Wardell Explains Microsoft’s Silence Regarding Xbox One DX12 Benchmarks

Brad Wardell also comments on whether Ashes of the Singularity will launch on PS4 and Xbox One.

Posted By | On 22nd, Apr. 2015 Under News | Follow This Author @GamingBoltTweet


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Since the announcement of DirectX 12 and its impact on the Xbox One, Microsoft have taken a rather silent approach as to how the new API will actually affect the console. Of course, we already know that DX12 will bring a new API for the eSRAM and make things easier for the Xbox One game developers but unlike the PC platform, Microsoft have not released any explicit benchmarks results. So why is this the case? In our last article in the month long coverage with Stardock CEO Brad Wardell, we asked him the reason behind Microsoft’s silence on Xbox One’s DX12 benchmarks.

“With the Xbox One we’re being pretty speculative right because there isn’t a game that’s using DirectX 12 on the console at this point in time, so I can’t even do a side by side comparison. Whereas on the PC we have Ashes of the Singularity. It is a game that’s been optimized for DirectX 11 and updated for DirectX 12, and you can run them side by side on the same hardware and get a 70% boost on DirectX 12 over DirectX 11.”

“So it’s pretty easy for me to say yes you’ll get a huge impact on PC, but on the console it’s all a theory. They have nothing, they don’t even know. I mean I’ve talked to the development team there on this subject for a while and it basically boils down to, we don’t know how much of an effect it will have because so much of it is in the hands of the developer.”

“I mean that’s the thing I like about being able to make a prediction, is that something that’s on a visual medium like this is that we’ll be able to revisit this discussion a year from now and it will be pretty obvious. You’ll see the games that run on DirectX 12 and you’ll be able to compare them with games that run on DirectX11 on the Xbox One and you’ll be like ‘Oh, yeah there’s quite a difference’.”

On a related note, Wardell also spoke about the PS4 and Xbox One versions of Ashes of the Singularity. Right now, the game is only confirmed for the PC platform and Brad is not sure whether the game will launch on the consoles.

“We don’t know, I don’t want to do any sacrifices on the game itself to support other platforms. We’ve seen strategy games try to do that in the past and they end up kind of gimped. We are looking at porting Nitrous Engine to the PlayStation 4 and the Xbox One in the future.”

The entire interview with Brad Wardell, which will include already published information as well as new details, will go live next week. 


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  • spideynut71

    To suggest MS has no idea what DX12 on X1 will do is asinine. I don’t care who Wardell claims he’s talked to, he’s in no postion AT ALL to know what’s being worked on elsewhere within MS’s numerous studios. For all we know, the new Gears of War game is being built on DX12, as well as Crackdown (both of which I’d bet on). We’ll find out a lot more in the coming months…maybe even at E3…but Brad just needs to work on his game, and stop talking about DX12 and XBOX like he works for MS.

    • KeplerNoMore

      Phil stated after the MS event this year that XB1 was done around the idea of having support for DX12 so what this guy is saying is bonkers.

    • Zarbor

      And yet Phil is no longer with the company yet you believe him. That’s just as bonkers.

    • Jordan Ralston

      you are talking about the wrong Phil.

    • Mark

      Lol. People just luv fighting on the internet.

    • Tank Buster

      ^ facepalm

    • GHz

      you have to think like a dev to see the sense in what he’s saying. These tools ALWAYS evolve over time. API’s improve, skills of developers vary, middleware software’s like the one from graphine software can evolve as well. With how these things can change usually for the better, , how will you know the benefits in full? You wont know until it presents itself right? So The best answer is,”its up to the developers”.

  • Ricoh123

    PS4 Fanboys – “it won’t do anything for xb1 because you can’t upgrade the hardware…….but wow !! up to 70% increase in performance on the same PC hardware is great !!”

    Logic, they have none.

    • KeplerNoMore

      He also stated that the esdram inside the xbox will make it competitive in the future, so yeah he is just trying to push his game on the PC at the moment, and when he will have a xb/ps game ready he will be like OMGOMOMOGMGOG XB/PS is the best platform i coded on

    • corvusmd

      Well according to them DX12 on PC comes with an automatic Hardware upgrade too. They always want to argue the whole “low level API” thing too….then completely forget that cross loading the multicores is just one aspect of DX12….it also deals in taking better advantage of eSRAM/Tiled Resources and cpu/gpu working together. Will the change be the same as PC, no, but these guys want to downplay it too much. It all comes down to how much advantage Devs want to take of DX12…and if they are simply making it DX12 “compatable” or ground-up DX12.

    • Michael Norris

      It won’t have much if any effect…maybe in the case of making porting Pc>Xone easier but you won’t see the performance increase.

    • JerkDaNERD7

      It will have a very significant effect, but it depends on the developers. Now this effect has nothing really to do with huge performance boost, but more about technique implementations allowing developers to do more. If you’ve been following conferences and developer notes you’ll know very well of the features sets or very powerful rendering features on Dx12.

    • Michael Norris

      The thing is you are still hardware bound no matter what.The CPU used in these systems are really weak this is a huge issue.Xone already uses a API very much close to DX12,the cpu work load is already being spreaded across each core.Pc’s lack this atm which is why you will see a huge increase.I should had rephrased i didn’t mean it will have zero effect,what i mean is it will not make a game that runs 30fps into a 60fps game.

      I want to see the results i just think Xbox fanboys should wait before trying to make a huge deal out of this.Also this Brad guy is a DirectX developer and loves the API which is fine but i also know OpenGLN is going to be freaking awesome as well.

    • Jessie Dixon

      The API will work though, but like Micheal Norris said and i know for certain, its still hardware bound. DDR3 already has a narrow bandwidth, ESRAM helps with that issue a bit. Thing is both systems will update overtime. Soon we can have great looking games on both. When i heard DX12, i was cautiously optmistic, great, but then again the hardware issue is still there.

    • Cenk Algu

      Yet again you and have no information about hardware and software.Yes the XO using a low level API but it is DX11 not the DX12.DX12 and DX11 completely different story.

      The XO designed with DX12 in mind that is an undeniable fact that the GPU of the console has 8gfx contexts to interact all of the CPU cores with the GPU with almost zero latency.

      Plus only saying PC benefit is bullshit while XO is already a PC (x86-64bits PC Architecture) but having customized components.With W10 update it is going to be completely transformed into Pc like Steam Machines.

      So if it increases the performance hugely on PC on the same hardware that means it will increase even further on XO due to the console completely designed with DX12 in mind.

      Please remove your fanboy glasses and come back to real World.

