j. Barrington

      And with almost NO exceptions, every game on XB1 performs better on PS4.

      Your delusions are laughable.

    • Katana Man

      I think I’d prefer a better gpu. Also they have the same cpu. Xbone is overclocked that’s all. Desperately needed it. The important games are always higher rez and framerate on ps4 90 percent of the time.
      Gpu is more important then cpu for games. That’s why console gpu’s are practically tablet cpu’s now.

    • Edonus

      But this article and conversation is about the CPU so your love of GPUs is out of place here. GPU is not more important than a CPU….. in any engineering course one of the first things you learn is a system is only as strong as its weakest part.
      “Console GPUs are Tablets CPUs?” that doesnt make any sense at all. They are two completely different things that do two completely different things. The gaming media has been miseducating the consumer so much his gen its sad.
      Ps4 actually has higher resolutions because of the ease of its design and devs are still using old engine and old techniques. Thats why people dont realize just how great these systems are.

    • Katana Man

      Engineering course lol. Quit while you are ahead. Google jaguar 8 core benchmark. You will find it was originally designed for ultrathin laptops and “tablets” Now back to your console peasant. Stop making yourself look like a tard. Lol engineering degrees, in what? Master bs assembly?

    • J.j. Barrington

      If that’s the case, why are the games not showing it? Could it be possible that many other factors render that slight advantage moot?

    • Edonus

      But they are…….. Sunset Overdrive has points with massive counts of enemies and happenings on screen compared. Dead Rising had a 1000 zombies on screen at once, AC Unity was focused on large crowds and atmosphere and ran better on the X1….. The thing is IGN doesn’t ram it down your throat so you wouldn’t know. But they told you that the resolution differences are there so you believe it is the start all end all.
      Look at all the rape victims that agree with you its sad how you have been taken advantage of.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Sunset Overdrive isn’t a multiplat, and while it does look quite nice, it’s far from the most graphically demanding game even on the XB1. Dead Rising was and is notorious for framerate drops in the teens, and stayed closer to 20fps than the targeted 30.

      Unity suffered bugs that dropped the framerate below 10fps on XB1, and was a jittery mess on all platforms. It’s hilarious that you use this game as an example of Xbox superiority when it’s so bad overall.

      “They told you that the resolution differences are there.” lmao, because they are there. You can let your fanboy goggles blind you to that, but that’s just you sticking your fingers in your ears.

    • Robert Manser

      Do you even understand what overclocking is or means?? Googling doesn’t make you smart! A bachelor’s in computer science will help you not Google the rest of your life.

    • Mark

      Lol

    • shredenvain

      True that Xb1 and Ps4 have the same CPU architecture. The reason people say the Xb1 CPU is better boils down to the difference in available bandwidth to the CPUs.

      The Xb1 has more than double the available bandwidth. It also has a higher clock speed, but the bandwidth means more.

      If you take 2 of the same CPUs and run them at the same clock speed, but limit the available bandwidth to one of them one will out perform the other.

  • Jdrm03

    Pffff, does this guy not know about the stacked gpu and hidden Titan black gpu in the power brick?

    Seriously, though, isn’t this exactly what we have heard from Microsoft. The biggest benefit of dx12 for the xb1 will be cpu bound games.

  • GHz

    Interesting read. Always good to get the OPINION of a developer. And even better, another positive one.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Except for the part where it doesn’t even make sense.

    • GHz

      Which part of his professional opinion doesn’t make sense?

    • J.j. Barrington

      Whose professional opinion is this?

      “It’s already known for a while that the Xbox One has a better CPU than the PS4, something that Sony have been trying to optimize via their own SDK updates.”

    • Terminator

      Xbox One CPU is stronger than the PS4.Fact.

    • J.j. Barrington

      It’s the same CPU with a supposedly higher clock speed. Only we don’t know how high the clock speed is on the PS4. Rather nebulous for a fact.

    • Tech junkie

      Your fan boy is showing

    • J.j. Barrington

      Talking to yourself while looking in a mirror again, eh?

    • Tech junkie

      What am I a fanboy of? I play xbox, Playstation, Nintendo and PC?

      So please explain 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      Sure you do. So many fanboys use the unprovable “I play everything” excuse, even while being a fanboy in every comment they make.

    • Tech junkie

      So what is it you think I’m a fan boy of?

    • J.j. Barrington

      What, indeed?

    • Tech junkie

      Quick, don’t adress the subject and try to be clever to stop yourself from looking dumb.

      Oh wait too late. 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      Keep failing.

    • Tech junkie

      What exactly am I failing at?

      You are the one ignoring subjects looking like a moron 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      Lol, of course.

    • Tech junkie

      Good reply, shows your strong argument well 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      Cuz that’s what your responses require? A strong argument? I’ve been shutting you down left and right so far; I figured I’d go easy on you, and maybe you’d stand a chance in a battle of wits.

      Sadly, you still don’t measure up.

    • Tech junkie

      I’m begging you to give me your best you have nothing, know nothing and are half as smart as you think you are. Just a pathetic fool really 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      “You are clever have no wit,” huh?

      Yup, definitely the person to tell others about their intelligence.

