PS4 Neo Meeting Preview: Expected Price Point, Gameplay Demos And More

PS4 Neo? PS4 Slim? PS VR? It’s a PS party!

Posted By | On 04th, Sep. 2016 Under Article, Editorials


You’ve probably heard by now. Sony has a PlayStation Meeting scheduled for September 7th. Given that the company already confirmed before E3 2016 that the PlayStation 4 Neo was real – and indeed facilitates better looking experiences for PS4 players – it’s a given that we’ll finally be seeing the upgraded console. Will it be revealed in all its glory (with regards to appearance, at least)? Will it have a price point? In my opinion, the answer is yes to both.

ps4 neo

"A safe bet for the PS4 Neo’s price is $499. I’d lean closer to $449 but that’s probably being too optimistic."

The PlayStation 4 Neo has had a ton of information floating about for a while now. Spec leaks have indicated a GPU rumoured to be 2.3 times more powerful than the PS4’s; a CPU that’s 1.3 times faster; memory bandwidth that’s 1.24 times the PS4’s capacity; and the ability to upscale resolutions of PS4 games to 4K without having the final picture look so plainly upscaled. It’s not likely that Sony does a PS4-style reveal with the Neo though – it won’t just showcase a few games and leave the price point and appearance up in the air.

Mostly because given the nature of the PS4 Neo, Sony won’t be able to get by with showing a few upscaled demos. Exclusives are also unlikely as well given how Sony will want to target “inclusiveness” as opposed to excluding its millions and millions of PS4 owners. The PS4 retails for $399 these days though it’s possible to get it for cheaper depending on the outlet. A safe bet for the PS4 Neo’s price is $499. I’d lean closer to $449 but that’s probably being too optimistic. This would surely put to rest suspicions that Sony would increase Neo’s power to combat Microsoft’s Project Scorpio. However, because Scorpio is rumoured to be leaning close to $599, Sony can remain competitive at $499 while offering a 4K experience – upscaled though it may be – along with VR through PlayStation VR. Such a price point is harder to achieve with more powerful hardware.

It also means that the PS4 Neo could launch by December 2016 or even early next year to get a head-start on Scorpio. Another compelling reason Sony could opt for a December 2016 launch is in order to offer PlayStation VR bundles with the PS4 Neo and PS4 Slim (which we’ll get to shortly).

ps4 slim digital foundry

Thanks, Digital Foundry for the image.

 

"If Sony wants to properly showcase the difference that an upgraded console can make on visuals, it’ll likely stick to its established headliners."

While many have speculated on how PlayStation VR’s visuals could be improved further with the power of Neo, it’s likely to exist as a separate entity that doesn’t bank too much on the hardware of the console in question. That being said, it wouldn’t hurt to offer a complete “entertainment experience” of sorts with PlayStation VR/Move/PS4 Neo bundles. It’s yet another way to combat Scorpio’s marketing as a 4K and VR compatible device.

Expect demos for PS4 Neo at the Meeting showcasing the difference between games running on a standard PS4 and those running on the upgraded console. Our money is on The Last Guardian making an appearance – the game is conspicuously absent from Sony’s Tokyo Game Show lineup, so it makes sense to keep it in the press with its release coming next month. Other games likely to be showcased include the recently delayed Gran Turismo Sport, Horizon: Zero Dawn (which, as rumoured, is looking pretty good on Neo), God of War, Media Molecule’s Dreams and maybe even Days Gone. Remember that they’re not guaranteed to show up but if Sony wants to properly showcase the difference that an upgraded console can make on visuals, it’ll likely stick to its established headliners. We wouldn’t put it past a few third party titles like Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare and Resident Evil 7 to show up for Neo demos but it’s unlikely.

In terms of appearance, your guess is as good as ours as to what the PS4 Neo could look like. Given the images of the PS4 Slim that have been circulating, it’s likely that Sony sticks to designing Neo more like the base PS4. That means a less plasticky design though we wouldn’t put it past them to eliminate the signature blue streak.

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"Look at this as Sony advertising some bells and whistles, along with a brand new experience in the form of PlayStation VR, but still remembering it’s “for the gamers” tagline."

As for the PS4 Slim, look for it to replace the base PS4 model going forward, perhaps at a reduced price as well ($349 would be the sweet spot in this case). At this point, the console has already been leaked to hell and back. To see it not announced and releasing around the same period as the PS4 Neo would be hilarious in its own right.

What does this all mean for you and your future PS4 titles? Frankly speaking, there doesn’t seem to be much reason to panic. Sony will be marketing this console to a more 4K-centric crowd but won’t put too far beyond the range of the original console. After all, the $399 price is one big reason of many as to the PS4’s dominance. Look at this as Sony advertising some bells and whistles, along with a brand new experience in the form of PlayStation VR, but still remembering it’s “for the gamers” tagline. In that respect, new gameplay footage for its exclusives would likely be a highlight in their own right on September 7th. Throw in some Vita games as well because who doesn’t need a reminder that the Vita is still alive?

What do you expect to see at Sony’s PlayStation Meeting? What are your thoughts on potential price points for the PS4 Neo and PS4 Slim? Let us know in the comments below.


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  • James Fitzgerald

    If Neo is 500$ I dont think its going to sell well, at 400$ it will be a better sell given their adding bascially nothing new just tweaking up clock speeds on all the specs. Scorpio @600$, if the specs are real, is a much better buy than a up clocked Ps4 @ 500$. If Sony is smart Neo will be 400$, Ps4 S (I know its not could ps4 S but it is deal with it) will be 250$.

    Xbone S does 4k at 300$ so if I had to choose Id go XBS instead of a Ps4 S at the same price.

    • Jan Compaf

      it will be 450

    • Eddie Battikha

      For sure $450 or $500, I would guess $450 would have a 5 tf GPU and the $500 would have a 5.5 tf GPU. 55 inch LG B6 and new PlayStation this fall I can’t wait.

    • Alamdar Raza

      Cheers… $299 for the PS4 Slim and $499 for the PS4 Premium !!!

    • Eddie Battikha

      If NEO is $500 it’s gonna have a 5.5 tf GPU, if $450 then a 5 tf GPU. Either way I’m in, 55 inch LG B6 and new PS4 this fall Bring it on !!!!