    • Josh101

      Hmm, you completely forget that resolution is GPU bound, not CPU bound. DX12 is for systems with high-overhead and a weak CPU. So, it is you Xbots who think it’s going to give the XboxOne a massive bump. It won’t. Not only this, ESRAM cannot run 1080P effectively in graphic intensive games. Proof? 97% of all multiplatform games in existence. Forza 5 with it’s cardboard cutouts of crowds.

    • Tank Buster

      Forza Horizon 2 much ?

    • Josh101

      Forza Horizon 2 has Xbox360 graphics with high-res reflective mapping on XboxOne. Not exactly a stellar game. The graphics are nothing compared to true next-gen titles, like Driveclub.

    • WryMouthX

      DriveClub Next Gen? ROFL!!! Worst game release of 2014 by all major game sites. Metacritic 71 owned by Forza 5 and Forza Horizon 2 hands down.

      Driveclub delayed how many times? released with broken servers, less content than a demo.

      http://www.primagames.com/games/forza-horizon-2/feature/forza-horizon-2-vs-driveclub-which-game-king-racers

      http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/articles/769693-forza-horizon-2-vs-driveclub-which-is-the-better-exclusive-racer/2

      Driveclub is the worst racer of this generation.

    • Josh101

      First off, metacritic is a aggregate scoring site. Combining all reviews, written by failed “journalists.” Anyone who actually owns Driveclub absolutely loves it. It’s a GOOD racing game. There has been NO demo released with 55 cars lol. The server issues were less than a month. Battlefield 4 had more issues for FAR longer. Master chief collection suffered issues FAR longer than Driveclub. Yes Driveclub is a next gen game. You mean Forza 5 with it’s downgraded graphics right? With cardboard cutouts of crowds? Yup, that’s what you mean.

      http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=forza+5+cardboard+people&FORM=HDRSC2&adlt=strict

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBEip6goHbY

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT5PGxBS6fk
      Forza horizon 2 Xbox360 version is very comparable to the XboxOne version. It’s a last gen game, upscaled for XboxOne. The cars are low polygon count on both versions. Driveclub has more polygons on the cars ALONE in a 12 person race, than polygons on screen for Forza 5 horizon 2 and Forza 5, including all on-screen race. With 250,000 polygons per car model. FH2 and Forza 5 are NO match for Driveclub. It’s a true next-gen racer. Point, blank. There’s NO argument to be had here.

    • WryMouthX

      PS: FH2 220 Cars+ on release, Forza 5 over 200, DriveClub….55…

      PS4 Glory Racer.

    • Josh101

      EVERY car released on Driveclub was a premium car. FH2 and Forza 5 had a HUGE chunk of junk cars.

    • Darren clipson

      Amazing how the majority of gran turismo cars are junk fillers but you all go mad over that.

    • WryMouthX

      How much weaker is PS4’s CPU?

      Again look below to PS4’s all mighty glory of DriveClub Crowds.

    • MrSec84 .

      1.75 vs 1.6GHz, that’s about a 9% difference, the GPU in PS4 more than makes up for that difference, especially given that AI, Physics & Audio Simulation can all be done directly on the GPU.

      You’re really going to use a Forza 5 screenshot to try to downplay Driveclub’s superior graphics?
      It’s well known DC’s crowds are all proper 3D models, like it’s trees and every one of the game’s models.

    • Josh101

      HAHAHAHAHAHAH. MrSec84 said what I came here to say. How can you seriously post a Forza 5 screenshot and pretend that it’s Driveclub? OMG that’s awesome, but thanks for the screenshot. I’ll use it for future reference.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y-TFWPaCUs

      See the crowds moving? Clapping their hands and moving? That’s fully rendered 3D crowds buddy. 🙂

  • John Nemesh

    Geez, it’s almost like Brad Wardell is getting paid to be an unofficial spokesman for MS at this point. I don’t trust ANYTHING this guy has been saying, he’s a shill and should be treated as such.

    • Tyrelle Watts

      Why is it that one of the developers at DICE wants to push dx12 also. You have no clue.

    • John Nemesh

      If they want to sell the general public on DX12, then they need to SHOW us the benefits. It’s all hot air until then…and I stand by my comment, Brad Wardell is a shill, and his opinions are not to be taken as gospel.

    • Guest

      Pot. Kettle. Black.

    • EmpeRawD

      You are one pathetic little pony. Spend all day on discus just to neigh trash on anything X1 related. Us your little GDDR5 console bricked?

    • John Nemesh

      Sorry, I don’t respond to posts with “pony” in them.

    • EmpeRawD

      And you just did little “pony” boy. Here you go…some nice tasty treats so you can respond again little “pony” boy.

    • You just did.

    • Tank Buster

      whats a shill ?

    • John Nemesh

      A shill is someone paid to promote a product.

    • What do you call someone who is paid to attack another company’s product? A Nemesh?

    • John Nemesh

      Except I am not paid. My hate of MS comes from years of abuse by that company.

    • The only thing more pathetic than a paid shill is a volunteer one. We’ll call such a person, a ‘nemesh’ from here on out.

    • John Nemesh

      Sounds good. Feel free to use it, royalty free.

    • Your permission isn’t needed, but thanks for the official endorsement.

    • John Nemesh

      You are a real piece of work, bub. Have a nice life.

    • I don’t consider the opinions of a nemesh, so you’re better off saving your words for your volunteer work.

    • Triton

      He said the PS4 will have similar benefits with “NextGL”, but you’re right he probably lied about that.
      Only DX12 benefits has been demonstrated so far, so there cant possibly be anything good with “NextGL” and it has to be trash.

  • kreator

    Sony caught them with their pants down with the PS4 reveal! M$ is going to do the same thing here with DX12 to Sony!

    • John Nemesh

      Keep thinking that…even though Phil Spencer himself said it would NOT be a huge improvement…but keep thinking the “secret sauce” is going to turn the tables on Sony. I am sure Sony is just sitting on their hands and not making ANY improvements to their own APIs either…

    • Demetrius Radford

      its gonna help it reach 1080p easier just because of the new esram api. btw stop coming into xbox forums just to state negatives about the console

    • kreator

      Dude he’s just a Sony fagboy shill full of hate. And his soul is full of doo-doo aswell!

    • Demetrius Radford

      Ik

    • John Nemesh

      Sure it will, bub. Sure it will.

    • kreator

      Why do you want DX12 to fail for the X1?

    • John Nemesh

      I don’t want it to fail, I just laugh at claims that it will magically give it the ability to match the PS4’s superior performance. It won’t. You will ALWAYS be playing at lower resolutions and with lower framerates…it happens when you underspec a console.