    • Tech junkie

      Typing on my phone don’t care to fix mistakes. If you aren’t smart enough to figure out I meant “are not” and not “are”. Not my problem 🙂

      You clearly have more invested into this than I ddo

    • GHz

      Oh you’re talking about Rashid Sayed of Gamingbolt pointing out 2 things. I thought you were talking about Funcom’s creative director Joel Bylos

      So lets look @ what Rashid pointed out then…

      1) the Xbox One’s CPU being boosted from 1.6GHz to 1.75GHz — 150MHz, or just under 10%.

      And…

      2) How Sony have been busy optimizing the PS4, which the latest must be referring to the 7th core being available to devs one way or the other.

      Which one doesn’t make sense?

    • J.j. Barrington

      It’s false when you combine them together to imply something that isn’t true.

      Don’t be one of those fanboys.

    • GHz

      WHAT? Combine them together? All he did was point out 2 things. How do you go about misunderstanding that? he even linked you to a separate article discussing the other half of his point. So Whats the problem?

    • J.j. Barrington

      He made one statement the result of the other. Sony upgrading the SDK because the CPU is somewhat stronger in the XB1.

      So what about increasing the clock speed on the XB1? Why did MS do that? Why is Microsoft improving their SDK? Why did Sony improve the PS3 SDK? Or the PS2 SDK? Or the PS1 SDK?

      In response to more powerful hardware in other consoles?

      Or because that’s what you do over the life of a console?

      You’re making yourself look like a dumbass.

    • GHz

      “He made one statement the result of the other. Sony upgrading the SDK because the CPU is somewhat stronger in the XB1.”

      Dude thats your feelings talking. He only pointed out that XB1 “has a better CPU” which we all know just runs a wee bit faster, and then continues to point out that is what Sony is trying to optimize as well, the PS4’s CPU. Thats all. No need for all the crying and hate.

    • J.j. Barrington

      When you’re making separate points, you make them separately.

      When you say “something which Sony has been trying to optimize,” you directly say that it’s in response to the first half of the sentence.

      This is basic English. Are you not capable of that much?

    • GHz

      Dude you’re way too emotional. You wanted to see that because you just wanted to argue about something. Nothing wrong with what the man wrote. It was simple. To paraphrase, XB1 has a better CPU, something (PS4 CPU) Sony have been trying to optimize. That’s a true statement. Done.

      You just being overly dramatic over nothing.

    • J.j. Barrington

      lol, no. “Paraphrasing” in order to change the definition of what was said doesn’t change what was originally said. It’s definitely misleading.

    • GHz

      The only person insisting on changing the meaning of what was said is you. Stop it dude. Nothing deep about what the man said.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Who said it was deep?

  • Jason Mounce

    “Widen the gap” ? What gap? The difference of 0.15Ghz? lmfao. You think that’d even give you a noticeable difference in a game?

    It’d help CLOSE the Gap that’s present, in the benefit of PS4. A stronger GPU will trump a barely-improved CPU any day.

    • dametreas foster

      thts what i been trying to tell you polnies about 1080p and 900p cnt tell difference

    • J.j. Barrington

      Polnies? Not only are you lying about being able to see resolution difference, but you can’t even spell the insult correctly?

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    • Jason Mounce

      It’s hard to tell the difference, however, that doesn’t escape the fact that most X1 users paid More, for Less.

      That, and historical relativity being brought up. Xbox 360 and PS3 had the ‘visual wars’ with 360 trumping PS3 and Xbots digging about how 360 had ‘more pixels’ or better fidelity than PS3 multiplats and Sony fans/fanboys had to deal with it.

      Now it’s just the Xbox fanboys have to deal with it and not be crybabies over it, or become deluded to the simple fact that PS4 is simply, more powerful. All this ‘Magic Sauce’ that Microsoft and X1 keeps pushing is always the same nonsense, they stopped talking about TEH CLOUD and then it went to TEH DX12! and all that. Promises over Actions. Words and smokes and mirrors over fact.

    • Robert Manser

      WOW you are F’N stupid!! Everything you just said makes absolutely no sense.

    • ImOnaDrugCalledSheen

      Just because you cant accept it Robert, doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense.

    • Larry Rose

      WOW you’re a fanboy that can’t accept the truth. Ty[pical x1 owner, insecure.

    • Jason Mounce

      Consider this, you fail to understand something someone says, but claim they are stupid – yet you’re the individual who failed to understand or perceive something properly? You may as well be a child in school who does not understand math, the professor gives you an equation you don’t understand, so you retort by calling the professor Stupid due to your own incompetence.

      Comprehend? Halfwit.

    • Gamez Rule

      ♦I’ve posted once I’ll post it again♦☺

      Last Gen Xbox fanboys = “360 multi-plats have better resolutions,frame-rates, so PS3 multi-plats suck! And that’s where gaming matters”

      Now it’s ☺☺☺

      Current gen Xbone fanboys = “I can’t even tell the difference between 720p & 1080p multi-plats, we play games and don’t care about resolution, or frame-rates, it’s not a big deal” ( and it’s not all about multi-plats either )

      LMFAO!..☺☺☺

    • Jason Mounce

      Of all the generations that I’ve been in, I always remember each trope, and what happens to the community. It’s odd to me that most of the fanboys become completely retarded, ignorant and ‘forget’ what happens. They forget about the Game Drought after every beginning launch, they forget about game delays and the point of it. They forget about which side had what pros/cons – and the fanboys go into some kind of denial about how mentally-challenged they were on Boasting their ‘platform of choice’.