    • Toa Silva

      No, the one s only plays 4k video. The neo will have 4k gameplay for neo versions of future releases.

    • kma99

      The one s has 4k upscale

    • XbotMK1

      4K TVs already offer 4K upscaling. Upscaling isn’t a substitute for weaker hardware. Xbox One S has worse resolutions and picture detail because it is weaker than the PS4. Upscaling won’t improve the resolution detail for your games.

    • kma99

      So what it still upscales. You want the guy giving out false information

    • XbotMK1

      His comment wasn’t completely accurate but it was close enough.

      Xbox One S offers 4K Blue Rays and streaming. It doesn’t provide 4K gameplay. Upscaling doesn’t count as 4K gaming.

      The PS4 Neo may provide 4K gameplay for some games. The final specs haven’t been officially revealed.

      But if the suggested specs of the Neo and Scorpio turn out to be true, I don’t think either one is strong enough to deliver 4K in every game.

    • kma99

      Ok let put you in damage control mode. Thr neo will upscale to 4k but thats not 4k gaming either. Checkerboard rendering isn’t 4k.

    • XbotMK1

      I don’t see how you interpret any of this as damage control. Did you read my comment?

      “But if the suggested specs of the Neo and Scorpio turn out to be true, I don’t think either one is strong enough to deliver native 4K in every game.”

      Upscaling is not the same as native but your comparison between checkerboard rendering and Xbox One S 4K upscaling is flawed. Key word “rendering”.

      Checkerboard rendering is a technique that uses processing power to improve resolution as part of the native rendering process. That is different from upcaling to 4K with a scaler chip after the rendering process is complete.

    • kma99

      Checkerboard is still not native 4k it will upscale just like the one s. The neo will have a little over 4 tf but you still have that god awful jaguar cpu. The Scorpio will be using vega which will be tailored for 4k gaming. Does 4k matter to me? Absolutely not because i really dont care. Everyone has known about the developer documents for the neo, we know what it will be capable of. Native 4k isn’t one of them.

    • XbotMK1

      “Checkerboard rendering is still not native 4K it will upscale just like the one s”

      Not true. Read the last paragraph of my comment. Checkerboard rendering is a rendering technique that is different from Xbox One S upscaling.

      “The neo will have a little over 4 tf”

      Oh really? Has Sony officially announced the specs? Test kit leaks do not mean final specs. There was also a rumor that Sony was testing a 5.5 teraflop model. We won’t know until they reveal it.

    • kma99

      Checkerboard rendering is not native 4k. I dont care how you slice it. Nothing you say will sugarcoat those facts.
      There was a company by the name of guerilla games who made a game called killzone. They used a technique called temporal projection to achieve 1080 on that game. Guess what, it still wasn’t 1080 no matter how much you sony fanboys tried to damage control

    • XbotMK1

      “There was a company by the name of guerilla games who made a game called killzone. They used a technique called temporal projection to achieve 1080 on that game.”

      You mean like the technique Quantum Break used? Microsoft and Remedy led their fans to believe Quantum Break was 1080p. You and other Microsoft fans went around boasting about it. Then Digital Foundry discovered that it used a similar technique as Killzone.

      I didn’t see you guys giving Microsoft or Remedy the same treatment you gave Sony and Guerilla Games.

    • kma99

      Yes they did it too and your point? Thats right you dont have a point you simply wanted to drag Microsoft into the equation to damage control your stupidity. Dont you get tired of making an idiot of yourself. Oh yeah, checkerboard rendering still wont be native 4k

    • XbotMK1

      You have countered any of the points I made.

      Only thing I stated was that checkerboard rendering is a technique used in part of the native redering process to improve resolution, very similar to the technique Quantum Break and Killzone multiplayer used. It isn’t the same as Xbox One S upscaling an image after it has already been rendered.

      All you’ve done is expose your hypocrisy. Toa Silva made a point that Xbox One S only does 4K Blue Ray and video streaming. You tried to counter that point by claiming that Xbox One S upscales games to 4K. Now you’re saying that 4K upscale isn’t really 4K which is what I’ve been saying this whole time.

      It’s also entertaining how you’re interested in resolution now after you spent the last three years defending Xbox One and downplaying the PS4 even though the PS4 is stronger and has higher resolutions.

    • kma99

      Checkerboard is still not native 4k no matter what you tell yourself.

    • XbotMK1

      Funny how this conversation went from Xbox One S upscaling to checkerboard rendering.

    • kma99

      Funny how you cant seem to comprehend anything anyway

    • XbotMK1

      After I stated Xbox One S upscaling doesn’t make your games 4K, you started comparing it to checkerboard rendering. Two completely different things.

    • kma99

      When someone says something they tend to give example for the dummies in glass to better understand. You were given examples and you didnt understand and still went into damage control like i said you would

    • XbotMK1

      Are you serious? You provided the examples that proved my point.

      If checkerboard rendering was the same, and if the Xbox One S actually made games 4K, why did Killzone and Quantum Break use a similar technique to reach 1080p even though the PS4 and Xbox One already have scaler chips to upscale to 1080p?

    • kma99

      Yo try to stay on topic. Yoy are all over the place with your spin, deflect, crying and damage control

    • XbotMK1

      Now you’re just straight up trolling or you lack the knowledge to have this conversation.

    • kma99

      Lol sure thing mr. Dont know that upscaling isnt native 4k because sony has a fancy name for it

    • XbotMK1

      I never stated upscaling was native 4K. You’re the one who claimed Toa Silva was giving out incorrect information and tried to insinuate that Xbox One S upcaling to 4K was the same as 4K gaming. Not me.

    • sgt_hammertime

      I read above and he said Xbox S is 4k upscale…….don’t see where he said it was native

    • XbotMK1

      Then why did he have a problem with Toa Silva’s comment? Toa Silva was correct. Xbox One S does not provide 4K gaming.

    • sgt_hammertime
    • kma99

      Because the guy said in thr beginning that it only did 4k blue ray and that it did nothing more than that. I said it upscaled for gaming. That’s when you showed up and tried to say otherwise. Next time try reading before you start lying.