    • kreator

      Tell me, what are the minimum specs for a console? Since it can be “underspeced”. Also the X1 is running on old software which is going to be made clear very, very soon 😉

    • John Nemesh

      whatever, bub. If they want us to buy into their bullshit, then they need to SHOW us it’s not bullshit. Until a game comes out that is demonstrably better with DX 12 on the Xbox One, it’s all just PR bullshit.

    • dOUBLEm04

      Yet the Xbox1 has the only game that runs at 1080P 60FPS. What Xbox lack in pure horse power makes up for it in other places. Let’s wait and see what a game can do built from the ground up on DX12.

    • Yo Mama

      Wow. Either you are blinded by fanboyism or you just like to stick your head in the sand. Regardless, you are wrong. “The Last of us” says “hi”. And I’m sure there are more.

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      Wrong…

    • Dom

      The XBox On e is the Camaro, and the PS4 the Charger. The PS4 has nicer sounding numbers, yet the Xbox nails every turn with lower numbers.

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Like adding a garbage GPU to the PS4 and expecting it to do 1080P 60FPS at ultra settings like Sony said before launch, right?

      Consolecucks. lel

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      Funny thing is that the “GPU” in the bone is even worse……

      And that you have to say something here because why…..because you think consoles suck…..?? Great. “Good for you……Good FOR you.”

    • Yo Mama

      Haha. Is that a Christopher Walken reference from the movie “Envy”? Because I read it in his voice.

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      Yes it is……one of my more favorite lines in the movie.

    • Yo Mama

      Thats hilarious. Mine too. Haha. Not too many people i know are familiar with that movie. Very underrated. Kudos to you, dude.

    • Josh101

      You mean they myriad of PS4 games that graphically destroy EVERYTHING that has been released on PC? Yup sounds about right. 🙂

    • Dom

      PS4 graphically destroyed the PC… Wow. That’s really funny.

    • Josh101

      Yes. It is really funny. Show me a game on PC that matches the Killzone Shadowfall. A game that matches Infamous Second Son. I’ll wait.

    • Tank Buster

      you said Killzone lol

    • Josh101

      …………………………….O.o
      You have a game that matches the graphics of it? No? I thought so :^)

    • Tank Buster

      Angry Birds

    • Josh101

      Awhhh how cute, I thought so :^) Good job admitting you have nothing. Thanks for trying though, it was adorable. :^)

    • Tank Buster

      that was valid. And don’t ever call another man cute

    • Josh101

      I can call anyone I want, you’re cute like a little puppy trying to walk for the first time!!! It’s sooooo cute!!!!!!!!! Angry birds doesn’t even have the graphic capabilities of Killzone’s loading screens lol.

    • Dom

      Crysis 3.

    • Dom

      And Infamous isn’t even graphically significant. Nice try though.

    • Tank Buster

      Superior performance? Like more grass in GTA 5? Hmm ok

    • Josh101

      Yup along with higher resolution in 95% of all multiplatform games. :^)

    • Tank Buster

      nope

    • Josh101

      Awhhh, someone is getting mad because they are getting owned in EVERY post they try to make. Weeeeee!! This is FUN!!

    • Tank Buster

      omg you are wierd

    • Josh101

      You can’t spell. The word you’re looking for is weird. It’s not my fault that you are getting soo flustered that you are misspelling words left and right and decided not to even debate. That’s your fault that you lack the mental capacity to discern reason and come with rebuttal’s. *shrugs*

    • Demetrius Radford

      Shutup. Pony why cant you accept that the Xbox is getting improvements.

    • John Nemesh

      What I can’t accept is fanboys preaching about a technology they don’t understand, and PR pieces saying that this “secret sauce” is going to compensate for lower spec hardware. I’m done here, since you can’t debate without throwing out (stupid) insults. Bye now, enjoy your Xbox 720.

    • Tank Buster

      buy American douche

    • Josh101

      HAHAHAHAHAHAH really? How about no? Microsoft makes absolute crap for consoles and every other electronic they have tried to produce. RROD was the biggest disaster in consumer electronic history. I think I’ll stick with consoles from the superior Japanese electronic industry.

    • Tank Buster

      Sony will be bankrupt soon

    • Josh101

      Yeah, with more than 18 Billion in cash and more in assets. Nope, not gonna happen anytime soon. Wishful thinking though.

    • Tank Buster

      yep

    • Josh101

      You make American’s look like idiots. Everyone that comes across this thread section….We are not as retarded as this dumb*ss. lmao :^)

    • Tank Buster
    • Josh101

      Yup, sounds about right. Since Sony innovates. They spent BILLIONS on the creation of the Cell CPU and Bluray technology. Sold a $800+ console at over $200 loss. Fund movies, over 12 1st party studios, fund a myriad of music artists, fund a TON of movies. While Microsoft….Charges for you to use anything on your Xbox!! But you enjoy getting raped apparently. :^)

    • Josh101

      Awhhhh did you make this wittle picture yourself??? How adorable!!

    • Tank Buster

      You sound like a women

    • Josh101

      It’s woman. Women is plural you dumbf*ck. Sheesh…

    • John Nemesh

      ROFL. Like it benefits anyone actually in America! They are all made in China dude.

    • Tank Buster

      Manufacturing is a very small piece of the pie in regards to MSFT income. Its obvious.

    • John Nemesh

      I am not going to buy an inferior product just because it benefits an American corporation. They want my money, they have to EARN it!

    • Demetrius Radford

      no secret sauce of course but anything helps and the esram api will help. it only takes 16mb to output 1080p like i said

    • Josh101

      You have no idea what you are talking about kid. Resolution is GPU bound, not CPU bound. ESRAM is too small to effectively handle 1080P resolution in graphic intense games. Wish all you want, it doesn’t change a thing. We live in a physical realm.

    • Demetrius Radford

      Uh i think i do. It only takes 16mb of esram to output 1080p the esram is enough to output 1080p believe me

    • Josh101

      You seriously have no clue what you are talking about. You forget that they have to add some sort of aliasing to render the game. There are partitions within that 32MB ESRAM. 4 at 8MB’s a piece. 16MB’s being taken up by resolution alone is enough to make 95% of all multiplatform games choose a smaller resolution than 1080P, which they have opted to do. It has even been such an issue with Microsoft that they have opted to sacrifice graphics in their 1080P games. Such as Forza 5 with cardboard cutouts of their crowds. As I said, 32MB’s of ESRAM is too small to effectively handle 1080P resolution in GRAPHIC INTENSE GAMES. Again, you don’t know what you are talking about kid.