      It is as you say, as it’s typically also what I say. It didn’t help with last-gen also introducing the ‘Visual Comparison’ videos on DF or Gametrailers, who compared games and used magnifying glasses on still screens and counted pixels to games like ‘Resistance vs Gears of War 1’ even with different genres. The Xbots ate it all up, being proud that their console was easier to develop, was cheaper, had better online, and not as useless RAM. 2006-2008 were the years that PS3 fanboys had to deal with their onslaught, though after that it calmed down since PS3 gradually picked up the pace, comically ending up being 2nd place in the race. Now, PS4 leads, where 360 had lead. PS4 fanboys are getting revenge for what they had to deal with last-gen, X1 fanboys are upset and reacting hypocritically as if they Never had used ‘Visual Boasts’ about their 360 last-gen, and this ignorance-cycle repeats.

    • Cenk Algu

      Jesus another clueless.Please people stop it if you have zero information about technical stuff.The damm PS4 does not have a stronger GPU as well.

    • Larry Rose

      ps4 gpu is alot better than the xbones. Your in denial smokey!

    • Cenk Algu

      ROFLMAO and that mighty PS4 have to seperate 4CU as GPGPU otherwise the games would be running under 15fps.Did you know that? So remove 4CU GPU power in that benchmark and see the same results with the XO.Clueless people are ignorants:)

    • Why should you remove “4CU GPU power”? Do you even know what you are talking about?

    • Cenk Algu

      yes,yes I do.

    • Jason Mounce

      Just ignore him, he’s ‘Special’.

    • Jason Mounce

      Your ignorance is inconceivable. Just go look at the bloody spec sheet for each console, if you even have the mental capacity to understand numbers you halfwit.

    • Edonus

      The problem with that is a spec sheet doesn’t tell you how the parts work together. That is one of the gripes I have with the gaming media this gen. They told everyone that since the X1 and Ps4 have x86 architectures and some of the same components that they work the same. That is 100% wrong.

    • Jason Mounce

      Well, in some ways I understand what you’re saying, companies tend to use Custom cards where sometimes they don’t release the full details, or we just have to make a ‘comparison’. Though, I don’t know what it is you’re specifically referring to since I’d say we know everything about the specs?

      How they work together could only be either elaborated by a ‘Pro’ aka a Developer, maybe Naughty Dog for PS4, or Cerny, since he made it and clearly knows how it works. I haven’t watched any of his conversations so I’d not be sure if he fully explains the reasoning for the hardware beyond the obviousness.

    • Truth™

      And the GPU in both are garbage so you end up with nothing but two underpowered trash consoles

      It’s pathetic, really

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/46416edcedbddef5fdcaf4c629b4d80e60db002210dac4ff5be3a1a32be4afc1.png

    • Jason Mounce

      The GPU – in contrast to ‘PC GPUs’ on the market could be labelled as ‘Medium-Grade’ GPU’s, however, the fact remains that the cards they have are no doubt stronger than what majority of the PC market even has because we have to remember, PC Elitists are (Thankfully) a minority, there are more people with Integrated GPU’s with their CPU from Intel and ‘low/medium’-end users than High-end users as Steam Hardware Survey shows.

      With that said. Current-gen hardware can arguably run games that look better than PC, not due to better hardware of course, but because the style of developing for static hardware vs diverse amounts of hardware shows benefits. Driveclub and Uncharted 4 can be examples (when shown properly, the games of which you Fear and target the most) example PC visuals that barely exist, because PC developers that make visually-impressive games that are highly acclaimed are a rarity now. Past 10-20 games I’ve likely bought on Steam were Indie games, retro games or games that just were ‘meh’ like Resident Evil Revelations 2, a game that looks like it has PS3 graphics on the PC, yet was released in 2015.

    • Jacob S

      It is because Devs know what they are optimizing for- every PS4 and every X1 has the same specs. The PS4 or X1 still couldn’t run Crysis 3 on max settings -no way- Battlefield, Ryse, Titanfall had to be dumbed down work on consoles.
      They should be able to optimize the for the system and get the best graphics they can- PC should have scalable graphics, PS4 and X1 should be optimized with devs taking advantage of GPU speed and offloading / actually utilizing the esram and remote processing.
      Its just lazy devs pushing out crap that works across every platform to improve build times. This is why 1st party games always trashes 3rd party games, because of game optimization. PC suffers most with 3rd party games and are held back by consoles.

    • Truth™
    • Jason Mounce

      I’m sure when it comes to hardware and technology, you’re as clueless as they come.

    • Truth™

      You defend the POS4 and its sub par performance. You haven’t the slightest idea.

    • Jason Mounce

      I don’t defend, nor attack inanimate objects like you.

      I defend that which I see as unjust, or illogical people running amok and being mentally-challenged without a leash. Or in a nutshell, I defend and attack those who’re illogical or idiotic, you just happen to fit those prerequisites.

    • Truth™

      Awwwww. Poor shill is crying because I called a trash console what it is. Trash 🙂

    • Jason Mounce

      Whatever illusions makes the starving child sleep better at night with an empty stomach? Sleep tight.