    • XbotMK1

      No, he stated that it only does 4K video but no 4K gaming which is correct. The Xbox One S upscaling to 4K is not actually 4K or anywhere close to 4K gaming.

    • kma99

      He stated it only does 4k video. I told him it upscaled games to 4k. Guess who showed up and saod it was irrelevant because tv already upscale, oh that’s right it was you. Looks like you have a comprehension problem

    • sgt_hammertime

      Once again kma99 is right that checkerboard rendering is not native 4k. he is also right that it’s similar to the temporal projection technique used in games like kill zone shadow fall and quantum break.
      in effect with a checkerboard technique you can get a 4×4 pixel block from native 2×2 block. even though you can construct a 4k image, it’s still not a native 4k framebuffer because you’re still working from half the pixel count. so your native framebuffer is roughly half that of a 4k image which is about the same as 2×1080 in essence you are doubling up on every 2×2 set of pixels in other words you are upscaling.

    • XbotMK1

      I know what checkerboard rendering does.

      Most games don’t use native resolution assets for their frame buffers. But whether you consider it native 4K or not depends on your personal definition of native. But I don’t care about whether it is native or not.

      My point is that checkerboard rendering actually uses processing power. It is part of the rendering process to produce a 4K image. It is not the same thing as upscaling using a scaler chip.

    • sgt_hammertime

      i’m not sure what you mean by “your personal definition of native”. there is only ONE definition of native.
      because you don’t care about something doesn’t actually change what a fact is.

      checkerboard rendering like all rendering techniques use processing power. using an upscaler chip is not a technique. checkerboard rendering is upscaling from a software point of view however, you have more control over how your pixels are rendered plus your working with half the amount of pixels needed. so of course you will use processing power but you won’t be using the same amount needed if you were working on a native image. with checkerboard you are able to redistribute processing power so that you can add AA solutions to your image. using the technique you essentially reduce the amount of processing needed because you’ll be working with and manipulating pretty much half the amount of pixels, the extra power remaining you can then use that for your AA solution.

    • sgt_hammertime

      well the truth is @kma99:disqus is telling the truth, checkerboard rendering is not true 4k but it can be used to assemble a 4k image in small parts.

    • XbotMK1

      That is not what kma99 stated. kma99 has not been telling the truth which is why I have been correcting him.

      True 4K is determined by the native resolution. Whether checkerboard rendering is considered true 4K or not is debatable and it is an opinion. It depends on what is considered to be native. Checkerboard rendering is a technique used for graphics rendering of a native image before scaling.

      Regardless, checkerboard rendering is not the same as Xbox One S upscaling with a scaler chip which was my point.

    • kma99

      Lol hilarious. You lie and you damage control.

    • XbotMK1

      Great counter argument.

    • kma99

      There’s nothing that anyone can say to counter someone who is a hard head. Narrow minded people stays that way until it blows up in their face

    • sgt_hammertime

      checkerboard rendering is not debatable, it is fact. you get construct an image from half the number of pixels needs. it is not a 4k frame buffer

    • XbotMK1

      Not a fact. That is your opinion. But it doesn’t matter.

      The point is that checkerboard rendering is not the same thing as Xbox One S upscaling to 4K. That is why checkerboard rendering is used.

    • sgt_hammertime

      I guess we’re just gonna start throwing facts out the window now and then calling it opinion.
      this is the end of the conversation for me.

    • sgt_hammertime

      after thinking about the specs given I would say the scorpio should do 4k gaming just fine.

    • Clate

      Upscaling can makes games look better if the upscaler is a good one. Xbox One games will look better on an Xbox One S on a 4K tv than an original Xbox One. Will it be a large difference? No, but its something. You are correct in that it won’t make a huge difference but it’s better than nothing

    • XbotMK1

      It won’t necessarily make Xbox One S games look better on a 4K TV than an original Xbox One.

      The Xbox One S stretches an image to fill a 4K TV. 4K TVs offer this. The only way it does this is by…

      A. Multiplying pixels to fill the screen which effectively produces the same image.

      B. Filling in pixels with guesswork, or a predetermined process or algorithm which actually causes image quality loss. It is impossible for the scaler to know where to place pixels on a rendered image to improve detail. Even if it were able to improve some parts it wouldn’t affect every part of the image. Such a task would require a lot of processing power in itself to prevent distorting the image.

      Upscaling from 900p to 4K, you’re either going to get a nasty looking distorted image or an image that is basically the same with no noticeable difference if any at all.

      A native 1080p image upscaled to 4K with a 4K TV will provide more detail than using a 900p image upcaled to 4K with the Xbox One S.

    • Clate

      You are absolutely correct that a native 1080p image upscaled to 4K will look better than 900P on a One S. But a quality upscaler (which I’m assuming the One S is) will make a small difference. Now it won’t make a difference if the tv already has a quality upscaler though. We agree for the most part.

    • kma99

      But he is ok with the neo upscaling to 4k. Hippocrit

    • Eddie Battikha

      “Now, it’s not going to make Halo 5 run with 4K pixels,” Spencer clarified. “The frame buffer is not a 4K frame buffer for the game. But it will run more solidly. And certain developers might go back and decide if they’ve built a 4K version for PC already for some of their games, they might go back and decide to enable a 4K version for the Scorpio Xbox when it launches.”

  • Barry Harden

    Slim would need to be at $250-300 if it wants to compete with the XBone S. I’ll relegate Neo to $399-449 and let Scorpio come in at $599. Then announce the PS5 for 2018 to come in at $499.

    • Eddie Battikha

      Sony is switching to a 3 year hardware refresh cycle, this way technology isn’t held back and evolution will continue. PS5 will be out at the end of 2019, Andrew House said they’re not targeting a 18 month or 2 year hardware refresh cycle.

    • Barry Harden

      I think it’ll be near the end of 2018 for the PS5. No way Sony would wait that long to let Micro$oft grab all the attention.

    • sgt_hammertime

      then I could just imagine all the grumpy neo buyers

    • Console and PC Master Race

      I think Neo will be 5.5TF and not 4.2TF, so it’ll be nearly as powerful as Scorpio. If that’s the case, I see them waiting until 2020 before releasing PS5.