    • Demetrius Radford

      ik what im talking about so they have to do half the image with esram and half with ddr3 but u possibly cant sit here and tell me that a boost isnt gonna help it get to 1080p when it is. gonna help its gonna boost how fast the esram inputs and outputs

    • Josh101

      Half the image with ESRAM and half the image with DDR3? Dude, seriously. You just need to stop. You really don’t know what you are talking about.

    • Demetrius Radford

      rendering half of the game in ddr3 and half in esram

    • kreator
    • John Nemesh

      They can SAY whatever they want, until they PROVE it, and SHOW us a game using it, or provide benchmarks, it’s all PR bullshit.

    • Tank Buster

      AMD much

    • kreator

      And stop being a sony shill.

  • Cenk Algu

    Saying the PC benefits are obvious but it is only theory for the console is nothing but telling a tale for a kid because the XO already has x86 PC Architecture and with W10 update,it is not going to be different than a regular PC one bit.Like stated and proved before the XO was already designed with DX12 in mind.

    So even 5 years old kid does not believe you,if you tell him the engineers of MS have no idea how big the impact is on the XO with DX12.So some now saying that if DX12 was a big deal for XO,the MS would already braggin and pushin it.So they did it with the Cloud but all they got is accused being liars or PR talks.I guess they are choosing to show rather than speaking.This E3 is going to be written in the history of Xbox and MS…

    • Derrick Lee

      This actuallly sounds a bit like the cell processor. In theory it should had ran games better then the 360. They also did make games that looked amazing on it , last of us , killzone, and mgsV for example. However developers had to work (I’m guessing) twice as much to really make use of the cell processor, and most of the time they didn’t and on multiplats you ended up with something that was worse then what was on the 360.

  • GHz

    We’ve learnt a lot from Wardell, and I’m always interested in what he has to say. He he shows his point in the games he makes, proving that MSFT’s tech exists and works. Then there is his valuable opinions based on his experience. You cant beat that. That being said, he is NOT the only source! For example….

  • Tha Truth

    Oh dear…it looks like the desperate, ignorant Microtrash fagboys are crying their eyes out in the comments because their pathetic, dead, peasant console is dying at the bottom of the sales charts every single week where it belongs. DX12 is NOT going to save the Xbox DONE you ignorant dogturd peasants. The same way the the Halo: Master Crap Collection didn’t save the Xbox DONE and the same way that Titanfail didn’t save the Xbox DONE.

    I guess all these months of having their peasant console struggle just to cough up a 900p resolution, have no exclusive games worth playing, and fall to the bottom of the sales charts like the cheap, unwanted, non – gaming peasant trash that it truly is have caused the Xbox shills to suffer severe braindamage and resort to preferring delusion to despair.

    Microsoft aren’t talking about it because they have nothing to talk about. They have no facts to back up their claims that performance is going to get any better, all they can do is hope that the braindamaged, ignorant morontards who keep clinging to their dead console can delude themselves into thinking that DX12 is going to magically cause their peasant console to sell another 12 million units and move off the bottom of the charts, keep dreaming. PEASANTS.

    • GHz

      As usual some come on here spreading hate and fear. You have to really ask yourself why do you behave like you do? To think that install base is the win all factor to how successful a console is. Devs, publishers and content owners in the entertainment/service world looks at your network infrastructure more than anything. They want to know how big and safe it is because that is the kind of storefront they want! If it was all about install base of only ONE console, then the success of games like Destiny would be attributed to XB1 despite its lower install base to Ps4. But the reality is that Destiny is successful because of both platforms collectively! And the these pple that gives us all this entertainment are dancing to the bank because of the install base of both XB1 and PS4. They have a larger demographic to work with and that’s what counts! So stop poisoning the forums. When you talk, flies escape from your mouth cause you full of sh*t.

    • Josh101

      Yup, exactly this. That’s why Titanfall is going multiplatform. That’s why Insomniac wishes they went multiplatform. That is why 90% of Microsoft’s “exclusive” lineup is just a timed exclusive.

    • GHz

      You had an opportunity to argue your point bu you got way too emotional and ended up just spreading lies in the end. I dont understand why you pple insist on lying. Are you guys being paid to come in forums to cause confusion about the XB1?

      Lets be truthful in full!

      Insomniac said that the reason they ended up exclusively wit XB1 was because Sony wanted to own the rights to their new IP, Sunset Overdrive. MSFT on the other hand didnt and so BOOM! Sunset Overdrive became an exclusive on XB1. And that was only part of it.
      http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sunset-overdrive-exclusive-to-xbox-one-because-microsoft-allowed-insomniac-to-own-the-rights-to-its-creation/1100-6419558/

      The other half of the reason was, and I qoute, “platform feature set and Xbox Live presence was a great match for Sunset Overdrive.”

      You can read it all here.
      http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/insomniac-explains-why-sunset-overdrive-is-exclusive-to-xbox-one-27461

      And how did you come up with 90%? You have insider info on all of MSFT’s exclusives? You better be getting paid by Sony to spread this much FUD. O_O

    • Josh101

      “Insomniac said that the reason they ended up exclusively wit XB1 was because Sony wanted to own the rights to their new IP, Sunset Overdrive.”
      I never said it wasn’t the reason. I said the abysmal sales definitely make them wish they went multiplatform.
      Name off all of AAA exclusives that Microsoft has. Microsoft has Halo, Gears of War, Fable, Forza and the money-hatted Minecraft as franchises that they own. The rest of their ENTIRE AAA exclusive line-up is money-hatted timed exclusives. Not FUD, it is fact. 🙂

    • GHz

      “I said the abysmal sales definitely make them wish they went multiplatform.”

      You know I love my sources. Link please. When did they say they wished they went multiplatform? What ‘s the game sale count? Where is your data? Where’s the proof that SSOD did bad?

      I do agree though that if it was multi platform it would’ve sold more. And I support the DEVs. If it was up to me, all 3rd party games would be multiplat. other than that, cite your claims other wise you just spreading FUD! The way I see it I caught you lying in regards!

      As far as MSFT 1st party AAA exclusives, Halo, Gears of War, Project Sparks, Forza Motorsport, Forza Horizon, Phantom Dust, Crackdown, Fable.

      1st party games from devs they bought and now own are, Conker, Banjo Kazooie, Minecraft. Battle Toads. Pretty every game under Rares umbrella, like Perfect Dark & Jet Force Gemini. Bot potential AA future exclusive titles if the demand is there.

      2nd party AAA exclusives, Quantum Break, Scalebound.