    • Jacob S

      The CPU has a higher clock speed, uses ddr3 ram instead of gddr5 and MS just has it optimized better. The CPU IS the PS weak point. They had to use a 2nd processor to help speed up even the UI. This is why the PS has FR issues- it may have a better GPU but the game starts and ends in the CPU.

    • is4u2p

      Developers have shown this since the launch of the console.

      The PS4 was capable of something like 83 NPCs on screen at one time and the Xbox one CPU could put 115 NPCs on. This was strictly measuring the CPU and contrary to popular opinion they are not the same CPU.

      Also, the Xbox One CPU was heavily dependent on the first core when using DX11 but the balance of the DX12 optimizations make the Xbox One CPU about 20% better in terms of output so expect that 115 NPCs to be about 140 when running DX12.

      Sony uses their extra GPU power to supplement the CPU and that’s what the other post was referring to when he said Sony had to reserve 4 CUs to match the Xbox One.

      Basically, they will both be running 1080P games for the rest of this generation.

    • Jason Mounce

      Running theoretical tests on singular pieces of hardware like ‘NPC’s on a CPU’ is, redundant. Unless I’m mistaken about where this test of yours comes from. It’s not a game? So, it’s a useless statistic to boast a ‘feature/strength’ that in Applicable situations, is meaningless. Say for instance, if it were ‘Assassins Creed #’ and it was multiplat, and, X1 could hold 100 clueless NPC’s on the streets and PS4 is 80 and Both consoles had the same resolution, details, shaders and same AI programming without developer techniques of stupefying those NPC’s the further away from them you go as most do with draw-distance model variables.

      While it is true that DX12 will help optimize CPU’s in many regards, it still is not something I’ll believe as much as developers and Microsoft are letting on. We need evidence and Actions (Gameplay/games) to portray the Statistics/specs, or else the Statistics are as I put it at the beginning, useless.

      Sony does use the GPU advantages for their favour alongside the GDDR5 while X1 has the typical 8GB DDR3 which is all for CPU synchronization and fancy-dancy stuff. However, the ‘Boost’ for the CPU and the other bottlenecks combined? I don’t really see it getting as big of a boost as people are trying to believe in, I’ll leave myself open to being proven wrong, if given proper evidence but….to me? It’s all still smokes and mirrors until I see a Competent developer make a GOOD multiplatform game that, side-by-side looks the same, and the resolution is not ‘Subbed’ from what PS4 can do. Theorizing that X1 will ‘Catch up’ due to DX12 and that it will handle a leap from a ‘8-20% CPU gain’ with a pixel-count inferiority of 31% less pixels on-screen and the other usual differences in advanced visuals make me skeptical.

      So, in the end…. I’ll wait for gameplay from Third-party devs who can prove it. Though I’ll remain a skeptic before it happens :L

    • Mark

      Well I hear u Jason. I’m tired of hearing about what DirectX12 WILL DO, I wanna see all the features of it in ACTION, and detailed by a dev, specifically on the X1. However, I wont hold ma breath for it, as I’m already impressed visually with what the Xbox renders, from Tomb Raider, to Ryse and Qbreak. Needless to say, I just want this stuff to be over with. The games are what matters most, not simple hardware debates haha.

    • Jason Mounce

      Exactly. I was expecting to be called a Sony fanboy for that post. lmao.

      “YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN MAGIC SAUCE?! SONY PONY OMAGAWD!11!”

    • Gamez Rule

      “I’m tired of hearing about what DirectX12 WILL DO, I wanna see all the features of it in ACTION, and detailed by a dev, specifically on the X1”

      To be honest you’ll still hear excuses from some people about DX12 and gaming with Xbone IF the console falls short due to people’s gaming expeditions.

    • Mark

      Yeah I dont mind people discussing it, as in digging into the features it offers; A-sync Compute, Conservative Raster, Volume Tiled Resources, etc. I mean that’s actually fun to learn about. But when we get little snippets of stuff hear n there, from this dev or that, the picture gets muddy, and we’re left asking more questions than having answers, and that, is a large chunk of fuel for these console “wars”. And that makes some of these articles no fun for me. And yeah we’ll have to see what devs do with DX12, but I’m loving ma games, so it’s no big deal to me…

    • Gamez Rule

      Well said. I agree.

      Holding high hopes can lead to short falls, and until DX12 gets the lime light we can only guess how it will change gaming.

      I believe that DX12 will be better for PC gamers more so than Xbone users as the Xbone already uses low level API.

      Thing is some people believe that DX12 will allow Xbone to become more powerful than PS4? That’s unreal in my opinion, but once DX12 hits and games become made for it we will see the truth. But I’m enjoying my games as it is, so I’m not unhappy or in the need for DX12 as I’m having fun nowadays ☺

    • Edonus

      I think you mean Expectations (not expeditions, and if so). What expectations? The only difference between the console in game has been resolution and that only here and there. The reason is the tools and techniques developers use….. they are left over from last gen. When the new tools and engine are done it will make it easier to optimize like Ps4.
      The X1 has a more complex memory system than the Ps4. Ps4 delivers higher res now because the RAM going to the GPU can be filled and hold the framebuffer easy since its all just one chunk of memory. The X1 send data to the GPU mostly through eSram but the eSram is 4 chunks of 8mb. This means in some engines you will need to correctly split pieces of the frame buffer up and make sure they sync up.
      The only people that complain about the Xbox performance is SOny fanboys and the gaming media. I was blown away by Ryse at launch and I have never seen a game on the Ps4 multiplat or exclusive that made me think the Ps4 was delivering a better experience.