    • sgt_hammertime

      the only thing sony can do at this point to reach that 5+tf is to up the clock from the reported 910mhz to 1150mhz.
      I highly doubt they can cool 1150 or 1200mhz in a console without it sounding like a leaf blower or it gets so hot you can put a small pot of water and boil an egg on top of it.
      but anyway, in a couple days we’ll know how things are going to go.
      if they announce the neo to be released anytime soon then we can best believe that it’s based on AMD’s RX480 which comes with 2304 cores….so for 4.2tf or 5.5tf the clock would have to be 910mhz or 1200mhz respectively. if they’re not going to release anytime soon then we can most likely assume that they went back to the drawing board and negotiation room.

    • Console and PC Master Race

      Thanks for the extra information. You’re right, we should be finding out for sure in another couple of days. It’s kind of fun to speculate as the rumours point more towards the 4.2TF, but I haven’t much believed in the leaked specs. Guess we’ll see soon enough. If the leaked specs end up being final, official specs…Neo will be quite underpowered compared to Scorpio. I’ll still buy it, but it won’t be a good thing for Sony IMO.

    • Barry Harden

      Well you’ve just been proven wrong. The PS4 Pro is going to be 4.2TF and a great price of $399. You get to enjoy it NOW and not have to care about the Scorpio for a good whole year. Plus the Scorpio will come in at least $499 if not more.

    • Console and PC Master Race

      I didn’t say that Pro would be 5.5TF for certain, but I thought that Sony would opt for the higher power… I’m really disappointed that they went with the 4.2TF specs in the end, but I’m sure it was simply to keep costs down. People would have whined like babies if the price would have been steep. Oh well, looks like Sony will lose the power lead when Scorpio releases. Still, at least they have their stellar exclusives and yup releasing sooner is a good thing in my book. I’ll get the Pro though and Scorpio when they’re both released.

    • Barry Harden

      Sony can only get what AMD has in its product line. Scorpio is a year away because they Micro$oft is relying on AMD’s new Zen APU to be released in 2017.

      At this point Sony is being realistic knowing that hardly anyone has 4K panels right now. Those that bought 4K early are pissed since they likely don’t have HDR in it. My money is on Sony releasing PS5 in 2018-19 with 4K@60fps in mind.

    • Console and PC Master Race

      You make a good point about not many people owning 4K sets yet, let alone HDR capable ones. I wonder, how much will people be missing out on who bought a 4K set without the HDR? Would using Pro on a 4K tv without HDR, be an inferior experience compared to someone who has a 4K HDR tv? Probably a lot of people bummed out right now at the prospect of this.

      I hope that whatever is next after Pro, be it PS5 or some other name – the better not release it prior to 2019. They need to give people more time between buying new consoles. Like maybe the 6-8 year single console generation may be over, but I want at least 4 years between generations or I will just go PC all the way.

    • Barry Harden

      The Pro will deliver on many levels. Even if you have a 4k set without HDR you will at least get increased resolution and frame rates over a regular PS4 game. There’s really no cons in getting a PS4 Pro especially at $399!!

      As for time between releases I think you better get used to it because both Micro$oft and Sony wants its customers to have upgrades available to them every 3 years. Sure it’s long than cell phones but at least it’ll be cheapers. Since games will be backward and forward compatible there’s really no pressure to upgrade either.

    • Console and PC Master Race

      Sony will surely use this as a test to see if the gaming market will allow for console upgrades every 2-3 years or not. It’s a different market than smartphones, where the people have a different mindset. I do believe more people are wanting more power now, sooner than before. But on video game forums there are more people saying they intend to skip Pro and keep their PS4 and just wait for PS5 (if there is one, or whatever comes next). If sales meet their expectations or are ballpark at least, I think Sony may continue this shortening of life cycles for PlayStation consoles. Otherwise this could end up being a one time phenomenon.

      I hope you’re right and the benefit will still be quite apparent to those without the HDR. My tv is a Samsung KS9810 so it has HDR, but my bro’s tv is a bit older; it’s 4K without HDR. He’s getting the Pro too and I hope he won’t complain too much (he tends to whine a lot) if he’s not satisfied compared to how it’ll look on my tv. I ask him not to compare but I know that’s not gonna happen, lol

    • Barry Harden

      Yeah tell your brother not to worry. The PS4 Pro is more than Double the power over the regular console and for only $399. Even if some games won’t be full 4k@60fps the hardware can handle 1440p @ 60fps without issue. That power won’t go to waste.

      If even the most fickle of reviewers at DigitalFoundry could be impressed, I have confidence people will see the benefits too.
      https://youtu.be/pUb63Dc7-Bw

    • Hvd

      ps4 slim will never compete with the xbox one s at any price point its a smaller ps4 with no features like upscale 4k and hrd gaming and no 4k blue ray player.

      the ps4 slim will never compete with the xbox one s

    • Barry Harden

      PS4 slim plays games at a higher native resolution than the XBone S. Yes the PS4 is still more powerful than the XBone S. The 4k upscaler is included in all 4k tv’s so that’s redundant. The only advantage is the Ultra blu-ray player but that’s not a big deal since most people stream their content these days.

      PS4 Slim can and will outsell the XBone S.

    • Hvd

      lol this is the fanboy talking….lmao…do you actually believe what your are trying?…..lmao.have fun playing on a slim that has no 4k gaming up scaled,no 4k blue tay player,no hdr gaming and no 4k streaming.

      you are just one blind bias fanboy….rofl

    • ShowanW

      not all upscaler’s are created equal.

      I have a very nice Sammy 4k tv with a very nice upscaler..

      the upscaling done nativle on the One S is way better. and there is a difference.

      let me make this clear. the 4k upscaler on the One S is probably better than the 4k upscaler on 85% – 95% of 4k TV’s out there on the market.

      the One has Audio/Video heads, who don’t game, amazed with the quality of the 4k upscaler on the One S

    • Barry Harden

      Do you have proof to show the scaler in the XBone S is better than the one on most 4K sets? Especially that 85-95% bullshit is laughable.
      Most respectable TV brands work damn hard to ensure their scalers work to put the best image on their own sets. Otherwise no one will be buying their panels.

