Unlike Sony, Microsoft Are In A Better Position To Take More Risks With The Xbox Brand

GamingBolt’s Pramath Parijat on why the Xbox division can be bold and take risks, which might not necessarily make money, but things which are appreciated nonetheless.

Posted By | On 16th, Jul. 2016 Under Article, Editorials | Follow This Author @Pramath1605


Earlier this month, GamesIndustry.biz’s Rob Fahey posted a rather fascinating piece about Sony, and the importance that the PlayStation has to their future. It’s a great editorial, and it draws some very interesting conclusions about where Sony might be headed, and how the PlayStation might get them there- but one thing stuck out to me in that article above everything else- “… Sony has so much of its corporate strategy riding on PS4, while Microsoft, bluntly, has so little riding on Xbox One. Sony needs to keep its installed base happy while encouraging newcomers to buy into the platform in the knowledge that it’s reasonably up-to-date and future proof. Microsoft can afford to be rather more experimental and even reckless in its efforts to leapfrog the competition.”

This is actually something that is so intrinsically, axiomatically true, I don’t think any of us have paused to ever give it much thought, but let’s try to do just that right now. An argument has been made before, multiple times, that Xbox is not as important to Microsoft as PlayStation is to Sony. Typically, this argument is fanboy fodder, used by console warriors to gleefully paint a picture of a future where Microsoft ends up exiting the market simply because the Xbox not being as important to them as PlayStation is to Sony, they aren’t as invested in staying in the market. And in spite of repeated assertions from top Microsoft personnel about the company’s intent to stay on in the market, it has been an oft repeated argument.

That’s because it is ultimately very true- Microsoft is a massive company, one of the largest in the world, and the third biggest technology company in the world. The company has a highly diversified range of products and services offerings, with everything from the dominant OS on the market, to productivity suites, communication tools, enterprise software, network and backend services, a server business, cloud offerings, and yes, game hardware and software. In almost every field that Microsoft is in, they are either the leading company, or hugely important regardless. Their business is so vast, so massive, and generally just makes so much money (Microsoft’s revenue in 2015 was $93.6 billion), that the Xbox, and all associated products and services, are just a rounding error for the company.

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"Microsoft’s business is so vast, so massive, and generally just makes so much money, that the Xbox, and all associated products and services, are just a rounding error for the company."

Now this is the part that needs to be understood- this is not a bad thing. Earlier this month, we posted reports sourced to an interview that IGN had with Microsoft alum Ed Fries, who had worked on Office, and was involved in the creation of the Xbox, and he had spoken about how, for as long as the Xbox was perceived to be a side project at Microsoft, it was allowed more to be its thing, rather than being forced to align to some overall company strategy- over time, the Xbox business grew, Windows faltered with the Vista, and Microsoft started to pay attention to what was going on with the Xbox, prompting Fries to leave. Microsoft tried to take control of the Xbox and use it as a Trojan horse in a misguided attempt to control the living room (efforts that became even more important as Microsoft found themselves beaten in the smartphone, tablet, and media devices businesses consecutively)- attempts that netted us the original Xbox One vision, something roundly rejected by customers.

Now, however, Microsoft is a revitalized company, on the back of its services offerings, and Windows is rebounding from the failure of Windows 8 with the success of Windows 10. The Xbox business, meanwhile, has suffered at the hands of the PS4 in recent years– all of which is to say that the importance of Xbox to Microsoft overall has diminished, and it has started a lot to feel like its own thing again. But rather than projecting this causing Microsoft to eventually dump the Xbox, we want to argue that it is a good thing- with Microsoft now focused on pushing cloud and web services for a platform agnostic future, the Xbox is not as important to the company’s survival. In turn, this means that the Xbox division is freer to try crazy things, freer to do things that may not necessarily be beneficial to the bottom line, but are beneficial for us, the customers, anyway- things like offering a backwards compatibility initiative on the Xbox One. Things like Xbox Anywhere, which is the most extensive Cross Buy program ever. Things like the Xbox One Scorpio, the most powerful console ever made.

Compare this to Sony- as GamesIndustry rightly points out, the PlayStation is now instrumental to the future, and therefore success, and even survival, of the company. Games, network services, television, VR, media services, software ecosystem, media formats- PlayStation is the vehicle for it all. This means that Sony cannot afford to screw it up with the PlayStation at any point- since the PlayStation is the vehicle that the future of Sony itself rests on.

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"Sony cannot afford to screw it up with the PlayStation at any point- since the PlayStation is the vehicle that the future of Sony itself rests on."

In turn, this means that Sony must always err on the side of conservatism with the PlayStation, and refrain from doing anything radical (such as Nintendo with the Wii U or Microsoft with the original Xbox One concept) that may alienate customers- if they don’t, then they could risk PlayStation being rejected by gamers, and thus weaken the foundation on which the entire company now rests. In turn, the implication here is that Sony must always stick to making the expected product- and while there is nothing wrong sometimes with just sticking with what works (the Xbox One and the Wii U is what you get when you try to stray off the beaten path one too many times), sometimes, you want something exciting that can shake things up, something truly visionary. Sony are now, by virtue of PlayStation being the keystone that the entire structural integrity of Sony itself relies on.