    • Gamez Rule

      Yes expectations, I just noticed what I typed but now ( corrected ) thanks lol..

      What I meant by DX12 expectations is this. How some people believe that DX12 will allow Xbone to become more powerful than PS4, or that DX12 will open up hidden hardware within Xbone like a second GPU, or that all games will become 1080p / 60fps, etc Holding high hopes can lead to short falls that’s my experience.

      You bring up Xbone performance and people complaining, and that’s fine with your opinions but what you have to look at is that it’s not just complaints being made if or when a game runs poorly, so IF a game does infact run poorly it’s then become a fact / truthful. I’ll give an example with your game Ryse…

      Ryse dropped below 30fps most of the time and even hit below 20fps, even falling as low as 16fps in cases ( see pic ). Now I’m showing the truth and stating facts that Ryse run poorly. But some fanboys say that it’s lies or that it’s only non-Xbone gamers that care, etc.

      It doesn’t matter what is said the frames dropped all over the place within that game. ( I have MS / Sony / Nintendo / PC ) but the truth is the truth, and no amount of opinions can change facts. That’s how I see it.

      But if you enjoyed the game and liked the look of it that’s also good for you and that’s your opinion. If you believe Ps4 hasn’t been delivering a better experience than Ryse that’s also your opinion and that’s fine, but that doesn’t make it factual to other gamers.

    • Edonus

      Another opinion is the idea of “runs poorly”. I can say that in playing Ryse the combat was smoother to me than Bloodborne and Batman even with its frame drops (before the patches came). This is were design comes in because in Ryse during combat sequences which pretty much make up the game you are constantly going into slowdowns and speed ups. Even if you are dropping frames they are hidden in the moment by the nature of the game, Batman does this too. You would need frame counting programs to tell you its happening. So the term runs poorly implies the wrong message. In truth none of the games “run poorly” its just some run better than others and that is across the board. Not to mention fps is frames per second…. is it something you can see if you really look for it…. sure but we are talk about multiple things happening in less than 1 second….. In truth unless it completely freezes or does a complete stutter its not a big deal.
      It would be like saying Forza 6 runs better than Drveclub….. this would be incorrect because Driveclub keeps a solid 30fps. Even though Forza 6 runs at a higher frame rate it would be an exaggeration to say DC runs poorly. Now compare Ryse to AC Unity at launch…… AC Unity ran poorly but in truth it was still a good game it just had some big bugs but that is what happens when making the date is more important than making the game.

  • XbotMK1

    More lies and click-bait from Gamingbolt.

    “it’s already known for a while that the Xbox One has a better CPU than the PS4, something that Sony has been trying to omptimize via there own SDK updates”

    False. Both consoles feature an identical dual quadcore CPU based on the AMD Jaguar family with the same theoretical hardware performance peak. And here is what AMD stated regarding the PS4 APU…

    “We have not built an APU quite like that for anyone else in the market. It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date”

    The difference in performance that developers have achieved between the PS4 CPU and Xbox One CPU for games comes from more specific factors such as the API, clock speed, and how many cores are allocated to the OS and games. It depends on what your game is designed for and which API it is written for. Supposedly the Xbox One CPU has a higher clock speed by 9% after Microsoft upclocked it at the last minute while there appears to be no confirmation from AMD or Sony regarding the PS4 CPU clockspeed. Microsoft also took a portion of the Xbox One’s 7th CPU core away from the OS so it could be used for games, however it appears Sony did the same with the PS4 CPU. In some scenarios games have achieved better performance from the PS4 CPU and PS4 API while some games have achieved better performance from the Xbox One CPU and API.

    http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-CPU-More-Powerful-Than-Xbox-One-CPU-According-Benchmark-Test-61203.html

    Regardless, any sort of discrepancy between the PS4 CPU and Xbox One CPU won’t result in any meaningful advantages because both consoles are GPU bound. The CPUs are incredibly weak compared to the GPU. No amount of CPU tweaking in the Xbox One will make up for the PS4’s 50% compute unit advantage and four times the ACE unit advantage. And ironically DX12 allows for asynchronous compute while the PS4 has four times the ACE units.

    “Bylos further notes that DX12 will actually help the Xbox One widen it’s gap from the PS4 in terms of CPU processing power”

    It’s important to understand that he isn’t refering to hardware performance. He’s refering to game performance through optimization. He also stated this is his theory or opinion.

    His opinion is based off incomplete factors such as the fact that PS4 also has a low level API. What Bylos just stated could be said for games that are written for the PS4 API as well which could give the PS4 a CPU advantage. He is ignoring how the Xbox One already has a low level API with DX12 features. He also ignored that when multiplatform games are made, they’re made to be compatible accross multiple platforms that use different APIs. Multiplatform developers won’t use DX12 features that prevent games from being ported and even then the difference would be miniscule and the same can be applied to the PS4 API.