    • ShowanW

      ur welcome to meet me at my local best buy and we can hook it up to some of the tv’s to prove it.

      u know what, go buy a One S, and then bring it to best buy and then hook it up to multiple 4K tv’s, first let the tv’s scaler do the work, then let the One S do the work…

      Here’s a little quote from Xbox Hating Site Forbes:

      The Xbox One S, though, tramples unceremoniously all over these arguments by delivering quite simply one of the finest upscaling performances I’ve seen.

      My years of experience in the AV world have taught me that getting good quality source equipment to upscale resolution rather than leaving it to a screen often yields superior results. But even knowing this didn’t prepare me for just how much cleaner, sharper and less noisy games look on a 4K TV via the Xbox One S than they do via the original Xbox One.

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2016/08/31/6-reasons-the-xbox-one-s-is-more-important-than-even-microsoft-seems-to-think-it-is/#22af1e9e480a

    • Barry Harden

      If you have a cheap TV sure you’re going to benefit from the XBone S’ upscaler. Most AV enthusiast don’t buy cheap panels. Even the Forbes writer states: “What’s more, the remarkable quality of the Xbox One S’s 4K game upscaling stands out extremely clearly even against the excellent upscaling built into a very high-end 4K TV like Samsung’s UN65JS9500.” Yup he says EVEN. So no benefit involved from getting an XBone S over a PS4. You also have to take into account the smoother frame rates PS4 delivers on games compared to the XBone S. At the end of the day the PS4 still has faster hardware than the XBone S.

      Given the price of the XBone S is $349 for a 1TB system, you would also be insane to consider that over the PS4 Pro 1TB at $399.
      PS4 Pro will have increased visuals and frame rates for all games that you will get to enjoy NOW, not a year from now.

    • Tomaterrrx

      None of what you said is actually confirmed lol.

    • Barry Harden

      Key word here is “native resolution”. Don’t go relying on that 4k upscaler in the XBone S.

    • sgt_hammertime

      if sony is going to release a new console so soon after they release the neo then they best tell their customers early……unless they’re going for an early cash grab

    • Barry Harden

      Sony and Micro$oft both admitted they were going for console upgrades every few years just like cell phones. Your games are promised to be compatible going forward and new games will continue to be supported on your current console so they really don’t owe you anything else. If you don’t want to upgrade then don’t.

    • sgt_hammertime

      I don’t remember reading any of the companies saying they’re going for upgrade every few years, unless you have something to prove those words. I remember phil spencer say he wanted to have an incremental upgrade between generations while he juxtaposed the continuity of other devices such as pc and phones.
      in no way did he say that they will be upgrading every few years like cell phones. (unless “few” now means 4 or 5 seeing that the scorpio is coming 4 years after the X1).

      in any case I like what Microsoft did in letting their customers know that they have a more powerful console on the way. so even with the fact that you’re games will work going forward they still gave their customers added information to make to make informed choices of upgrading now to the X1S, upgrade later to the scorpio or upgrade with both. they don’t go the sleazeball way of releasing a new console now and then releasing a more powerful just 1 year later. you don’t gain customer trust that way my friend, that’s pretty much taking your customers for granted.

      I would definitely not want you doing product planning in my business. you would definitely try too hard to upstage your competition while neglecting your base.

    • Barry Harden

      It will be happening as backwards and forwards compatibility is more or less secured by going with an x86 platform. These frequent upgrades aren’t forced and if you for example skipped out on the PS4 Pro upgrade then you could still upgrade your current PS4 game library when you jump onto PS5 or PS6.

  • Patrick Wise

    How do you get something so basic and fundamental as the current price of the PS4 wrong? The 500GB model of the PS4 sells for $350 not $400.

    It is likely that even without the new models that Sony would have followed Microsoft down to the $300 mark by this holiday season. My guess is that the slim will be sold at that price. PS4 Neo will be $100 more than the slim so if the slime is $300 it will be $400. The only differences between the two (at least that imply any significant cost) are the higher speed memory (probably <$10 addition) and a larger GPU.

    You can already buy an RX480 video card that's the same GPU the Neo will get with the same memory (though likely both at a higher clock) for $250. The 8 Jaguar cores are tiny by comparison (indeed they were a minority of the chip in the PS4 when the GPU was half as large).

    • Clate

      I think the Neo is going to be 449$ I just don’t think it is possible for them to sell it at 400$ with the leaked specs. You’ve got to remember Sony refuses to sell at a loss anymore not to mention it’s almost certainly going to have a 4K BD drive which aren’t cheap

    • Patrick Wise

      The APU that ships in the Neo is going to either be on GlobalFoundries’ 14nm process or (more likely) on TSMC’s 16nm process. Neither offer the ~4x increase in density implied by their number (or at least GlobalFoundries’) due to their having the same BEOL as their respective 20nm processes they should still offer at least twice the density of the 28nm TSMC process the current PS4 chip is made on. With the transistor count on the GPU roughly doubling the area of the GPU will be roughly constant while the area of the CPU and other components should shrink fairly dramatically.

      The upshot is that the APU of the Neo should be smaller than the one that actually shipped with the original PS4 (granted the APU in the XBone didn’t shrink quite as much as expected but in that case it was loaded with a large cache that they didn’t want to push when shrinking so as to avoid yield problems). The memory is faster than the vanilla PS4 (7ghz+ vs 5.5ghz) but any increase in cost should be dwarfed by the general decline in memory costs over that past 3 years.

      The other components should be the same or cheaper such that the PS4 Neo in 2016 should actually cost less to manufacture than the PS4 in 2013. If they didn’t lose money at $400 then they shouldn’t now.

    • Clate

      You are forgetting the 4K BD Drive will be much more expensive than the BD drive in the PS4. The APU in the Neo will cost at least the same as the PS4 APU in 2013. You are correct that most components will be the same or cheaper but I am not sure the cost to Sony for the 4K drive

    • Patrick Wise

      The actual improvements in the drive are actually miniscule, and the rumor is that they could actually do the drive portion of the UHD spec (though not the decode) with a BIOS update. Between the PS3 release in 2006 and the new spec they have changed the layout to go from 25GB to 33 and increased the layers from 2 to 3, both of which we in the lab in 2006 and have been available to use on home BD burners for years. The decode side does require a hardware upgrade but is included in the Polaris tech in their new GPU.