Xbox, meanwhile, is positively a skunkworks project for Microsoft, meaning that the Xbox team are allowed to be more daring with what they do. This is already evident- for instance, without the pressure to stick to the company’s strategy for pushing media and hardware into the living room, we aren’t given a weak, underpowered console straddled with gimmicks and a misguided media focus that drive up the cost- instead, we are given a console that promises to be the most powerful one ever made, that Microsoft may possibly be selling at a loss.

The one counter argument that I generally hear, not entirely applicable here, but one I shall address here anyway, is that if Xbox continues to lose money too much, then it won’t matter how much money the rest of Microsoft has, shareholders won’t like for Microsoft to keep supporting a product that’s a money sink. This is a facile argument at the best of times (try telling Bing that shareholders will force Microsoft to drop money losing products- sometimes, even initiatives that lose money are greenlit by companies if they have other strategic value), but it is especially irrelevant here. For auditing and fiscal purposes, there is no Xbox division- it was merged and consolidated into a larger hardware division last year, which also includes Microsoft’s Surface line of products. The hardware division is profitable overall, any potential losses made by Xbox more than covered for by the success of Surface- but the point here is, given that Microsoft don’t provide a breakdown anymore, opting instead to just give shareholders one consolidated figure for hardware, there is no way for them to make an argument that the Xbox is losing money. All they know is that the Xbox is a part of the hardware division, which does post profits.

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"All this leaves the Xbox division able to be bold, take risks, and do crazy things, things which might not necessarily make money, but things which are appreciated nonetheless."

Equally important here is that Microsoft are now no longer reporting Xbox hardware sales figures, instead focusing on Xbox Live Gold subscriptions– and while this definitely deprives us of entertaining fodder for console wars, it also provides the Xbox with yet another layer of insulating buffer. With the only metric now being shared being Xbox Live subscription and revenue numbers, there is, yet again, no way to prove that Xbox is in any way a losing proposition for Microsoft- meaning, yet again, that shareholders don’t, and can’t, get to make an argument against its continued existence- that is, if shareholders for a company as large as Microsoft even care for the Xbox, which is ultimately a rounding error for Microsoft’s overall bottom line, in the first place.

Which brings us here- the Xbox being a surprisingly well protected, well buffered, well insulated skunkworks like division within Microsoft, largely irrelevant to the company’s overall bottom line and survival, with little strategic value for the company’s future vision for itself. This leaves it surprisingly agile, swift, and maneuverable, with the cash that comes from being associated with Microsoft, but none of the accompanying bloat- it leaves the Xbox division able to be bold, take risks, and do crazy things, things which might not necessarily make money, but things which are appreciated nonetheless.

In a console market that often threatens to get overwhelmingly stale, that is exactly the kind of thing that is often greatly needed.

Note: The views expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of, and should not be attributed to, GamingBolt as an organization.


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  • Scott Humble

    This is a refreshing and well balanced article. I would like to see more like this instead of appealing to the lowest common denominator.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Sarcasm?

  • extermin8or2

    What a load of nonsense. I mean because a company that’s depending on an area never takes risks? *facepalm* Microsofts idea of ‘taking risks’ is releasing a new halo game. When does Microsoft take risks? Hardly any new first party ip’s. Granted they took abit of a risk with xbox one reveal but that wasn’t exactly consumer friendly….

    • Nerdy Woman

      You really should check out the Microsoft Research website, the place from which technologies are spawned. Rather than thinking of Xbox as a stand-alone device that can do one thing really well, consider what Microsoft is doing with HoloLens AR, language translations, AI, and more. Imagine game play that allows you to give your virtual team virtual directions and have them respond. Imagine being able to do that in any language (even Klingon).

      Innovators need to have the resources for R&D beyond what they can market this Christmas. Microsoft’s research division does a lot of stuff that is not seen in stores for years, if ever. But it does require thinking beyond content which seems to be your focus.

    • extermin8or2

      As does every tech company but ibwas talking very specifically from the perspective of a gamer (and MS repeatedly stated hololense isn’t for gaming). In terms of videogames micro tends to play it safe. Infact Microsoft generally tends to play it safe as a company overall in terms of content they produce. This article is very specifically discussing the output of xbox division and xbox r and d hence my focus in them aswell.

    • Nerdy Woman

      But your focus seems to be on the games themselves, most of which are created by 3rd parties like EA, IGN, UbiSoft and Blizzard. The risk is theirs to take, not the console maker.

      As for HoloLens, they definitely have focused on real-world industrial applications, but with the popularity of Pokémon Go, I’d be willing to bet that game devs are seeing AR as something they can build on. And having seen the video of HoloLens gaming demonstrated at the SurfaceBook announcement event, I’d also be willing to bet that at least a few of them have plunked down the $3K for a HoloLens SDK.