      I got 16 in total for MSFT. Get me Sony’s big AAA games that will or possibly will release if the demand is there when you can please.

      Now as far as money hatting? Do Sony owning the rights to 3rd party devs games like ratchet & clank any different? And are you trying to tell me that sony doesn’t have any time exclusives as well? I can name you @ few timed exclusives from sony too, so what’s your point? These companies will keep making deals and buying IP. Nothing new under the sun. How do you think Sony became king of the hill of video games? I know the history. Do you?

      Be factual with your claims and dont try to mislead to better fit your beliefs. Not cool! 90%!? SMH.

    • Josh101

      “You know I love my sources. Link please. When did they say they wished they went multiplatform? What ‘s the game sale count? Where is your data? Where’s the proof that SSOD did bad?”

      http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691088-xbox-one/70633620

      Though you easily could have looked it up yourself.

      “Get me Sony’s big AAA games that will or possibly will release if the demand is there when you can please.”

      Uncharted, God of War, Killzone, Resistance, Gravity Rush, Little Big Planet, Unit 13, Soul Sacrifice, Sound Shapes, Tearaway, Sly Cooper, Ratchet N Clank, Wipeout, Driveclub, Gran Turismo, Motorstorm, Resogun, Puppeteer, Entwined, Playstation All Stars, The Last of Us, Jak n daxter, Wonderbook, Doki-Doki Universe, Beyond: 2 souls, Singstar, Socom, The order 1886, BloodBorne, The Last Guardian and I could keep going.

      Sony also has more 1st party studios than Microsoft and Nintendo.

      http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/12/02/every-sony-owned-studio-from-worst-to-best

      “Now as far as money hatting? Do Sony owning the rights to 3rd party devs games like ratchet & clank any different?”

      The difference is, Sony co-developed and funded games like Ratchet and Clank. So yes, it is completely different. Not like Microsoft, who simply buys what is popular after it is proven popular. Microsoft doesn’t create, they simply buy proven franchises.

    • GHz

      Are you kidding me, Your source is a dude name Full Throttle from a forum citing VG Charts, who are commonly known as NOT a reliable source! Only kids use that site as a source. In other words, you just want to troll.

      6-8 of the games you mentioned Sony is either not even talking about them, or are ps vita games. Wonder book? Did you buy it? Maybe I shoudve mentioned viva la pinata, kinect sports and kameo and other miscellaneous 1st party games too then. Do some of the games you mentioned even matter?

      You right Sony own plenty studios. So what?

      And no its not any different. Buyng a 3rd party IP is buying a 3rd party IP. Dont try o glaze it up with sprinkles because its Sony. How old are you, 10? When sony had money, they used it to make sure certain games only appear on their platform. Thats how they made a name for themselves. Is that a big deal for a gamer? Nope! All we care about is that we get to play. Stop trying to make MSFT the bad guy. Its stupid.

    • Josh101

      “Your source is a dude name Full Throttle from a forum citing VG Charts, who are commonly known as NOT a reliable source! Only kids use that site as a source. In other words, you just want to troll.”

      So VGChartz is only reputable when they are in XboxOne’s favor? Sounds about right. If you don’t notice, the main complaint is that VGChartz is owned by a Microsoft fanboy and skews it’s numbers IN FAVOR of Microsoft. Which they do. They over-estimate in favor of Xbox, which you can see RIGHT NOW. With posting under for PS4 consoles sold through and overstating XboxOne sales.

      “6-8 of the games you mentioned Sony is either not even talking about them, or are ps vita games. Wonder book? Did you buy it? Maybe I shoudve mentioned viva la pinata, kinect sports and kameo and other miscellaneous 1st party games too then. Do some of the games you mentioned even matter?”

      Your point is? Tearaway is coming to the PS4, Toukiden Kiwami is coming to the PS4. Along with a few other games that are coming from PS Vita to the PS4. They are still exclusive titles that Sony owns (Not Toukiden Kiwami). Yes I do have the WonderBook. There are TONS of other games that Sony owns. Games that Sony created and funded under their wing. Microsoft simply buys games, they aren’t creators.

      “And no its not any different. Buyng a 3rd party IP is buying a 3rd party IP. Dont try o glaze it up with sprinkles because its Sony.”

      Yes it is completely different. Sony co-developed and funded those games. Instead of buying exclusivity like Microsoft.

      “Stop trying to make MSFT the bad guy. Its stupid.”
      Oh, I haven’t even BEGUN to state on how terrible Microsoft is as a company. Let’s just keep it to games, because you will get your wittle feelings hurt VERY quickly.

    • GHz

      So VGChartz is only reputable when they are in XboxOne’s favor?

      NO! Because they are NOT reliable. Not reliable means NOT reliable. Move on. Don’t care who owns it.

      Wait! You’re trying to convince me that they can buy because they co developed it? But its evil to co develope and NOT buy, but keep the game exclusive, timed or otherwise? So youre saying buying the franchise is better because you fund it? What about the new Tomb Raider game coming up this holiday for XB1. Thats co developed by MSFT but they arent buying the franchise. So which is worst? And who are you to dictate how the business should run?

      ”I haven’t even BEGUN to state on how terrible Microsoft is as a company.”

      And there it is, the expert on all things evil that is MSFT. You just want to rage right? Knock your self out champ. Tell me why owning an XB1 is a bad thing 😉

    • Josh101

      “Wait! You’re trying to convince me that they can buy because they co developed it? But its evil to co develope and NOT buy, but keep the game exclusive, timed or otherwise? ”

      They co-developed AND fund those games.

      “What about the new Tomb Raider game coming up this holiday for XB1. Thats co developed by MSFT but they arent buying the franchise.”

      No the new Tomb Raider is NOT being co-developed or funded by Microsoft. They simply bought timed exclusivity. The are co-publishing the title. Can you not fact check your rampant fanboying? This is one source of many.

      http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/new-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-screenshots-unveiled-23-02-2015/

      “And there it is, the expert on all things evil that is MSFT. You just want to rage right? Knock your self out champ. Tell me why owning an XB1 is a bad thing ;)”
      I wasn’t going to get into it. But here’s a short list. Microsoft’s attempt at destroying our right to the First Sale Doctrine with no used games. Trying to force a always online, always internet connected camera in everyone’s home with known involvement in the PRISM scandal. Paying Youtube personalities for positive reviews. Charging for everything on their consoles including using the web-browser for nearly a decade. Money-hatting 3rd party titles because they don’t have the talent to create their own. Targeting ad’s on a pay-for service. Using the Kinect and Kinect 2 to gather video information for “targeted ad’s.” I could really keep going.