    Regardless, this DX12 misinformation and propaganda doesn’t change the fact that a low level API won’t eliminate the massive gap in hardware performance. You’re repeating DX12 articles while posting contradictory information and contributing nothing to what is already known about DX12. You’re just posting click-bait articles to drive views and controversy.

    • Starman

      STFU !!!!

    • XbotMK1

      Sorry Microsoft drone, you’re going to have to “deal with it”.

    • Gamez Rule

      Don’t worry about Starman, he sill believes that Forza 6 has full dynamic weather in real time in day and night cycles LMAO!

      The GPU in PS4 more than makes up for a low CPU. A lot of the workloads are transferred to the GPU, such as complex physics, etc, this means games aren’t as CPU intensive anymore ( or shouldn’t be CPU intensive nowadays )

      Plus the PS4 uses a dedicated audio chip which offloads the audio, as well as a secondary processor with 250MB RAM to deal with background tasks which yet again frees up the main CPU for more important things, such as games so on.

      Surely people know this?

    • GHz

      “We have not built an APU quite like that for anyone else in the market. It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date”

      Yup they said that, around the same time when they (AMD) also was telling everyone that DX12 didnt exist in any form and that DX11 was the last graphic API from MSFT. So how much exactly do they know about what’s inside MSFT right hand?

      Check your timeline. What are the updates since then? Let me refreshing your memory on how things are TODAY as appose to the old info that you’re holding on to.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6881f3a2436f2ec139264dcbbe8711a42fce5096aadb57e8521f3519ce769712.jpg

    • Xbox one 2econd gpu unlocking

      That’s why we agreed for the NDA to be in place.

    • XbotMK1

      I’m not interested in reading about your damage control or idiotic, delusional theories or lies Microsoft drone. Come back when you have actual facts.

    • GHz

      “Only ignorant people, or Microsoft drones liars are the ones hyping it up for Xbox One.”

      SO according to you and your infallible wisdom, AMD is ignorant, delusional & a bunch of liars for giving us a picture of what DX12 means on XB1? What about all the other devs like Joe Bylos who support the idea that DX12 will help XB1 some kind of way? They are are all delusional liars as well? So you want us to only agree with devs who dont think DX12 will help XB1. You dont want us to look at both sides, but wouldnt that be better? So who exactly is the drone here?

      “Come back when you have actual facts”

      But you’re the one going around saying things like…”No amount of CPU tweaking in the Xbox One will make up for the PS4’s 50% compute unit advantage and four times the ACE unit advantage.”

      So how do you explain (just to name a few) Destiny, The Crew, Assassins Creed Unity, Dark Souls 2, Far Cry 4, Fallout 4, Metro Redux & GTA 5 Remaster? Where is PS4s 50% there?

      What we all know is that you’re as smart as a bag of bricks, and shy away from the truth.

    • Cenk Algu

      ROFLMAO is cinemablend whom are die hard PS4 fans now became a reliable source haha.Truth hurts.

    • Larry Rose

      You want the truth. Go check digital foundry, 9 times out of 10 ps4 games run at a higher res and have better frame rates. Facts!

    • Cenk Algu

      hahaha which games are they? DF been proven wrong by NX Gamer many times.And those a few games on XO nothing but horrible PS4 ports.For example PC.That game even was not responding to controller commands haha.I see how devs took care the X1 version.Almost all of the OW Games running better on XO fact.Plus less detailed and no AF games looking very ugly.

      http://nebula.wsimg.com/b6c52658cc3ab50f5a0cb7a31f972d52?AccessKeyId=0F05C6D420D6261DD7F9&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

      Nice try.;)

    • Larry Rose

      Nonsense! Look at Star wars BF, higher res and better frame rate on ps4. Its the same with nearly every multiplat. Why? Because ps4 has better hardware. Simple fact you xboners can’t seem to grasp.

    • Cenk Algu

      haha blind fanboy.Just check the ss i sent.ROFLMAO!

    • Paul Mcdowall

      Well yeah you could be right the problem is this time its made using ps4 then transferred to xbox

    • Larry Rose

      Yeah, because the ps4 has better hardware.

    • Gamez Rule

      The Xbox One is weaker than PS4. Everyone knows this. Its a fact so why can’t people just accept it and enjoy the games instead of always looking forward to some secret sauce that will “unleash the hidden power?”☺

    • Larry Rose

      Neither are great, and disappointing in terms of power. At the very least both machines should be able to hit 30fps 1080p. Its 2015 ffs!

    • J.j. Barrington

      Numbers alone mean nothing.

      EVERY game could hit those marks, and higher ones, too. But devs choose not to do so. That’s a stupid barometer of what to consider powerful.

    • Larry Rose

      You say ‘dev’s choose not to do so’ and call my statement stupid?

    • J.j. Barrington

      Yes. Because it’s a developers choice whether they aim for those numbers, or put those resources into some other graphical effects, like lighting or particle effects.

      Surely you know that much?

    • Larry Rose

      I think its more down to time factor than anything else. Even though its happened alot this gen, i don’t think there’s many devs who decide to release their game with a frame rate dipping below 30fps. More to do with publisher dead lines and bad optimization.

    • J.j. Barrington

      I’m not talking about when they miss targets. I’m talking about the choice between 60fps and 30fps, between 1080p and 900p.