      Remember that the XBone ‘S’ does 4K video and it retails for $300.

    • sgt_hammertime

      lol @ “the slime”

  • TheCellGames

    I doubt this machine will be $500, that plus PSVR will set this at what? $1,000? Considering Neo is to accommodate PSVR, I don’t think anyone would buy into that. For those who buy it for a better traditional gaming experience, this will be a decent deal for $500. I still don’t see a point for the Slim, I think it’s Sony’s biggest mistake here. Either way, I’ll upgrade from my Xbox One to Scorpio next year, if the price this article speculates with no basis is right then that will be a great deal for me.

    • Counterproductive

      You don’t need a Neo for VR at all. Its been demoed for years on the base PS4 hardware and looks fantastic. The slim is now that base PS4 and will see a major price drop in about four days when it’s officially announced. There will be about a $200 difference between the standard PS4 model and the Neo.

      $499 isn’t unreasonable if it comes out this year, with a price drop by next year to $399. Considering in 2017 Scorpio is going to be sold at a “premium” price, you’re looking at $600-800 depending on the actual function of the system.

    • Rakcoon

      Those demos don’t run on ps4’s. Those are either external units designed to make ps4 run VR or entirely pc’s.

    • Counterproductive

      You are absolutely incorrect. There are demos units all over North America running in Gamestops and Best Buy locations that you can test for yourself if you don’t believe me.

    • Rakcoon

      Yeah I know. Those are NOT ps4’s. Look it up idiot.

    • Counterproductive

      You’ve obviously never experienced it for yourself and are just trolling, as evinced by your super-mature name calling.

    • Rakcoon

      ugghhhh Why do you have to defend your stupid ignorance until the end? Just look it up and shut the f up.

    • Counterproductive

      I think you said “stupid ignorance” when you meant to say “having facts”. I have used it personally, running on nothing more than base PS4 hardware. Follow the link below, find a retailer with a demo unit and see it for yourself.

      https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/playstation-vr/trial/

    • Rakcoon

      It looks like a ps4 and yet it’s not a ps4. How dense are you? It either has a external unit or isn’t actually a playstation. Stop telling me I haven’t tried it. Unbelievable.

    • Counterproductive

      PS VR has an external unit that processes 3D audio and allows a separate video output to your television so that other people can see what you’re seeing in the VR headset.

      The demo units run on standard PS4 hardware. It looks like a PS4 because it IS a PS4. Hurling insults doesn’t change the facts. I don’t know why you’re spreading false information, if you’re trolling intentionally or genuinely believe what you’re saying, but ultimately the result is the same.

      In less than a month, two million units will be in people’s hands running on their own PS4 systems and it will be fantastic. There’s no point in trying to undermine that now.

    • Rakcoon

      Oh look the idiot finally looked it up. Like I already said you goddamn dim witted monkey. It has an external unit OR is a pc. They use pc’s. Something you know zero about and something I am aware of. Get out of my inbox clown

    • Counterproductive

      You said they didn’t run on PS4s, which is incorrect.
      You said they ran on PCs, which is also incorrect.
      You want to block me, go ahead. Here’s the link. https://help.disqus.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2460515-user-blocking

      It won’t make you any less wrong or juvenile.

    • Rakcoon

      That’s not what I said. Learn to read.
      I said they run on ps4’s with external units and in some cases they use pc’s. That is indisputable. Just because you are ignorant on the matter doesn’t mean anything.

      Do not throw around the word juvenile because that is exactly what you are. You have no knowledge on the subject but refuse to get educated. That is childish. Not me cursing you out in a ver accurate manner. Nobody(but you) said anything about blocking people. I said I wanted you to stop talking. You should, you are slow as f.

    • Counterproductive

      Perhaps you should take your superior reading skills and go back and read the original post. Copied verbatim from the posts above which you can scroll back and review for accuracy:

      “You don’t need a Neo for VR at all. Its been demoed for years on the base PS4 hardware and looks fantastic.”

      “Those demos don’t run on ps4’s. Those are either external units designed to make ps4 run VR or entirely pc’s.”

      The demo doesn’t run on the external processor, it runs on the base PS4. The external processor is for 3D audio only, and will not be replaced by the PS4 Pro. The PS4 Pro will also be using the external processor for 3D audio. The PS4s used in the demos are actual PS4s, and not a PC, or some magic box that “looks like a ps4 and yet it’s not a ps4”, whatever that means.

      So once again for the cheap seats, the PS VR unit is the headset and the external processor, which come together in the box. That PS VR unit plugs into a standard PS4, does not need a PS4 Pro, and has been demoed in retail outlets across the continent all year. I don’t know how much clearer that I can be on this extremely basic concept that seems to be somehow confusing to you.

      Perhaps you misunderstood my original point, or misread it in your haste to slam some random stranger on the internet with your clearly superior reading skills, but there’s no need to continue to try to spin your hostile ramblings in a positive light. People make mistakes, and there’s no shame in that if you admit your error and learn from it, instead of calling someone a “goddamn dim witted monkey” while being clearly in the wrong.

      So again, either you can block me or stop responding. Your call. But if you’re trolling, I’m not taking your bait, and/or if you believe what you’re saying in the face of facts, then I can’t help you.

  • XbotMK1

    The PS4 retails for $349 and $300, not $400. Xbox One retails for $399, $349, $299, and $249 depending on the storage space you choose. Microsoft seems to have a habit of frequently making different models with different internal harddrives (which you can’t even replace if it eventually dies or slows down) to get people to rebuy their Xbox One to prop up sales. That is what it seems they did with the Xbox One Elite model which was soon replaced by the Xbox One slim.

    I agree that the price wil be either $499 or $449 and I think that wil be a reasonable price point that will sell well. I also think the specs may be different from what rumors and test kit leaks suggest.