    • extermin8or2

      No it is down to the console maker aswell. These companies are not hardware only companies they are software obliging companies aswell. Microsoft in particular. The holo lense will likely have a very limited appeal in the gaming space because whilst some cool stuff can be done with it. The price is going ti be prohibitive to enter and I can’t really see a way it can be used to improve every game or used for every game without games specifically requiring to be made for it, at least vr in theory could be used certainly for most first person titles or to play a game in the cinema mode. Holo lense is more specialised than that and will be expensive. But as they made clear gaming was not a major focus of the device, not it’s main purpose and just an afterthought. Pokemon go is only so successful because it’s a) free to play b) has low barrier to entry – everyone has a smartphone these days that’s all you need.
      C) it’s portable and it actively encourages expertise and most importantly it’s based around a franchise already adored by millions of people worldwide. I would not count it as indicative f potential vr gaming jn the future taking off. This isn’t the first game to try something like this. It won’t be the last. It probably will be the most successful.

  • Mike Greenway

    Logically then, the executives running Microsoft, those how jobs depend on making a profit, day after day, are conspiring to cover the Xbox loses so they can continue to what? Play Halo? I don’t think so, these guys are all about making money, that what business is. We know that, when they spend billions to buy a company and it isn’t making money, they get rid of it, they sell of the building, fire the employees and right the rest down.

    • Troy Marcel

      Xbox is one of the more profitable divisions in microsoft

    • J.j. Barrington

      Outside of Xbox Live, which is nearly pure profit, it actually is not.

    • bewareofZ

      Actually, it’s was the least profitable divisions and one of the only divisions that lost money every year. Until they added some Android patents to the portfolio.

    • David

      Sure, but why assume XBox is losing money in the first place.

      Looking at this article, reads as though we don’t know how much Xbox is making or losing. All we know is it’s larger division is profitable.

    • Mike Greenway

      Xbox is making money, or it wouldn’t be around, right? we all agree,

  • Riggybro

    I understand, like Intel, MS has a huge monopoly (on OS 90%-ish) so they can afford to throw a bit of cash around but I do wonder (In my imagination) if there is a point were Xbox-Phil wanders up to the MS board with all these visions and ideas and they just throw numbers and graphs back in his face.

    I mean Phil is a great marketer to us the public but ya do wonder what goes on behind closed doors up there on MS hill…

    • JamesSB

      Has nothing to do with a monopoly. Microsoft has over $90 billion cash on hand.

    • Riggybro

      Which they acquired through harvesting of their money tree.

    • sgt_hammertime

      Microsoft has quite a few money trees

    • J.j. Barrington

      And you think that’s just at the Xbox division’s disposal?

  • Terminator

    Great article…the fanboys especially the PSDF won’t like it.

  • Michael

    Translation. Sony doesn’t have the money to do what microsoft can. Hence why scorpio destroys neo.

    • bewareofZ

      Except before PS4/XB1 was released the same could be said, but PS4 destroys XB1.
      Seems like you’ve got mixed up.

  • Mr Xrat

    More like they’re in a more likely position to take more risks because their current path was leading the brand to ruin. At least putting its games on PC means someone will buy them for once.

    • Nintengods

      Unlike PS4 where no one buys its games at all and they have to point to the paid reviews. And still Uncharted 4 can’t pass Super Mario 3D World in Metacritic score.

      At the very least, $ony and M$ are on the way to ruin. Two cancerous companies on the way out. Nintendo has it from here

    • J.j. Barrington

      lol, yes. The company who bet it all on casuals that promptly dumped the company and is now back to hardware sales of 15 years ago, the company who’s got to come out with their next-gen console FAR earlier than they wanted to, THEY’RE the ones about to take the lead?

    • Nintengods

      Revolutionised Mobile gaming in one weekend. Has a blue ocean concept. The French website that leaked the PS4 neo launch date before Amazon said it is stronger than the Neo. Will have the GOTY launching with it

      Nintendo is gaming. All you $ony defence force drones are already afraid Nintendo’s going to expose dire garbage like Horizon Zero Dawn for the trash it is.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Revolutions sure don’t mean what they used to.

      The rest of your comment is the ignorant babble I expected but hoped against.

    • Nintengods

      Ignorant babble comes from the $ony Defence Force who believe people will suddenly love their franchises like they do Nintendo franchises and who are crying and throwing feces against the wall when even something as simple as Nintendo making a mobile app completely destroys everything Sony has done all year to the point Sony development studios are posting salty FUD on their own twitters.

      Meanwhile Uncharted Bore was traded in en masse for Overwatch and the casual audience has already forgotten it while Zelda just destroyed everything Sony showed at E3 and is still the most anticipated title of 2017.

      PS4 is just the 360 rewarmed with a gimmick just like Kinect incoming this year including the fact it doesn’t work. The stories of people returning it because the low framerate and resolution cause nausea will be amusing

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/898e106bb5769db786d517833168cdada2e97a17b974d8c7f33775db2823c5dd.png

    • Tomaterrrx

      If Pokemon go is what you’re referring to then no, it didn’t revolutionize anything. That AR camera? You get that in those silly camera apps. The location based gameplay? Already done by Ingress which was a game developed by Ingress as well.

  • Nintengods

    In the end. Still doomed to failure even when $ony’s releasing another underpowered joke as an “Upgrade”. No new concepts and the public is tiring of game consoles.