    • Larry Rose

      So am i. You try to sound all knowledgeable, but come across the opposite. You don’t think time and deadlines has anything to do with developing a game?

      I’m done talking to you.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Of course they do.

      The point is that when devs talk about their targets for framerate and resolution, they tend to make choices based on just how graphically intensive they want it to be.

      Even if they had unlimited time, there’s always the choice between higher resolution/framerate, or greater graphical effect. That decision is rarely affected by deadlines, unless they’re having some serious trouble.

      And while you SAY you were talking about what I was, the “frame rate dipping below 30fps” you mentioned is irrelevant. Every dev could dial back on the graphics to reach any numbers on fps or resolution, but they choose not to.

      Be done if you want, but at least get it right.

    • Gamez Rule

      They could hit that number if developers wanted to but as you know cut-backs would have to happy, but even PCs today cannot run all games at 1080p 30fps unless they to cut-back on settings.

      This is why I stated “Its a fact *so why can’t people just accept it and enjoy the games* instead of always looking forward to some secret sauce that will “unleash the hidden power”

    • Psionicinversion

      massive post which no one cares about!

    • J.j. Barrington

      And yet you deigned to make a comment.

    • Psionicinversion

      didnt even read it but i know already what it says as hes a commoner on here

    • J.j. Barrington

      And you STILL bothered to comment.

    • Truth™

      Xtreme Derp I see you still cannot stop damage controlling your garbage POS4 because once DX12 and Vulkan arrive. The gap between the low powered trash tier POS4 and Superior PC gaming will become light years as PC enters a new era of graphics and gameplay and you are playing downgraded uncharted rehashes

      No amount of screaming in comments sections and ratboy upvoting you can stop the POS4 looking like last gen trash 🙂

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b3c804b8d49713bd9030e75e3b40f4fce43eafbd70a2f726070f55e7d2273707.jpg

    • Jason Mounce

      Love how every screenshot you post about PS4’s games involve Jpg’ing the crap out of them with artifacts.

      What autism devotes a person to your task?

    • Gene

      I’m sure he’s a fake PC gamer. A salty Xbone fanboy.

    • Jason Mounce

      With people with such neurological problems, it’s hard to tell – not as if figuring out would be mindblowing. Humans do a lot of trivial, pointless stuff for trivial, pointless reasons. He’s just another one of them.

    • XbotMK1

      It doesn’t matter. He, or she, is just a habitual liar who hides behind a PC to fit his, or her, anti-Sony agenda while defending Xbox One and the Wii U, and only uses lies, hypocrisy, and irrelevant arguments for that agenda.

    • Truth™

      Awwww. Poor shill crying about the screenshots showing PS4 can’t do Anti-Aliasing or texture filtering https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2bee4021fc3112a695070b24ede803eedb9a96bd80a131f3204b2d4ce4cb72da.jpg

    • Gamez Rule

      Meanwhile here is the REAL deal from Driveclub bike racing

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbZnQ11ghHI

    • Jason Mounce

      Lol, the only way you can talk trash to people is after manipulating an image to look worse than it actually is, present it as ‘evidence’ and act like people believe you? Depraved little halfwit XD

      Remember, video games aren’t Photos.

    • Truth™

      And here come the tears after Unsharted 4 is proven to be downgraded trash.

      “MUH 8GB GDDR5! MUH CERNY!”

      Top kek, sonycucks.

    • Jason Mounce

      ‘Proven’ trash? By your doctored images? Lmfao.

      Top Kek indeed, you’re so desperate in this hobby of yours that it’s like you’re parodying yourself and Xbox/PC Elitists.

    • Truth™
    • Jason Mounce

      Love those 600×480 resolution jpeg-artifact-ridden screenshots 😛 No, wait, my bad, more like 144p/360p resolution

    • Gamez Rule

      Either way PC can’t play it at 240p lol

    • Jason Mounce

      Queue the “Uncharted 4 on PC!” being a blank image/screenshot.

    • XbotMK1

      I love how you keep replying to me and begging me for attention after I already destroyed you and told you why PC gaming has it’s flaws and consoles like the PS4 keep PC in check.

      You’re known here as the village idiot who does nothing but lies, spreads complete stupidity, tries to make PC seem perfect, accepts broken games, accepts online DRM, promotes piracy, accepts early access trash and other trash games and business practices, showed complete hypocrisy when Valve recently had a security mistake, and only attacks or lies about Sony and the PS4 but sucks off Microsoft and Nintendo.

      You are anti-Sony and a troll who only lies. You’re not even clever or funny. You’re just pond scum.

    • Truth™

      Poor deluded xtreme derp crying from being annihilated by me so many times before after being exposed shilling for Sony yet again. Keep crying and throwing feeces 🙂

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e5b2bd24468e0cd496722b3a4af69dbc74bb96fabb69c0fea925e30be3bd803a.png

    • Edonus

      The realness……. is……………….REAL.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Please tell me you’re not throwing your lot in with this clown.

      Though I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

    • Edonus

      Is this the denial stage or bargaining stage?

    • J.j. Barrington

      Making a deal with the idiot devil, I suppose.

    • Edonus

      Misdiagnosis….. this is clearly the anger stage.
      HAHAHA… now I am the devil. I am all hat is wrong with the world….. you crazy a$$ pony. They need to put you down and turn yo a$$ to glue.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Not THE devil. The IDIOT devil.