    • GHz

      Your links are trash. Plus you need to learn how to read. Its a screen shot article and a description of the game. Nothing else.

      Here you go. This is much more informative. So you can stop the lying.

      Microsoft helps fund Rise of the Tomb Raider
      http://www.gamereactor.eu/news/249214/Microsoft+helps+fund+Rise+of+the+Tomb+Raider/

      “I wasn’t going to get into it. But here’s a short list. ”

      Awww sh+t here we go. Go get em tiger.

    • Josh101

      “Microsoft helps fund Rise of the Tomb Raider”

      No they didn’t fund it. They money-hatted it. Pure PR spin. They gave them money to make it a timed exclusive. Which just deflects from the main point. Sony co-developed AND funded those games. So yes, it makes it COMPLETELY different than Microsoft simply money-hatting those games.

      “Rise of the Tomb Raider has been developed by Crystal Dynamics, and published by Square Enix with Microsoft Studios as co-publisher. The next Tomb Raider game in the series will be set in Siberia, the game follows Lara Croft and Jonah Maiava as they discover an ancient city built by the Grand Prince of Vladimir in the 13th century.”

      Please tell me I don’t have to explain co-publishing. It is money-hatting. Microsoft simply gave them money to make it a timed exclusive.

      “I wasn’t going to get into it. But here’s a short list. ”
      “Awww sh+t here we go. Go get em tiger.”
      Yup, your reaction is the very reason you are a idiot fanboy. So much that you don’t even realize it. All you did by purchasing a console from Microsoft is tell them that it’s ok. They will try it again, because of your moronic idiocy. Good job!! Weeeeeeeeeeeee!!! This is FUN!! How you can even pretend that it’s ok of what they attempted is what is scary. You are seriously dumb if you think it’s good ol dandy fun. People like you are the reason our rights are being trampled on left and right.

    • GHz
    • Josh101

      Yup, thought you were almighty and were able to fanboy it up in this thread. Then you were owned. Deliciously hilarious :^)

    • GHz

      Are you kidding O_0? I just proved that you’re a prolific liar. For each lie you made up I rebutted them with cite-able evidence. You lied about Insomniac, trying to make it seem that they regretted their partnership with MSFT. You claimed you knew the % of XB1’s exclusives that arent really exclusives. What did you say it was? 90%? You must sit on the board to know such things. You send pple on here to links that have nothing to do with the valid points being made, use unreliable data collection (VGchartz realy!?). Then to top it off you want to convince everyone that it’s fine when Sony purchase 3rd party IP because they help fund the game, but when MSFT helps to fund a game, and decides that they dont need to own the IP, they’re in the wrong. And when you’re showed proof that you lied about MSFT’s role in regards with citable links we can trust, you claim that the news is inaccurate. You want us to believe that the only company in the world that can fund a game is SONY, and if MSFT attempts to, it means that they are money hatting.

      You are insane! And immensely stupid. You remind me about this derp character that use to stalk me constantly. I mean you just cant hide your level of stupid.

    • Josh101

      Dude. Seriously? I was the ONLY person who gave links to sites that posted exactly what I was saying. Then you posted one link that said exactly what I was saying!

      “Insomniac, trying to make it seem that they regretted their partnership with MSFT.”

      Um, yes. With the sales not being great on the XboxOne they most certainly regret it. They thought Microsoft was going to be the leader this gen. They are not. They hit no major milestones, it was a flop.

      “You send pple on here to links that have nothing to do with the valid points being made, use unreliable data collection (VGchartz realy!?).”

      Do you have another source that gathers count? No? Then they are more reliable than you when it comes to figures. Not to mention, VGChartz has ALWAYS been XboxOne biased. You should be thankful I cited them. I’m sure they overcompensated for the sales. They haven’t reached any milestones. If they did they would have announced it. But they didn’t. All signs point to way under 500,000 copies sold. Yes, Insomniac wished they would have released multiplatform for more sales. There’s no argument to be had here.

      “Then to top it off you want to convince everyone that it’s fine when Sony purchase 3rd party IP because they help fund the game, but when MSFT helps to fund a game, and decides that they dont need to own the IP, they’re in the wrong.”

      Apparently your reading comprehension is abysmal. When Sony funds a game, they co-develop it as well. You claimed that Microsoft was co-developing Tomb Raider. They are NOT. They are simply paying for a 6 month timed exclusive. Microsoft simply buys franchises and money-hats others. Like Minecraft and Tomb Raider. Sony is co-developing Street Fighter 5 and funding the game. Sony is co-developing Deep down and funding the game. Sony co-developed Bloodborne and funded the game. There’s a BIG difference.

      Here is the quote for Tomb Raider again, stating they are just co-funding and the developer is Crystal Dynamics:

      “Rise of the Tomb Raider has been developed by Crystal Dynamics, and published by Square Enix with Microsoft Studios as co-publisher. The next Tomb Raider game in the series will be set in Siberia, the game follows Lara Croft and Jonah Maiava as they discover an ancient city built by the Grand Prince of Vladimir in the 13th century.”

      If you honestly believe that Square Enix doesn’t have the money to fund this game on their own. You are a idiot. They have more than enough money. Microsoft simply paid them to make it exclusive for 6 months.

      “And when you’re showed proof that you lied about MSFT’s role in regards with citable links we can trust, you claim that the news is inaccurate.”

      No, I said it was PR fluff. The ONE link that you have provided shows that Microsoft is simply co-publishing which in PR terms is “funding.” Simply means they money-hatted for exclusivity. That’s it. They didn’t co-develop the game and help make it.

      “You are insane! And immensely stupid. You remind me about this derp character that use to stalk me constantly. I mean you just cant hide your level of stupid.”

      You revealed your level of stupid by not paying attention to what was written you idiot. I have said exactly this throughout this entire thread. You just chose to ignore it.

    • GHz

      Stop your lying! You said, “That’s why Insomniac wishes they went multiplatform. That is why 90% of Microsoft’s “exclusive” lineup is just a timed exclusive.” Which are your assumptions. Assumptions are NOT FACTS! And when I asked you for proof of Insomniac saying how they wish they went multiplat, you link me to some dude name full trottle who point to VGCHARTZ as proof. WHUT!? o_O You posted no such link to prove that your assumption was indeed fact. You lead us to a link that uses bogus data which lead you and full trottle to invent your assumptions. There is no way you’d know how well or bad that game did without real data. You sound crazy. So to answer your question, there is NO accurate data on the sales of SSOD. Doesn’t mean we should get desperate and use bogus data to represent it either like what your doing.No one in their right minds cite VGCHARTZ for good reason. Unless if your intention is to troll & incite hate. That goes for your 90% claim as well. As for the rest of your rant pleeeease..