    NX is the savior of gaming and Scorpio’s just an also ran. The sooner cancer like $ony and M$ leave, the better

  • Starman

    Boo fkn hoo , Sony should’ve spent their cash on BS… So STFU Sony and GTFO of the industry, your product sucks … And

  • d0x360

    You had it then you lost it. The Xbox is very important to Microsoft. Just because they have other products that make money unlike Sony and they can take more risks means exactly the opposite of what you said almost immediately. You think very short-term and in such an unbusinesslike manner its stunning…

    Taking more risks means spending more money on riskier ideas. It means the elite controller, its the reason ms has early access titles, its why they have constant feature updates in the dash its why they have more exclusives its why they now have more indie games its why they have a superior network its why they can use that network and experiment with ai in forza and physics in crackdown, its why ANY game can use Xbox live as DEDICATED servers for free and not have to keep using the cheap but laggy and unreliable p2p method that xbl used to use but Sony continues to use.

    Everything here is always so backwards. Oh and I see another weekly elder scrolls 6 article…very nice. Only 3-4 more years of those to look forward to until they actually announce the game just like you did with fallout 4….again how creative.

    • bewareofZ

      If they can use MS dedicated servers for free, why is it that hardly anybody does? You do know that most of the XB1 games use P2P right?

    • d0x360

      Most? I’d say half and the reason is likely because they are too lazy to write new netcode and they would prefer to just use the same code on both consoles. No…lazy is the wrong word. A developer always wants what’s best for their players its the publishers who pay the development money at fault here so the correct word is actually too cheap since it means rewriting how their entire mp system works which they would do for ps4 but not Xbox one due to it’s smaller install base.

      All exclusive titles use dedicated servers as do most indie ports from PC and some 3rd party titles.

    • bewareofZ

      I think you’re waaaay overestimating that.
      MS have only released 20ish 1st party games for the XB1 and indie support is only just picking up.
      If only there was a proper list 🙁

    • Skorge

      3rd party games use P2P, 1st party games ei Halo/Gears/KI all use dedicated servers as oppose to laggy P2P servers that Sony uses. Even 3rd party games like Titanfall 2 are using Azure while they’ll run on P2P servers on the PS4.

    • bewareofZ
    • Skorge

      Outdated information moron

      “Update: Respawn just said Azure and other servers will be used together.”

      Enjoy the wonderful world of laggy PSN though.

  • Doggystyle

    The title should read, “Unlike Sony, Microsoft Is Desperate”.

    • Nintengods

      $ony is pretty desperate. Worst film flops of the summer. Declining electronics. Uncharted Bore being forgotten as quickly as Battleborn. A failed VR headset before it even comes out.

      Nintendo already won the next generation without even trying. What other console will launch in 2017 with a guaranteed GOTY in Zelda BOTW? No one.

    • jp

      good games coming to PS4 m8, GOW, TLOU2, Death Stranding, but thats 2020 at least, by that time the Scorpio will be out, the PS4 is one of those consoles that you can rent for a week and play everything that is worth, but for those 15 hrs campaigns they over hype, Sony is living off media hype and a stupid fanbase with a blindfold in their eyes, oh and they do like to wait a loooot for games.

    • Nintengods

      Scorpio will have nothing
      Neo will have nothing

      The future is NX

    • Counterproductive

      Hahahahaha… I think maybe you need to put down the Virtual Boy and back away slowly.

  • J.j. Barrington

    Microsoft is in a worse position, therefore they HAVE to take risks with the Xbox brand.

  • Tga215

    Good article

    • J.j. Barrington

      lol

  • XbotMK1

    Another Xbox damage control entry from Pramath’s diary?

    “Unlike Sony, Microsoft are in a better position to take more risks with the Xbox brand” “Microsoft is a revitalized company, on the back of it’s services, and Windows is rebounding from the failure of Windows 8 with the success of Windows 10.”

    Meanwhile, back in reality, Microsoft suffered a massive drop in performance last quarter and analysts are predicting Microsoft will continue to shrink.

    PlayStation is making about 1 billion in profit each year. The Xbox division is bleeding money (price cuts, discounts, free games, wasted marketing, poor first party game sales) hence why Microsoft hides it from share holders who will axe it if they find out that Xbox is the cause of Microsoft shrinking. Xbox only exists to keep people on Windows for Microsoft’s monopolistic purposes.

    Windows Phone is being axed and Surface is basically dead, almost dead, and/or losing money.

    Windows 10 had to be given out for free just to get people to upgrade, yet it still underperformed with about 200 million installs. It isn’t anywhere near the install base of Windows 7 nor s it providing enough sustainable income. Microsoft used to make money from selling rehashes of Windows but Windows and PC have been in rapid decline over the past decade hence why they handed out Windows 10 for free and why Microsoft no longer makes sustainable income from selling Windows. The only reason Microsoft keeps Windows around is for monopolistic purposes.

    Microsoft makes the vast majority of their income from software services like lending Azure servers and from MS Office subscriptions or sales.

    Windows OS, Xbox, Windows Phone, and Surface are irrelevant or dead products that only exist for monopolistic purposes. But if share holders find out that those products are bleeding the company and causing the company to shrink by billions, those products will be axed eventually because they aren’t essential to Azure or MS Office, Microsoft’s only key products.

    “freer to do things that may not be beneficial to the bottom line, but are beneficial to us, the customers, anyway things like offering backwards compatibility. Things like Xbox Anywhere which is the most extensive cross-buy program ever.”