    • I’m thinking that the PS4 Slim will actually retail at $349 and the PS4 Neo will be $499. After some time though, I’m guessing that the Neo will be $449. TBH, I hope the Neo starts out at $449, but ya never know. Also, I hope they just rename Neo to “PS4K” or “PS4 Enhanced,” “PS4 Ultra,” “PS4 Max” or something along those lines. I heard rumors that they were going to try to capitalize on the “Plus” identity from “PlayStation Plus” and call it the “PS4 Plus,” but that’s just a rumor (although, that could be sweet too). But yeah, the name “Neo,” like “Morpheus,” was just a placeholder or project name/code… so, I hope we get a decent name and not something dumb, lol. Laterz. 🙂

    • Console and PC Master Race

      PS4 in Canada is $400. I’m not entirely certain, but I have a feeling that not everyone in the world lives in the U.S. There are differing prices on PS4 depending on the which country you’re in.

    • XbotMK1

      I know but I’m not going to list every price for every region.

    • Console and PC Master Race

      😀

    • Elvir Baltić

      PS4 in Europe about costs 450$.

    • Console and PC Master Race

      There ya go. Ugh, I’d hate to have to pay that much for a PS4.

    • sgt_hammertime

      for the xbox I guess you forgot that every Xbox One can use External Storage for all games and applications, meaning consumers don’t need to use the internal storage if they don’t want to. your argument falls apart.

  • mickeyGfunk

    i think the ps4 will be no more than 299 and the ps4k will be 399. i guarantee the former, and strongly speculate the latter… 3 years of tech is about right for the next ps4k specs to be in line with what 399 bought us 3 years ago with the original ps4.

  • Hvd

    #1click bait article
    #2 ps4 neo wont do 4k gaming it was made for vr there is no way a 4450 with a 4 year olf cpu can do 4k gaing its just not going to happen.
    #3 i agree with the $450 price tag.

  • crazy_black_man-

    Funny story. I don’t feel the need to upgrade or trade in my OG PS4. It is still in beastmode. That’s the clear difference between a launch Xbox One and a launch PS4.

    • JudgeJuryExecutioner

      microsoft slaves rushing to trade in their launch xbone for an xbone s when microsoft had to make scorpio to copy psvr
      microsoft could charge these dumb fks anything and they buy it

    • dave69uk .

      So no current PS4 owners will rush out to trade them in for the new slim version?

    • Christian Dixon

      No. No one is going to trade their PS4’s in for a PS4 Slim. The PS4 Slim has NOTHING to offer over a regular PS4. In fact, the PS4 Slim is technically LESS capable than the original PS4 due to the lack of an optical port.

    • dave69uk .

      Lol – You know they will though!! 🙂
      It happens with mobile phones all the time.

    • JudgeJuryExecutioner

      probably lol

    • JudgeJuryExecutioner

      ps4 slim is for new buyers
      have fun wasting ur money buying an xbone again
      4k blue ray!
      boy what an upgrade! lol

    • dave69uk .

      The XB1S isn’t actually being sold as an upgrade – it’s a new console with 4k capability and some new electronic bits inside. Other than that it’s still an XB1.
      Kinect is still available for the XB1S – MS will supply the required plug in for it if you want one free of charge.

    • ShowanW

      u sound so ignorant.

      the One S is a big update to the One S at a great starting price point. For those who don’t care about 4k and want to get lil timmy and suzie a xbox can grab the vcr for $250.

      whats point of the slim when the PS4 already looks amazing?
      why not just drop the price point on it and call it a day.

      naw.. we’ll just ad a clear windows on the controller and take away optical port.. have a good day.

    • ShowanW

      yes PS4 owners will rush out and trade their ps4 towards neo.
      there are 40million ps4 units in the wild, the ps4 still retails above $350+ (depending on where u live)

      simple math tells me that a majority of the PS4 crowd are hardcore gamers and not casuals, who will have the latest and greatest.

      don’t downplay it.

    • Christian Dixon

      I said no one is going to trade their PS4’s in for a Slim. There is no value in that. Everyone IS going to trade their PS4’s in for a Neo.

    • ShowanW

      I approve this message…

    • crazy_black_man-

      Not me, and I have 2 PS4’s that are still kicking the living snot of an Xbox.

    • JudgeJuryExecutioner

      they wont because they dont need to
      that is what neo is for
      ps4 slim is for new buyers

      xbone owners rush out to buy an xbone s with no exclusives lol

    • dave69uk .

      No exclusives!!! – I’m sure there is a big one…… begins with ‘H’, you know – can’t remember…… a small multi million dollar franchise thing that has had books and movies about it…. Lol

    • JudgeJuryExecutioner

      wow
      1 exclusive that has come to pc yet
      out of the many microsoft used to trick people into buying a useless xbone

    • dave69uk .

      Yes – 1 exclusive only…. hold on, my dim and misty memory is telling me another one….. Gears something…. errrr, something, something War…. Again multi million dollar and spawned a dozen paperback novels…… damn – is that 2 exclusives so far I’ve remembered??

    • JudgeJuryExecutioner

      wow
      2 exclusives that havent come to pc YET! lol

    • dave69uk .

      Whoa there – another one is slowly dawning on my old mind…. A true multiplayer space game that was an excellent rewrite of an old classic played by millions of people years ago….. Something about being the best, you know – better than everyone else, almost Elite in standard.

    • JudgeJuryExecutioner

      u talkin about elite dangerous?

      isnt that coming to the ps4 with psvr? lol

    • dave69uk .

      Possibly – very much like No Mans Sky is coming to the XB1 in the near future. I would hope that Elite comes to the PS4 so that the developers can get more cash to plough back into the game it’s been a labour of love for the main guy who deserves the success.

    • actually the X1s has a UHD bluray drive, 4K upscaling/HDR and according to the recent leak of the PS4 Slim it doesn’t have any of that!

      And MS have many exclusives just do your actual research!