      You’re imbecile. EXtreeeeemely dumb with your bogus links and wild assumptions! You’re all about…

    • Josh101

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH out of all that was said, you chose to nitpick 2 statements. So, you concede all other points. You are nothing but a idiot who doesn’t know how debate works. You’ve lost. I didn’t lie. You said Microsoft co-develops their money-hatted games. They do not, they simply buy timed exclusivity. If they don’t, they buy the whole game because they don’t have the studios nor the talent to create their own. Which I stand by my 90% of exclusives, timed or not. Are either money-hatted or bought completely. Like Tomb Raider and Minecraft. That’s no lie, that’s a FACT. Forza and Halo is all Microsoft has created. EVERYTHING else they bought. So yes, 90% is right. :^) Again, you were owned on EVERY point in this entire thread.

    • GHz

      NO! You just sound like an idiot because your laser focused on MSFT because you simply hate them & is in love with Sony. Fine. But to lie and pretend to know what you’re talking about just so you can seem intelligent is just plain wacko! Phil said in plain English, not only will they spend money marketing the game, but will also spend money developing it! That means you’re either co developing, or 100% developing! That’s the funding part. Why you insist on separating the two to match your warp reality is your business. To publish the game also means that they either developed it in house or in this case have an outside studio(crystal dynamics) do it. And best believe that they & MSFT will collaborate heavily to better understand how to take full advantage of the current tools involved to create the game. In other words co-developing! But you want to change what that mean.

      This is no different from what Sony had done in the past! Except they always insisted in owning the IP. That was how business was done back then. If you publish, you own. Even if the IP was the creation of a 3rd party! For example, with Sucker Punch studios. They weren’t always owned by Sony. Sony did not invent sucker punch. Sucker punch pitched games to sony, in turn sony supported them with funding & published their games. One such game was Sly Cooper. But because of the nature of business back then, SP really didnt have a choice in keeping their IP when you have a larger entity(Sony)publishing it! Thats just one example of Sony acquiring IP they didn’t invent. There are many other examples over the years. So stop the lying about Sony creating everything, and MSFT buying everything. What you’re doing is warping the truth and worst believe the cr+p you spew. Did you get all that monkey? if not, Go overdose on your crazy pills please. Leave me alone liar.

    • Tank Buster

      “Oh, I haven’t even BEGUN to state on how terrible Microsoft is as a company.” You mean terribly profitable? Unlike…well… you know who

    • Josh101

      Oh yes. Profitable because they were charging you and idiots like yourself for EVERYTHING including locking the web-browser and Netflix behind a paywall. While blasting you with ad’s on a pay-for service. I wouldn’t be proud and touting about that lmao.

    • Tank Buster

      Thats just a drop in the bucket. Drop in the bucket.

    • Josh101

      A drop in the bucket? How is this even a response? Would you like to discuss how many other anti-consumer practices Microsoft uses to milk you out of your money? You are a idiot lmao.

    • Tank Buster

      Xbox fee income is a drop in the bucket due to all the other income sources. Thought that was clear. But feel free to resort to name calling.

    • Josh101

      I thought it was clear on the other anti-consumer practices Microsoft uses to milk their customers. One of them being you paying them for the ability to be served ad’s, on XboxLive. Targeted ad’s at that, which says right in the T.O.S. that they will use Kinect to gather information about you for even more ad’s. Media companies will spend millions for this information. You pay Microsoft to be served ad’s. Good job!!!!!!

    • Tank Buster

      Yep. Google does the same thing. Guess it pays well to own a browser.

    • Josh101

      Yet, Google doesn’t charge you to use their browser. Hmmm… You are a idiot lmao.

    • Tank Buster

      Well Insomniac said themselves they couldn’t make the game work on PS4, not sure what exactly “specifics” that means but they said it. And Sunset Overdrive 2 has already been approved and its also Xone exclusive.

    • Josh101

      No, they didn’t say “They can’t get the game to work.” Sony was going to fund the game but wanted the rights to the game for doing so. They went with Microsoft because they allowed them to keep the rights. Sony already had a open-world game in the same exact genre called Infamous. They let them go.

    • GHz

      What they said was that they wouldn’t had been able to create the game like how they did if it was cross platform. Working on the XB1 only, permitted them to create the game like how they envisioned it. They were talking about all the enemies and FX on screen. It was a magazine interview, and I’ll try my best o find it and cite them properly.

    • Josh101

      Go ahead, I’ll wait. Facts are facts. The exact reason they went with Microsoft is because they let them keep the rights to the game. Microsoft’s XboxOne is not as powerful as the PS4. That game could have been made for the PS4 easily. It would have been 1080P too. :^)

    • GHz

      Edge #267 june 2014 pg. 63. Most gaming “news” sites don’t cover good xbox news. And when they do, they add their own negative spin or opinion to downplay it. Hence you never knew that insomniac said it. but here it is. Go buy the back issue and read the article for yourself. But then again, you dumb as sh+t and wont comprehend whats being said.

    • Tank Buster

      wow Sony screws up again I see

    • Josh101

      Why pay for a game that is in the exact same genre that they already have a game in?

    • kidd Cyr

      You have a dirty mouth or mind to come on a forum and poor your heart out and whine the way you did Xbox One will EXPAND to DX12 BENEFITS that’s tha TRUTH so while we all wait for the BENCHMARKS to prove this there is no reason for you to be ignoRANT just wait and save the dirty talk for your wife husband and when it does show the performance increase even if its just 10% I will be playing exclusives on Xbox One!! Greatness Awaits!!!

    • Triton

    • You Are Flat Out Wrong

      Desperate ignorant Sonygarbage fanboys try to make their 20FPS console look better when consoles are all trash.

      Except the Wii U as it has games worth playing.

    • Josh101

      Still posting the multiplayer lag introduced by the internet. You are pathetic. I’ve already proven you wrong on this post on another forum. :^)

  • Truthhurts24

    DX12 FTW

  • GHz

    DEVs opinion will always vary, and it all depends on their level of access to certain tech(s), experience and expertise in regards. Not everyone will say the same thing.

    So What other opinions do Brad have? Why would he say such a thing?

  • YOUDIEMOFO

    The only way that this is going to benefit the XbOne is through exclusives. Funny though as microsoft themselves have said that if you want exclusives you had better play in Sonys turf, so who knows until games start coming out.

    All I can say is DX12 on PC is flat out going to be boss..!!