    Meanwhile back in reality, Microsoft didn’t add it for the customer and it was never a risk that hurt their bottom line. Backwards compatibility helps Microsoft sell Xbox 360 games that are still on shelves and they only added it because Xbox One is losing and they wanted to take a dig at PlayStation Now. When Xbox One launch Microsoft didn’t care about backwards compatibility despite people asking for it. They stated, “If you’re backwards compatibile you’re really just backwards”. They didn’t care until the PS4 destroyed them in sales.

    Meanwhile back in reality, Xbox Play Anywhere is not the most extensive cross-buy program and they didn’t add it for customers which is why PC gamers don’t get a free Xbox copy. On the contrary, Xbox Play Anywhere is nothing more than Microsoft’s desperate attempt to get PC gamers to prop up Microsoft’s weak first party game sales and to further Microsoft’s monopolistic agenda on PC with their unecessary, garbage Windows operating system that needs to die.

    Back in reality it seems like SIE are the ones trying to take risks with PlayStation Now, PlayStation Vue, PSVR, and releasing more first party exclusives. What exactly has Microsoft been doing?

    Stop damage controlling for Xbox Pramath.

    • Skorge

      The delusion is strong in this one, Sony as a whole finally had a net income of 1 billion this past fiscal year for the first time in a decade, and soon that’s going to shrink after the financial disaster that the PSVR is going to end up being. There’s a good chance that Sony will be dead and gone in the next decade and the Playstation brand will get sold off. Too many stupid moves from some of the most incompetent execs will finally put them in the grave.

      Microsoft could shrink for 100 years and Sony would still be an ant in comparison to them. You’re damage controlling for broke Sony is hilarious. Almost as hilarious as Sony having to use P2P servers for Uncharted because they couldn’t afford dedicated one’s

    • bewareofZ

      Your post was just as uninformed as Xbot’s.
      At least some of his was true.

    • Nintengods

      Nope. He’s just as much a delusional $ony defence force drone as the xbots. Sony has flop after flop in films and the forgetable Uncharted Bore which got smashed by Overwatch and Doom.

      Nintendo makes a mobile app and it revolutionises gaming socially. Announces a NES mini-console with a better line up than the PS4 that immediately sells out of pre-orders world wide on Amazon and they still have to announce the NX.

      $ony is done. M$ is done.

    • bewareofZ

      proof that Uncharted got smashed by Overwatch and Doom?
      Neither outsold Uncharted from what I can find.
      “Sony has flop after flop in films”
      http://www.movieinsider.com/c8/sony-pictures

      hahahahahaahahahahahahahaha

    • jp

      still the Xbox divison budget is bigger than PS4 and thats a fact, MS is bigger more than 20 times than Sony, believe me they dp have room for error, just look at what they are doing, if the 2013 MS flops happened to Sony the Playstation brand would be no more buddy.

    • bewareofZ

      You are unable to prove any of the things you just said.
      It was fanboy nonsense, the budgets for both divisions have NEVER been published. The rest of your comment was just uneducated guesswork.

    • Joe_HTH

      Microsoft’s market cap is roughly 450 billion give or take. Sony’s market cap is about 38 billion. Microsoft has well over 100 billion in cash, which is about three times what Sony is worth as a company.

    • bewareofZ

      proof?

    • Skorge

      http://www.cnet.com/news/overwatch-sells-7-million-copies/

      As oppose to 2.7 million physical + digital + bundles combined. How embarrassing smh

    • bewareofZ

      So, you use vgchartz for Uncharted 4 but not for Overwatch…
      FAIL.
      No actual sales figures for Uncharted 4.
      Isn’t Overwatch on 3 formats? How embarrassing smh.

    • Skorge

      lol you can use whatever source you’d like, Overwatch whooped Uncharted 4’s physical, digital, bundles combined.

      Yes Overwatch is on 3 formats. But isn’t Uncharted 4 on a 40 million install base? And still couldn’t break 3 mil on it’s first week? That’s just sad.

      But can you blame people? Why would any sane person pay $60 for a 9 hour long game with zero replay value?

    • bewareofZ

      Funny that, the multiplayer is packed every day.
      Fail again.
      You know that Uncharted 4 is the biggest selling exclusive this gen, right?
      “Why would any sane person pay $60 for a 9 hour long game with zero replay value?” – That’s why Quantum Break only sold 700k.

    • Skorge

      Uncharted 4 couldn’t break 3 million copies with physical + digital + bundles combined, Halo 5 broke 5 million back in Jan and is probably over 7 million now.

      lol yeah the multiplayer is packed with 40 people. No surprise that UC4 is a ghost town when it has the worst multiplayer this gen. Even worse than the MP of UC2/3 which were both horrendous. Playstation fanboys are staying away from this abortion multiplayer, they all ran to Overwatch LOL

      https://twitter.com/Scourge_0/status/738234778516873216

      Yikes, how embarrassing. Being a generic, tacked on, bare bones piece of crap is bad enough, but being a generic, tacked on, bare bones piece of crap with laggy P2P servers though…ouch….