    • JudgeJuryExecutioner

      nobody cares

      4k upscale is irrelevant you dumb dumb
      4k tv do that
      4k upscale doesnt make your resolutions better dumb dumb
      xbone has lower resolutions and framerates because it is weaker than ps4

      but fanboys rush out to buy an xbone s for hdr and blue rays when it has no exclusives and no vr

      phil spencer trained you monkeys well lol

    • ShowanW

      ps slim isn’t for new buyers..

      its a cost cutting box. they didn’t care about the consumer during this process. who are you trying to fool.

      its to shrink the die, and remove optical and try to get the price point sub $300

      For new buyers?… nobody buys that garbage for a moment.

    • JudgeJuryExecutioner

      you say they didnt care about the consumer

      but they made a cheaper model for the consumer

      good job xfag! lol

    • ShowanW

      Wrong…

      Its still greed.
      They took items away to make it cheaper.

      Too much pride to just cut the price of the current (and very sleek) PS4

      That name callin helps sleep at night.. Then go for it.

      Trying to justify, and unjustifiable box.

      Look at u… Emotional over a plastic box that plays videogames.

      Internet thugs softer than wet Charmin… Smh

    • JudgeJuryExecutioner

      making a cheaper model for customers isnt greed

      what is greedy is that microsoft removed the kinect port after so they could sell you an adaptor

      microsoft wants fanboys to buy up the weaker xbone s for 4k blue rays when it has no vr

      damn, you guys are so dumb lol

    • ShowanW

      I got adapter for free.
      I got 4K blu-ray
      4k netflix
      4K amazon

      Got amazing trade in on my xbox one.

      OG PS4 is all that was needed to go along w/Neo.

      U still justifying the ps4 slim. Pointless plastic box.

      #SoEmotional

      So sad and yet, such comedy.

    • JudgeJuryExecutioner

      pointless plastic box?

      but it has more games
      it has higher resolutions and framerates
      it has vr
      its smaller
      it has twice the instal base

      and its about to get cheaper

      but your went out to buy an xbone s for 4k blue rays and 4k amazon movies. microsoft ripped you off! lol

    • ShowanW

      Did I knock the PS4?

      The Slim however, I am knocking…

      The PS4 Slim (keep up) is a pointless plastic box.

      calm down lil guy…

      Nobody’s dogging the much better and sleeker looking OG PS4… That PS4 should of been dropped.

      Only way Sony could even justify it is, if its $250 or less… Anything above is robbery…

    • sgt_hammertime

      it’s not a cheaper model for the consumer. it’s a cheaper model in the sense that the profit margin goes up. instead of it costing $275 to make and sell it for $350, they can now make it for only $125 and sell it for $299.
      sony and Microsoft took different routes here. Microsoft cut in the profit potential of the box and added better parts to their device while making the device cheaper. Sony on the other hand went for the whole profit margin. With that said, who do you think was thinking more for the consumer and who was thinking more for themselves?

    • crazy_black_man-

      LOL. Sony didn’t even need to release another version. They’re still whooping the doo doo out of Xbox with the original.

    • Tomaterrrx

      Lol you are just so delusional. Xbox One S is like the cheapest 4K blu ray player around. Plenty of reason to buy one (if you don’t already have an Xbox One). The S models are only meant for people without the OG console.

    • crazy_black_man-

      Oh its the cheapest alright. Cheapest quality.

    • Tomaterrrx

      What would you expect? Costs like £80 less than the next cheapest 4K blu ray player. The fact it even has this functionality at all is pretty amazing.

    • crazy_black_man-

      It’ll be “amazing” if it survives 2 years past the warranty period.

    • Tomaterrrx

      Why would it not?

    • ShowanW

      u make no sense in your arguments…
      you have no valid facts or argument.

      phil spencer pointed or shall I say hinted at project scorpio during xbox spring event.

      Microsoft needed a stronger box to copy psvr…
      have you seen a xbox vr headset yet?

      HoloLens primary focus isn’t gaming.

      I’m gonna take it easy on you,because there doesn’t seem to be a base to ur rant, thus letting me know there’s no point in a intelligent debate.

      @doggystyle805:disqus get ur goons, they aren’t as smart as u are…

    • sgt_hammertime

      it takes 3 or more years to build a modern day console. so your theory doesn’t add up. also Xbox One S is a beautiful redesign plus it has added features.
      I’m sure how Xbox is a joke when they cater to their fans and customers in ways the competition hasn’t matched. of the Two redesigned systems: Xbox One S and PS4 Slim, the Xbox One S gets the mark because it’s an actual upgrade unlike the ps4 slim which is just a slimmed down version.
      getting the ps4 slim over the ps4 has little to no benefit, I personally don’t like the look of the redesign. I feel the old ps4 looks much better.
      so with that I fail to see how Xbox is a joke.

  • Jeremy Freeman

    Microsoft will never come close to anything Sony have to offer. Sony officially rules the gaming industry at this point. The only thing MS have going for them is the resurgence of PC gaming. I don’t care what the Scorpio has/or will have. Sony will out duke, and out sell them regardless. And I think all gamers know this to be true. Period.

    • kma99

      They are ruling so much they are putting their games on pc and going mobile. Sounds like they are following suit with Microsoft and Nintendo

    • sgt_hammertime

    • Michael

      The fact that you had to mention ms to make sony look good is hilarious. Sony is a sinking company and it doesn’t matter how many consoles they’ve sell. As much as their fanboys love to deny the facts they’re just not what they used to be.

  • Jordan Koziol-Repia

    PS NEO – FFXV bundle releases November 29, 2016. Calling it now. Silver console (Hopeful). PS4 slim will just replace current PS4 SKU (as leaks suggest no name change)

  • ttwiitch yu

    “Neo” will be announced but won’t be released for sales until 2017. This whole article is wrong.

  • R6ex

    Hope Sony offers a PS4-trade-up-to-Neo programme.

    • Arturs Gerskovics

      That would be sweet

    • R6ex

      Yeah. Otherwise, I ain’t gonna shell out another $499 just for another system that runs the same games (albeit a little better).

  • stillwaitingforgreatness

    So the fanboy bs is alive and well. Xbox won.

    • JudgeJuryExecutioner

      xbox is dead lol

    • Mr Xrat

      Don’t be rude to Thick Ian, he might have an aneurysm.

    • stillwaitingforgreatness

      Think you’ll find its well


 

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