      Besides, not exactly making a deal with you, so it doesn’t quite fit, does it?
      That “pony” thing is pretty pathetic, by the way. But then, if it wasn’t, you wouldn’t be doing it, I guess.

    • Gamez Rule

      One of Psionicinversion puppet accounts ( Tech junkie ) has been banned due to being exposed, I told him it’s gonna happen but he didn’t believe me☺ Teach him to troll me when I know the mods☺

  • Xbox one 2econd gpu unlocking

    Our forum research teams media x and c teams have proven our second hidden gpu layer will get professionally unlocked now under DX12.1 not under 12.0 now.
    When the full NDA expires for DX12.1,
    ppl will see why we have agreed our total system power is 5TF and only been playing a weak 1.3TF with us agreeing to screen tearing to allow Sony recovery sales.
    +12 and we game on

    • J.j. Barrington

      I get it: you’re actually a PlayStation fan making fun of the delusions of the most far-gone Xbox fans.

  • Anthony

    This is just his opinion but his reasoning is flawed and his conclusion will end up being wrong.

  • MattS123

    Nothing on the Xbone is better than the PS4. The PS4 is just way too powerful compared to that thing.

    • Cenk Algu

      lol!

    • Truth™

      POS4 still manages to be low powered trash as well. Story of this generation

  • Robert Manser

    Fun reading all the idiocy in the comments!! Because one game has blacker blacks and bluer blues doesn’t make it a better console!! There is more to it than resolution and ghrapic shading!! Anyone who says all games look better on PlayStation, well they need to go back to grade school and learn commonsense. First off telling anyone you can see the difference between 990p and 1080p is completely ludicrous and secondly there is just as many games running 900 on PlayStation as Xbox. AND FOR GOD SAKE DON’T ARGUE ABOUT DEVELOPING UNLESS YOU HAVE A DEGREE OF SORTS. GOOGLE DOESN’T GIVE YOU ALL THE ANSWERS AND JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN TYPE GPU, CPU IN THE SEARCH ENGINE DOESN’T NOT AND NEVER WILL MAKE YOU A DEVELOPER. A GOOD START IS WITH A BACHELOR’S IN COMPUTER SCIENCE, I’VE LEARNED THINGS I WOULD OF NEVER OF THOUGHT OR EVEN COMPREHENDED BY GOING TO COLLEGE.

    • ImOnaDrugCalledSheen

      Apparently you never learned what a paragraph is though. Also your caps lock might be stuck.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Common sense- or commonsense, as you call it- isn’t something you learn in grade school. It’s, supposedly, the type of good sense you acquire just by living and being exposed to the world around you. Here’s something interesting, though: what’s defined as common sense changes based on community, race, and even generation.

      So, in reality, it’s not that common.

      ALL games don’t look better, sure. But MOST games the two consoles share look better on PS4. And it isn’t just resolution and framerate. It’s also shadows, lighting, particle effects, and textures.

      You actually CAN tell the difference between 900p and 1080p. And here’s the thing: the more often you see the difference, the easier you can tell. There was a point in time where I didn’t know the difference between 720 and 1080; I only knew that I was seeing something far beyond SD. After a certain amount of time, however- and ESPECIALLY with something with which I’m familiar- I can quickly tell 1080 from 720. If I saw 900 more frequently, that would probably be easier for me, too.

      You say just as many games at 900p on PS4, but you don’t mention that there are MORE games on PS4 at 1080p. You don’t mention that many of those games that are 900p on XB1 are 1080p on PS4, or that some 900p PS4 games are 720p on XB1.

      Finally, your speech about going to college works better when you’re leading by example. At the very least I haven’t seen you say anything here that couldn’t have been Googled. Furthermore, when you make statements like “telling anyone you can see the difference between 990p and 1080p is completely ludicrous” that tells me you actually DIDN’T go to school for these things. There’s also a “common sense” angle: if there was no difference, why would devs bother to pick the more taxing one instead of the one that allowed them to push graphical effects further?

      I’d advise a revision of that entire comment.

    • Tech junkie

      Well, if you knew anything at all. You would be aware that to see the difference between 900p and 1080p you need a large tv and close viewing distance.

      Off the top of my head I know with 20/20 vision you need to be closer than 9′ to see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 50″ screen

      Since you like to talk like you are superior to everyone, maybe you should learn something before you talk 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      You’re so full of it. You can see resolution differences on cell phones, tablets, and laptops, too. And you don’t have to be just inches away.

      Where’s your proof of any of this nonsense you claim?

    • Tech junkie

      Google resolution and viewing Distance. Yes you can see it on smaller displays but it requires closer viewing distances.

      Thanks for proving how little you know 🙂

    • J.j. Barrington

      You mean like googling vaccines cause autism?

    • Tech junkie

      Trying to be clever again.

      It’s ok keep failing. 🙂

    • Tech junkie
  • ImOnaDrugCalledSheen

    The only gap is the gap in sales and that gap will continue to widen this year guaranteed.

    • Truth™

      You are right. PC Completely annhilates POS4 in graphics so there’s no point in complaining

      Looking forward to what more downgrades Uncharted 4 has 🙂

    • Dotcum22

      rather have uncharted 4 than no uncharted at all


 

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