      Sony will never have a good multiplayer game, their devs are simply too incompetent and don’t understnd what makes multiplayer games tick. You’re doomed to a life of playing COD and Destiny. Maybe the remaining 20-30 people on UC4 should form a clan called “The Last of Us” lol

    • Skorge

      Actually everything I stated was true hence why I provided evidence, but going through your posting history you deep throat Sony almost as much as XbotMK does. So you really have no credibility here.

    • bewareofZ

      Your knowledge of business is poor indeed, you have no idea what MS or Sony can or can’t do.
      Only a childish fanboy would want a rival company to stop, they need competition to keep pushing forward.
      Grow up.

    • Skorge

      Right, even though I showed links to back up my post.

      Seriously you are an idiot, all you keep saying is “lulz ur wrong” but you can’t back up anything you say, you provide no evidence, no links, no substance. Sony isn’t competition, they’re the equivalent of a fly on someone’s @$$ in comparison.

      Don’t post here again.

    • bewareofZ
    • Skorge

      Your first link doesn’t even work, but I’m assuming you’re talking about Sony making a profit in 2012 which was the first profit they made since 2008. Basically Sony makes a profit every 4-5 years while taking years of losses, no wonder that company is in the toilet. The PSVR is going to be a disaster that’s going to bleed this already dried up husk. They’ll be gone within a decade and the Playstation brand will be sold off.

      Your second link, we were talking about Microsoft and Sony as a whole and not just the gaming divisions. Since Sony only makes a profit every 4-5 years. Microsoft in one quarter made more than Sony will make in 12-16 years.

      That being said, Xbox One sales are down, they’re going to spike with the S model coming out. The S model will outsell the Neo, especially when the Neo is going to be more expensive and will be much weaker than the Scorpio and possibly weaker than the NX. Sony is back to PS2 levels where it had the weakest console. But now they don’t have the 3rd party exclusives they had during the PS2 days either. This is going to be a long and painful next few years for the Playstation fanboys smh

    • bewareofZ

      wow, what a delusional loser.
      You’re a fanboy muppet with neither knowledge or intelligence, I’m out of here.
      When you start basing reality on your predictions there really is no point.

    • Skorge

      “wow, what a delusional loser.”

      Talking about yourself again? I’ve gone through your posting history and you should really take Sony’s d*ck out of your mouth. You can put it back in, just don’t forget to wipe

      “When you start basing reality on your predictions there really is no point.”

      Yes reality like Sony being on the “Rise” despite making a profit once every 4 years. I guess this is what happens when you’re 14, have never worked a day in your life and have no perception of the “Real world” I’ll tell you what though. When you’re old enough to drive, you can come back here and talk again. Until then, don’t post unless I tell you to.

    • bewareofZ

      Keep going clueless, where’s your uncharted 4 sales numbers?

    • Skorge

      Amazing how you’re still talking after you’ve solidified your status as a moron. Why do I need to provide Uncharted 4 sales numbers? You’re the one who claimed it’s the highest selling game and then when I shut you down you started to damage control.

      Don’t post here again.

    • bewareofZ

      I’ll post where I like and you’ll continue to reply with your stupid nonsense.
      You were the first to mention UC4 being dead online, despite me actually owning it and knowing exactly how many people were still playing it.
      Then you claimed Sony hadn’t made any profit for 10 years, which again I proved wrong.
      Seems like the only moron here is you, your agenda is clear.
      Don’t post here again.
      This is what happens when you try to talk with adults, little one.

    • Skorge

      I first mentioned UC4 being dead online, which is absolutely true. Go to any top played PSN games and Uncharted 4 won’t be on any list. You don’t know how many people are on it because that information isn’t readily available. What is available though, the queue times on Uncharted 4, taking over 4 minutes to find a match and the fact that UC4 is no where to be seen on any top played PSN list.

      Is it a surprise? Not if you have an IQ over 80. When you have a bare bones, tacked on, mediocre garbage multiplayer component, it’s bound to become a ghost town which is exactly what happened to UC4.

      Then I claimed Sony hasn’t made any profit in 10 years, yeah I guess technically you did show that Sony did make a mild profit in 2012. So basically we went from Sony not making any profit in 10 years vs Sony making profit twice in the past 10 years. Congratulations, I guess you earned a technicality even though it just makes Sony look even more incompetent when their mild gains are offset by over a hundred billion dollars in loss.

      But lets go deeper into the treasure trove known as your stupidity. You said that Sony is on the “rise” which, so far, is false. Sony tried so hard to restructure, and now all of their work is going to go down the toilet when the PSVR flops into oblivion.

      You said Microsoft is on the “Decline” sure, I guess 16.8 billion profit is “declining”

      You also brought up Uncharted 4 and it’s sales compared to Overwatch, and as soon as I brought up Overwatch outselling Uncharted’s physical + digital + bundles combined, you changed the subject

      So far, 1/5, you’re batting a 20% average, and in case you can’t do math (which I believe is very much the case here) that’s horrible, an F, a failure, but I’m sure you here that from mom and dad on a routine basis so I don’t have to constantly remind you.