    • GHz

      “Funny though as microsoft themselves have said that if you want exclusives you had better play in Sonys turf”

      Where’s the link? I love me some good sources.

      What I remember in last march, Michael Pachter said that not MSFT, and he got schooled by Phil in return.

      His response to what Pachter said..

      @LiquidEvilGames His quote in the article "I don't know what MS has planned…" is correct, he doesn't know our '15 lineup.— Phil Spencer (@XboxP3) December 16, 2014

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      I don’t think it is funny, but here you go…..

      http://www.psu.com/news/26347/Buy-a-PS4-if-you-want-exclusive-games-says-Michael-Pachter

      Late March 2015 looks a bit better of a source than something said in December 2014 IMO.

    • Mark

      “Funny though as Microsoft THEMSELVES said if u want exclusives u had better play in Sony’s turf”. I thought that was Pachter….

    • GHz

      Ummm the link you gave me leads to the same story I shared above, proving that you were wrong in informing this forum that MSFT themselves said that, “if you want exclusives you had better play in Sonys turf “. My point was MSFT didnt say that. Some analyst name Pachter did. Go read it again to get a better understanding.

      “Either way I think that holding onto your “supposed” exclusives is going to only hurt you more”

      These deals differ, so you cant make that assumption out right. There is such a thing where the monies exchanged for making a game “exclusive” proves profitable for the DEV before the sales count. Otherwise, these DEVs wouldn’t agree to do such things, so its obvious both Sony and MSFT make it worth while for them. If that sort of business model was so bad, it wouldn’t even exist. As a gamer though, I don’t like it, because it’s gamers who cant afford all systems who suffer from the lock out. It being timed don’t make it any better.

      This is the video game business. It’s risky as h*ll, and botched releases happen a LOT for good and bad games. It’s happening right now and both the PS4 and XB1 suffer these setbacks on a reg.

      There is not a clear solution to how DEVs can maximize profits for their games these days. DEVs who’ve invested millions cant bet on gamers to always buy their games in massive amounts.

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      Gotcha…….must have been them beer goggles the last couple of days.

      Thank you for pointing that out to me to say the least.

    • GHz

      No prob

  • WryMouthX

    Thank you MS for not speculating! At least they didn’t pull a Sony and make claims like with Watch_Dogs, Destiny, Killzone, 1886 running at 1080p 60 fps just to sell the console.

    • Josh101

      You do realize that Watch Dogs and Destiny are not Sony owned franchises right? Killzone is 1080P 60FPS in the single-player and looks better than any FPS that’s been released. The Order 1886 looks better than any game released too.

    • Tank Buster

      The Order 1886….thanks for a good laugh

    • Josh101

      You’re welcome. Point to the game that matches The Order 1886 in graphics on PC. I’ll wait. :^)

    • Tank Buster

      Tetris with lots of fog and not even a full screen

    • Josh101

      Hahahah, no… That’s what I thought. You can’t name a game that matches it. I’ll take your concession to trolling as your admission of defeat. :^) Thanks for playing.

    • WryMouthX

      I do, that didn’t stop them from false claims. As boring as 1886 was it does look good same with Killzone. Ryse on XO also looks insanely good and it only runs at 900p. Ryse looks amazing even hen compared to a 1080p PC.

      People need to drop the reso crap and hope we get better games overall.

    • Josh101

      People need to stop when you blatantly tried to say that Watch Dogs and Destiny were Sony’s fault? Watch Dogs was downgraded for the sake of XboxOne. Jimmy Fallon had a playable demo of Watch Dogs on PS4 MONTHS before it came out downgraded. It looked like the E3 presentation. They even downgraded the PC version to look like the XboxOne version. Killzone and The Order 1886 were amazing. They storyline for both games was good. Problem is, we have failed “journalists” reviewing these games. Killzone Shadowfall doesn’t have a match when it comes to gameplay and graphics. Especially factoring in particle effects and draw distance. The Order could have had more action absolutely, I agree. But the storyline was AMAZING.

  • Dirkster_Dude

    If Microsoft doesn’t know then no one commenting on this article can possibly know either so no matter what you say about it having “this much of” an effect or no effect means you don’t know what you’re talking about. Regardless it sounds like the net effect will be positive, but we don’t know how positive.

  • Paul Mcdowall

    Come on fan boys lets just enjoy our consoles the way we want to guys and dolls plz i’m here to here about the xbox i would like to speak to my bretherin or read what they r saying am not interested about the ps4 at all thats not because its rubbish it doesnt do it for me i like my xbone go research your own news that relates to you cos in the end we need both sony and xbox to win for choices, and competition and games

  • PachterStation

    I couldn’t care less about the current console war, but plenty of AAA games are never going to come often. Nintendo gave up on the Wii U a while back, Microsoft are not bothered about hitting the same (or more) numbers as the PS4. It won’t be long until the Xbox Two and PS5 are out there with Nintendo’s console getting a head start, maybe by a few years. With the Xbox One, Microsoft are just beating the drum, getting ready for next gen. If Microsoft wants to gain massively, it’ll have to jump on the VR bandwagon with something better than Sony, plenty of AAA games, plenty of exclusives and a £200 console (a new model). Anything else will be an added bonus, including DX12.

    • Skilled Seeker

      Lol a £200 console that can run VR at the required minimum 90fps and 1440p for an acceptable experience? Keep dreaming bub.

    • Josh101

      You’re worried that the console’s are good enough to do just this. Let me guess, you spent that much just on a graphics card and your computer can hardly do just this? Sounds about right.

    • Skilled Seeker

      lol consoles can’t do that without severe visual downgrades, it’s just not possible. My computer is much stronger than any console.

  • Mark

    “We don’t know how much of an effect it will have because so much of it is in the hands of the developer”. Darn that makes sense. You’d need 2 different versions of the same game to be able to compare performance. But listen, the Xbox is a console, and studios will always target 30 or 60fps. So there won’t be this massive push toward 60 frames for all games, more like alot of em running 30fps with better lighting, shadows and whatever else the devs benefit from DX12. Basically the time they get back from it, and what they apply to each frame.

    I think Halo’s gonna be DirectX 12 based, but highly doubt Tomb Raider will make the jump, seeing that it’ll be running on the 360 too. A DX12 based game would have to sacrifice too much to be ported back to DX11 imo, considering Asynchronous Compute and efficient mult-threading in new APIs. Gears will be the game to showcase what this D3D12 is all about for me.

  • Corey

    It’s not gonna be some kind of magical crazy huge mindblowing difference. But there certainly will be a advancement. It will make it so developers can create better games. Period.


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