John Carmack: It Doesn’t Look Like Microsoft and Sony Will Embrace AMD Mantle For PS4 And Xbox One

John Carmack on Mantle support in next gen consoles.

Posted By | On 11th, Nov. 2013 Under News


At the Nvidia G-Sync launch event, John Carmack spoke about AMD’s low level API, Mantle. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’d know that Mantle is an application programming interface that will reduce CPU overhead by calling up to 9 times more draw cells when compared to other APIs like Direct3D and OpenGL. On top of that, Mantle will also allow direct access to the GPU and give developers more control over the hardware.

However Carmack does not believe that Sony and Microsoft will be using the API for their respective next gen systems.

“If Microsoft and Sony both embraced it that would be very, very powerful for AMD but it doesn’t look like they are going to, at least Microsoft from the words that they’re mouthing. I mean if I was still doing all of the major technology coding for next-gen game stuff I probably would not be embracing Mantle right now but there would be days when it would be extremely tempting, but I would dispassionately step back and look at it… I probably wouldn’t come down on the side saying it’s worth the effort there. Obviously others have come to different conclusions,” Carmack said at the event [transcribed by EuroGamer]

Given that both consoles have x86 architecture with an AMD CPU and GPU, patching them to support Mantle might not be a difficult task. But is it going to be worth the effort? This is a question that is yet to be answered. Many next generation PC games like Thief and Star Citizen will be utilizing AMD Mantle API for programming, and Battlefield 4 will be receiving a patch next month for it. So the support for this new API is definitely rising. Whether Sony and Microsoft should look into adding support, if they want to keep the consoles abreast of the latest optimization methods, remains to be seen.

Do you think that down the line Sony and Microsoft should support AMD Mantle? Let us know your thoughts in the comments section below.

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  • cubs223425

    Microsoft shoudl be all over this, if it’s supposed to do a lot to improve GPU performance. If they did it and Sony didn’t maybe they’d get closer to Sony’s GPU performance.

  • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

    Pretty sure AMD already established that it’s a no go.

  • Trim Dose

    Oh Carmak just shut the hell up, your credibility is none existent, go out and play with your god damn mega textures ughh…

    • ThEGr33k

      I’m sure the last thing I read about Carmack was him wanting low level APi’s for PC GPU’s to get maximum performance from them… So now AMD are trying to implement what he wanted it is now too much effort? Hmmmm. Don’t much like a hypocrite!

  • Kyle Jackson

    I am so ready to hear more about Mantle, as if it really is going to do what they say, then I need a new card soon, might hop back over to the red team again.

  • Raptgamers United

    They should if they want to stay up to date a little longer with the graphic capabilities of their respective systems.

  • Steven Solidarios

    its already been stated that that these soon to be released consoles are being held back by software. As the years pass, who’s to say Microsoft and Sony don’t just update the system and release more horsepower?

  • Bruce Freedancer Foley

    If Mantel (or some sort of console based variation) offers the sort of performance efficiency gains that is being promoted for PC’s then I imagine that at “some point” in the consoles lifecycle it will happen. It would be an obvious way to extract better performance out of existing hardware. I mean, existing hardware can get smaller; more power efficient, run cooler, be cheaper to manufacture etc (as we have seen with the Xbox 360 and PS3) but what it can’t do is become more powerful, the specs at launch are set in stone for the lifecycle of that generation -but the software, including the O/S and even the firmware, that can be optimised right up until the end. As long as Mantel does not break older titles that do not use it, the door will remain open.

  • Sanjay Saini

    Carmack is pretty much an Nvidia guy everyone know this

  • HenkAnders

    Its like the egg and the chicken, isn’t it John ? Lets turn things around! When dev’s like you and many others embrace MAntle and start coding for it, how long will it take for Nvidia and/or others to scratch their head and think…hmm.. maybe we should jump om that bandwagon. If AMD can’t convince them, surely the devs/coders can.


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