    • Skorge

      I first mentioned UC4 being dead online, which is absolutely true. I own it also, that’s how I know how horrible it is

      https://twitter.com/Scourge_0/status/738234778516873216

      Go to any top played PSN games and Uncharted 4 won’t be on any list. You don’t know how many people are on it because that information isn’t readily available. What is available though, the queue times on Uncharted 4, taking over 4 minutes to find a match and the fact that UC4 is no where to be seen on any top played PSN list.
      Is it a surprise? Not if you have an IQ over 80. When you have a bare bones, tacked on, mediocre garbage multiplayer component, it’s bound to become a ghost town which is exactly what happened to UC4.

      Then I claimed Sony hasn’t made any profit in 10 years, yeah I guess technically you did show that Sony did make a mild profit in 2012. So basically we went from Sony not making any profit in 10 years vs Sony making profit twice in the past 10 years. Congratulations, I guess you earned a technicality even though it just makes Sony look even more incompetent when their mild gains are offset by over a hundred billion dollars in loss.

      But lets go deeper into the treasure trove known as your stupidity. You said that Sony is on the “rise” which, so far, is false. Sony tried so hard to restructure, and now all of their work is going to go down the toilet when the PSVR flops into oblivion.
      You said Microsoft is on the “Decline” sure, I guess 16.8 billion profit is “declining”

      You also brought up Uncharted 4 and it’s sales compared to Overwatch, and as soon as I brought up Overwatch outselling Uncharted’s physical + digital + bundles combined, you changed the subject

      So far, 1/5, you’re batting a 20% average, and in case you can’t do math (which I believe is very much the case here) that’s horrible, an F, a failure, but I’m sure you here that from mom and dad on a routine basis so I don’t have to constantly remind you.

    • bewareofZ

      You failed to prove that Uncharted 4 had lower sales than Overwatch – 2/5
      You failed to show that UC4 was ghost town online 3/5
      I said that Xbox was in decline not MS – 4/5

      You can’t see the future, however by your own admission, Sony is on the up whether or not PSVR fails or not. – 5/5
      Go join the rest of the other xbox fanboys, damage controlling is a skill you have yet to learn.

    • Skorge

      1. 7 million >>>> 2.7 million 1st grade math, learn it
      2. No where to be seen on any PSN list, 4-5 minute queue times, 2+2 = dead game, no surprise
      3. https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames

      So tell, what’s at no 12? Oh yeah, Xbox One S.

      I can’t see the future, but, being an intelligent individual I can make an thorough analysis and assumption based on a few things. Such PSVR causing people to yak, being expensive, being low quality PS2/Early PS3 level of visual fidelity, and requiring the Neo to get the most out of it.

      I suppose damage controlling is something you excel at, since judging by your posting history you’re doing it on nearly a daily basis.

    • bewareofZ

      1. link for total sales, or meaningless.
      2. again, no link, no proof.
      3. I think you need this list https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2016/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar the one you copied is the best selling list of the last hour. Not that intelligent are you?
      Start coming up with some hard facts instead of speculation, you toxic loser.

    • Skorge

      1. http://www.pcgamesn.com/overwatch/overwatch-sales-numbers

      2. The proof is having a brain and not being delusional, but you don’t qualify for either of these. Common sense is your friend. 4-5+ minute queue times = dead game. Deal with it, that’s what happens when you have one of the worst MP components of the gen.

      3. Your link is for the entire year you idiot. The S has been consistently on that list for the past month now. It’s also the most pre-ordered item at Gamestop

      http://www.gamepur.com/news/23728-xbox-one-s-most-pre-ordered-product-gamestop.html

      Face it, the S is going to sell well and there’s nothing you can do about it. PS4 on the other hand is going to stagnate now. Between the Neo and the PSVR, PS4 won’t win another NPD this year after July.

      Stop being delusional you toxic moron.

    • bewareofZ

      1. doesn’t have total UC4 sales as comparison.
      “No exact numbers are given publically, but we do know that, for example,
      the PS4 version on its own out-sold everything else this week, while
      Xbox One copies sold less than Uncharted 4’s third week in the charts.
      Meanwhile PC is down in fifth. ”
      2. 4 minutes doesn’t mean there’s no one playing, it just means the matchmaking needs patching. It’s usually less than one minute for me although it has been 3 minutes on occasion.
      3. My link was for the entire year, your link was for the last hour. Idiot.
      I bet that the s will win August, but no more for the rest of the year.

      Try to come up with a different sign off, instead of copying mine.

    • Skorge

      1. Lol talk about damage control, we already know UC4’s total sales were 2.7 million physical + digital + bundles combined last time they were reported. So what, did Uncharted 4 jump up 7 million sales? No, because if it did Sony would be shouting about it, they haven’t reported any sales numbers since then because they know sales were underwhelming.

      https://www.vg247.com/2016/07/22/overwatch-best-selling-without-pc-sales-npd-june/

      Best selling game of June on consoles alone, meanwhile poor Uncharted 4 got bumped down to number 6, no wonder Sony is too embarrassed to talk about the sales of the game D:

      2. Again, the game isn’t on any most popular or most played list for PSN, The matchmaking times were much faster the first 2 weeks before 95% of the player base tucked tail and ran to Overwatch, who can blame them though? No one is interested in a generic, tacked on, bare bones, uninspiring turd of a multiplayer that does nothing unique or original and takes zero skill to play. No wonder Naughty Dog’s post launch DLC is a joke, they know there’s no one playing this abortion still

      3. You’re link was for the entire year, that includes months where the S model wasn’t even announced. No sh*t the PS4 was outselling the Xbox One throughout the first half of the year. That’s a pointless comparison. The only thing that matters now is the S model vs the PS4 and so far this month the S model has been beating the PS4 , and will win every NPD for the rest of this year.

      Not really copying your sign off, more like making fun of it, you’re more toxic than anyone else here tbh, your fanbase was voted worst fanbase by the IGN forums, how embarrassing lol

    • bewareofZ

      It still sold better than every Xbox One game, including Halo 5.
      2.7 Million was after one week.
      I’m really bored of you now.
      You’re clueless.

    • Skorge

      Halo 5 sold 5 million in it’s first 3 months, it’s probably over 7 right now.

      5 million>>>2.7 million

      Math, learn it. And that’s on half the install base, no wonder Sony hasn’t brought up UC4’s sales since then, they’re fking embarrassed.

      You’re really bored of getting thrashed now, you’re clueless. Somewhere between Overwatch beating Uncharted’s @**, Uncharted flopping, and having an online which isn’t even up to 2005 standards, I think you’ve finally snapped. It was only a matter of time.

    • Joe_HTH

      Sony did go about a decade without making any profit. That’s not even up for debate, and the first time they did make a profit, they only made it by selling off assets. It won’t be long until they sell off their TV division.

    • bewareofZ

      Proof?

    • Joe_HTH

      The discussion was about Microsoft and Sony as a whole, not just the gaming division. Microsoft could ditch Xbox tomorrow and not lose a beat. If Sony lost PlayStation, they would he effectively dead as a company. Microsoft is a giant and has about 4-5 times as much cash as Sony is even worth as a company.

    • bewareofZ

      proof?

    • Joe_HTH

      A fanboy calling someone else a fanboy.

    • Joe_HTH

      Nothing in his post was true. He spouting nothing but lies and BS.

    • Nintengods

      Sony is still bleeding money releasing the most disasterous movie blockbluster of the year and under performing PS4 exclusives while ripping off their own consumers. Playstation’s nowhere near bringing in billions and the entire company is on life support.

      People are sick and tired of Sony backpedaling with empty promises and games being announced with no release dates. That’s why they are going back to Nintendo as Nintendo has games and Nintendo has release dates.

      $ony defence force tears will be glorious when NX is revealed and Nintendo leads the market again. You lying drones will be hilarious to watch as the Underpowered Neo and gimmick PSVR sink like a stone.

    • Counterproductive

      Seriously, you need to take a step back and give your head a shake.

    • jp

      stop being so blind, MS and Sony are not even comparable, Sony is worth 17 billion as a whole, electronics, films, music, etc, MS is 460 billion worth, do you seriously think Sony is in a better position for anything whatsoever? you are sooo lost friend, not even the PS4 budget is comparable to the X1, hence were are getting to choose from three different consoles and specs, I prefer choice not like SOny shoving that VR and those hardware gimmicks, its just lame.

    • Fay_Z

      i see your name on every xbox post, you are such a loser i actually feel sorry for you, are you sonys little b*tch?

    • Joe_HTH

      Where is this massive drop you’re referring too you idiot? They didn’t suffer a drop at all.

      “Surface is basically dead, almost dead, and/or losing money.”

      This shows how clueless you are. Surface is not only very successful, it is also profitable and growing. Do you think you can

      “Windows 10 had to be given out for free just to get people to upgrade, yet it still underperformed with about 200 million installs. It isn’t anywhere near the install base of Windows 7 nor s it providing enough sustainable income.”

      More BS from the ignorant swine. Windows 10 is at 350+ million installs and is the fast growing Windows in history you idiot.
      Do you think you can just spout lies and you will be taken seriously? You’re an idiot.

    • stillwaitingforgreatness

      And m$ still making consoles. Lmfao.

  • DarthDiggler

    Unlike Sony, Microsoft Are In A Better Position To Take More Risks With The Xbox Brand

    Yeah like making it irrelevant by releasing all your games on PC at the same time as you console.

    Just having the flexibility to take risks isn’t in an of itself a good thing. I guarantee you MS would trade sales numbers with Sony ANY DAY. Any suggestion of the contrary is just hog wash.

    • Skorge

      They would trade sales numbers, who wouldn’t? That being said they’d rather sell their software than their hardware if it came down to how much profit they’ll make.

    • DarthDiggler

      @disqus_wHsWFDGXnD:disqus

      they’d rather sell their software than their hardware if it came down to how much profit they’ll make.

      Yea but the more consoles sold the more software units you can sell. IMHO the “hey we will release everything on PC at the same time” telegraphs to some people that MS really doesn’t care about the Xbox Brand.

    • Skorge

      I don’t know how anyone can say that MS doesn’t care about Xbox when they’re releasing an S model and the Scorpio. Anyone who thinks that is a special kind of stupid.

  • crizz1066

    LOL M$ don’t take risks, they just look to see whats popular and then try and make a cheap copy to get into market place.


 

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